=== Tm_K is now known as Tm_T [06:16] why i am here ? [06:16] :'( what i done wrong [06:16] one sec [06:16] jungli [06:16] jungli ? [06:16] Ah. Rampant violation of network protocol via wilful ban-evasion. [06:16] when ? [06:17] earlier today [06:17] i want to know about myth ubuntu [06:17] what is that ? [06:17] use a search engine [06:18] no no which wm is install in i ? [06:18] i/it [06:18] sug, hi [06:18] guys you all are mad i am not jungli [06:19] uh huh [06:19] sug, this is not a support channel. [06:19] i have to instaal master shaper on it [06:19] Shame. Perhaps you shouldn't have pooped where you eat. Or get technical support. Or something. [06:20] but tell me which wm is on mythubuntu [06:20] sug: Please part this channel and stop wasting our time. [06:20] sug, try a search engine. mythtv and ubuntu [06:20] sorry but i am not jungli you ppl are thing wrong [06:21] bye [06:21] I wonder why he bothers denying it. [06:22] * rww shrugs, goes back to food [06:22] because it causes more mess? [06:22] at least it's not his mom [06:27] fuck you all mofos [06:27] <3 [06:28] If you were drinking tea right now, you would not be speaking. [06:29] :) [06:30] tom4ficus: LIGHT IT ON FIRE AND IGNORE IT! [06:30] IdleOne has ruined tea forever. [06:30] I can change it to Snapple [06:31] made from the best stuff on earth! [06:31] IdleOne: change it to kapsi [06:31] high fructose corn syrup? [06:31] Tm_T: I don't know what kapsi is [06:32] mix of coffee and pepsi (or any cola) [06:32] sounds gross [06:32] try and find out [06:32] change it to molasses, makes more sense [06:33] where's the fun in making sense? [06:33] You can save it for a rainy day! [06:47] steviewonder seems to be less than helpful [07:23] sorry guys [07:23] this is not my sementics [07:23] sorry for abusing you [07:23] god bless you all sorry again === ldunn_fn is now known as ldunn [07:58] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (nikolaibo appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) [08:47] Banned from viewing wikipedia? [08:48] ? [08:48] ( reffering to a comment from zeekill in #ubuntu ) [08:49] !ops bacta in #ubuntu-server [08:49] ikonia: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [08:49] !ops |bacta in #ubuntu-server [08:49] bacta in #ubuntu-server: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! [08:49] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (bacta in #ubuntu-server) [08:50] ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-server (Bacta is on a namespace wide ban - please remove and speak to IRC council for confirmation) [08:50] 4 ops for -server, great [08:50] I'm not surprised [08:56] ikonia: I'm not sure what you're asking there. [08:56] ikonia: To kickban him or what? [08:56] yes [08:56] soren: bacta is on a namespace wide ban from all ubuntu channels [08:56] alright [08:57] Oh, too slow. [08:57] Story of my life. [08:58] you can still stick a ban on bacta!*@* [08:58] (please) [08:59] done [08:59] * Tm_T huggles soren [08:59] thank you [09:00] micahg: hi, still something we can help you with? [10:00] !idle | micahg [10:00] micahg: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [10:01] ikonia: It's 4 AM in micahg-land. Just FYI. [10:02] danke [10:02] maybe someone should remove him until he's active [10:06] He's actually an op in #ubuntu-hardened, apparantly. [10:06] interesting === mquin_ is now known as mquin [12:59] i find it awful that the Ubuntu site screams "built-in virus protection" :( [12:59] or for that matter, "free updates for life". says who? [12:59] for the life of the website [13:00] LjL: ubuntu.com says built in virus protection [13:00] ? [13:00] ikonia: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [13:01] so much marketing crap [13:01] "With Ubuntu, you can do everything you can do with other operating systems. But faster." [13:01] pretty poor [13:01] I can now see why the #ubuntu-adverts team feel it appropriate to say the tosh they do [13:02] is that the team that wanted to add to the topic of #ubuntu ? [13:02] yes, [13:02] but I can see why they feel it appropriate to write what they did, based on the nonsense ubuntu.com is spouting [13:28] " or for that matter, "free updates for life". says who?" <-- mark? [13:29] gord: and mark can actually make a promise that throughout my life i