[04:42] <ipv6hermit> hey guys, I lost all my windows title bar and window controls
[04:43] <number9> So after a hard restart I am unable to login from the splash screen or gdm. I can login from a vterm, or in a recovery session. I made a new user and can login under that name. I tried changing my splash to text and then running sudo service gdm start, and again could login for newuser but not myuser
[04:43] <ipv6hermit> I'm using 11.04
[04:45] <number9> ipv6hermit: How did you manage that? I would like to know so I could make that happen for me.
[04:46] <ipv6hermit> I can't find information on this for xubuntu
[04:46] <ipv6hermit> only for ubuntu
[04:47] <ipv6hermit> it has to do with the window manager but I don't know too much about xfce
[04:54] <Rodensky> using zubuntu 10.04
[04:54] <Rodensky> suddenly skype sttoped working
[04:54] <Rodensky> it shuts down seconds after i try to open it
[04:54] <KM0201> Rodensky: cuz microsoft bought it
[04:55] <KM0201> Rodensky: what have you done recently?
[04:55] <KM0201> anything
[04:55] <Rodensky> nothing actually
[04:55] <Rodensky> i havn't installed or uninstalled anything
[04:55] <KM0201> do you possibly have a zombie'd skype running?
[04:55] <Rodensky> nope
[04:55] <KM0201> ok
[04:55] <Rodensky> and i also tried rebooting first to make sure
[04:55] <KM0201> well, start it in terminal, and see what error you get
[04:56] <Rodensky> ok a sec
[04:56] <Rodensky> $ skype
[04:56] <Rodensky> Aborted
[04:56] <Rodensky> thats it
[04:56] <KM0201> hmm, sounds like a microsoft error message
[04:56] <KM0201> lol
[04:56] <Rodensky> nothing else shows :\
[04:57] <KM0201> i dunno
[04:57] <KM0201> maybe reinstall?
[04:57] <Rodensky> also didn't work
[04:57] <KM0201> maybe you pulled in an upgrade on it, and didn't realize it.
[04:57] <Rodensky> i installed xubuntu 10.04 as a fresh install after formatting
[04:58] <KM0201> what version do you have instaled.. ?   skype --ver
[04:58] <Rodensky> and skype worked untill a few days ago
[04:58] <Rodensky> Skype 2.2.0.25
[04:58] <KM0201> same version i have...
[04:58] <KM0201> how did you install it?  a repo, or the .deb from skype.com,
[04:58] <KM0201> or some other way
[04:59] <Rodensky> repo
[05:00] <Rodensky> i guess it's time to finely replace it with an open source software :)
[05:01] <KM0201> Rodensky: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2963273.html
[05:01] <KM0201> saw a forum post where that's worked for several w/ your problem
[05:02] <KM0201> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750321&page=2
[05:02] <KM0201> post #11 on..
[05:02] <Rodensky> hey
[05:02] <Rodensky> it did someting!
[05:02] <Rodensky> wait! :)
[05:02] <Rodensky> yey
[05:02] <Rodensky> it worked!
[05:02] <KM0201> my google-foo prevails again
[05:03] <Rodensky> usualy i google my problems
[05:03] <Rodensky> this time i didn't know whay to look for
[05:03] <KM0201> lol
[05:03] <Rodensky> what did you write in google?
[05:03] <KM0201> skype ubuntu 10.04 aborted
[05:03] <KM0201> 3rd link marked "solved"
[05:04] <Rodensky> btw after reading that link i realized that the bug was published in the main stream media in my country, but no one described what the bug was
[05:06] <grumpywolfe> well I now know why my mic does not work with google gphone it is on the 0,2 of the alsa subsystme and the google plugin will not config for that
[05:07] <Rodensky> KM0201, THANKS!! :)
[05:07] <KM0201> Rodensky: don't thank me, thank google.. the geniuses are now doing the toran rah
[05:09] <Rodensky> google worth nothing if you don't know how to use it. i had the same access to google as you did, only you knew what to look for and you did it for me and it solved my problem, so i thank you very much :)
[05:10] <KM0201> np
[05:13] <ipv6hermit> hey guys, I'm locked out of xfce
[05:13] <CrustyBarnacle> Anyone having trouble starting an xfce session?
[05:14] <ipv6hermit> I never had issues like these on xubuntu 9.10
[05:14] <ipv6hermit> I'm disliking 11.04 a lot now
[05:14] <Rodensky> i was once locked and it took me a few hours to try shift+alt to replace the language :P
[05:15] <CrustyBarnacle> ipv6hermit: I've seen a couple others having this issue. XFCE works for me on Ubuntu 11.04.
