[06:16] <sug> why i am here ?
[06:16] <sug> :'( what i done wrong
[06:16] <rww> one sec
[06:16] <bazhang> jungli
[06:16] <sug> jungli ?
[06:16] <rww> Ah. Rampant violation of network protocol via wilful ban-evasion.
[06:16] <sug> when ?
[06:17] <bazhang> earlier today
[06:17] <sug> i want to know about myth ubuntu
[06:17] <sug> what is that ?
[06:17] <IdleOne> use a search engine
[06:18] <sug> no no which wm is install in i ?
[06:18] <sug> i/it
[06:18] <bazhang> sug, hi
[06:18] <sug> guys you all are mad i am not jungli
[06:19] <rww> uh huh
[06:19] <bazhang> sug, this is not a support channel.
[06:19] <sug> i have to instaal master shaper on it
[06:19] <rww> Shame. Perhaps you shouldn't have pooped where you eat. Or get technical support. Or something.
[06:20] <sug> but tell me which wm is on mythubuntu
[06:20] <IdleOne> sug: Please part this channel and stop wasting our time.
[06:20] <bazhang> sug, try a search engine. mythtv and ubuntu
[06:20] <sug> sorry but i am not jungli you ppl are thing wrong
[06:21] <sug> bye
[06:21] <rww> I wonder why he bothers denying it.
[06:22]  * rww shrugs, goes back to food
[06:22] <Tm_T> because it causes more mess?
[06:22] <bazhang> at least it's not his mom
[06:27] <sug> fuck you all mofos
[06:27] <Tm_T> <3
[06:28] <IdleOne> If you were drinking tea right now, you would not be speaking.
[06:29] <IdleOne> :)
 tom4ficus: LIGHT IT ON FIRE AND IGNORE IT!
[06:30] <rww> IdleOne has ruined tea forever.
[06:30] <IdleOne> I can change it to Snapple
[06:31] <IdleOne> made from the best stuff on earth!
[06:31] <Tm_T> IdleOne: change it to kapsi
[06:31] <rww> high fructose corn syrup?
[06:31] <IdleOne> Tm_T: I don't know what kapsi is
[06:32] <Tm_T> mix of coffee and pepsi (or any cola)
[06:32] <IdleOne> sounds gross
[06:32] <Tm_T> try and find out
[06:32] <bazhang> change it to molasses, makes more sense
[06:33] <Tm_T> where's the fun in making sense?
[06:33] <Flannel> You can save it for a rainy day!
[06:47] <bazhang> steviewonder seems to be less than helpful
[07:23] <sug> sorry guys
[07:23] <sug> this is not my sementics
[07:23] <sug> sorry for abusing you
[07:23] <sug> god bless you all sorry again
[08:47] <Jordan_U> Banned from viewing wikipedia?
[08:48] <Tm_T> ?
[08:48] <Jordan_U> ( reffering to a comment from zeekill in #ubuntu )
[08:49] <ikonia> !ops bacta in #ubuntu-server
[08:49] <ikonia> !ops |bacta in #ubuntu-server
[08:50] <ikonia> 4 ops for -server, great
[08:50] <Tm_T> I'm not surprised
[08:56] <soren> ikonia: I'm not sure what you're asking there.
[08:56] <soren> ikonia: To kickban him or what?
[08:56] <Tm_T> yes
[08:56] <ikonia> soren: bacta is on a namespace wide ban from all ubuntu channels
[08:56] <soren> alright
[08:57] <soren> Oh, too slow.
[08:57] <soren> Story of my life.
[08:58] <ikonia> you can still stick a ban on bacta!*@*
[08:58] <ikonia> (please)
[08:59] <soren> done
[08:59]  * Tm_T huggles soren
[08:59] <ikonia> thank you
[09:00] <Tm_T> micahg: hi, still something we can help you with?
[10:00] <ikonia> !idle | micahg
[10:01] <soren> ikonia: It's 4 AM in micahg-land. Just FYI.
