[00:10] <qman__> Jaith, just grep all the URLs and make sure they're .ubuntu.com
[00:10] <qman__> or other sites you trust
[00:10] <Jaith> qman__: i was concerned about what sorts of packages might be downloaded ...like if i put 'multiverse'
[00:11] <Jaith> qman__: as i understand it, i need at least 'universe' to get most of the reasonable LAMP features
[00:11] <qman__> well, grepping the URLs will also show which repositories you're using too
[00:11] <qman__> if you don't trust universe or multiverse, you can remove those too
[00:11] <Jaith> i've left universe.  thanks for the feedback
[00:12] <qman__> IMO universe should be at least trustworthy
[00:12] <qman__> it's more a distinction of supported vs not
[00:52] <Snugger> is update.ubuntu.com down? because i can
[00:52] <Snugger> i can't connect to it for some reason
[00:53] <stgraber> don't you mean archive.ubuntu.com ?
[00:53] <Snugger> yes that is what i meant, newbie here i aplogize
[00:54] <stgraber> seems fine from here (quickly tested from Canada, Switzerland and Germany)
[00:55] <Snugger> us.archive.ubuntu.com is moving super slow on my server,and when i try to install new programs, i time out for some reason
[00:56] <stgraber> what do you get when you run: host us.archive.ubuntu.com (use paste.ubuntu.com please as it's quite a long output)
[00:57] <Snugger> no i'm trying to configure a driver for my usb wireless adapter for my server, so i was trying to type in wget http://www.avengergear.com/upload/WG111v3.tar.bz2  and  i time out
[00:57] <Snugger> \
[00:58] <stgraber> works fine here too. You quite possibly have a DNS problem on your network
[00:59] <Snugger> how can i be certain?
[01:01] <stgraber> you can try doing: time host archive.ubuntu.com
[01:01] <stgraber> and then: time host archive.ubuntu.com 8.8.8.8
[01:01] <stgraber> and look at how long it takes to run each
[01:01] <stgraber> the first uses your current DNS server, the second uses google's
[01:06] <Snugger> i timed out on the host archive.ubuntu.com 8.8.8.8 but the first one went through fine the 2nd time, but i timed out the first time i did it
[01:08] <Snugger> still a possible DNS server issue? it wasn't acting like this earlier yesterday
[01:09] <stgraber> a timeout on 8.8.8.8 would tend to indicate some other network issues
[01:10] <Snugger> i'll get back to you later, i have to go
[01:45] <alamar> anybody set up a central syslog loghost where multiple hosts send logging info to? are there some easy to use webinterfaces that provide filtering/searching/sorting capabilities? or how do you access the big amount of information easily?
[01:47] <jMCg> Hey guys.
[01:48] <jMCg> I'm looking for a *sane* version of OpenLDAP -- the one in the Ubuntu repos comes with GnuTLS, which is not sane.
[01:57] <jMCg> ...or I just rebuild it to be sane. ¯\(°_o)/¯
[02:39] <gggsdds> somebody can help to takeme in the right direcction of how to increse the Java VM max memory size?
[02:42] <jMCg> gggsdds: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/documentation/whitepapers-jsp-139357.html take a look at the Memory Management White Paper.
[02:42] <gggsdds> thank you
[02:43] <gggsdds> =)
[03:08] <Takyoji> How would one add a user on a server; without a password, only to be used via `su`
[03:21] <smw> Takyoji, just make the user and don't give it a password
[03:22] <Takyoji> actually it won't let you; with adduser
[03:22] <Takyoji> you have to use --disable-password instead
[03:23] <smw> ok
[03:23] <smw> Takyoji, good to know
[03:33] <twb> 12:32 <twb> Any idea why I started getting these last night?  /lib/libpam.so.0: version `LIBPAM_MODUTIL_1.1.3' not found (required by /lib/security/pam_env.so)
[03:33] <twb> 12:32 <twb> http://paste.debian.net/118461/
[03:35]  * ajmitch saw a mention of that on the server mailing list, cron should have been restarted after a pam upgrade
[03:36] <ajmitch> twb: restarting cron ought to get it working again
[03:36] <twb> Hum, I don't remember upgrading pam yesterday
[03:37] <ajmitch> no unattended security upgrades enabled?
[03:38] <twb> I didn't *think* I enabled them
[03:38] <twb> Maybe I did and forgot
[03:38] <ajmitch> either way, there were a couple of emails about it on the server mailing list about an hour ago
[03:38] <twb> OK, thanks
[03:46] <Lobo29> Need help with 11.04 on Dell PE1650, after server starts and OS should start, i get Cannot display this video mode
[03:46] <Lobo29> i can boot with Live CD
[03:48] <twb> Lobo29: try passing vga=normal to the kernel
[03:49] <Lobo29> twb: noob user twb, how do i go about doing that ?
[03:51] <twb> Lobo29: can you get to the bootloader?
