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sugwhy i am here ?06:16
sug:'( what i done wrong06:16
rwwone sec06:16
bazhangjungli06:16
sugjungli ?06:16
rwwAh. Rampant violation of network protocol via wilful ban-evasion.06:16
sugwhen ?06:16
bazhangearlier today06:17
sugi want to know about myth ubuntu06:17
sugwhat is that ?06:17
IdleOneuse a search engine06:17
sugno no which wm is install in i ?06:18
sugi/it06:18
bazhangsug, hi06:18
sugguys you all are mad i am not jungli06:18
rwwuh huh06:19
bazhangsug, this is not a support channel.06:19
sugi have to instaal master shaper on it06:19
rwwShame. Perhaps you shouldn't have pooped where you eat. Or get technical support. Or something.06:19
sugbut tell me which wm is on mythubuntu06:20
IdleOnesug: Please part this channel and stop wasting our time.06:20
bazhangsug, try a search engine. mythtv and ubuntu06:20
sugsorry but i am not jungli you ppl are thing wrong06:20
sugbye06:21
rwwI wonder why he bothers denying it.06:21
* rww shrugs, goes back to food06:22
Tm_Tbecause it causes more mess?06:22
bazhangat least it's not his mom06:22
sugfuck you all mofos06:27
Tm_T<306:27
IdleOneIf you were drinking tea right now, you would not be speaking.06:28
IdleOne:)06:29
bazhang<p1oooop> tom4ficus: LIGHT IT ON FIRE AND IGNORE IT!06:30
rwwIdleOne has ruined tea forever.06:30
IdleOneI can change it to Snapple06:30
IdleOnemade from the best stuff on earth!06:31
Tm_TIdleOne: change it to kapsi06:31
rwwhigh fructose corn syrup?06:31
IdleOneTm_T: I don't know what kapsi is06:31
Tm_Tmix of coffee and pepsi (or any cola)06:32
IdleOnesounds gross06:32
Tm_Ttry and find out06:32
bazhangchange it to molasses, makes more sense06:32
Tm_Twhere's the fun in making sense?06:33
FlannelYou can save it for a rainy day!06:33
bazhangsteviewonder seems to be less than helpful06:47
sugsorry guys07:23
sugthis is not my sementics07:23
sugsorry for abusing you07:23
suggod bless you all sorry again07:23
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ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (nikolaibo appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY)07:58
Jordan_UBanned from viewing wikipedia?08:47
Tm_T?08:48
Jordan_U( reffering to a comment from zeekill in #ubuntu )08:48
ikonia!ops bacta in #ubuntu-server08:49
ubottuikonia: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)08:49
ikonia!ops |bacta in #ubuntu-server08:49
ubottubacta in #ubuntu-server: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler!08:49
ubottuikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (bacta in #ubuntu-server)08:49
ubottuikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-server (Bacta is on a namespace wide ban - please remove and speak to IRC council for confirmation)08:50
ikonia4 ops for -server, great08:50
Tm_TI'm not surprised08:50
sorenikonia: I'm not sure what you're asking there.08:56
sorenikonia: To kickban him or what?08:56
Tm_Tyes08:56
ikoniasoren: bacta is on a namespace wide ban from all ubuntu channels08:56
sorenalright08:56
sorenOh, too slow.08:57
sorenStory of my life.08:57
ikoniayou can still stick a ban on bacta!*@*08:58
ikonia(please)08:58
sorendone08:59
* Tm_T huggles soren08:59
ikoniathank you08:59
Tm_Tmicahg: hi, still something we can help you with?09:00
ikonia!idle | micahg10:00
ubottumicahg: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.10:00
sorenikonia: It's 4 AM in micahg-land. Just FYI.10:01
ikoniadanke10:02
ikoniamaybe someone should remove him until he's active10:02
sorenHe's actually an op in #ubuntu-hardened, apparantly.10:06
ikoniainteresting10:06
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LjLi find it awful that the Ubuntu site screams "built-in virus protection" :(12:59
LjLor for that matter, "free updates for life". says who?12:59
bazhangfor the life of the website12:59
ikoniaLjL: ubuntu.com says built in virus protection13:00
ikonia?13:00
LjLikonia: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu13:00
LjLso much marketing crap13:01
LjL"With Ubuntu, you can do everything you can do with other operating systems. But faster."13:01
ikoniapretty poor13:01
ikoniaI can now see why the #ubuntu-adverts team feel it appropriate to say the tosh they do13:01
bazhangis that the team that wanted to add to the topic of #ubuntu ?13:02
ikoniayes,13:02
ikoniabut I can see why they feel it appropriate to write what they did, based on the nonsense ubuntu.com is spouting13:02