[10:02] <ikonia> danke
[10:02] <ikonia> maybe someone should remove him until he's active
[10:06] <soren> He's actually an op in #ubuntu-hardened, apparantly.
[10:06] <ikonia> interesting
[12:59] <LjL> i find it awful that the Ubuntu site screams "built-in virus protection" :(
[12:59] <LjL> or for that matter, "free updates for life". says who?
[12:59] <bazhang> for the life of the website
[13:00] <ikonia> LjL: ubuntu.com says built in virus protection
[13:00] <ikonia> ?
[13:00] <LjL> ikonia: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[13:01] <LjL> so much marketing crap
[13:01] <LjL> "With Ubuntu, you can do everything you can do with other operating systems. But faster."
[13:01] <ikonia> pretty poor
[13:01] <ikonia> I can now see why the #ubuntu-adverts team feel it appropriate to say the tosh they do
[13:02] <bazhang> is that the team that wanted to add to the topic of #ubuntu ?
[13:02] <ikonia> yes,
[13:02] <ikonia> but I can see why they feel it appropriate to write what they did, based on the nonsense ubuntu.com is spouting
[13:28] <gord> "<LjL> or for that matter, "free updates for life". says who?" <-- mark?
[13:29] <LjL> gord: and mark can actually make a promise that throughout my life i will get free updates?
[13:29] <gord> LjL, your reading in to the wording, the updates are free for life, not you will get updates all through your life
[13:30] <Pici> It says free upgrades for life
[13:30] <bazhang> for the life of that version
[13:30] <Pici> I think it means from one release to the next, not necessarily within a release.
[13:30] <Pici> The picture next to it looks like CD cases anyway.
[13:31] <LjL> gord: anyway the virus protection thing is complete crap.
[13:31] <Pici> Unless you count GNU/Linux as being virus protection, but thats stretching the definition a bit.
[13:32] <gord> i disagree
[13:32] <Pici> gord: On which part?
[13:32] <gord> people are worried about viruses, viruses are not a problem on ubuntu, so you distil it down for them. maybe we could offer people a 20 page pdf about the pro's/con's of viruses on linux but that is hardly going to get people to try ubuntu
[13:33] <Pici> Although maybe if you're talking about AppArmor..
[13:33] <gord> your just being picky
[13:33] <LjL> gord: you could have said "There are no viruses" or something
[13:33] <LjL> gord: "Virus protection" means there is virus protection
[13:33] <LjL> and that's not being picky, that's reading things how they're written
[13:33] <LjL> you don't HAVE to defend their silly marketing claims you know
[13:33] <Pici> LjL: Woudl you say that the explanation under 'Secure' on this page is better worded: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features ?
[13:34] <Pici> LjL: Its about halfway down the page on the left.
[13:35] <gord> are security updates and things like apparmor not virus protection?
[13:35] <LjL> Pici: yes
[13:35] <LjL> gord: no, they aren't, not under any standard definition of "virus protection"
[13:36] <gord> [citation needed]
[13:36] <gord> wait, do you mean we need to ship norton anti-virus like things?
[13:37] <Pici> Well, if you want to get into semantics, I suppose virus protection != anti-virus.
[13:37] <bazhang> it's marketing, of course it's lies.
[13:37] <gord> on ubuntu, we take steps such as security updates and apparmor to protect against viruses and other threats, thus, virus protection
[13:37] <Pici> gord: I suppose.
[13:38] <LjL> how does apparmor protect against viruses exactly anyway, since afaik it just applies profiles to the apps shipped with Ubuntu? if i infect the machine, apparmor won't do a thing about it unless i'm much mistaken
[13:38] <Pici> Also... if someone asked me if they were protected against viruses on Linux, I'd probably say yes.
