=== Soupermanito is now known as Souperior === Souperior is now known as Aristoteles_mode === Aristoteles_mode is now known as Souperficial === Souperficial is now known as Ahab === xxx is now known as Guest57973 === Ahab is now known as Souperior [04:42] hey guys, I lost all my windows title bar and window controls [04:43] So after a hard restart I am unable to login from the splash screen or gdm. I can login from a vterm, or in a recovery session. I made a new user and can login under that name. I tried changing my splash to text and then running sudo service gdm start, and again could login for newuser but not myuser [04:43] I'm using 11.04 [04:45] ipv6hermit: How did you manage that? I would like to know so I could make that happen for me. [04:46] I can't find information on this for xubuntu [04:46] only for ubuntu [04:47] it has to do with the window manager but I don't know too much about xfce [04:54] using zubuntu 10.04 [04:54] suddenly skype sttoped working [04:54] it shuts down seconds after i try to open it [04:54] Rodensky: cuz microsoft bought it [04:55] Rodensky: what have you done recently? [04:55] anything [04:55] nothing actually [04:55] i havn't installed or uninstalled anything [04:55] do you possibly have a zombie'd skype running? [04:55] nope [04:55] ok [04:55] and i also tried rebooting first to make sure [04:55] well, start it in terminal, and see what error you get [04:56] ok a sec [04:56] $ skype [04:56] Aborted [04:56] thats it [04:56] hmm, sounds like a microsoft error message [04:56] lol [04:56] nothing else shows :\ [04:57] i dunno [04:57] maybe reinstall? [04:57] also didn't work [04:57] maybe you pulled in an upgrade on it, and didn't realize it. [04:57] i installed xubuntu 10.04 as a fresh install after formatting [04:58] what version do you have instaled.. ? skype --ver [04:58] and skype worked untill a few days ago [04:58] Skype 2.2.0.25 [04:58] same version i have... [04:58] how did you install it? a repo, or the .deb from skype.com, [04:58] or some other way [04:59] repo [05:00] i guess it's time to finely replace it with an open source software :) [05:01] Rodensky: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2963273.html [05:01] saw a forum post where that's worked for several w/ your problem [05:02] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750321&page=2 [05:02] post #11 on.. [05:02] hey [05:02] it did someting! [05:02] wait! :) [05:02] yey [05:02] it worked! [05:02] my google-foo prevails again [05:03] usualy i google my problems [05:03] this time i didn't know whay to look for [05:03] lol [05:03] what did you write in google? [05:03] skype ubuntu 10.04 aborted [05:03] 3rd link marked "solved" [05:04] btw after reading that link i realized that the bug was published in the main stream media in my country, but no one described what the bug was [05:06] well I now know why my mic does not work with google gphone it is on the 0,2 of the alsa subsystme and the google plugin will not config for that [05:07] KM0201, THANKS!! :) [05:07] Rodensky: don't thank me, thank google.. the geniuses are now doing the toran rah [05:09] google worth nothing if you don't know how to use it. i had the same access to google as you did, only you knew what to look for and you did it for me and it solved my problem, so i thank you very much :) [05:10] np [05:13] hey guys, I'm locked out of xfce [05:13] Anyone having trouble starting an xfce session? [05:14] I never had issues like these on xubuntu 9.10 [05:14] I'm disliking 11.04 a lot now [05:14] i was once locked and it took me a few hours to try shift+alt to replace the language :P [05:15] ipv6hermit: I've seen a couple others having this issue. XFCE works for me on Ubuntu 11.04. [05:15] ipv6hermit: Did you try the suggested: "apt-get --reinstall install xubuntu-desktop" [05:15] now I will try it now [05:16] s/now/no/g [05:16] I was prob rebooting when that was suggested to me [05:16] thanks guys [05:17] have a nice say people! [06:46] hello everyone, I have an issue with xubuntu 11.04, I cannot initiate a xfce session. is there a xfce log file I can look at to see what's going on? I don't know much about xfce [06:49] did it work before, did you change something before it stopped working or it just stopped working? [06:50] it sort of just stopped working [06:51] you could try login to virtual console (ctrl alt F6) and rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority (ctrl alt F7 or F8 to go back to gui) [06:53] Sysi: I don't have that file [06:53] something like that? try writing .IC and pressing tab [06:54] Sysi: I have it, I just delted it [06:54] I'm using a terminal now with IRSSI [06:55] with screen [07:01] Sysi: I'm able to log into xfce now, but the original issue persists, all the windows I open do not have a title bar or a close and minimize button [07:02] this was the issue at first, then I tried the xfce-session friends [09:52] hola [09:52] can someone upload the