gord"<LjL> or for that matter, "free updates for life". says who?" <-- mark?13:28
LjLgord: and mark can actually make a promise that throughout my life i will get free updates?13:29
gordLjL, your reading in to the wording, the updates are free for life, not you will get updates all through your life13:29
PiciIt says free upgrades for life13:30
bazhangfor the life of that version13:30
PiciI think it means from one release to the next, not necessarily within a release.13:30
PiciThe picture next to it looks like CD cases anyway.13:30
LjLgord: anyway the virus protection thing is complete crap.13:31
PiciUnless you count GNU/Linux as being virus protection, but thats stretching the definition a bit.13:31
gordi disagree13:32
Picigord: On which part?13:32
gordpeople are worried about viruses, viruses are not a problem on ubuntu, so you distil it down for them. maybe we could offer people a 20 page pdf about the pro's/con's of viruses on linux but that is hardly going to get people to try ubuntu13:32
PiciAlthough maybe if you're talking about AppArmor..13:33
gordyour just being picky13:33
LjLgord: you could have said "There are no viruses" or something13:33
LjLgord: "Virus protection" means there is virus protection13:33
LjLand that's not being picky, that's reading things how they're written13:33
LjLyou don't HAVE to defend their silly marketing claims you know13:33
PiciLjL: Woudl you say that the explanation under 'Secure' on this page is better worded: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features ?13:33
PiciLjL: Its about halfway down the page on the left.13:34
gordare security updates and things like apparmor not virus protection?13:35
LjLPici: yes13:35
LjLgord: no, they aren't, not under any standard definition of "virus protection"13:35
gord[citation needed]13:36
gordwait, do you mean we need to ship norton anti-virus like things?13:36
PiciWell, if you want to get into semantics, I suppose virus protection != anti-virus.13:37
bazhangit's marketing, of course it's lies.13:37
gordon ubuntu, we take steps such as security updates and apparmor to protect against viruses and other threats, thus, virus protection13:37
Picigord: I suppose.13:37
LjLhow does apparmor protect against viruses exactly anyway, since afaik it just applies profiles to the apps shipped with Ubuntu? if i infect the machine, apparmor won't do a thing about it unless i'm much mistaken13:38
PiciAlso... if someone asked me if they were protected against viruses on Linux, I'd probably say yes.13:38
gordapparmor isn't a perfect solution - <user> can still install random crap - but thats true of anything13:39
LjLit's not a matter of being a perfect solution or not, it's a matter of not having anything to do with *viruses*13:40
LjLit protects against exploits13:40
gordright, your talking about removing viruses after infection, thats not the only way of protecting the user against viruses13:40
PiciIts sort of like IDS vs. IPS13:41
Pici(don't look too closely into that analogy)13:41
gordthere is prevention and removal, you can claim that ubuntus protection isn't good enough, but you can't claim it does not attempt to protect at all13:41
ikoniabe nice just to see it worded a little more honest13:42
ikonia"there are fewer virus's written for linux, reducing your risk" rather than ubuntu offers virus protection, so your safe13:42
PiciLjL just asked about it in -offtopuc, which is probably where this conversation belongs anyway.13:42
Picialso, early, spelling, etc.13:42
popeyum, unrelated to ubuntu, but cluefull people are here... how can I set a channel (which is no longer needed/used) to forward to a new channel?13:48
ikonia+I ?13:48
ikoniaahh, no13:48
popeyso if people join #a they end up in #b13:48
bazhangask some staffers lurking about here?13:49
LjLpopey: /cs set #channel mlock +if #channel213:50
popeythanks!13:50
popeythen kick everyone?13:51
bazhangor ask them to part?13:52
jussipopey: /msg chanserv clear #channel users13:53
Picipopey: You'll need to be opped in #channel2, or have #channel2 be +F for it to work.13:54
nhandlerpopey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/MovingChannels13:55
PiciSure... wiki pages are good too.13:55
LjLespecially those i wrote! :P13:57
* LjL forgot13:57
Pici!pamerror is <reply> If you're receiving 404 errors while updating pam today, the developers have identified a package regression and have pulled the update. For details see http://goo.gl/ZD0Lk14:02
