[00:02] shadeslayer, apachelogger, http://www.pcworld.com/article/228975/htc_desire_hd_hacked_to_run_ubuntu_natively.html [00:13] news on the tarball situation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615116/ [00:17] Grrrr, I need a new phone [00:23] Grrrr, kdepimlibs in new queue is blocking merge progress [00:23] ScottK^ [01:59] ScottK: these patches touch the same code: [01:59] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/qt/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_23_arm_memory_barriers.patch [01:59] http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-kde/qt/qt4-x11.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/x-0003-Use-GCC-intrinsics-for-armv6-atomic-operations.patch;h=e5ca14df456b667fe5ab51709560c86ea34408f9;hb=HEAD [02:00] do we want that patch from debian? [02:41] rbelem: yeah, i saw that :D [02:42] apachelogger: and calligra is WIP, figured out build deps at night but had no internet connection to test build [03:20] apachelogger: yofel Quintasan_ alot of the build deps are outdated, this will take alot more time than expected [03:21] and a couple of them are completely broken === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T [04:56] is kde 4.6.3 backported to lucid? [05:25] debfx: I think we want ours. [05:25] c2tarun: No and it won't be, at least not by the Kubuntu team. [05:26] JontheEchidna: I have to leave for the airport in 4 hours and I haven't slept nor packed yet. I'll try to squeeze it in. [06:21] "echidnaman expired from team" [06:21] my powers are melting! [06:22] meeeeeltiiiiing [06:22] isn't it too late there?:P [06:26] 1:30, but I am not yet employed for the summer so it doesn't matter too much [06:27] I have an exam at 9:00, now it's 7:27 === Nightrose2 is now known as Nightrose === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [07:22] \o [07:22] time to go to robotics exam [07:22] o/ [07:23] good luck [08:03] * Quintasan goes out, damn you PE [08:29] sigh. things are borked in natty :( [08:30] I cant seem to get dual head working :( [09:30] Quintasan: you don't need to send your mails 4 times :P [11:05] pimlibs out of New. Have fun merging. [11:20] I have two kubuntu's on my system, one maverick and one natty. I am not able to start my natty. System is freezing on kubuntu splash screen. :( [11:22] hello ksmanis [11:23] ulysses: hey [11:23] I have kcm-grub2 0.5, and when I try to remove older kernels, I get this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/kepek/kerneltorles.png [11:24] some character encoding error in the window [11:24] oh [11:25] how does your /boot/grub/grub.cfg look like? [11:29] http://paste.kde.org/76675/ [11:29] It's the default, I didn't modify it [11:32] ulysses: thanks. can you also post the result of "sudo file /boot/grub/grub.cfg"? [11:32] to see the encoding of the file [11:32] /boot/grub/grub.cfg: UTF-8 Unicode English text [11:37] ulysses: I'll take cafe of it, thanks for reporting [11:37] btw what's that envelope icon on your tray? kmail? [11:38] Message Indicator plasmoid [11:57] debfx: did you port our stuff from qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk to qt-kde-team/2/debian-qt-kde.mk? [11:58] apachelogger: dhmk uses the kde dh sequence [11:58] so I've only dropped the maintainer check [11:59] no idea what that means, sounds good though [11:59] * apachelogger ponders dropping xine stuff from kdebase-runtime [12:00] and if people come after me I'll throw the legacy-crap-unmaintained-warning at them [12:00] * apachelogger unbreaks stuff [12:03] if you want to drop it please try to convince debian first [12:03] I do not reason with debian about upstream decisions :P [12:04] why would I do that? [12:04] ah you mean dropping it upstream? [12:04] why of course [12:04] I'd not drop stuff downstream :P [12:05] then people from the debian upstream that work on the kde upstream come and bitch about upstream having right of superior choice :P [12:06] JontheEchidna: we'll need a script to move bugs from old soruce to new source WRT KDE 4.7 [12:21] debfx: do you have time to do a quick test? [12:23] apachelogger: sure [12:23] debfx: install libcanberra-pulse and sound-theme-freedesktop and try the speaker setup in kcmshell4 phonon [12:23] in particular the test sound stuff [12:23] should be working with those two [12:27] apachelogger: do I need to restart pulseaudio? [12:29] works fine [12:29] groovy [12:29] now what do we make those [12:29] I'd say recommends for