[03:52] <Lobo29> twb: after raid and bios loads ok,  i get the error message...   I've edited grub via Live cd to be verbose, but i never see anything after bios load successful
[03:53] <twb> Ubuntu did this "clever" thing of hiding grub by default, to save one measly second during boot
[03:53] <qman__> you have to hit a key to bring it up, escape or shift or something
[03:54] <twb> You probably need to unhide it from the live CD, unless you can manage to hit shift at exactly the right time
[03:55] <Lobo29> qman__: yes, i have tried shift and I edited grub to "not be quiet and not display splash screeen" ... seems the Cannot display this video mode is also blocking me from seeing grub menu
[03:56] <qman__> also in their infinite wisdom, grub2 now uses a high resolution display mode by default
[03:56] <twb> Lobo29: ah, that's because grub helpfully also- right
[03:56] <qman__> so you'd have to configure it to VGA
[03:56] <twb> qman__: only on x86
[03:57] <twb> Lobo29: this is why *I* set up systems with extlinux
[03:57] <twb> Which is the same codebase as everyone already uses for CDs (isolinux) and netbooting (pxelinux)
[03:57] <Lobo29> qman__: in grub, i uncommented the display line, to force 640x480,  found that fix, but doesn't seem to  help
[03:58] <twb> # Uncomment to disable graphical terminal (grub-pc only)
[03:58] <twb> GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[03:58] <twb> ...in /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub
[03:58] <qman__> probably need to disable KMS altogether, or something similar
[03:58] <qman__> yeah
[04:00] <Lobo29> twb: i believe i've done the edits you've mentioned.  after update-grub i went back in a 2nd time on Live cd and looked at grub again,  changes i made are there
[04:01] <Lobo29> wondering if i go back in time and try 10.04 server may work instead ?
[04:01] <qman__> do you have a separate /boot? if so, did you make sure it was mounted when you ran update-grub?
[04:02] <qman__> 10.04 uses grub2 and KMS, so that probably won't help
[04:02] <qman__> you'd have to drop back to 8.04 or 9.04 to get grub1 and no KMS by default
[04:02] <qman__> 9.04 is past EOL
[04:03] <Lobo29> qman__: it does have separate boot, this  is my first server attempt.  copied steps from website to make this a clonezilla server
[04:03] <qman__> the configuration that grub actually uses at boot time is loaded in /boot
[04:03] <Lobo29> ran partition defaults for 'use entire disk and lvm'
[04:03] <qman__> so that partition must be mounted when you run update-grub
[04:03] <qman__> otherwise changes won't get applied
[04:05] <Lobo29> qman__: i have gone back on live cd and looked at grub, changes i've done have been made.
[04:05] <qman__> the files in /etc are only used to generate that configuration file
[04:05] <qman__> grub itself doesn't look at them
[04:05] <Lobo29> qman__: i went to /etc/default when i ran gedit on grub
[04:06] <qman__> yes
[04:06] <qman__> that file does not directly affect grub
[04:06] <qman__> it is merely used to generate the configuration file that grub actually uses, which is in /boot
[04:06] <Lobo29> qman__: ah ok, maybe that is my issue
[04:06] <qman__> so if /boot is not mounted when you ran update-grub, it would not make the change apply
[04:06] <qman__> you need to run update-grub with /boot mounted
[04:07] <Lobo29> qman__: ok,  i did mount /dev/sda1 before starting
[04:09] <Lobo29> this isn't good, i've eaten half a pan of brownies trying to resolve this :O
[04:09] <twb> hash isn't exactly good for critical thinking
[04:10] <Lobo29> twb: expands the thinking process
[04:10] <qman__> the actual config file grub uses at boot time is /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[04:11] <qman__> manually editing it is normally a bad idea since it will be overwritten, but you can check it to see if it reflects your changes
[04:11] <Lobo29> qman__: i'm booting back up with live cd now,  i can check that in few
[04:20] <Lobo29> qman__: ok, i'm at /boot/grub,  did ll and shows gfxblacklist.txt and grubenv, just those 2 files
[04:20] <qman__> should be a lot more files than that
[04:21] <qman__> about 185, to be more precise
[04:21] <Lobo29> ok, i'm poor cli skills, how do i verify i've mounted sda1 ?
[04:22] <qman__> mount
[04:22] <qman__> or df -h
[04:24] <Lobo29> mount shows  /dev/sda1 on /mnt/sda1 type ext2 (rw)
[04:24] <qman__> well, that won't do you any good
[04:24] <qman__> you need it to be mounted at /boot (relative to your shell) for grub-install to do its job
[04:24] <Lobo29> last item on df is /dev/sda1
[04:25] <qman__> mount your system's / in a location (e.g. /mnt/myinstall), then mount your system's /boot inside it (/mnt/myinstall/boot)
[04:25] <qman__> then chroot in there and run grub-install
[04:25] <Lobo29> remember i'm booted from live cd to look at  boot disk, if that matters ?
[04:26] <qman__> oh, probably have to mount /dev and /proc in there too
[04:27] <qman__> mount -t proc /mnt/myinstall/proc; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/myinstall/dev
[04:28] <qman__> chroot /mnt/myinstall /bin/bash
[04:28] <qman__> update-grub
[04:32] <Lobo29> qman__: grr, sorry, wasn't working,  trying again,  i need to sudo before all those :P
[04:38] <Lobo29> qman__:  sorry, sudo mount -t proc /mnt/myinstall/proc gives me  the verbose help list of mount ?
[04:40] <Lobo29> i also did sudo mkdir /mnt/myinstall/proc  and /dev
[04:44] <Lobo29> qman__: ok, now if i run df,  i show /dev/sda1  with /mnt/myinstall/proc and /dev
[04:47] <Lobo29> qman__: still with me ?
[04:52] <Lobo29> Anyone here a grub editor expert ?
