[00:18] <phillw> pleia2: do you have time for a PM?
[00:18] <pleia2> phillw: sure, but my internet is pretty lousy so I might drop off
[07:16] <RainCT> phillw: Hey
[07:17] <RainCT> phillw: (btw, you can email me at rainct@ubuntu.com)
[08:32] <Fudge> anyone usine oneiric yet for testing
[08:43] <UndiFineD> Fudge, what testing ?
[08:52] <Fudge> orca in oneiric
[09:01] <UndiFineD> hmm, no orca still keeps crashing on me, and my audio is broken too
[09:02] <UndiFineD> I think I need to load classic for that to work properly
[09:04] <leoquant> indeed i can confirm that
[10:42] <Fudge> i can too, i jsut came back from failures
[10:42] <Fudge> i do not believe classic is included with oneiric now?
[10:42] <Fudge> or are you somehow able to isntall classic
[10:44] <Fudge> install
[10:51] <Fudge> :D
[11:03] <MrChrisDruif> Fudge; What are you talking about?
[11:05] <Pendulum> MrChrisDruif: for Oneiric the 2D default will be Unity 2D, not 'Classic Gnome Desktop'
[11:05] <Fudge> yes, that is what i was talking about, tks
[11:06] <Pendulum> Fudge: I suspect that they have not gotten around to making that change, however, in whatever is available for testing Oneiric. (although I've not tried installing it so I can't tell you for sure)
[11:06] <MrChrisDruif> Won't Oneiric be based on Gnome 3 without the shell and with Unity instead?
[11:07] <MrChrisDruif> A1 already out?
[11:07] <Pendulum> A1 is due thursday
[11:07] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[11:41] <UndiFineD> #ubuntu-testing : <jibel> guillemhs, the current package is not installable with at-spi2.
[11:41] <UndiFineD> so that is a likely to be a w.i.p.
[11:44] <jibel> the context of this quote is ldtp/python-ldtp
[12:13] <Fudge> fun fun
[14:14] <charlie-tca> alpha1 is much too early for accessibility to be working. Not even the installs using the desktop cd are working without orca
[16:49] <maco> Fudge: oneiric isn't even booting for some of the devs right now, let alone working *well*
[18:12] <skaet> maco,  there's some known issues on todays builds that are being sorted.    When the alpha 1 images show up on the iso tester, try again then.   Note,  there's a known issue running under kvm that won't be sorted in time for the release. 
[18:13] <skaet> and yes,  charlie-tca is right,  its too early for accesibility to be working.   Lots of transistions going on right now. 
[18:13] <maco> skaet: i havent tried at all. i just saw ev & dholbach saying their oneirics weren't booting
[22:04] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: thanks for the update on Onboard menu item. It never occurred to them that they have been doing exactly that same thing for years?
[22:05] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: I believe it was a "decluttering" excercise
[22:05] <AlanBell> but as we now have all that clutter of offering other stuff to you to download it got more confusing
[22:06] <AlanBell> I believe the theory was you could start it from GDM so the menu option wasn't strictly neccessary
[22:06] <charlie-tca> I see. I guess I will go beat my head on another wall now
[22:06] <charlie-tca> Yes, that's right. The GDM thing, which you couldn't really do either when you really needed it.
[22:07] <charlie-tca> ah, well. At least we get something out of all that.