the plugins as they are not necessary to the kde runtime other than to get that setup working [12:29] the sound theme ought to be depends as it will be depends in libcanberra0, as that is what the spec requires [12:30] what is libcanberra used for? [12:30] event sounds [12:30] a bit like knotify [12:30] actually a lot like knotify [12:30] but with a spec ^^ [12:31] debfx: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/libcanberra/#overview [12:31] it is like knotify merged with phonon ^^ [12:37] [kdebase-runtime] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110531113722-jrw2jlpaghpahn8x * debian/ (changelog control) (log message trimmed) [12:37] * Make kdebase-runtime recommend on libcanberra-pulse | libcanberra-gstreamer - [12:37] Much like Phonon, Canberra has backends, so kdebase-runtime needs to recommend [12:37] apachelogger: so, kphotify? :D [12:37] jussi: exactly, you should not use that name without a tm though [12:38] someone should go do some bug triage! [12:38] kphotify (tm) :D [12:38] better [13:30] DarkwingDuck: do we have a date for the meeting yet? [13:30] it appears jr too care of membership [14:20] Quintasan: you pinged? [14:21] Riddell: yeah, mind if query? [14:21] can do === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [14:43] apachelogger: ping [16:13] txwikinger: pong [16:50] networkmanager 0.9 has landed in oneiric, I guess that means the plasma widget doesn't work anymore [17:00] debfx: yeah, thats a fair assumption [17:02] meaning I should make neon work on oneiric soon, would be trivial to check there.. [17:08] apachelogger: I will be sending that email out today. [17:23] debfx: I think there's a knm branch that ~works with 0.9. [17:23] We should probably go ahead and switch. [17:26] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [17:26] <_Groo_> im back :P [17:27] <_Groo_> finally my main notebook is fixed :) [17:28] oh hey, long time no see :) [17:32] JontheEchidna: How's merging going? We're supposed to have an Alpha 1 on Thursday and we need to get stuff installable so the livefs will build .... [17:33] Looks like nothing stuck in New. [17:33] We've got the core out of the way, mostly. kde4libs, kdebase-runtime, kdegraphics and kdebase out of the way. [17:33] ScottK: either that or we do it the fedora way [17:33] I'll upload bindings after the test build finishes [17:33] debfx: What's that? [17:34] (the fedora way) [17:34] about the only core package that need to be merged is kdebase-workspace [17:34] then we have kdemultimedia, kdeedu, etc [17:34] That one will probably hit New too. [17:34] ScottK: afaik nm0.9 compatibility hacks in kdebase-workspace [17:34] Ah. Right. [17:34] I read somewhere we don't want to do it that way. [17:34] I think the upstream branch is better now. [17:35] But that's just from reading planet kde, so may be completely wrong. [17:35] If this testbuild works I'll be ready to upload pim-runtime, and I have kdeutils ready to testbuild right after [17:35] JontheEchidna: 4.6 rc? [17:35] 4.4.11.1 [17:35] we could delay pim until after alpha1 [17:35] * yofel has kdeplasma-addons almost done [17:36] It looks like things are coming together with the merges, at any rate [17:36] we could probably get done by today, maybe wednesday [17:36] We just need to get it done quick so we can get some images to spin. [17:37] That should work. [17:37] Today is better, of course. [17:37] ScottK: oh, did you see this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/615116/ [17:38] JontheEchidna: I hadn't. Nice. [17:39] yeah, I figured you might not have, what with rushing around getting ready to travel [17:39] * ScottK starts to wonder if we should just skip beta 1. [17:39] Oh, I have no doubt that we won't get beta 1 packaged [17:40] JontheEchidna: Unless you aren't busy with other stuff, I think debfx's suggestion of delaying on pim/pim-runtime makes sense. [17:40] yeah [17:40] It's not connected to anything else. [17:40] meh bindings ftbfs [17:40] http://paste.kde.org/76783/ [17:40] I just uploaded 4.4.11.1-2ubuntu1 since I had it done, but I won't grab kdepim proper [17:48] aha, that's fixed in debian [17:55] JontheEchidna: There's a qtzeitgeist in source New at the moment from Debian that overwrites some of our binaries in libqzeitgeist. In your copious free time, could you figure out what's up with that and let cjwatson know if he should accept it. [17:56] ScottK: I've uploaded it [17:57] it should replace our qtzeitgeist package [17:57] sounds like debfx has it covered ;-) [17:57] I'm grabbing kdebase-workspace [17:58] debfx: Thanks. [17:58] btw, the kdeadmin merge in bzr can be sponsored now that merged kdepimlibs is no longer blocking [17:58] <_Groo_> anyone working on kde-pim 4.6 rc2? [17:58] actually, Quintasan could upload it himself [17:59] _Groo_: Not at the moment. Trying to get 4.6.3 merged from Debian and uploaded. [18:00] <_Groo_> ScottK: i could have a go at it [18:00] <_Groo_> or should i wait for 4.6.3? [18:00] I think we want to wait for pim 4.6 final to put it in the archive. An update for the experimental PPA seems like a good idea (if it's not there already, didn't check) [18:03] <_Groo_> ScottK: ok then :) [18:04] <_Groo_> what about 4.7 beta1? anyone working on it? or waiting on debians? [18:04] waiting on the merges to be finished [18:04] <_Groo_> yofel: k [18:08] we'll probably skip beta 1 [18:09] since we sort've are waitng on debian also [18:10] there's always project neon in the meantime, though :) [18:15] true, I guess we can do some package sorting for beta1 so we already have something we can use for b2 [18:15] I hope they'll stick to the tar layout at least [18:16] thinking of it, updating the dep-graph will be fun [18:28] they won't stick with the tarball layout, is the thing [18:29] * debfx gets increasingly angry at kdebindings [18:29] hardcodes python2.6 ... [18:29] for 4.7 I mean, after that we'll have the next splitups ofc [18:29] which will probably mess up the 4.7.X releases again :/ [18:30] I've been told on good authority that the tarball layout will change every pre release up until 4.7.0 [18:31] *sigh* [18:32] here's the whole conversation: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615116/ [18:32] (which I almost spelled with a k) ;-) [18:38] I somehow find the fedora way interesting, doesn't dpkg support multiple tarballs per source these days? ^^ [18:38] It does, but it's still somewhat annoying to deal with. [18:39] well, as long as the debian/rules files don't end up being posted on TheDailyWTF I could live with it [18:39] IMO the biggest problem here is that whatever we do, Debian may do things differently [18:40] s/may/will/ [18:40] yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [18:40] yeah, we could sink manpower in to it even if they don't want to, but that'll great tons more work later when we try to merge [18:40] esp. considering they're not even touching the current tars [18:40] we've really been handed a crap sandwhich here [18:44] lets switch to unity! [18:44] let's ignore apachelogger for the rest of the day [18:45] * apachelogger wonders how unity looks on the n900 [18:45] that would actually be somewhat tempting ^^ [18:45] actually I had it half way running already [18:45] the -2d version [18:46] when I was debugging gles breakage [18:50] someone broke me route [18:50] great job there [18:51] apachelogger: have you seen http://i.imgur.com/A7QZW.png ? [18:52] yes [18:52] pretty neat, seeing KDE on TV [18:52] not so neat that it is fedora :P [18:52] Without KDE, Doctor Who could not be made. :P [18:52] that proofs linus wrong quite a bit [18:53] evening [18:54] * yofel wonders when linux 3.0 will land in oneiric ^^ [18:55] without KDE, the movie "social network" could not be made (there is a moment where Mark Zuckerberg uses kde 2) :P [18:56] s/social network/the social network/ [18:56] bambee meant: "without KDE, the movie "the social network" could not be made (there is a moment where Mark Zuckerberg uses kde 2) :P" [18:56] kubotu: shut up [18:56] kubotu-- [18:57] bstrds [18:58] lol [18:59] Avatar was made using Kubuntu, IIRC. [18:59] avatar is running kubuntu [18:59] me@avatar:~$ lsb_release -d [18:59] Description: Ubuntu 11.04 [19:00] ^^ [19:00] apachelogger: The last method you gave me to get debugs for the kded4 problem, prevents it to occur [19:01] oh kubotu gets angry [19:02] txwikinger: what was the last and what was the problem? [19:02] The problem was the defunc processes [19:02] ohright, sow hat was the last command? [19:02] something strace, no? [19:03] the last debug was strace -ff -F -o kded.strace kded4 [19:04] I guess I could use it as a workaroud.. .just send it to /dev/null instead :) [19:05] lol [19:05] txwikinger: if you leave -F out of it, what happens? [19:05] equally if you leave -F in but -ff out [19:10] I will check that [19:13] <_Groo_> no pls, not unity :D i use KDE ;) [19:15] _Groo_: make your desktop look like this