[05:15] <CrustyBarnacle> ipv6hermit: Did you try the suggested: "apt-get --reinstall install xubuntu-desktop"
[05:15] <ipv6hermit> now I will try it now
[05:16] <ipv6hermit> s/now/no/g
[05:16] <ipv6hermit> I was prob rebooting when that was suggested to me
[05:16] <ipv6hermit> thanks guys
[05:17] <Rodensky> have a nice say people!
[06:46] <ipv6hermit> hello everyone,  I have an issue with xubuntu 11.04, I cannot initiate a xfce session.  is there a xfce log file I can look at to see what's going on?  I don't know much about xfce
[06:49] <Sysi> did it work before, did you change something before it stopped working or it just stopped working?
[06:50] <ipv6hermit> it sort of just stopped working
[06:51] <Sysi> you could try login to virtual console (ctrl alt F6) and rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority (ctrl alt F7 or F8 to go back to gui)
[06:53] <ipv6hermit> Sysi: I don't have that file
[06:53] <Sysi> something like that? try writing .IC and pressing tab
[06:54] <ipv6hermit> Sysi: I have it, I just delted it
[06:54] <ipv6hermit> I'm using a terminal now with IRSSI
[06:55] <ipv6hermit> with screen
[07:01] <ipv6hermit> Sysi: I'm able to log into xfce now, but the original issue persists, all the windows I open do not have a title bar or a close and minimize button
[07:02] <ipv6hermit> this was the issue at first, then I tried the xfce-session friends
[09:52] <shockrates> hola
[09:52] <shockrates> can someone upload the last version of kmess at ubuntu? (this one has network connection loss bug)
[09:53] <knome> you might want to ask #kubuntu-devel, but i'm not sure if they will do that either. but you can always ask
[14:04] <metbsd> how is xubuntu?
[14:05] <metbsd> im downloading its live desktop now, will install later
[14:06] <plantoschka> 11.4 is great
[14:06] <metbsd> just hope to socialize a bit here, so i can get better help when i install later
[14:06] <metbsd> how better is 11.4 to 104
[14:08] <plantoschka> xfce 4.8 is great, the new greybird xubuntu theme is great
[14:11] <linsux> can i install xubuntu theme in fedora?
[14:14] <plantoschka> http://shimmerproject.org/projects/greybird/
[14:22] <knome> linsux, greybird is gtk+xfwm, so as long as you use xfce in fedora (and have a new enough murrine), everything should work okay
[15:20] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 5 hours (19:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[16:06] <SyGeek> Xubuntu 11.04's GUI now feels as bloated as Ubuntu's GUI
[16:06] <SyGeek> I finally had to install Xfce and other stuff from scratch on ubuntu server
[16:06] <charlie-tca> isn't choice great!
[16:06] <charlie-tca> um, you do know server is not really made for gui's, right?
[16:07] <SyGeek> yes..
[16:08] <SyGeek> But that's the only choice i had while at the same time being a part of Ubuntu
[16:08] <knome> what's wrong with the 11.04 gui?
[16:09] <SyGeek> It is bloated and has eliminates the efficiency of use in my crapware..
[16:09] <SyGeek> The GUI runs like a turtle
[16:09] <knome> bloated in which way?
[16:09] <drc> And if I remember the old fable, the turtle won the race.
[16:09] <SyGeek> Bloated in GUI sense, eliminating the efficiency of speed (in old hardwares).
[16:10] <SyGeek> no offense guys, just sharing a opinion
[16:11] <SyGeek> *an
[16:11] <knome> SyGeek, well, bloat might not be the right word, as in xfce there is not "useless" stuff, but the accessibility is better and there are some new core features
[16:13] <drc> SyGeek: Reading between the lines (Web sites, reviews, blogs), it looks (to me) like Xubuntu (at least) is taking the middle ground between the "bloated" GNOME/KDE and the newer really lightweight DE's (Lubuntu, puppy, etc). For me, that is a Good Thing (tm).
[16:15] <drc> And one thing I like atout Xubuntu/XFCE is that when I uninstall a default app (say Thunderbird), I don't have to worry about it being tied into the core DE (say, Elvolution)
[16:15] <SyGeek> I know, the new features are really worth using but now that Xubuntu has become practically slow to a point that I can call it unusable (on my hardware). It no longer satisfies my hardware. I tried limiting it's GUI but countless tries and no success lead me to leaving it
[16:17] <drc> Having older hardware really does make a big difference.
[16:17] <SyGeek> The only reason I went for Xubuntu in the first place was because of it's ease of use and fast UI
[16:18] <drc> SyGeek: Maybe a minimal install + xfce (not xubuntu-desktop)?