last version of kmess at ubuntu? (this one has network connection loss bug) [09:53] you might want to ask #kubuntu-devel, but i'm not sure if they will do that either. but you can always ask === _stephan is now known as stephanmg [14:04] how is xubuntu? [14:05] im downloading its live desktop now, will install later [14:06] 11.4 is great [14:06] just hope to socialize a bit here, so i can get better help when i install later [14:06] how better is 11.4 to 104 [14:08] xfce 4.8 is great, the new greybird xubuntu theme is great [14:11] can i install xubuntu theme in fedora? [14:14] http://shimmerproject.org/projects/greybird/ [14:22] linsux, greybird is gtk+xfwm, so as long as you use xfce in fedora (and have a new enough murrine), everything should work okay [15:20] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 5 hours (19:00 UTC). Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [16:06] Xubuntu 11.04's GUI now feels as bloated as Ubuntu's GUI [16:06] I finally had to install Xfce and other stuff from scratch on ubuntu server [16:06] isn't choice great! [16:06] um, you do know server is not really made for gui's, right? [16:07] yes.. [16:08] But that's the only choice i had while at the same time being a part of Ubuntu [16:08] what's wrong with the 11.04 gui? [16:09] It is bloated and has eliminates the efficiency of use in my crapware.. [16:09] The GUI runs like a turtle [16:09] bloated in which way? [16:09] And if I remember the old fable, the turtle won the race. [16:09] Bloated in GUI sense, eliminating the efficiency of speed (in old hardwares). [16:10] no offense guys, just sharing a opinion [16:11] *an [16:11] SyGeek, well, bloat might not be the right word, as in xfce there is not "useless" stuff, but the accessibility is better and there are some new core features [16:13] SyGeek: Reading between the lines (Web sites, reviews, blogs), it looks (to me) like Xubuntu (at least) is taking the middle ground between the "bloated" GNOME/KDE and the newer really lightweight DE's (Lubuntu, puppy, etc). For me, that is a Good Thing (tm). [16:15] And one thing I like atout Xubuntu/XFCE is that when I uninstall a default app (say Thunderbird), I don't have to worry about it being tied into the core DE (say, Elvolution) [16:15] I know, the new features are really worth using but now that Xubuntu has become practically slow to a point that I can call it unusable (on my hardware). It no longer satisfies my hardware. I tried limiting it's GUI but countless tries and no success lead me to leaving it [16:17] Having older hardware really does make a big difference. [16:17] The only reason I went for Xubuntu in the first place was because of it's ease of use and fast UI [16:18] SyGeek: Maybe a minimal install + xfce (not xubuntu-desktop)? [16:18] SyGeek, what is your hardware then? [16:21] drc: Ubuntu server + xfce served the exact same purpose now [16:21] knome: http://pastebin.com/EgeFiErg [16:32] with that ram lxde could be more enjoyable === xGrind is now known as xGrind-OFF [18:14] Hi, where can I add language to xubuntu live image. [18:15] Add a language that is not there yet? [18:15] that would be a bug. You can file it using ubuntu-bug ubiquity [18:16] I want to write in a diffrent language aditional to english. [18:16] When you start the live cd, you should get a whole list of languages that you can pick from [18:16] live images only have complete support for english, but there should be at least some support for other languages, and all keyboard layout [18:17] Where do I add a keyboard layout? [18:17] Before you even start, there should be a language menu [18:17] during the installation, you are asked for keyboard layout [18:17] every layout available should be there by default, what one are you looking for? [18:18] um, maybe start with the download, and run the live cd? [18:18] Will it change the interface language? I prefer it will stay english [18:19] Sysi, hebrew [18:19] The very first screen asks you to select your language, you can pick english there. Then during the installation, you again will pick a language to have the finished installation run in [18:19] I want the interface to be in English and to be able to write in both languages [18:19] hebrew is already on the cd [18:21] I run the OS from the flash. I cant install it. [18:21] Whatever I do I dont see the language switcher [18:22] Try doing an installation with the alternate image then. It usually has more options [18:23] you can change layout from settings -> keyboard and get quick swap with xkb panel plugin that is know to be somewhat buggy [18:27] under setting I have -> Keyboard input method [18:27] not that one [18:28] there should be just generic keyboard settings with layout-tab [18:28] What version of Xubuntu? [18:28] 11.04 [18:28] menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager -> Keyboard [18:29] Also have input method switcher [18:40] Hiyq [18:40] Hiya* [18:41] !hi zylinder [18:42] !hi | zylinder [18:42] zylinder: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [18:42] SYSI NOW TIS STUCK ON HEBREW ( SORRY ONLY CAPS WORK ), SHOULD I USE IBUS OR OTHER SWITCHER? [18:59] Hello, i'm new to xubuntu...I cannot connect to internet. In gnome I usually used network manager applet, but in x it isn't working. [19:01] Tried xfapplet, but without a result [19:03] mmm [19:03] What do you mean, it's not working? It is exactly the same network manager as Ubuntu [19:04] robert, try nm-connection-editor [19:04] nm-applet it is, it appear for few seconds after log in and dissapear [19:05] like bluetooth apllet too [19:06] @Soupermanito, it's the conn editor, I cant connect with it. [19:07] robert, does your modem autoconnects to the internet? or you have to connect manually, adding your password and such on the machine? [19:09] it's mobile broadband by bluetooth, I have to click 'connect' and type password to unlock pass database. With a cable it autoconnects. [19:09] oh ok [19:10] Maybe change settings to autoconn somehow? [19:10] :( have never seen a bluethoot network thing robert [19:10] By cable it's simple, but how to do it with bt ? [19:11] try runing nm-connection-editor [19:11] can you lsusb and give us the dump on a pastebin? [19:11] !pastebin [19:11] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [19:11] ok, i'll try [19:13] http://pastebin.com/BwBT3dfG here [19:16] robert: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=814551 [19:20] Hm, I'll try, but this connection works (I'm using it right now but on gnome), when I switch to xfce I dont know how to activate it - network manager applet dissapear I sayed it above [19:21] yes robert but writing nm-connection-editor will launch it anyway [19:22] Wait...I can set autoconn it that file maybe [19:22] no idea [19:22] Ok, i'll try and then I'll return [19:23] good luck [19:34] Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 25 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [20:16] could anyone explain to me (beginner :)) what exactly the busybox is and what it does? [20:17] because I had to install xubuntu 4 or 5 times now [20:18] because I would send me straight to the busybox after a few (sometimes 1, other times around 20) restarts [20:18] it* [20:18] unfortunately I can't really say what is causing it [20:19] !busybox [20:19] !info busybox [20:19] busybox (source: busybox): Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.17.1-10ubuntu1 (natty), package size 283 kB, installed size 492 kB [20:21] basically means the startup failed for some reason [20:23] mh [20:23] thanks, but that doesn't really help me :) [20:23] I know. We are in a meeting right now. Can you wait a few minutes? [20:23] as it is more or less random, could it be that my harddrive has some kind of defect? [20:23] sure [20:28] still trying to figure out how to rip cd's in Xubuntu 11.04. [20:28] I use cdripper [20:31] I will have a look at it. Thanks charlie-tca [20:32] seems like the easiest thing for me [20:35] just curious, why gmusicbrowser replaced exaile? [20:36] better support from upstream [20:37] lighter too [20:47] Sysi, do you mean binary size? At least adding folders to library is heavier operation than by exaile. [20:47] i think it uses less ram, but i haven't really used either of those [20:57] Hi, it's me again. The nm-applet still doesn't want to appear, even when it appear (couple of times delete & add notification area) it doesn't show available connections. I am stuck to gnome :( [21:03] charlie-tca: hi again, any chance your meeting is over by now? [21:03] :) [21:03] getting there [21:04] groovy [21:18] O.k. i'm convinced, on the netbook Xubuntu is running great. I'm thinking about to switch to it too on the laptop. But.... what to take, 32 or 64Bit? It has a Core 2 Duo T5550 1.83Ghz processor and 3GB of RAM [21:19] I'd opt for 32 bit, but I'm a beginner :) [21:19] you wont really gain anything from 64b with that [21:20] 32bit should be fine [21:20] zylinder: it won't hit busybox everytime? [21:20] That makes it much more difficult. What file system did you use to partition it? [21:21] Thank you all :) [21:21] i'm off to burn a cd [21:22] zylinder: is it ext4? [21:22] * charlie-tca thinks that should be the default file system now [21:23] charlie-tca, no it doesnt [21:24] charlie-tca, at some point (seems random) it'll boot GRUB [21:24] and then, regardless of what I choose, it will load the busybox [21:24] every time [21:25] I would suggest booting to recovery menu, and running fsck from there. [21:25] only reinstalling help (ed me so far) [21:25] but even in recovery mode it loads the busybox [21:25] If it boots to the grub, look at what the default highlighted? [21:25] busybox is normal for recovery load, sometimes. [21:25] the highlighted one is xubuntu (linux x.xxx etc) [21:25] mh [21:26] so busybox knows fsck? [21:26] Since it is not loading all the stuff, it will go there [21:26] no, there should be a recovery menu you can use [21:26] mh when does that come up thouhg? normally? [21:26] normally [21:27] do I have to edit the boot parameters or something to get there? [21:27] hm [21:27] If it doesn't, you will need to boot to a live cd desktop and run fsck from there [21:27] meh, unfortunately I have very limited resources, as I just moved [21:27] you shouldn't need any parameters. It should be a grub menu entry, and boot right to a menu [21:28] check the hard drive cable, if you are okay opening the case. Maybe it came loose? [21:28] it's a notebook and I checked the connection [21:28] everything seems fine to me [21:28] yeah, that's a different creature than a box [21:29] is there a way to check the drive via fsck while Xubuntu is up and running? [21:29] still, can run the live desktop either from cd or usb [21:29] no, because it can't check a mounted partition [21:30] okay, so I have to get my hands on a live cd somehow. [21:30] yup [21:30] what would fsck tell me though? [21:30] if there is anything wrong with the drive [21:30] It could have bad sectors or a file messed up on it [21:31] * charlie-tca doesn't sound very technical === Sysi- is now known as Sysi [21:31] okay [21:32] how random is "stuff" written on a hard drive? [21:32] I mean, if a system rashes randomly it is likely that it is the RAM (hence the name), correct? [21:32] crashes* [21:33] mostly, in Linux, it isn't. It is pretty much in sequence [21:33] ram is memory [21:33] yes, I know, but the memory is used randomly isn't it? [21:33] hard drive is different, it is the thing where data is stored [21:34] yes, but memory erases every time you restart [21:34] that's what I mean [21:34] There is also a memory checker in grub and on the cd [21:34] you could run the memory check, but it takes a few hours to run [21:34] so a bad sector on the hard drive could be identified by, its getting technical again, loading studd on the disk, right? [21:34] it will tell you if it finds something [21:34] stuff* [21:35] a bad sector would be a spot on the hard drive that is unreliable. [21:35] If it gets used, you would have intermittent file system errors, which is dropping to busybox. [21:35] but, in theory, if there is an unreliable sector on my hard drive, shouldn't the system be fine as long as the important files are saved on a "good" sector? [21:35] If ram goes bad (memory), usually you will have trouble during bios checks or while actually using the system. [21:36] There is no way to know which file got on the bad spot. If it went bad after you installed, or is very intermittent, then a critical file could be on that spot, and fsck will tell you that. [21:37] okay, okay, fsck it is :) [21:37] just trying to get around that somehow [21:37] The memory issue usually shows up after the desktop comes up, when you are trying to do something and it freezes everything. [21:37] as it would mean formatting my backup usb stick and everything :( [21:37] got a cd drive? [21:37] yop [21:38] burn a cd-r instead [21:38] okay, I have to get my hands on one of those first :) [21:38] But try that recovery menu first. Maybe if you pick it, it will let you go to the menu [21:39] If I remember correctly and understand the boot sequence correctly, I should be able to bring up GRUB during every boot, right? [21:39] maybe the recovery ption will work fine as long as my system is stable [21:40] right. press any key right after the strange symbols appear in 11.04, or hold right shift at that point for older releases [21:40] strange symbols? [21:40] :) [21:40] yeah, right after the bios checks [21:40] Do you have an illegal hacked version or something :p [21:40] I don't what they really are. A couple of rectangles, maybe? [21:41] oh that's what you mean [21:41] so any key will do...interesting [21:41] I have the menu turned on full time. since I have more than one release on my drives [21:41] but you have to be quick, if you wait more than a second or two, it won't stop [21:42] okay, I will try that right away, thank you. are there any parameters I should use or smth? [21:42] and how long does it take (round about (80gb drive)) [21:54] no parameters if it is in the menu, should take about 5 minutes === em_ is now known as em [22:03] charlie-tca, thank you, take care [22:05] You are welcome === pleia2_ is now known as pleia2 [23:27] does xorg, or whatever the X server is these days, support a function similar to windows 7 snap windows? [23:28] elektronisch: that kind of functionality is in the window-manager [23:28] in xubuntu's case it's xfwm4 [23:28] at the moment it doesn't support that feature, but it's planned and half-implemented in git, so it might land in the next version [23:29] ah, yeah i forgot. its been years since i've used linux :/ i'll keep my eyes out for the upcoming feature [23:30] you can also use compiz with xubuntu, compiz has that feature afaik [23:32] sudo apt-get install compiz [23:32] ?