then: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/plasma1.png :P [19:16] <_Groo_> yofel: its easy, just crearte some panels and move them around :D [19:16] guess what I did :P [19:16] <_Groo_> but i like the mac look i have a lower fancy panel, that i love [19:16] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah i know you did [19:17] apachelogger: the -F left off seems to do the same .. but I will leave it running for a while to confirm [19:17] <_Groo_> yofel: first i read blogs.. second everyone who uses KDE would notice it in a sec [19:17] * claydoh wants activities that can be with panels disabled [19:17] true [19:17] on a per-activity basis [19:17] * txwikinger wants snow back [19:18] * claydoh kinda agrees with txwikinger, as he just had to mow his hilly yard [19:18] claydoh: 30C/55% [19:18] * _Groo_ wants a zoom plugin that allow mouse rolls [19:19] * _Groo_ and areas like the old advanced zoom in compiz [19:19] heh, that's what we had yesterday here ^^ [19:19] yofel: where is here? [19:20] southwest germany [19:20] Ah [19:20] Did not remember southwest Germany being so humid [19:20] txwikinger: we had that here in Maine yesterday, now way was I gonna cut grass then [19:21] usually it's not, actually the last few weeks have been abnormally dry here to the point that people are wishing for rain [19:21] its pushing 26 here [19:21] claydoh: the worst... houses here have no real windows for opening.,. and we have no a/c [19:22] yofel: Here was lots of flooding during May [19:22] heh, I put our ac in yesterday [19:22] * txwikinger wants a house with large windows with ability to open [19:22] txwikinger: where is here? There was some mention even in our news though that the US had floods [19:23] yofel: Canada [19:23] txwikinger: I have seen a/c units that are 'portable' with a small vent going to a window, similar to a clothes dryer hose [19:23] The Prairies had lots of floods and Quebec too [19:24] claydoh: Yeah. I have one of those, but the bedroom does not have a sliding window in which you can fix the hose [19:24] that sucks [19:24] yofel: Ontario had as much rain in May as usually for the whole year, but no extreme flodding [19:25] I've been thinking about getting one like that, but electricity isn't exactly cheap :/ [19:25] txwikinger: hmpf. We had like 10% of the rain we should have had in May [19:25] Tonight we will have thunderstorms, hopefully it will get cooler after that [19:26] you really start to notice that in the water levels of the smaller rivers [19:26] Supposedly there is a cold front coming [19:26] * txwikinger hopes for thunderstorms with snow [19:26] claydoh: Aspen still has the slopes open.. they got snow last weekend [19:27] I like snow, but not that much :) [19:27] * txwikinger loved this winter [19:27] Snow well into April.. that was nice [19:28] ScottK: ping [19:28] apachelogger: pong [19:28] * apachelogger forgot [19:28] oh right [19:29] * txwikinger should go and work at the beach [19:29] ScottK: regarding kubuntu-low-fat: no krunner at all or krunner with all stuff deactivated except launching apps? [19:29] * apachelogger notes that qalculate is causing like 5 mib of heap usage [19:29] it was about 10-11 years ago this past weekend that we got stuck in snow/ice while running down logging roads in northern Maine, and had to walk 7.5 miles to the nearest phone [19:29] I'm not much of a krunner user, so probably not the best one to say. What's the impact of leaving app launching? [19:30] ScottK: krunner is still running ^^ [19:30] not particularly fat if we turn everything else off [19:30] but never the less it still got pixmaps in memory etc. [19:31] If nothing else handles alt+f2 do leave that enabled at least [19:31] perhaps [19:31] leave it enabled [19:31] the kmenu has the search function, is that tied to krunner? [19:31] yeah alt-f2 is useful [19:31] I think launching is a very important use case. I'd leave just that enabled. [19:31] but place a desktop file in the user home [19:31] that way they can easily disable it via the autostart kcm [19:32] claydoh: yes, but not the executable [19:32] it uses the same library though etc. [19:33] * apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna wants to close bug 790801 [19:33] Launchpad bug 790801 in KDE Utilities ""Apply" button in Settings never grays out" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/790801 === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [19:42] [kubuntu-low-fat-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110531184241-lrahl4lf0o60gxd4 * share/config/krunnerrc add krunnerc with only shell and apps enabled [19:51] apachelogger: couldn't we move those KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT exports from the packages to pkg-kde-tools? [19:54] [kubuntu.oneiric] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110531185401-ec696ghzxuygmygw * kubuntu-common comment-- [19:59] debfx: yes [19:59] there is a bug somewhere about that [19:59] probably assigned to me even [20:05] apachelogger: and will you take up your assignment? :P [20:05] <_Groo_> txwikinger: here i can go to the beach, but i cant work there [20:05] <_Groo_> txwikinger: my notebook wouldnt last 2 secs [20:05] <_Groo_> txwikinger: or my life FTW [20:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/749379 [20:06] Ubuntu bug 749379 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) ""Desktop" string is not translated in KDE" [Medium,Triaged] [20:06] this?^^ [20:06] bah.. beach has nice breeze [20:06] debfx: eventually [20:07] ulysses: that's a different issue [20:09] debfx: You need to look at your pimlibs conflicts. [20:09] Some of them don't sit well with our pim-runtime being 4.4. [20:09] Package: libakonadi-kcal4 [20:10] Breaks: kdepim-runtime (<< 4:4.4.60), akonadi-kde (<< 4:4.1.80) [20:10] Not a happy situation. [20:11] ScottK: that's indeed not ideal [20:12] That's causing mass uninstallabillity in KDE packages ATM, so please have a look. [20:15] eh why did that package have Replaces: kdepim-runtime (<< 4:4.4.60) before [20:16] Dunno. You uploaded it .... [20:16] * ScottK suspects some merge magic at work. [20:16] before the merge [20:16] I added the breaks because replaces alone is wrong [20:16] How did that possibly work then. [20:17] No, replaces alone is fine if you're just overwriting files. [20:18] yes, replacing files is done with breaks and replaces [20:19] JontheEchidna: I can't :) [20:19] * Quintasan has no PC ATM [20:19] ah, kk [20:19] I'd appreciate it if someone could upload it [20:20] debfx: Sigh. No. Please show me where this is documented then. [20:21] ScottK: i'm sure it's in the debian policy [20:21] Breaks/Replaces is instead of Conflicts/Replaces. [20:21] debfx: I'm sure it's not. [20:21] ScottK: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/footnotes.html#f53 [20:22] The footnotes aren't normative. [20:22] I can see where there are advantages to this in some cases. [20:22] I don't think this is one of them. [20:23] In any case, either bump down the version to one we have (and make sure it doesn't ship the files that were moved) or drop the breaks. [20:24] Either one solves the installability problem. [20:24] I'm more interested in it being sovled than how. [20:24] Quintasan: I'm waist-deep in kdebase-workspace right now, but if nobody has gotten around to uploading your merge, I will once I am done [20:25] [kubuntu-mobile.oneiric] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110531192441-kg47lhttinumc4nf * mobile dont seed blogilo on mobile, that thing is so not usable on a small screen it makes my head hurt from just thinking about it [20:25] probably in another 2 or 3 hours [20:26] debfx: Looks like libakonadi-contact4 is affected too. [20:26] I think that's the only other one. [20:27] [kubuntu-mobile.oneiric] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110531192639-6yzfwefnrgqaf2ey * STRUCTURE base mobile on standard instead of kubuntu-common>desktop-common>standard, the commons contain all sorts of useless stuff [20:30] ScottK: that problem can happen with every file that is moved between packages (it's another question if it will happen often in practice) [20:30] also it says "Normally, Breaks should be used in conjunction with Replaces." [20:30] JontheEchidna: thanks [20:30] debfx: Right. The problem in this case is the lack of sufficient version in the archive makes it very problematic. [20:31] We did Replaces without Breaks for a very long time and I don't recall ever having problems with it. [20:31] ScottK: sure I'm investigating when that replaces got added [20:31] Thanks. [20:32] replaces is cool === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:33] "Bump replaces on KDE 4:4.4.0 to 4:4.4.60 since we're doing this split a major KDE version later than Debian" [20:33] so we can probably downgrade the version [20:34] [kubuntu-mobile.oneiric] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110531193445-v3293wsqx24n9ti8 * mobile fill mobile seed with stuff we need [20:35] we should really prepare all KDE SC upgrades in a ppa [20:36] * Quintasan hands Master of Naps badge to rbelem [20:36] well, this isn't really an upgrade, so nobody thought of it I guess [20:36] yofel: it is a 4.6.2 -> 4.6.3 upgrade [20:36] ScottK: any other problems in kdepimlibs? [20:37] ah right, we still had 4.6.2 in the archive [20:37] debfx: Not that I found. I was investigating general KDE uninstallability at cjwatson's request. [20:37] feature [20:38] ScottK is kde dev your full time or do you have a different full time job that allows you to dev full time? [20:38] jjesse: I don't dev nearly full time. [20:38] I multi-task well. [20:38] I'm currently sitting in a $WORK meeting. [20:38] wow must be very well, thought you did this full time [20:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerUsers/Unity/Options [20:39] That just means I talk a lot. [20:39] bah [20:39] ScottK: there were quite a few package name transition so until all kde* is rebuilt many things are uninstallable [20:39] Well that's the one I found that was a packaging bug. [20:39] * ScottK wonders how JontheEchidna is doing on -workspace. [20:39] ulysses: That's SOOOO power user related [20:39] lol [20:40] ScottK: another few hours, including testbuilding [20:40] you nite [20:40] OK. Cool. [20:41] oh yeah, we got a new power users team. Do they do anything that we're not already doing? [20:41] I've just gotten done merging debian/patches [20:41] * apachelogger has no idea what they do [20:41] what do we do? [20:42] apachelogger: We do the most awesome KDE distribution [20:42] Isn't that enough [20:42] ? [20:43] so the power users team is doing the most awesome kde distribution too? [20:43] Someone is having an installer bug with large HDD in #kubuntu if anyone would like to address it [20:43] apachelogger: They try to make Unity useful for people who've used a computer before. [20:43] Quintasan: why do we distribute a community anyway? [20:43] it is already distributed [20:43] ScottK: do they have too much spare time? :O [20:44] cause I could use a minion or two [20:44] !info akonadi-backend-sqlite oneiric [20:44] akonadi-backend-sqlite (source: akonadi): SQLite storage backend for Akonadi. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.5.3-2ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 27 kB, installed size 124 kB [20:44] yay [20:44] seeeeeed [20:44] apachelogger: do you know how well that backend is supposed to work? Might make sense to use it on the desktop if it's usable [20:45] or at least use the ODBC backend since we're stuck with virtuoso [20:45] JontheEchidna: no desktop [20:45] nonono [20:45] >virtuoso [20:45] by upstream request [20:45] it is so bad [20:45] ScottK: kdepimlibs uploaded [20:45] it is meant for mobile only [20:45] kdebindings is still building [20:45] * Quintasan bets it is better than vituoso [20:45] debfx: Thanks. [20:45] virtuoso even [20:46] [kubuntu-mobile.oneiric] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110531194600-ep0o78jrr1vazf8p * mobile seed akonadi sqlite explicitly [20:47] apachelogger: how about odbc? Then we'd only have to run virtuoso rather than virtuoso and mysql [20:47] apachelogger: I think they finally realized that they aren't in Canonical's target audience and if they want Ubuntu to work for them, they'll actually have to do something. [20:47] JontheEchidna: ask volker in #akonadi [20:48] maybe once I am done with this merge [20:48] ScottK: poor fellas, maybe I should repost my trololo post about how kubuntu is superior to ubuntu :P [20:48] apachelogger: Wait until after you beg rickspencer3 for hardware. [20:48] oh, internesting. Debian has a plasma-netbook.desktop that they install to autostart in the plasma-netbook package [20:48] right [20:48] s/internesting/interesting [20:49] Quintasan, :-D [20:49] how do we handle that? [20:49] JontheEchidna: We have a patch. [20:49] jr did some magic. [20:49] so copy over the .desktop file, but don't install it? [20:49] It's only interesting for first run. [20:49] After that you can control it via a kcm. [20:49] Sure. [20:49] k [20:50] rbelem: Now you have to live up to the reputation :D [20:50] jr doing magic = serious business [20:51] JontheEchidna, ScottK: just put one with hidden=true in kds' autostart [20:51] if there is not already [20:51] meh, plasma-widget-quickaccess FTBFS [20:51] JontheEchidna: aren't you upstream? :P [20:51]