[13:39] <gord> apparmor isn't a perfect solution - <user> can still install random crap - but thats true of anything
[13:40] <LjL> it's not a matter of being a perfect solution or not, it's a matter of not having anything to do with *viruses*
[13:40] <LjL> it protects against exploits
[13:40] <gord> right, your talking about removing viruses after infection, thats not the only way of protecting the user against viruses
[13:41] <Pici> Its sort of like IDS vs. IPS
[13:41] <Pici> (don't look too closely into that analogy)
[13:41] <gord> there is prevention and removal, you can claim that ubuntus protection isn't good enough, but you can't claim it does not attempt to protect at all
[13:42] <ikonia> be nice just to see it worded a little more honest
[13:42] <ikonia> "there are fewer virus's written for linux, reducing your risk" rather than ubuntu offers virus protection, so your safe
[13:42] <Pici> LjL just asked about it in -offtopuc, which is probably where this conversation belongs anyway.
[13:42] <Pici> also, early, spelling, etc.
[13:48] <popey> um, unrelated to ubuntu, but cluefull people are here... how can I set a channel (which is no longer needed/used) to forward to a new channel?
[13:48] <ikonia> +I ?
[13:48] <ikonia> ahh, no
[13:48] <popey> so if people join #a they end up in #b
[13:49] <bazhang> ask some staffers lurking about here?
[13:50] <LjL> popey: /cs set #channel mlock +if #channel2
[13:50] <popey> thanks!
[13:51] <popey> then kick everyone?
[13:52] <bazhang> or ask them to part?
[13:53] <jussi> popey: /msg chanserv clear #channel users
[13:54] <Pici> popey: You'll need to be opped in #channel2, or have #channel2 be +F for it to work.
[13:55] <nhandler> popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/MovingChannels
[13:55] <Pici> Sure... wiki pages are good too.
[13:57] <LjL> especially those i wrote! :P
[13:57]  * LjL forgot
[14:02] <Pici> !pamerror is <reply> If you're receiving 404 errors while updating pam today, the developers have identified a package regression and have pulled the update. For details see http://goo.gl/ZD0Lk
[14:03] <Pici> Will the bot parse its own bug links?
[14:04] <Pici> I forget if its set as an outfilter.
[14:05]  * Pici tests
[14:05] <Pici> !pamerror is <reply> If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538
[14:06] <Pici> !pambug is <reply> If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538
[14:06] <Pici> !pambug
[14:06] <Pici> !forget pambug
[14:08] <ts2> the bot won't parse messages it sends
[14:08] <Pici> ts2: okay.
[14:09] <Pici> !pamerror ~= s#http.*#https://launchpad.net/bugs/790538#
[14:09] <Pici> Also, sorry for the noise, I thought I was doing the modifications in my ubottu window.
[14:09] <SUG> sorry guys
[14:10] <SUG> that's not my sementics
[14:10] <SUG> plz forgive me
[14:10] <ikonia> no
[14:10] <ikonia> jungli this is unacceptale
[14:10] <ikonia> your behaviour has once again been reported to freenode
[14:11] <SUG> ikonia: you dunno any thing which happer few hours later
[14:11] <ikonia> SUG: I'm not interested
[14:11] <SUG> happer/happen
[14:11] <ikonia> SUG: please leave this channel and keep out of the ubuntu channels - you are NOT welcome
[14:11] <SUG> bazhang: IdleOne sorry guys plz forgive me
[14:12] <ikonia> SUG: please leave this channel and do not try to join #ubuntu channels
[14:14] <Pici> *yawn*
[14:14] <ikonia> yup
[14:14] <ikonia> sooner he's kicked off the network and forgotten about the better
[14:19] <Pici> er, since when was !controls entire unhelpful?
[14:19] <Pici> s/entire/entirely/
[14:22] <LjL> Pici: it says you last edited it :P
[14:22] <Pici> I know. It was jussi before that though.
[14:22] <LjL> that pesky australofinn
[14:23] <Pici> LjL: I changed s/In/Starting in/ before I realized that it wasn't linking to a good place.
[14:26] <Pici> !controls s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633#
[14:26] <Pici> !controls =~ s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633#
[14:26] <LjL> Pici: it originally linked to http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[14:27] <Pici> LjL: Looks like that 404s now.