[07:20] <BuenGenio> good'o gents
[07:20] <BuenGenio> (and lassies)
[07:21] <BuenGenio> Postfix question... Are there 2.8.x packages for 10.10  or 11.x ?
[07:24] <jmarsden> BuenGenio: rmadison says:   postfix | 2.8.1-1~maverick1 | maverick-backports | source, amd64, i386
[07:24] <jmarsden> So there is one for Maverick in maverick-backports...
[07:24] <BuenGenio> what, how do I get it? and what about 2.8.2 or .3 ?
[07:25] <jmarsden> rmadison also says:    postfix | 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 | natty-updates | source, amd64, i386
[07:25] <jmarsden> So there is a 2.8.2 version for natty (11.04) in natty-updates.
[07:26] <BuenGenio> is it dangerous using the natty version on Maverick ?
[07:26] <jmarsden> Probably.  You should backport it yourself (recompile the source package) at least, if you want to do that.
[07:27] <jmarsden> There is also:  postfix |    2.8.3-1 |       oneiric | source, amd64, i386
[07:28] <jmarsden> But you definitely would want to backport and test that one carefully before using it :)
[07:28] <twb> It depends WHY you want 2.8
[07:28] <twb> If it's just because it's new and shiny, you should suck it up and run the integrated, tested, well-understood version that came with your release
[07:32] <BuenGenio> well, whitelist support for one
[07:33] <jits> hi guys .. my port forwarding is not working. please review http://paste.ubuntu.com/615066/ and help me fix it...
[07:34] <twb> You have to make a judgement call about whether it's worth the effort (and instability) to get that feature/bugfix/shiny
[07:35] <twb> e.g. it was worth me making openssl-based libldap packages (because they fixed passwd(1) for LDAP users), but not to replace syslogd with rsyslogd in hardy.
[07:36] <jits> twb: can u help me plz ..
[07:36] <twb> jits: English, please.
[07:36] <jits> twb:  my port forwarding is not working. please review http://paste.ubuntu.com/615066/ and help me fix it...
[07:37] <twb> jits: looks like you're using iptables-restore, so you should ask #netfilter
[07:37] <koolhead11> hi all
[07:37] <jits> ok .. thanks ..
[07:37] <twb> jits: but the problem is probably that you don't allow -d 10.1.0.20 -p tcp --dport 8080 in FORWARD
[07:38] <jits> twb: okay .. so pre-routing is not the right thing ? I got it working once .. but then i had opened all ports . :-s
[07:38] <twb> jits: you need both
[07:47] <jits> twb: i tried http://paste.ubuntu.com/615198/ .. added forward accept to port 8080 .. did not work :-( .. netfilter no one is responding
[08:04] <JamezQ1> Hey guys, what do I need to install to get a usb external terabyte drive to work in ubuntu server
[08:12] <twb> JamezQ1: ubuntu-standard
[08:13] <JamezQ1> twb, what?
[08:14] <twb> JamezQ1: you need the "ubuntu-standard" package
[08:17] <JamezQ1> twb, will that install any unessicary gui, or anything like that?
[08:18] <twb> !TIAS
[08:18] <twb> Grmph
[08:18] <JamezQ1> tias?
[08:18] <twb> JamezQ1: no
[08:19] <JamezQ1> alright, then I'll do it, thanks
[08:19] <twb> ubuntu-standard is almost certainly already installed, and you just don't know how to deal with hard disks
[08:19] <JamezQ1> ubuntu-standard is already the newest version.
[08:19] <JamezQ1> what...
[08:19] <twb> JamezQ1: what isn't working NOW?
[08:20] <JamezQ1> an external "free agent go" drive.
[08:20] <JamezQ1> It works fine when normal ubuntu was running on it, it does not work correctly with ubuntu server
[08:21] <twb> Define "works"
[08:21] <JamezQ1> I tried fdisk -l, and nothing shows up, that *is* what the wiki says to do
[08:21] <JamezQ1> it connects and can trasfer files back and forth?
[08:21] <twb> fdisk -l is wrong.  You should be checking /proc/partitions.
[08:22] <twb> Disks are not mounted by default.  Assuming the disk exists (check /proc/partitions and dmesg), you will need to mount and unmount it manually, or deploy infrastructure to do so automatically.
[08:22] <twb> The latter is not part of ubuntu-standard, but IIRC ubuntu desktops do it (which personally I think is bloody stupid)
[08:23] <JamezQ1> it gives many errors, as shown here
[08:23] <JamezQ1> http://pastebin.com/kM6nHmRW
[08:24] <twb> Yeah, [524869.156539] hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 says it's not working
[08:24] <JamezQ1> alright, yea
[08:24] <twb> If this is a 2.5" USB disk, provide external power, or try a different USB hub/port cluster
[08:25] <JamezQ1> cat partitions shows "dm-0/dm-1", idk what that is.
[08:25] <twb> If this is a 3.5" USB disk, it will already have external power... not sure what you can do there other than swap in different components (different USB port, different USB cable, different power cable, different motherboard)
[08:25] <twb> JamezQ1: dm-0 will be your LVM LV, or possibly fakeraid
[08:25] <JamezQ1> alright
[08:26] <JamezQ1> any reason it works in desktop and not server?
[08:26] <twb> no idea
[08:26] <JamezQ1> alright
[08:26] <twb> You're try both on the same hardware?
[08:26] <JamezQ1> yes
[08:26] <JamezQ1> and same port
[08:26] <twb> Same kernel version (e.g. 2.6.32?