will get free updates? [13:29] LjL, your reading in to the wording, the updates are free for life, not you will get updates all through your life [13:30] It says free upgrades for life [13:30] for the life of that version [13:30] I think it means from one release to the next, not necessarily within a release. [13:30] The picture next to it looks like CD cases anyway. [13:31] gord: anyway the virus protection thing is complete crap. [13:31] Unless you count GNU/Linux as being virus protection, but thats stretching the definition a bit. [13:32] i disagree [13:32] gord: On which part? [13:32] people are worried about viruses, viruses are not a problem on ubuntu, so you distil it down for them. maybe we could offer people a 20 page pdf about the pro's/con's of viruses on linux but that is hardly going to get people to try ubuntu [13:33] Although maybe if you're talking about AppArmor.. [13:33] your just being picky [13:33] gord: you could have said "There are no viruses" or something [13:33] gord: "Virus protection" means there is virus protection [13:33] and that's not being picky, that's reading things how they're written [13:33] you don't HAVE to defend their silly marketing claims you know [13:33] LjL: Woudl you say that the explanation under 'Secure' on this page is better worded: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/features ? [13:34] LjL: Its about halfway down the page on the left. [13:35] are security updates and things like apparmor not virus protection? [13:35] Pici: yes [13:35] gord: no, they aren't, not under any standard definition of "virus protection" [13:36] [citation needed] [13:36] wait, do you mean we need to ship norton anti-virus like things? [13:37] Well, if you want to get into semantics, I suppose virus protection != anti-virus. [13:37] it's marketing, of course it's lies. [13:37] on ubuntu, we take steps such as security updates and apparmor to protect against viruses and other threats, thus, virus protection [13:37] gord: I suppose. [13:38] how does apparmor protect against viruses exactly anyway, since afaik it just applies profiles to the apps shipped with Ubuntu? if i infect the machine, apparmor won't do a thing about it unless i'm much mistaken [13:38] Also... if someone asked me if they were protected against viruses on Linux, I'd probably say yes. [13:39] apparmor isn't a perfect solution - can still install random crap - but thats true of anything [13:40] it's not a matter of being a perfect solution or not, it's a matter of not having anything to do with *viruses* [13:40] it protects against exploits [13:40] right, your talking about removing viruses after infection, thats not the only way of protecting the user against viruses [13:41] Its sort of like IDS vs. IPS [13:41] (don't look too closely into that analogy) [13:41] there is prevention and removal, you can claim that ubuntus protection isn't good enough, but you can't claim it does not attempt to protect at all [13:42] be nice just to see it worded a little more honest [13:42] "there are fewer virus's written for linux, reducing your risk" rather than ubuntu offers virus protection, so your safe [13:42] LjL just asked about it in -offtopuc, which is probably where this conversation belongs anyway. [13:42] also, early, spelling, etc. [13:48] um, unrelated to ubuntu, but cluefull people are here... how can I set a channel (which is no longer needed/used) to forward to a new channel? [13:48] +I ? [13:48] ahh, no [13:48] so if people join #a they end up in #b [13:49] ask some staffers lurking about here? [13:50] popey: /cs set #channel mlock +if #channel2 [13:50] thanks! [13:51] then kick everyone? [13:52] or ask them to part? [13:53] popey: /msg chanserv clear #channel users [13:54] popey: You'll need to be opped in #channel2, or have #channel2 be +F for it to work. [13:55] popey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/MovingChannels [13:55] Sure... wiki pages are good too. [13:57] especially those i wrote! :P [13:57] * LjL forgot [14:02] !pamerror is If you're receiving 404 errors while updating pam today, the developers have identified a package regression and have pulled the update. For details see http://goo.gl/ZD0Lk [14:02] I'll remember that, Pici [14:03] Will the bot parse its own bug links? [14:04] I forget if its set as an