[16:18] <knome> SyGeek, what is your hardware then?
[16:21] <SyGeek> drc: Ubuntu server + xfce served the exact same purpose now
[16:21] <SyGeek> knome: http://pastebin.com/EgeFiErg
[16:32] <Sysi> with that ram lxde could be more enjoyable
[18:14] <mbn_18> Hi, where can I add language to xubuntu live image.
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Add a language that is not there yet?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> that would be a bug. You can file it using ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[18:16] <mbn_18> I want to write in a diffrent language aditional to english.
[18:16] <charlie-tca> When you start the live cd, you should get a whole list of languages that you can pick from
[18:16] <Sysi> live images only have complete support for english, but there should be at least some support for other languages, and all keyboard layout
[18:17] <mbn_18> Where do I add a keyboard layout?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Before you even start, there should be a language menu
[18:17] <charlie-tca> during the installation, you are asked for keyboard layout
[18:17] <Sysi> every layout available should be there by default, what one are you looking for?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> um, maybe start with the download, and run the live cd?
[18:18] <mbn_18> Will it change the interface language? I prefer  it will stay english
[18:19] <mbn_18> Sysi, hebrew
[18:19] <charlie-tca> The very first screen asks you to select your language, you can pick english there. Then during the installation, you again will pick a language to have the finished installation run in
[18:19] <mbn_18> I want the interface to be in English and to be able to write in both languages
[18:19] <charlie-tca> hebrew is already on the cd
[18:21] <mbn_18> I run the OS from the flash. I cant install it.
[18:21] <mbn_18> Whatever I do I dont see the language switcher
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Try doing an installation with the alternate image then. It usually has more options
[18:23] <Sysi> you can change layout from settings -> keyboard and get quick swap with xkb panel plugin that is know to be somewhat buggy
[18:27] <mbn_18> under setting I have -> Keyboard input method
[18:27] <Sysi> not that one
[18:28] <Sysi> there should be just generic keyboard settings with layout-tab
[18:28] <charlie-tca> What version of Xubuntu?
[18:28] <mbn_18> 11.04
[18:28] <charlie-tca> menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard
[18:29] <mbn_18> Also have input method switcher
[18:40] <zylinder> Hiyq
[18:40] <zylinder> Hiya*
[18:41] <Soupermanito> !hi zylinder
[18:42] <Soupermanito> !hi | zylinder
[18:42] <mbn_18> SYSI NOW TIS STUCK ON HEBREW ( SORRY ONLY CAPS WORK ), SHOULD I USE IBUS OR OTHER SWITCHER?
[18:59] <robert> Hello, i'm new to xubuntu...I cannot connect to internet. In gnome I usually used network manager applet, but in x it isn't working.
[19:01] <robert> Tried xfapplet, but without a result
[19:03] <Soupermanito> mmm
[19:03] <charlie-tca> What do you mean, it's not working? It is exactly the same network manager as Ubuntu
[19:04] <Soupermanito> robert, try nm-connection-editor
[19:04] <robert> nm-applet it is, it appear for few seconds after log in and dissapear
[19:05] <robert> like bluetooth apllet too
[19:06] <robert> @Soupermanito, it's the conn editor, I cant connect with it.
[19:07] <Soupermanito> robert, does your modem autoconnects to the internet? or you have to connect manually, adding your password and such on the machine?
[19:09] <robert> it's mobile broadband by bluetooth, I have to click 'connect' and type password to unlock pass database. With a cable it autoconnects.
[19:09] <Soupermanito> oh ok
[19:10] <robert> Maybe change settings to autoconn somehow?
[19:10] <Soupermanito> :( have never seen a bluethoot network thing robert
[19:10] <robert> By cable it's simple, but how to do it with bt ?
[19:11] <Soupermanito> try runing nm-connection-editor
[19:11] <Soupermanito> can you lsusb and give us the dump on a pastebin?
[19:11] <Soupermanito> !pastebin
[19:11] <robert> ok, i'll try
[19:13] <robert> http://pastebin.com/BwBT3dfG here
[19:16] <Soupermanito> robert: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=814551
[19:20] <robert> Hm, I'll try, but this connection works (I'm using it right now but on gnome), when I switch to xfce I dont know how to activate it - network manager applet dissapear I sayed it above
[19:21] <Soupermanito> yes robert but writing nm-connection-editor will launch it anyway
[19:22] <robert> Wait...I can set autoconn it that file maybe
[19:22] <Soupermanito> no idea
[19:22] <robert> Ok, i'll try and then I'll return
[19:23] <Soupermanito> good luck
[19:34] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 25 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[20:16] <zylinder> could anyone explain to me (beginner :)) what exactly the busybox is and what it does?