[08:27] <JamezQ1> oh, I am not sure about that, but both 10.04
[08:27] <twb> OK
[08:27] <twb> In that case only thing I can think of is maybe your HDD doesn't like being turned on before (after?) the computer
[08:27] <twb> Or likewise being unplugged/plugged when it's turned on
[08:28] <twb> I'd try to reproduce the behaviour with a different USB enclosure
[08:28] <JamezQ1> hmm
[08:31] <JamezQ1> eh, got it to work in a different port
[08:31] <JamezQ1> then did fdisk -l, made the dir, and it worked
[08:31] <JamezQ1> thanks a lot, I might not have tried it without you.
[08:39] <JamezQ1> Sorry, though, I really should have ruled all of them out for you :(
[08:39] <JamezQ1> I apologize
[08:39] <JamezQ1> bye
[08:46] <Bacta> How are server side mail filters implemented?
[08:49] <twb> Bacta: carefully?
[08:49] <Linskyrate> can you deplay desktops via ubuntu server thrugh privat cloud with no Amazon involvement?
[08:50] <ikonia> !ops | Bacta is on a namespace wide ban - please remove and speak to IRC council for confirmation
[08:50] <twb> Linskyrate: I suppose so, although I don't see why you'd deploy *desktops* in the cloud
[08:50] <twb> Linskyrate: if you want something like Windows Terminal Server, see LTSP
[08:50] <Linskyrate> twb: just a thought
[08:51] <Linskyrate> would be an ASP killer if cost is good
[08:51] <twb> Uh... huh.
[08:51] <Linskyrate> twb: LTSP?
[08:52] <twb> I don't think anyone with any brains uses ASP *now*
[09:25] <Linskyrate> quit
[10:18] <LinSkyrate> Ok... discover ubuntu cloud server.. done that.. awfull litle info on youtube, exept for the install part, but what next?
[10:19] <LinSkyrate> seems that everybody has the hang of installing, but image behavier etc are left out.. yes you can link to Amazon, but if you want a private cloud then?
[10:24] <twb> I think if you're asking youtube for technical information, you have two problems
[10:25] <_ruben> heh
[10:26] <twb> The only video I can remember that was vaguely useful on youtube was some blind guys talking about how awesome they made smartphones (iphones?) for blind people
[10:27] <twb> And you can imagine how pointless the video channel of that was -- two blind guys sitting in front of a camera, talking
[10:49] <roel-> smw: that 'seen' flag doesn't seem to work
[10:50] <roel-> smw: when I install manually, the installer asks for the new hostname very early on, but when I set the other network info (gateway,nameservers,netmask,dhcp off etc), the hostname prompt is skipped altogether
[10:50] <roel-> i would like to see this preseeding code
[11:18] <reisi> any ideas how i could preview which packages are to be updated, using commandline tools only? there are a few i'd like to hold
[11:20] <greppy> reisi: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:21] <reisi> greppy: ok, i was just wondering if it could be queried
[12:01] <reisi> hmm nice, after getting an 10.04.1 to 10.04.2 the motd is screwed; there's the normal issue, welcome, documentation, and under it the same again, and pre-update package counts, system restart required
[12:05] <reisi> echo > /etc/motd.tail cleared it; there seems to be some discussion about this before the lts release, but nothing since
[12:05] <_ruben> yeah, something really screwed up the motd generation a while ago
[13:19] <codec> heya.
[13:20] <codec> can someone help me out with a UEC problem on maverick? all my VM types report 0000 / 0000 since my rootfs filled up last night ... i fixed that and since that i cant see the (still) running instances and neither start new ones..
[13:23] <EricJ> I'm having problems with multiple modules being loaded for my hardware. Any suggestions on how I prevent the erroneous ones from loading?
[13:24] <EricJ> simply blacklisting them in /etc/modprobe.d/ doesn't seem to help..
[13:26] <pmatulis> codec: sounds like you've lost contact with your cluster controller
[13:34] <codec> pmatulis: euca_conf --list-clusters --list-scs --list-walruses --list-nodes shows everything
[13:35] <codec> pmatulis: but the cc.log says  refresh_resources(): bad return from ncDescribeResource
[13:35] <nkv> EricJ: once you blacklisted them, did you unload the incorrect module?
[13:36] <nkv> I usually have to do that manually after I setup the blacklist
[13:36] <EricJ> nkv: indeed I did,
[13:36] <EricJ> turns out I had junk laying around in /etc/modules, and that modules specified there are loaded regardless of blacklists >_>
[13:37] <nkv> Oh yeah.. That is higher priority than /etc/modules.d
[13:37] <nkv> I mean modprobe.d
[13:37] <codec> axis2/services/ shows EucalyptusNC but axis2/services/EucalyptusNC gives me a 404?!
[13:37] <nkv> it's too early to think :)
[14:01] <codec> can someone do a grep -i services /var/lib/eucalyptus/db/eucalyptus_config.script for me?
[14:01] <codec> or grep -i EucalyptusNC
[14:05] <bencc> apt-get upgrade doesn't work because of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/790538
[14:06] <bencc> shouldn't it handle regression bugs automatically?
[14:06] <pmatulis> bencc: shouldn't apt-get handle a bug?  huh?
[14:07] <bencc> pmatulis: not the bug but a regression bug
[14:07] <bencc> someone uploaded a bad version of a package
[14:07] <bencc> that's it? everything is waiting for it to fix?