[14:27] <LjL> i see
[14:29] <ikonia> why we link to external pages when they should be made into wiki pages I don't know
[14:29] <Pici> ikonia: pad.lv is a url-shortener for launchpad
[14:30] <ikonia> I meant the http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[14:30] <ikonia> which is what used to be used
[14:30] <LjL> because we're too lazy to make them wiki pages?
[14:31] <ikonia> possibly
[14:31] <ikonia> ?
[14:31] <ikonia> maybe we could tie in more with the docs team
[14:31] <LjL> is there still a docs team? judging from the state of the wiki, i thought not ;(
[14:32] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[14:39] <nhandler> LjL: The Doc team works on help.ubuntu.com/community and the system docs. wiki.ubuntu.com is the team wiki.
[14:40] <Pici> team wiki?
[14:42] <nhandler> Pici: Teams use it for their wiki pages and projects.
[14:42] <Pici> nhandler: I see... I think/
[14:43] <nhandler> Pici: I just refer to them as the "wiki", "community help wiki", and "system docs"
[14:53] <LjL> i know that
[14:53] <LjL> i just refer to both as wiki
[14:53] <vibhav> ummm.... Done?
[14:54] <vibhav> hello?
[14:54] <LjL> what?
[14:54] <vibhav> you know what
[14:54] <LjL> ok then i do
[14:55] <vibhav> what does that mean?
[14:55] <LjL> you know what it means
[14:55] <LjL> (i guess)
[14:55] <LjL> (just as much as i know what, anyway)
[14:55] <vibhav> (In simple words , Am I unbanned?
[14:55] <ikonia> no
[14:55] <Pici> vibhav: Were you dealing with any particular op in.. nevermind
[14:56] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:56] <vibhav> :*(
[14:56] <ikonia> vibhav: I'm sorry, but I keep having to ask you to do things 10 times, and you still keep coming back, despite being warned that...
[14:56] <ikonia> oh, he's gone
[14:58] <Pici> But we have rww in his place.
[14:58] <oCean> when not logged in, bantracker says    Join #ubuntu-ops on irc.freenode.net to descuss bans
[14:58] <ikonia> I'll take that
[14:58] <oCean> now descuss
[15:10] <rww> Pici: and now you don't!
[17:03] <micahg> my apologies for idling
[17:09] <Sug> sorry ops
[17:09] <Sug> forgive me plz
[17:10] <Pici> Sug: I think we've been through this already.
[17:10] <Sug> no i don't want to unbanned on ubuntu
[17:10] <Sug> i say sorry for my behaviour
[17:11] <Sug> sorry
[17:12] <Pici> maco: taowa has been asking about a cloak for at least two hours now.
[17:13] <maco> oh
[17:13] <Pici> I'd assume that #freenode told him to wait 2 weeks, as he hasn't gotten one there after asking and speaking to a staffer in private.
[18:31] <vibhav> hey ikonia I have a reason why I gave those Links....
[18:32] <vibhav> hi guys
[18:32] <ikonia> vibhav: sorry what ?
[18:32] <vibhav>  I have a reason why I gave those Links....
[18:32] <ikonia> errrrr, it's a bit late now
[18:32] <vibhav> ikonia, Listen for now
[18:32] <ikonia> no thanks
[18:32] <ikonia> you had no reason at the time
[18:33] <vibhav> ikonia, I thought about it
[18:33] <vibhav> ikonia, I was too tense at that time
[18:33] <ikonia> I'm not really interested to be honest
[18:33] <ikonia> yes, I'm not interested
[18:33] <ikonia> at the time you where just posting random links, it got you banned
[18:33] <vibhav> ikonia, I was not posting random links
[18:33] <ikonia> taking 4 days to think it over and come up with an excuse is of no interest to me
[18:34] <vibhav> ikonia, You gave sahip a hcl list , but I was willing to give sahip best hardware
[18:34] <vibhav> ikonia, for linux
[18:34] <ikonia> you even admit you hadn't read the links, so I'm not sure why you're even trying to come up with an excuse
[18:34] <ikonia> vibhav: please stop wasting my time with excuses, you hadn't read the links, and just posted them out to a user
[18:34] <ikonia> I asked you to stop 2 more times and you did it again
[18:34] <ikonia> lets not go through this again
[18:35] <vibhav> The link did not tell what hardware to buy , but it recommended what vendors what it should use
[18:35] <ikonia> please stop
[18:35] <ikonia> the links where useless and you admitted you hadn't even read them
[18:35] <ikonia> so please stop trying to justify it now, it shows how much you've missed the point of why you where banned
[18:35] <vibhav> they were not
[18:36] <vibhav> And I came to know my NAS uses the same hardware...