[20:17] <zylinder> because I had to install xubuntu 4 or 5 times now
[20:18] <zylinder> because I would send me straight to the busybox after a few (sometimes 1, other times around 20) restarts
[20:18] <zylinder> it*
[20:18] <zylinder> unfortunately I can't really say what is causing it
[20:19] <charlie-tca> !busybox
[20:19] <charlie-tca> !info busybox
[20:21] <charlie-tca> basically means the startup failed for some reason
[20:23] <zylinder> mh
[20:23] <zylinder> thanks, but that doesn't really help me :)
[20:23] <charlie-tca> I know. We are in a meeting right now. Can you wait a few minutes?
[20:23] <zylinder> as it is more or less random, could it be that my harddrive has some kind of defect?
[20:23] <zylinder> sure
[20:28] <DarkEra> still trying to figure out how to rip cd's in Xubuntu 11.04.
[20:28] <charlie-tca> I use cdripper
[20:31] <DarkEra> I will have a look at it. Thanks charlie-tca
[20:32] <charlie-tca> seems like the easiest thing for me
[20:35] <jarnos> just curious, why gmusicbrowser replaced exaile?
[20:36] <charlie-tca> better support from upstream
[20:37] <Sysi> lighter too
[20:47] <jarnos> Sysi, do you mean binary size? At least adding folders to library is heavier operation than by exaile.
[20:47] <Sysi> i think it uses less ram, but i haven't really used either of those
[20:57] <rob2> Hi, it's me again. The nm-applet still doesn't want to appear, even when it appear (couple of times delete & add notification area) it doesn't show available connections. I am stuck to gnome :(
[21:03] <zylinder> charlie-tca: hi again, any chance your meeting is over by now?
[21:03] <zylinder> :)
[21:03] <charlie-tca> getting there
[21:04] <zylinder> groovy
[21:18] <DarkEra> O.k. i'm convinced, on the netbook Xubuntu is running great. I'm thinking about to switch to it too on the laptop. But.... what to take, 32 or 64Bit? It has a Core 2 Duo T5550 1.83Ghz processor and 3GB of RAM
[21:19] <zylinder> I'd opt for 32 bit, but I'm a beginner :)
[21:19] <Sysi> you wont really gain anything from 64b with that
[21:20] <charlie-tca> 32bit should be fine
[21:20] <charlie-tca> zylinder: it won't hit busybox everytime?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> That makes it much more difficult. What file system did you use to partition it?
[21:21] <DarkEra> Thank you all :)
[21:21] <DarkEra> i'm off to burn a cd
[21:22] <charlie-tca> zylinder: is it ext4?
[21:22]  * charlie-tca thinks that should be the default file system now
[21:23] <zylinder> charlie-tca, no it doesnt
[21:24] <zylinder> charlie-tca, at some point (seems random) it'll boot GRUB
[21:24] <zylinder> and then, regardless of what I choose, it will load the busybox
[21:24] <zylinder> every time
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I would suggest booting to recovery menu, and running fsck from there.
[21:25] <zylinder> only reinstalling help (ed me so far)
[21:25] <zylinder> but even in recovery mode it loads the busybox
[21:25] <charlie-tca> If it boots to the grub, look at what the default highlighted?
[21:25] <charlie-tca> busybox is normal for recovery load, sometimes.
[21:25] <zylinder> the highlighted one is xubuntu (linux x.xxx etc)
[21:25] <zylinder> mh
[21:26] <zylinder> so busybox knows fsck?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Since it is not loading all the stuff, it will go there
[21:26] <charlie-tca> no, there should be a recovery menu you can use
[21:26] <zylinder> mh when does that come up thouhg? normally?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> normally
[21:27] <zylinder> do I have to edit the boot parameters or something to get there?
[21:27] <zylinder> hm
[21:27] <charlie-tca> If it doesn't, you will need to boot to a live cd desktop and run fsck from there
[21:27] <zylinder> meh, unfortunately I have very limited resources, as I just moved
[21:27] <charlie-tca> you shouldn't need any parameters. It should be a grub menu entry, and boot right to a menu
[21:28] <charlie-tca> check the hard drive cable, if you are okay opening the case. Maybe it came loose?
[21:28] <zylinder> it's a notebook and I checked the connection
[21:28] <zylinder> everything seems fine to me
[21:28] <charlie-tca> yeah, that's a different creature than a box
[21:29] <zylinder> is there a way to check the drive via fsck while Xubuntu is up and running?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> still, can run the live desktop either from cd or usb
[21:29] <charlie-tca> no, because it can't check a mounted partition
[21:30] <zylinder> okay, so I have to get my hands on a live cd somehow.