ubottuI'll remember that, Pici14:02
PiciWill the bot parse its own bug links?14:03
PiciI forget if its set as an outfilter.14:04
* Pici tests14:05
Pici!pamerror is <reply> If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/79053814:05
ubottuUbuntu bug 790538 in pam (Ubuntu) "pam update causes cron to stop working with "Module is unknown" error" [Critical,Confirmed]14:05
ubottuBut pamerror already means something else!14:05
Pici!pambug is <reply> If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/79053814:06
ubottuI'll remember that, Pici14:06
Pici!pambug14:06
ubottuIf you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/79053814:06
Pici!forget pambug14:06
ubottuI'll forget that, Pici14:06
ts2the bot won't parse messages it sends14:08
Picits2: okay.14:08
Pici!pamerror ~= s#http.*#https://launchpad.net/bugs/790538#14:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 790538 in pam (Ubuntu) "pam update causes cron to stop working with "Module is unknown" error" [Critical,Confirmed]14:09
ubottuI'll remember that Pici14:09
PiciAlso, sorry for the noise, I thought I was doing the modifications in my ubottu window.14:09
SUGsorry guys14:09
SUGthat's not my sementics14:10
SUGplz forgive me14:10
ikoniano14:10
ikoniajungli this is unacceptale14:10
ikoniayour behaviour has once again been reported to freenode14:10
SUGikonia: you dunno any thing which happer few hours later14:11
ikoniaSUG: I'm not interested14:11
SUGhapper/happen14:11
ikoniaSUG: please leave this channel and keep out of the ubuntu channels - you are NOT welcome14:11
SUGbazhang: IdleOne sorry guys plz forgive me14:11
ikoniaSUG: please leave this channel and do not try to join #ubuntu channels14:12
Pici*yawn*14:14
ikoniayup14:14
ikoniasooner he's kicked off the network and forgotten about the better14:14
Picier, since when was !controls entire unhelpful?14:19
Picis/entire/entirely/14:19
LjLPici: it says you last edited it :P14:22
PiciI know. It was jussi before that though.14:22
LjLthat pesky australofinn14:22
PiciLjL: I changed s/In/Starting in/ before I realized that it wasn't linking to a good place.14:23
Pici!controls s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633#14:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532633 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "[Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment" [Wishlist,Won't fix]14:26
ubottuPici: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)14:26
Pici!controls =~ s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633#14:26
ubottuI'll remember that Pici14:26
LjLPici: it originally linked to http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side14:26
PiciLjL: Looks like that 404s now.14:27
LjLi see14:27
ikoniawhy we link to external pages when they should be made into wiki pages I don't know14:29
Piciikonia: pad.lv is a url-shortener for launchpad14:29
ikoniaI meant the http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side14:30
ikoniawhich is what used to be used14:30
LjLbecause we're too lazy to make them wiki pages?14:30
ikoniapossibly14:31
ikonia?14:31
ikoniamaybe we could tie in more with the docs team14:31
LjLis there still a docs team? judging from the state of the wiki, i thought not ;(14:31
ikoniaha ha ha14:32
nhandlerLjL: The Doc team works on help.ubuntu.com/community and the system docs. wiki.ubuntu.com is the team wiki.14:39
Piciteam wiki?14:40
nhandlerPici: Teams use it for their wiki pages and projects.14:42
Picinhandler: I see... I think/14:42
nhandlerPici: I just refer to them as the "wiki", "community help wiki", and "system docs"14:43
LjLi know that14:53
LjLi just refer to both as wiki14:53
vibhavummm.... Done?14:53
vibhavhello?14:54
LjLwhat?14:54
vibhavyou know what14:54
LjLok then i do14:54
vibhavwhat does that mean?14:55
LjLyou know what it means14:55
LjL(i guess)14:55
LjL(just as much as i know what, anyway)14:55
vibhav(In simple words , Am I unbanned?14:55
ikoniano14:55
Picivibhav: Were you dealing with any particular op in.. nevermind14:55
ikoniaha ha14:56
vibhav:*(14:56
ikoniavibhav: I'm sorry, but I keep having to ask you to do things 10 times, and you still keep coming back, despite being warned that...14:56
ikoniaoh, he's gone14:56
PiciBut we have rww in his place.14:58