outfilter. [14:05] * Pici tests [14:05] !pamerror is If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538 [14:05] Ubuntu bug 790538 in pam (Ubuntu) "pam update causes cron to stop working with "Module is unknown" error" [Critical,Confirmed] [14:05] But pamerror already means something else! [14:06] !pambug is If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538 [14:06] I'll remember that, Pici [14:06] !pambug [14:06] If you're receiving https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538 [14:06] !forget pambug [14:06] I'll forget that, Pici [14:08] the bot won't parse messages it sends [14:08] ts2: okay. [14:09] !pamerror ~= s#http.*#https://launchpad.net/bugs/790538# [14:09] Ubuntu bug 790538 in pam (Ubuntu) "pam update causes cron to stop working with "Module is unknown" error" [Critical,Confirmed] [14:09] I'll remember that Pici [14:09] Also, sorry for the noise, I thought I was doing the modifications in my ubottu window. [14:09] sorry guys [14:10] that's not my sementics [14:10] plz forgive me [14:10] no [14:10] jungli this is unacceptale [14:10] your behaviour has once again been reported to freenode [14:11] ikonia: you dunno any thing which happer few hours later [14:11] SUG: I'm not interested [14:11] happer/happen [14:11] SUG: please leave this channel and keep out of the ubuntu channels - you are NOT welcome [14:11] bazhang: IdleOne sorry guys plz forgive me [14:12] SUG: please leave this channel and do not try to join #ubuntu channels [14:14] *yawn* [14:14] yup [14:14] sooner he's kicked off the network and forgotten about the better [14:19] er, since when was !controls entire unhelpful? [14:19] s/entire/entirely/ [14:22] Pici: it says you last edited it :P [14:22] I know. It was jussi before that though. [14:22] that pesky australofinn [14:23] LjL: I changed s/In/Starting in/ before I realized that it wasn't linking to a good place. [14:26] !controls s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633# [14:26] Launchpad bug 532633 in light-themes (Ubuntu) "[Master] Window Control buttons: position/order/alignment" [Wishlist,Won't fix] [14:26] Pici: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [14:26] !controls =~ s#, please see https.*#and workarounds, please see http://pad.lv/532633# [14:26] I'll remember that Pici [14:26] Pici: it originally linked to http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side [14:27] LjL: Looks like that 404s now. [14:27] i see [14:29] why we link to external pages when they should be made into wiki pages I don't know [14:29] ikonia: pad.lv is a url-shortener for launchpad [14:30] I meant the http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side [14:30] which is what used to be used [14:30] because we're too lazy to make them wiki pages? [14:31] possibly [14:31] ? [14:31] maybe we could tie in more with the docs team [14:31] is there still a docs team? judging from the state of the wiki, i thought not ;( [14:32] ha ha ha [14:39] LjL: The Doc team works on help.ubuntu.com/community and the system docs. wiki.ubuntu.com is the team wiki. [14:40] team wiki? [14:42] Pici: Teams use it for their wiki pages and projects. [14:42] nhandler: I see... I think/ [14:43] Pici: I just refer to them as the "wiki", "community help wiki", and "system docs" [14:53] i know that [14:53] i just refer to both as wiki [14:53] ummm.... Done? [14:54] hello? [14:54] what? [14:54] you know what [14:54] ok then i do [14:55] what does that mean? [14:55] you know what it means [14:55] (i guess) [14:55] (just as much as i know what, anyway) [14:55] (In simple words , Am I unbanned? [14:55] no [14:55] vibhav: Were you dealing with any particular op in.. nevermind [14:56] ha ha [14:56] :*( [14:56] vibhav: I'm sorry, but I keep having to ask you to do things 10 times, and you still keep coming back, despite being warned that... [14:56] oh, he's gone [14:58] But we have rww in his place. [14:58] when not logged in, bantracker says Join #ubuntu-ops on irc.freenode.net to descuss bans [14:58] I'll take that [14:58] now descuss [15:10] Pici: and now you don't! [15:30] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (nikolaibo appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) === marienz_ is now known as marienz [17:03] my apologies for idling [17:09] sorry ops [17:09] forgive