[14:08] <bencc> can't the bad package be removed and apt-get automatically revert to the old package
[14:08] <pmatulis> bencc: it has been removed
[14:08] <pmatulis> bencc: that's nothing to do with apt-get.  it will install the latest stuff
[14:08] <bencc> so why does apt-get upgrade fails?
[14:09] <bencc> pmatulis: I've installed a fresh ubuntu-server 11.04 and did:
[14:09] <bencc> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[14:09] <bencc> and getting lines like: Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty-updates/main libpam0g amd64 1.1.2-2ubuntu8.2
[14:09] <bencc> so, something is broken in the repository not just the package
[14:09] <Pici> Thats normal.
[14:10] <bencc> why?
[14:10] <zul> soren: did you get xen working yet?
[14:10] <Pici> Majorly broken updates are typically manually removed from the archives so that people won't accidentally upgrade to them.
[14:11] <bencc> Pici: so is there an apt command to handle it automatically?
[14:11] <bencc> apt-get revert to stable or something
[14:13] <Pici> bencc: You could try using --ignore-missing if there are other updates that you need to get at this time.
[14:13] <bencc> Pici: ok. still feels bad
[14:18] <soren> zul: It works fine on real hardware. I can't get it work in KVM anymore :(
[14:18] <zul> soren: good except the kvm bits
[14:19] <zul> soren: i need to get the ubuntu bits uploaded still sitting on them
[14:19] <soren> zul: Like what?
[14:19] <zul> soren: like libxen3->libxen4
[14:19] <zul> stupid libvirt
[14:21] <soren> Um.. You're the one who changed the xen stuff to build a libxen3-dev rather than a libxen-dev.
[14:22] <zul> soren: right
[14:22] <zul> soren: but the libraries that libvirt need is in like 4 different packages now as well
[14:23] <soren> zul: What does it need other than libxen-dev?
[14:23] <zul> xenstore i think is one im sure there is more
[14:24] <soren> I only see libxen-dev.
[14:25] <zul> in the xen 4.1 package?
[14:25] <soren> No, in libvirt's dependencies.
[14:27] <zul> doh...i didnt notice that....nm then
[14:28] <soren> :)
[14:28] <zul> that will certainly make life easier then
[14:47] <koolhead11> RoAkSoAx, hey
[15:02] <slhsen> hey, can i upgrade a server from jounty to lucid using alternate-cd iso?
[15:04] <Pici> slhsen: You'd need to go through Karmic first.
[15:10] <soren> hallyn: Do you plan on updating libvirt anytime soon?
[15:12] <hallyn_> soren: I have a candidate source package, but it had some problems
[15:12] <hallyn_> jdstrand was looking into one CVE regression
[15:12] <hallyn_> soren: definately it needs to get updated for this cycle
[15:21] <soren> hallyn_: ok
[15:21] <lynxman> zul: any thoughts about upgrading erlang to a newer version for this cycle?
[15:21] <zul> lynxman: why?
[15:22] <lynxman> zul: we're running R13B03, latest stable one being R14B03, we're a full major version behind
[15:23] <zul> lynxman: maybe...well see what debian does
[15:23] <lynxman> zul: sounds fair :)
[15:23] <hallyn_> soren: do you have a need for a particular version soon-ish?
[15:23] <soren> hallyn_: I don't know. I have an issue that I was wondering whether was fixed in 0.9.X.
[15:25] <hallyn_> soren: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/libvirt-0.9.1-sync.2.tar.gz has the source i was working with if you want to test
[15:27] <soren> hallyn_: And what was the problem with it?
[15:27] <hallyn_> soren: oh i meant test to see if it fixes your problems.  THe package did work fine for me, but there were failures from the regression testsuite
[15:28] <hallyn_> let's see - one was just that 'driver name='phy'' stopped working (which is notabug)
[15:28] <hallyn_> THe other was CVE 2010_2239
[15:31] <soren> hallyn_: Why did you remove [linux-any] from all the dependencies?
[15:32] <hallyn_> isn't that invalid for ubuntu?
[15:32] <hallyn_> I read that as 'not hurd'
[15:35] <cocoa117> is it still possible to do-release-upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10?
[15:35] <cocoa117> i got error message "An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'lucid' is not supported with this tool."
[15:36] <pmatulis> cocoa117: there is a wiki page on doing stuff like that (EOL upgrades)
[15:36] <Pici> !eol
[15:36] <cocoa117> when i look at my /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[15:36] <Pici> Last link ^
[15:36] <cocoa117> cool, thanx guys
[15:39] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: o/
[15:57] <cocoa117> what is the linux-image-virtual for? is it for domU ubuntu? i am running Ubuntu server on a Xen, should i use linux-image-virtual over linux-image-server?
[16:02] <smb> cocoa117, It is generally geared towards virtual machine installations. It may miss some modules as it tries to be lean. The server kernel does not have the virt drivers build-in. But if you are currently ok, I'd probably not change it
[16:04] <cocoa117> smb, thanx, well i am using xen version of kernel, so don't know if it's going to be ok. i am going to test after upgrade
[16:05] <smb> cocoa117, I assume that is a hardy to whatever upgrade then...?
[16:05] <cocoa117> smb, actually, it is 9.04 EOF to 9.10 to 10.04
[16:06] <cocoa117> have bit of trouble at the moment, even with help from EOF upgrade wiki
[16:07] <smb> cocoa117, So in that case going from a kernel package with xen in its name I would go for -virtual
[16:08] <cocoa117> smb, ok, whats the procedure then. I need to do-release-upgrade first to 9.04 ->9.10 -> 10.04, i guess i should do apt-get install *-virtual after?