oCeanwhen not logged in, bantracker says    Join #ubuntu-ops on irc.freenode.net to descuss bans14:58
ikoniaI'll take that14:58
oCeannow descuss14:58
rwwPici: and now you don't!15:10
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (nikolaibo appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY)15:30
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micahgmy apologies for idling17:03
Sugsorry ops17:09
Sugforgive me plz17:09
PiciSug: I think we've been through this already.17:10
Sugno i don't want to unbanned on ubuntu17:10
Sugi say sorry for my behaviour17:10
Sugsorry17:11
Picimaco: taowa has been asking about a cloak for at least two hours now.17:12
macooh17:13
PiciI'd assume that #freenode told him to wait 2 weeks, as he hasn't gotten one there after asking and speaking to a staffer in private.17:13
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (cvw-a appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY)18:17
vibhavhey ikonia I have a reason why I gave those Links....18:31
vibhavhi guys18:32
ikoniavibhav: sorry what ?18:32
vibhav I have a reason why I gave those Links....18:32
ikoniaerrrrr, it's a bit late now18:32
vibhavikonia, Listen for now18:32
ikoniano thanks18:32
ikoniayou had no reason at the time18:32
vibhavikonia, I thought about it18:33
vibhavikonia, I was too tense at that time18:33
ikoniaI'm not really interested to be honest18:33
ikoniayes, I'm not interested18:33
ikoniaat the time you where just posting random links, it got you banned18:33
vibhavikonia, I was not posting random links18:33
ikoniataking 4 days to think it over and come up with an excuse is of no interest to me18:33
vibhavikonia, You gave sahip a hcl list , but I was willing to give sahip best hardware18:34
vibhavikonia, for linux18:34
ikoniayou even admit you hadn't read the links, so I'm not sure why you're even trying to come up with an excuse18:34
ikoniavibhav: please stop wasting my time with excuses, you hadn't read the links, and just posted them out to a user18:34
ikoniaI asked you to stop 2 more times and you did it again18:34
ikonialets not go through this again18:34
vibhavThe link did not tell what hardware to buy , but it recommended what vendors what it should use18:35
ikoniaplease stop18:35
ikoniathe links where useless and you admitted you hadn't even read them18:35
ikoniaso please stop trying to justify it now, it shows how much you've missed the point of why you where banned18:35
vibhavthey were not18:35
vibhavAnd I came to know my NAS uses the same hardware...18:36
ikoniaok - so a hardware compatability list for the first version of the 2.6 kernel from 2004 is valid now ?18:36
ikoniais that what you're saying18:36
vibhavThe Link did not say buy a "ABC" Harddisk or a "XYZ" CPU , But it recommended to buy Hardware from "ABC" Company18:37
ikoniaand I'm not sure how you can say you used those links to buy your nas as you said the other day you didn't even read the links18:37
PiciIts fine to say that you don't know when someone asks a question. You don't need to try to find information that you may not understand and throw it at the user.18:37
ikoniaPici: exactly,18:37
* Pici will now let ikonia handle the rest18:37
ikoniaif you don't know the answer, just don't offer info18:37
ikoniaPici: no, you're spot on18:37
vibhavI was just trying to be helpful18:38
ikoniaposting random links to people that you've not even read just doesn't help18:38
ikoniavibhav: yes, but I had to ask you 3 times to stop, which ended up in a ban because you wouldn't stop18:38
vibhavAnd I said "hey sahip , you can refer to these : .........."18:38
ikoniabut you CAN'T refer to them18:38
ikoniathey are invalid18:38
vibhavAnd I DID NOT SAY "hey sahip , this is the best hardware......"18:39
ikoniaone was from 2004 - hardware support has changed a lot since then18:39
ikoniayou're not listening18:39
ikoniano-one said you did18:39
ikoniathis is the other part of the problem18:39
IdleOnethe point is not what you said but how irrelevant the info you gave was.18:39
ikoniayou offered invalid/incorrect advice from a web page to someone looking for support18:39
vibhavNo it was not incorrect18:39
ikoniaif he had looked at purchasing hardware/had problems that link was incorrect18:39
vibhavIt was partly correct18:39
LjLvibhav: how could you know? you hadn't READ it at the time18:39
ikoniait was not correct18:40
IdleOne6.5 year old info on best hardware is hardly helpful18:40