[18:36] <ikonia> ok - so a hardware compatability list for the first version of the 2.6 kernel from 2004 is valid now ?
[18:36] <ikonia> is that what you're saying
[18:37] <vibhav> The Link did not say buy a "ABC" Harddisk or a "XYZ" CPU , But it recommended to buy Hardware from "ABC" Company
[18:37] <ikonia> and I'm not sure how you can say you used those links to buy your nas as you said the other day you didn't even read the links
[18:37] <Pici> Its fine to say that you don't know when someone asks a question. You don't need to try to find information that you may not understand and throw it at the user.
[18:37] <ikonia> Pici: exactly,
[18:37]  * Pici will now let ikonia handle the rest
[18:37] <ikonia> if you don't know the answer, just don't offer info
[18:37] <ikonia> Pici: no, you're spot on
[18:38] <vibhav> I was just trying to be helpful
[18:38] <ikonia> posting random links to people that you've not even read just doesn't help
[18:38] <ikonia> vibhav: yes, but I had to ask you 3 times to stop, which ended up in a ban because you wouldn't stop
[18:38] <vibhav> And I said "hey sahip , you can refer to these : .........."
[18:38] <ikonia> but you CAN'T refer to them
[18:38] <ikonia> they are invalid
[18:39] <vibhav> And I DID NOT SAY "hey sahip , this is the best hardware......"
[18:39] <ikonia> one was from 2004 - hardware support has changed a lot since then
[18:39] <ikonia> you're not listening
[18:39] <ikonia> no-one said you did
[18:39] <ikonia> this is the other part of the problem
[18:39] <IdleOne> the point is not what you said but how irrelevant the info you gave was.
[18:39] <ikonia> you offered invalid/incorrect advice from a web page to someone looking for support
[18:39] <vibhav> No it was not incorrect
[18:39] <ikonia> if he had looked at purchasing hardware/had problems that link was incorrect
[18:39] <vibhav> It was partly correct
[18:39] <LjL> vibhav: how could you know? you hadn't READ it at the time
[18:40] <ikonia> it was not correct
[18:40] <IdleOne> 6.5 year old info on best hardware is hardly helpful
[18:40] <ikonia> you didn't even read them
[18:40] <ikonia> as LjL has just pointed out by typing faster
[18:40] <vibhav> LjL,  I am talking to ikonia  now
[18:40] <ikonia> vibhav: ljl is right though
[18:40] <vibhav> IdleOne, That goes  to you too
[18:40] <ikonia> you didn't read the links, so you didn't even know how valid it was
[18:40] <ikonia> vibhav: they are both correct
[18:40] <LjL> vibhav: and you're also going in circles, and this is annoying *me*
[18:41] <vibhav> ikonia,  I have somee sense to read , I read some bits which sounded good to me....