[16:09] <cocoa117> not sure if the newly install kernel allow me to login after upgrade
[16:09] <cocoa117> need to test
[16:09] <smb> I would hope/assume that the upgrade path does this, yeah
[16:09] <smb> I mean automatically move from a xen kernel to virtual...
[16:10] <cocoa117> yes, same thoughts
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> zul:
[16:18] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ping
[16:18] <zul> RoAkSoAx: pong
[16:19] <RoAkSoAx> zul: hey!! I was just looking into merging pastedeploy and in Ubuntu the delta was to enable the tests, however, in the new upstream release the tests have been excluded from the released tarballs..
[16:19] <RoAkSoAx> zul: so in this kind of cases we can just forget about the tests or should we patch the source re-adding them?
[16:19] <WMP> hello
[16:20] <WMP> why php5-mysql have in depends apache?
[16:20] <zul> RoAkSoAx: do you know why it was remomved?
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> zul: changelog doesn't say anything elkse but "Excluded tests from release distributions"
[16:20] <RoAkSoAx> zul: that's upstream's changelog, not debian
[16:20] <zul> RoAkSoAx: disable the tests in the debian package then
[16:21] <RoAkSoAx> zul: cool, thanks ;)
[16:26] <orudie> How can I generate a new client. Haven't done this in a while
[16:30] <xokvictor> who tell me? how set ubuntu-server as server for think clients?
[16:34] <orudie> hmm. when i type ./vars it tells me permission denied
[16:34] <orudie> as root
[16:35] <giovani> orudie: you're going to have to give us more information than that
[16:35] <cocoa117> after following EOF upgrades Jaunty, I still got error message Cannot upgrade
[16:35] <cocoa117> An upgrade from 'jaunty' to 'lucid' is not supported with this tool.
[16:35] <cocoa117> it should upgrade to Karmic!!! any cli to manually set it?
[16:39] <cocoa117> tar: Removing leading `/' from member names
[16:39] <cocoa117> pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
[16:39] <cocoa117> lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
[16:39] <cocoa117> is this need to be solved before do-rlease-upgrade?
[16:40] <xokvictor> who can tell me? how set ubuntu-server as server for think clients?
[16:47] <SpamapS> xokvictor: thin clients you mean?
[16:55] <xokvictor> SpamapS, sorry, yes
[17:12] <WinstonSmith> hi :) is there a howto or similar to install the latest perl 5.14?
[17:14] <WinstonSmith> or newer debs than the stock 5.10?
[17:18] <koolhead17> hello all
[17:18] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: i wanted to know if you had chance to test the multicasting capability of cobbler
[17:19] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: hey, not yet I'm gonna be working on cobbler later this week though
[17:20] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: cool. i will update the wiki as you suggested after running second test from my end tomorrow. :)
[17:21] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: yeah I think we need to create a category for all of these
[17:21] <RoAkSoAx> Such as "Enablying features"
[17:21] <RoAkSoAx> Enabling*
[17:22] <koolhead17> yes. i will do it as you suggested, creating a new section and all
[17:22] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: cool ;) thanks for helping out!!
[17:22] <koolhead17> RoAkSoAx: its mutual :D
[17:23] <koolhead17> am going to trouble you for koan as i have not tested it on kvm/vmware
[17:23] <RoAkSoAx> koolhead17: sure thing
[17:23] <koolhead17> :)
[17:52] <sw0rdfish> hey guys how do i fix this
[17:52] <sw0rdfish> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[17:52] <sw0rdfish> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
[17:52] <sw0rdfish> 	LANGUAGE = (unset),
[17:52] <sw0rdfish> 	LC_ALL = (unset),
[17:52] <sw0rdfish> 	LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
[17:52] <sw0rdfish>     are supported and installed on your system.
[17:52] <sw0rdfish> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
[17:53] <Kiall> Hi all .. Does anyone have an example of preventing large files from entering the cache? Ideally based on the Content-Length ..
[17:56] <Kiall> lol
[17:56] <Kiall> wrong channel ;)
[17:57] <Kiall> (hell - even wrong IRC server ;))
[17:57] <sw0rdfish> lol<
[18:09] <jMCg> Kiall: which cache/server?
[18:10] <zul> hallyn: hey are you going to do a libvirt upload anytime soon
[18:21] <Kiall> jMCg, varnish :)
[18:21] <Kiall> but .. got the answer in the #varnish channel on another server ;)
[18:22]  * RoyK wonder why Redpill Linpro still sticks to their own network
[18:26] <hallyn> zul: i'm waiting in feedback from jdstrand
[18:26] <hallyn> i may investigate the remaining issues myself this afternoon though
[18:46] <zul> hallyn:cool im going to do a testbuild with libxen-devel and write the MIR up for it today hopefully
[18:53] <zul> SpamapS: where are we with mysql 5.5?
[18:54] <jMCg> Kiall: and what was the answer?
[18:55] <RoyK> zul: postgresql 9 is nice ;)
[18:55] <SpamapS> zul: side tracked with a few other things. Should submit it to Debian later this week tho
[18:55] <Kiall> jMCg, override the internal TTL after the item has entered the cache, triggering an immediate expiry  ..