[21:30] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:30] <zylinder> what would fsck tell me though?
[21:30] <charlie-tca> if there is anything wrong with the drive
[21:30] <charlie-tca> It could have bad sectors or a file messed up on it
[21:31]  * charlie-tca doesn't sound very technical
[21:31] <zylinder> okay
[21:32] <zylinder> how random is "stuff" written on a hard drive?
[21:32] <zylinder> I mean, if a system rashes randomly it is likely that it is the RAM (hence the name), correct?
[21:32] <zylinder> crashes*
[21:33] <charlie-tca> mostly, in Linux, it isn't. It is pretty much in sequence
[21:33] <charlie-tca> ram is memory
[21:33] <zylinder> yes, I know, but the memory is used randomly isn't it?
[21:33] <charlie-tca> hard drive is different, it is the thing where data is stored
[21:34] <charlie-tca> yes, but memory erases every time you restart
[21:34] <zylinder> that's what I mean
[21:34] <charlie-tca> There is also a memory checker in grub and on the cd
[21:34] <charlie-tca> you could run the memory check, but it takes a few hours to run
[21:34] <zylinder> so a bad sector on the hard drive could be identified by, its getting technical again, loading studd on the disk, right?
[21:34] <charlie-tca> it will tell you if it finds something
[21:34] <zylinder> stuff*
[21:35] <charlie-tca> a bad sector would be a spot on the hard drive that is unreliable.
[21:35] <charlie-tca> If it gets used, you would have intermittent file system errors, which is dropping to busybox.
[21:35] <zylinder> but, in theory, if there is an unreliable sector on my hard drive, shouldn't the system be fine as long as the important files are saved on a "good" sector?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> If ram goes bad (memory), usually you will have trouble during bios checks or while actually using the system.
[21:36] <charlie-tca> There is no way to know which file got on the bad spot. If it went bad after you installed, or is very intermittent, then a critical file could be on that spot, and fsck will tell you that.
[21:37] <zylinder> okay, okay, fsck it is :)
[21:37] <zylinder> just trying to get around that somehow
[21:37] <charlie-tca> The memory issue usually shows up after the desktop comes up, when you are trying to do something and it freezes everything.
[21:37] <zylinder> as it would mean formatting my backup usb stick and everything :(
[21:37] <charlie-tca> got a cd drive?
[21:37] <zylinder> yop
[21:38] <charlie-tca> burn a cd-r instead
[21:38] <zylinder> okay, I have to get my hands on one of those first :)
[21:38] <charlie-tca> But try that recovery menu first. Maybe if you pick it, it will let you go to the menu
[21:39] <zylinder> If I remember correctly and understand the boot sequence correctly, I should be able to bring up GRUB during every boot, right?
[21:39] <zylinder> maybe the recovery ption will work fine as long as my system is stable
[21:40] <charlie-tca> right. press any key right after the strange symbols appear in 11.04, or hold right shift at that point for older releases
[21:40] <zylinder> strange symbols?
[21:40] <zylinder> :)
[21:40] <charlie-tca> yeah, right after the bios checks
[21:40] <zylinder> Do you have an illegal hacked version or something :p
[21:40] <charlie-tca> I don't what they really are. A couple of rectangles, maybe?
[21:41] <zylinder> oh that's what you mean
[21:41] <zylinder> so any key will do...interesting
[21:41] <charlie-tca> I have the menu turned on full time. since I have more than one release on my drives
[21:41] <charlie-tca> but you have to be quick, if you wait more than a second or two, it won't stop
[21:42] <zylinder> okay, I will try that right away, thank you. are there any parameters I should use or smth?
[21:42] <zylinder> and how long does it take (round about (80gb drive))
[21:54] <charlie-tca> no parameters if it is in the menu, should take about 5 minutes
[22:03] <zylinder> charlie-tca, thank you, take care
[22:05] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:27] <elektronisch> does xorg, or whatever the X server is these days, support a function similar to windows 7 snap windows?
[23:28] <ochosi> elektronisch: that kind of functionality is in the window-manager
[23:28] <ochosi> in xubuntu's case it's xfwm4
[23:28] <ochosi> at the moment it doesn't support that feature, but it's planned and half-implemented in git, so it might land in the next version
[23:29] <elektronisch> ah, yeah i forgot.  its been years since i've used linux :/  i'll keep my eyes out for the upcoming feature
[23:30] <ochosi> you can also use compiz with xubuntu, compiz has that feature afaik
[23:32] <wolfy_> sudo apt-get install compiz
[23:32] <wolfy_> ?