me plz [17:10] Sug: I think we've been through this already. [17:10] no i don't want to unbanned on ubuntu [17:10] i say sorry for my behaviour [17:11] sorry [17:12] maco: taowa has been asking about a cloak for at least two hours now. [17:13] oh [17:13] I'd assume that #freenode told him to wait 2 weeks, as he hasn't gotten one there after asking and speaking to a staffer in private. [18:17] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (cvw-a appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) [18:31] hey ikonia I have a reason why I gave those Links.... [18:32] hi guys [18:32] vibhav: sorry what ? [18:32] I have a reason why I gave those Links.... [18:32] errrrr, it's a bit late now [18:32] ikonia, Listen for now [18:32] no thanks [18:32] you had no reason at the time [18:33] ikonia, I thought about it [18:33] ikonia, I was too tense at that time [18:33] I'm not really interested to be honest [18:33] yes, I'm not interested [18:33] at the time you where just posting random links, it got you banned [18:33] ikonia, I was not posting random links [18:33] taking 4 days to think it over and come up with an excuse is of no interest to me [18:34] ikonia, You gave sahip a hcl list , but I was willing to give sahip best hardware [18:34] ikonia, for linux [18:34] you even admit you hadn't read the links, so I'm not sure why you're even trying to come up with an excuse [18:34] vibhav: please stop wasting my time with excuses, you hadn't read the links, and just posted them out to a user [18:34] I asked you to stop 2 more times and you did it again [18:34] lets not go through this again [18:35] The link did not tell what hardware to buy , but it recommended what vendors what it should use [18:35] please stop [18:35] the links where useless and you admitted you hadn't even read them [18:35] so please stop trying to justify it now, it shows how much you've missed the point of why you where banned [18:35] they were not [18:36] And I came to know my NAS uses the same hardware... [18:36] ok - so a hardware compatability list for the first version of the 2.6 kernel from 2004 is valid now ? [18:36] is that what you're saying [18:37] The Link did not say buy a "ABC" Harddisk or a "XYZ" CPU , But it recommended to buy Hardware from "ABC" Company [18:37] and I'm not sure how you can say you used those links to buy your nas as you said the other day you didn't even read the links [18:37] Its fine to say that you don't know when someone asks a question. You don't need to try to find information that you may not understand and throw it at the user. [18:37] Pici: exactly, [18:37] * Pici will now let ikonia handle the rest [18:37] if you don't know the answer, just don't offer info [18:37] Pici: no, you're spot on [18:38] I was just trying to be helpful [18:38] posting random links to people that you've not even read just doesn't help [18:38] vibhav: yes, but I had to ask you 3 times to stop, which ended up in a ban because you wouldn't stop [18:38] And I said "hey sahip , you can refer to these : .........." [18:38] but you CAN'T refer to them [18:38] they are invalid [18:39] And I DID NOT SAY "hey sahip , this is the best hardware......" [18:39] one was from 2004 - hardware support has changed a lot since then [18:39] you're not listening [18:39] no-one said you did [18:39] this is the other part of the problem [18:39] the point is not what you said but how irrelevant the info you gave was. [18:39] you offered invalid/incorrect advice from a web page to someone looking for support [18:39] No it was not incorrect [18:39] if he had looked at purchasing hardware/had problems that link was incorrect [18:39] It was partly correct [18:39] vibhav: how could you know? you hadn't READ it at the time [18:40] it was not correct [18:40] 6.5 year old info on best hardware is hardly helpful [18:40] you didn't even read them [18:40] as LjL has just pointed out by typing faster [18:40] LjL, I am talking to ikonia now [18:40] vibhav: ljl is right though [18:40] IdleOne, That goes to you too [18:40] you didn't read the links, so you didn't even know how valid it was [18:40] vibhav: they are both correct [18:40] vibhav: and you're also going in circles, and this is annoying *me* [18:41] ikonia, I have somee sense to read , I read some bits which sounded good to