[18:56] <zul> SpamapS: cool
[20:02] <sw0rdfish> anyone got experience with ajaxplorer?
[20:32] <hallyn_> is anyone running kvm on a lucid system who can confirm bug 790789?  Particularly if you can say you're on intel and not affected, but any datapoints...
[20:35] <RoyK> henkjan_: I'm running a few VMs on my Lucid server, and haven't seen that - that said, I'm not running asterisk on any of them. I used to work with asterisk a few years ago, and got a little fed up with the code, to put it mildly...
[20:36] <RoyK> http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk-installation.wav http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk_architecture.jpg
[20:55] <cocoa117> is the ubuntu-standard metapackage as ideal choice for ubuntu server
[20:55] <smw> cocoa117, ubuntu-server
[20:55] <smw> cocoa117, you can then use taskel to install other groups of packages (or apt-get)
[20:56] <cocoa117> i can't see the ubuntu-server metapackage
[20:56] <smw> cocoa117, in that case I think it is ubuntu-standard
[20:56] <RoyK> cocoa117: just install ubuntu server, hook off ssh server and do the rest manually
[20:57] <RoyK> cocoa117: the basic ubuntu install gives you a basic server
[20:57] <RoyK> no services, just a server setup
[20:57] <smw> cocoa117,  This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu standard system.
[20:57] <smw>  This set of packages provides a comfortable command-line Unix-like
[20:57] <smw>  environment.
[20:57] <smw>  .
[20:57] <smw>  It is also used to help ensure proper upgrades, so it is recommended that
[20:57] <smw>  it not be removed.
[20:57] <cocoa117> Royk, hi, i installed it with Xen-tool, so don't know what package is installed
[20:57] <smw> I would say it is a good thing for server.
[20:57] <RoyK> cocoa117: just install whatever services you need
[20:57] <RoyK> cocoa117: a server isn't a set of services, it's a platform onto which you can install services
[20:58] <cocoa117> RoyK, k, just want to be sure, it didn't install xwindows, which is wasting space
[20:58] <RoyK> cocoa117: if you need SMB, install samba, if you need web, install apache or lighttpd or something, if you need php ..... et cetera et cetera ad infinitum
[20:59] <cocoa117> got it
[21:00] <RoyK> don't install a 'base package' with all sorts of crap - install what you need. period.
[21:00] <RoyK> heh
[21:00] <smw> RoyK, um... I would like for stuff like wget to be installed automatically...
[21:01] <smw> RoyK, which is why ubuntu-standard is better than ubuntu-minimal :-P
[21:01] <smw> RoyK, I am also not sure minimal comes with cron... it depends on the distro
[21:01]  * RoyK creates metapackages for such setups
[21:01] <RoyK> the standard install is small enough for most setups
[21:01] <smw> RoyK, you mean like ubuntu-standard? lol
[21:01] <RoyK> no, server install
[21:01] <RoyK> no gnome etc
[21:02] <smw> RoyK, ubuntu-desktop is gnome, etc
[21:02] <smw> RoyK, ubuntu-standard appears to be server. I need to look at the ubuntu server preseed file to be sure.
[21:03] <RoyK> smw: we have a bunch of machines used by scientists at work, they need a truckload of packages, python, fortran, libgrid, libcdf etc - I created a metapackage for the lot
[21:03] <smw> RoyK, that is a good idea
[21:04] <smw> RoyK, I am making a scientific linux (rhel 6) ami and I am realizing how much is missing from "base"
[21:05] <RoyK> smw: once I'm done with it and have trimmed it down, I may post it
[21:05] <fooman2011> hello :)
[21:05] <RoyK> smw: what packages do you need in your setup?
[21:05] <smw> RoyK, not many actually. I love htop though :-)
[21:06] <smw> RoyK, it is yet another top... but better ;-)
[21:06] <RoyK> I know
[21:06] <RoyK> eats more than half my terminal :P
[21:06] <RoyK> compute nodes are dual 12-core opterons
[21:07] <fooman2011> I newbe under linux so my question may be seems stupid... I have used apt-get to add a package A. Then i have used apt-get to add a package B. B depends on A. Now i have to get the package A from another repository. It's possible to do this without removing the package B ?
[21:08] <fooman2011> not sure that my question is clear
[21:08] <smw> fooman2011, I believe apt always fetches the newest package
[21:08] <smw> fooman2011, so if the other repo has the newest package, it will switch to that repo
[21:08] <fooman2011> ok so how to tell to apt to get the specific version from the "PPA" ?
[21:08] <smw> fooman2011, without package B being affected
[21:09] <smw> fooman2011, is it newer? just update
[21:09] <RoyK> smw: it doesn't seem to show hard/soft pagefaults, though
[21:09] <smw> RoyK, you can configure what it shows...
[21:09] <fooman2011> mmh sorry but "just update" i don't know how to do that
[21:09] <smw> RoyK, I don't know if those are options
[21:09] <RoyK> couldn't find pagefaults at first sight, though
[21:09] <smw> fooman2011, is the new repo installed?
[21:10] <fooman2011> i have added the ppa using the add-apt-repository
[21:10] <smw> fooman2011, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:10] <RoyK> smw: dist-upgrade is generally safer in case a jump from 10.04.1 to .2 etc
[21:10] <RoyK> well, not necessarily safer, but easier
[21:11] <smw> RoyK, at, that help for when it does not update a package?