ikoniayou didn't even read them18:40
ikoniaas LjL has just pointed out by typing faster18:40
vibhavLjL,  I am talking to ikonia  now18:40
ikoniavibhav: ljl is right though18:40
vibhavIdleOne, That goes  to you too18:40
ikoniayou didn't read the links, so you didn't even know how valid it was18:40
ikoniavibhav: they are both correct18:40
LjLvibhav: and you're also going in circles, and this is annoying *me*18:40
vibhavikonia,  I have somee sense to read , I read some bits which sounded good to me....18:41
ikoniayou didn't read it18:41
ikoniayou even admitted you didn't read it18:41
ikoniavibhav: look - take some time out and think about what you offer to people in #ubuntu18:41
ikoniaI can change the ban in #ubuntu to a mute, so you can join the channel again and watch how others help18:41
vibhavikonia, OK18:42
ikoniaget an idea for how people offer advice they know, or if they offer research, it's checked out research (mostly)18:42
ikoniagreat18:42
ikoniavibhav: you can now join #ubuntu, but you won't be able to speak in the channel18:43
ikoniatake some time to watch the info going past and how it applies to people asking questions18:43
vibhavok18:43
ikoniavibhav: if people talk to you (as in this channel) please please, try to actually listen to the message they are giving you18:43
ikoniadon't twist it around to try to justify your actions, it's ok to make mistakes or not know the answer18:44
vibhavAs you wish18:44
ikoniaok, well I guess we are done here for the moment18:44
vibhav:*(18:44
ikoniaif you'd like to leave this channel and join #ubuntu to observe, that would be great18:44
vibhav* Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).18:45
ikoniaooh, one moment, I may have missed a ban18:45
ikoniatry now please18:45
ikoniaLjL: thank you, I missed that18:46
vibhavthank you guys18:46
ikoniathank you18:46
vibhavI am unmute18:47
ikoniano, you're not18:47
ikoniayou can't speak in the channel18:47
vibhavohh.. thats fone then18:47
vibhavfine18:47
ikoniagreat18:47
vibhavIf I prove that I will not do it again  can my ban be shortened18:48
CarlFKI am pretty sure it is not possible to prove future behavior18:48
ikoniathere is no proof, as you can't speak, just take a little time to watch the channel18:48
vibhavpleaseeee.....18:49
ikoniavibhav: what did I say about not listening18:49
ikoniaI told you what to do the other day, and you came in arguing your ban duration18:49
vibhavUnmute me for some time , and ill prove to you that I can really help....18:49
ikoniaall you had to do is follow what you where told - the ban is your own fault and increased for your own problems18:49
ikoniafollow the instructions you've been given18:49
CarlFKvibhav: do you have a launchpad account?18:50
ikoniatake some time and follow the conversation in the channel18:50
vibhavCarlFK,  Yeah , and I have signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct18:50
vibhavAnd I am identified18:50
CarlFKvibhav: what is your lp username?18:50
CarlFKI am curious what you participate in18:50
vibhav email is vibhavp@gmail.com18:51
vibhavand username at the ubuntu fourms is infinitybot18:51
CarlFKhttps://launchpad.net/~vibhavp  is this you?18:52
vibhavwait18:52
vibhavslow internet18:52
vibhavyeah this is my account18:52
CarlFKk. thanks.18:53
vibhavwhy did you want to know that CarlFK ?18:53
CarlFKI am curious what you participate in18:54
vibhavI did not partcipate in anything , but I am working on my PPA18:54
CarlFKno problem.  my curiosity is satisfied.18:55
CarlFKI suggest you part this channel.18:55
vibhavOK , I Respect your decisions ,18:56
vibhavBye18:56
ikoniafor someone needing his ban removed so quickly he then quit19:02
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MagizianI completely revamped the magizian underground today.. if interested in new developments, browse http://magizian.hopto.org21:27
Piciuh21:27
hypatiaban?21:27
PiciDid they do it elsewhere too?21:28
ikoniaidiot21:32
Tm_Thow rude21:33
ikoniasorry, but it's the truth21:33
ikoniathis guy keeps joining, making these statments and parting21:34
hypatiayeah it's just kinda odd21:34
hypatiahence the suggestion to ban :)21:34
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elkyIdleOne, your fanclub called.23:39
IdleOnemy fanclub?23:39
IdleOneI think that was more about getting staff attention. I just got caught in the cross fire23:40
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