[18:41] <ikonia> you didn't read it
[18:41] <ikonia> you even admitted you didn't read it
[18:41] <ikonia> vibhav: look - take some time out and think about what you offer to people in #ubuntu
[18:41] <ikonia> I can change the ban in #ubuntu to a mute, so you can join the channel again and watch how others help
[18:42] <vibhav> ikonia, OK
[18:42] <ikonia> get an idea for how people offer advice they know, or if they offer research, it's checked out research (mostly)
[18:42] <ikonia> great
[18:43] <ikonia> vibhav: you can now join #ubuntu, but you won't be able to speak in the channel
[18:43] <ikonia> take some time to watch the info going past and how it applies to people asking questions
[18:43] <vibhav> ok
[18:43] <ikonia> vibhav: if people talk to you (as in this channel) please please, try to actually listen to the message they are giving you
[18:44] <ikonia> don't twist it around to try to justify your actions, it's ok to make mistakes or not know the answer
[18:44] <vibhav> As you wish
[18:44] <ikonia> ok, well I guess we are done here for the moment
[18:44] <vibhav> :*(
[18:44] <ikonia> if you'd like to leave this channel and join #ubuntu to observe, that would be great
[18:45] <vibhav> * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned).
[18:45] <ikonia> ooh, one moment, I may have missed a ban
[18:45] <ikonia> try now please
[18:46] <ikonia> LjL: thank you, I missed that
[18:46] <vibhav> thank you guys
[18:46] <ikonia> thank you
[18:47] <vibhav> I am unmute
[18:47] <ikonia> no, you're not
[18:47] <ikonia> you can't speak in the channel
[18:47] <vibhav> ohh.. thats fone then
[18:47] <vibhav> fine
[18:47] <ikonia> great
[18:48] <vibhav> If I prove that I will not do it again  can my ban be shortened
[18:48] <CarlFK> I am pretty sure it is not possible to prove future behavior
[18:48] <ikonia> there is no proof, as you can't speak, just take a little time to watch the channel
[18:49] <vibhav> pleaseeee.....
[18:49] <ikonia> vibhav: what did I say about not listening
[18:49] <ikonia> I told you what to do the other day, and you came in arguing your ban duration
[18:49] <vibhav> Unmute me for some time , and ill prove to you that I can really help....
[18:49] <ikonia> all you had to do is follow what you where told - the ban is your own fault and increased for your own problems
[18:49] <ikonia> follow the instructions you've been given
[18:50] <CarlFK> vibhav: do you have a launchpad account?
[18:50] <ikonia> take some time and follow the conversation in the channel
[18:50] <vibhav> CarlFK,  Yeah , and I have signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[18:50] <vibhav> And I am identified
[18:50] <CarlFK> vibhav: what is your lp username?
[18:50] <CarlFK> I am curious what you participate in
[18:51] <vibhav>  email is vibhavp@gmail.com
[18:51] <vibhav> and username at the ubuntu fourms is infinitybot
[18:52] <CarlFK> https://launchpad.net/~vibhavp  is this you?
[18:52] <vibhav> wait
[18:52] <vibhav> slow internet
[18:52] <vibhav> yeah this is my account
[18:53] <CarlFK> k. thanks.
[18:53] <vibhav> why did you want to know that CarlFK ?
[18:54] <CarlFK> I am curious what you participate in
[18:54] <vibhav> I did not partcipate in anything , but I am working on my PPA
[18:55] <CarlFK> no problem.  my curiosity is satisfied.
[18:55] <CarlFK> I suggest you part this channel.
[18:56] <vibhav> OK , I Respect your decisions ,
[18:56] <vibhav> Bye
[19:02] <ikonia> for someone needing his ban removed so quickly he then quit
[21:27] <Magizian> I completely revamped the magizian underground today.. if interested in new developments, browse http://magizian.hopto.org
[21:27] <Pici> uh
[21:27] <hypatia> ban?
[21:28] <Pici> Did they do it elsewhere too?
[21:32] <ikonia> idiot
[21:33] <Tm_T> how rude
[21:33] <ikonia> sorry, but it's the truth
[21:34] <ikonia> this guy keeps joining, making these statments and parting
[21:34] <hypatia> yeah it's just kinda odd
[21:34] <hypatia> hence the suggestion to ban :)
[22:50] <rww> !away > Githz|away
[23:39] <elky> IdleOne, your fanclub called.
[23:39] <IdleOne> my fanclub?
[23:40] <IdleOne> I think that was more about getting staff attention. I just got caught in the cross fire
[23:40] <elky> IdleOne, someone requested your assistance with their potty time.