me.... [18:41] you didn't read it [18:41] you even admitted you didn't read it [18:41] vibhav: look - take some time out and think about what you offer to people in #ubuntu [18:41] I can change the ban in #ubuntu to a mute, so you can join the channel again and watch how others help [18:42] ikonia, OK [18:42] get an idea for how people offer advice they know, or if they offer research, it's checked out research (mostly) [18:42] great [18:43] vibhav: you can now join #ubuntu, but you won't be able to speak in the channel [18:43] take some time to watch the info going past and how it applies to people asking questions [18:43] ok [18:43] vibhav: if people talk to you (as in this channel) please please, try to actually listen to the message they are giving you [18:44] don't twist it around to try to justify your actions, it's ok to make mistakes or not know the answer [18:44] As you wish [18:44] ok, well I guess we are done here for the moment [18:44] :*( [18:44] if you'd like to leave this channel and join #ubuntu to observe, that would be great [18:45] * Cannot join #ubuntu (You are banned). [18:45] ooh, one moment, I may have missed a ban [18:45] try now please [18:46] LjL: thank you, I missed that [18:46] thank you guys [18:46] thank you [18:47] I am unmute [18:47] no, you're not [18:47] you can't speak in the channel [18:47] ohh.. thats fone then [18:47] fine [18:47] great [18:48] If I prove that I will not do it again can my ban be shortened [18:48] I am pretty sure it is not possible to prove future behavior [18:48] there is no proof, as you can't speak, just take a little time to watch the channel [18:49] pleaseeee..... [18:49] vibhav: what did I say about not listening [18:49] I told you what to do the other day, and you came in arguing your ban duration [18:49] Unmute me for some time , and ill prove to you that I can really help.... [18:49] all you had to do is follow what you where told - the ban is your own fault and increased for your own problems [18:49] follow the instructions you've been given [18:50] vibhav: do you have a launchpad account? [18:50] take some time and follow the conversation in the channel [18:50] CarlFK, Yeah , and I have signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct [18:50] And I am identified [18:50] vibhav: what is your lp username? [18:50] I am curious what you participate in [18:51] email is vibhavp@gmail.com [18:51] and username at the ubuntu fourms is infinitybot [18:52] https://launchpad.net/~vibhavp is this you? [18:52] wait [18:52] slow internet [18:52] yeah this is my account [18:53] k. thanks. [18:53] why did you want to know that CarlFK ? [18:54] I am curious what you participate in [18:54] I did not partcipate in anything , but I am working on my PPA [18:55] no problem. my curiosity is satisfied. [18:55] I suggest you part this channel. [18:56] OK , I Respect your decisions , [18:56] Bye [19:02] for someone needing his ban removed so quickly he then quit === mnepton is now known as mneptok [21:27] I completely revamped the magizian underground today.. if interested in new developments, browse http://magizian.hopto.org [21:27] uh [21:27] ban? [21:28] Did they do it elsewhere too? [21:32] idiot [21:33] how rude [21:33] sorry, but it's the truth [21:34] this guy keeps joining, making these statments and parting [21:34] yeah it's just kinda odd [21:34] hence the suggestion to ban :) === mrmist is now known as n === n is now known as mrmist [22:50] !away > Githz|away [23:03] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16)) [23:03] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (18)) [23:03] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (17)) [23:09] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16)) [23:09] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16)) [23:09] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16)) [23:37] frackle called the ops in #ubuntu () [23:39] IdleOne, your fanclub called. [23:39] my fanclub? [23:40] I think that was more about getting staff attention. I just got caught in the cross fire [23:40] IdleOne, someone requested your assistance with their potty time. [23:43] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [23:43] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [23:43] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)