[21:11] <smw> s/at/ah/
[21:11] <fooman2011> it's another build i dont know if it's newer or older but this is the one i need
[21:11] <smw> RoyK, I have always forced the updates by hand XD
[21:12] <fooman2011> first the repository. Is this correct ? sudo add-apt-repository ppa:https://launchpad.net/~rvm/+archive/mplayer?field.series_filter=lucid
[21:12] <RoyK> smw: I guess it might help dependencies
[21:13] <smw> fooman2011, no idea. I don't use add-apt-repository
[21:13] <smw> fooman2011, if you copy and pasted it from somewhere... it should be right :-P
[21:14] <fooman2011> i just want to install this: https://launchpad.net/~rvm/+archive/mplayer?field.series_filter=lucid
[21:14] <fooman2011> how to do this please ?
[21:14] <RoyK> he - using mplayer on a server?
[21:14] <smw> fooman2011, aren't there instructions?
[21:14] <smw> RoyK, it is great for transcoding
[21:15] <fooman2011> yeah i will do this:
[21:15] <fooman2011> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rvm/mplayer
[21:15] <smw> what is is mplayer good for? It is an aweful player
[21:15] <RoyK> smw: better than ffmpeg?
[21:15] <fooman2011> but then how to know which package apt-get will get ?
[21:15] <fooman2011> from the other repository of from the ppa ?
[21:15] <fooman2011> maybe it ask to me ?
[21:17] <fooman2011> " add-apt-repository: command not found"
[21:17] <fooman2011> pffff
[21:17] <fooman2011> it's write here: http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/ppa
[21:17] <fooman2011> how it's is possible ?
[21:17] <fooman2011> use linux is very hard....
[21:17] <fooman2011> very not user friendly :(
[21:18] <fooman2011> So please could you tell me how you add a PPA ?
[21:19] <RoyK> fooman2011: lol - try solaris or freebsd or HP/UX or AIX or something and come back here and tell me linux isn't userfriendly :D
[21:20] <fooman2011> :/
[21:20] <RoyK> the only unix system I know being slightly more userfriendly than ubuntu is OS X, but then only for select software
[21:21] <fooman2011> ok for info the enable the command add-apt-repository you have to install sudo apt-get install python-software-properties
[21:22] <RoyK> possibly - no idea, really
[21:22] <RoyK> you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add new repos there if you want to
[21:23] <fooman2011> ok thanks but now the repository is added
[21:23] <fooman2011> and when I do
[21:23] <fooman2011> apt-get install mencoder
[21:23] <fooman2011> it told me "already installed"
[21:23] <RoyK> you need to apt-get update first
[21:23] <fooman2011> ok
[21:24] <RoyK> and if it's already installed, an apt-get dist-upgrade should upgrade it
[21:24] <fooman2011> i'm not sure that is a newer version
[21:24] <fooman2011> it's "another" version
[21:24] <RoyK> then you'll need to uninstall the version you have and specifically install the new version
[21:24] <RoyK> apt-get remove --purge
[21:24] <RoyK> is your friend
[21:25] <fooman2011> ok but it's my first question
[21:25] <fooman2011> if i remove this package i have to remove all the packages which depends on it
[21:26] <fooman2011> " Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/mplayer/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found"
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[21:26] <fooman2011> the repository seems to not be valid :'(
[21:27] <RoyK> fooman2011: it won't - you need to remove those specifically or by 'apt-get autoremove'
[21:27] <RoyK> fooman2011: tough luck
[21:28] <fooman2011> ok
[21:29] <fooman2011> now i have a new problem
[21:29] <fooman2011> aven after remove the dead PPA, when i apt(get update, i have this: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/rvm/mplayer/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[21:30] <fooman2011> i have edited the /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:30] <fooman2011> i don't find it into
[21:30] <fooman2011> another place ?
[21:38] <guntbert> fooman2011: look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[21:40] <oyiptong> hi!
[21:40] <oyiptong> i'd like to know what you do to keep multiple servers in sync with regards to packages
[21:41] <oyiptong> i want to install an old package on a supported release that has been superceded
[21:41] <oyiptong> on the forums, people hunt down the pacakge in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/ or via launchpad.net. I want to script it and do it programmatically
[21:41] <fooman2011> gunterb: yes i saw it. How to remove
[21:41] <fooman2011> ?
[21:41] <oyiptong> what can i do?is there an apt sources location i can use?
[21:58] <fooman2011> ok how to install with dependencies using dpkg ?
[22:00] <oyiptong> fooman2011: i think you need to use apt-get
[22:01] <fooman2011> yes but it's a file
[22:01] <fooman2011> not located in a repository
[22:02] <oyiptong> i think there are ways to use apt-get locally
[22:02] <oyiptong> dpkg is a simple installer
[22:02] <soren> fooman2011: Use gdebi
[22:02] <oyiptong> apt-get and aptitude are "smart" and resolve dependencies
[22:03] <RoyK> oyiptong: last I checked, dpkg doesn't install if dependencies aren't fullfilled, unless you --force it, that is
[22:03] <oyiptong> yeah that's what i'm saying. dpkg won't resolve the dependencies for you
[22:04]  * RoyK is tired - nite guys
[22:04]  * soren tries again: gdebi
[22:04] <guntbert> g'night RoyK
[22:05] <oyiptong> gdebi will work
[23:55] <johna> I am trying work out what partition should I use for a webdav Space, about a dozen users, mixed windows and linux users.