[06:40] <dpm> good morning all
[08:12] <andrejz> good morning
[08:26] <RawChid> Good morning :)
[08:57] <dpm> morning andrejz and RawChid :)
[08:57] <andrejz> morning dpm
[13:39] <andrejz> hello dpm i have a quesion about templates
[13:50] <dpm> andrejz, sure, ask away :)
[13:51] <andrejz> where can i find out which version of the software is currently in oneiric
[13:52] <dpm> andrejz, on the package overview page, let me show you how to get there...
[13:52] <andrejz> i would like to quicky determine if status "needs review" is only due to version change
[13:54] <andrejz> just to confirm, if the same package is uploaded by two different people i need to confirm both, correct?
[13:55] <dpm> andrejz, no, there is no need to approve both. Just approve the older entry
[13:55] <dpm> it's only blocking that you have to do for each uploader
[13:55] <dpm> approvals work regardless of the uploader
[13:56] <dpm> anyway, back to finding out the version of a package, there are several ways:
[13:56] <dpm> * if you are at https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/evolution/, you can just go to the "Overview" tab and it will tell you the versions
[13:57] <dpm> * You can use the publishing history url: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+publishinghistory, which gives a nice overview too
[13:58] <dpm> * You can install the ubuntu-dev-tools package and use the 'rmadison' command line tool: 'rmadison evolution'
[13:58] <andrejz> cool thanks, will write it down
[13:58] <dpm> Just pick the method that you like best :)
[13:58] <dpm> andrejz, which package are you looking at now?
[13:58] <andrejz> i am looking at libgweather
[13:59] <andrejz> there is a libgwather-3.0 pot in the import queue
[14:00] <andrejz> if libgweather-3.0 replaces previous version and it's not going to be used anymore then the same name can be used, correct?
[14:01] <dpm> yeah, we can name libgweather-3.0 to libgweather and approve I guess. Let me double-check...
[14:02] <dpm> $ rmadison libgweather
[14:02] <dpm> libgweather | 2.22.1.1-0ubuntu2 |         hardy | source
[14:02] <dpm> libgweather | 2.22.3-0ubuntu2 | hardy-updates | source
[14:02] <dpm> libgweather | 2.28.0-1ubuntu2 |        karmic | source
[14:02] <dpm> libgweather | 2.30.0-0ubuntu1 |         lucid | source
[14:02] <dpm> libgweather | 2.30.3-0ubuntu1 |      maverick | source
[14:02] <dpm> libgweather | 2.30.3-1ubuntu1 |         natty | source
[14:02] <dpm> libgweather | 3.0.2-0ubuntu1 |       oneiric | source
[14:03] <dpm> so it looks we switched to 3.0 in oneiric and 2.x will not be used, so it should be safe to just rename the entry to 'libgweather' and approve it.
[14:04] <andrejz> that's what why thought but wasn't certain, thanks
[14:07] <andrejz> since evolution 2.x is also going to be replaced by 3.x in 11.10 (and will be the only version) I am wondering why we renamed alredy imported template to evolution 2.32 and disabled it instead of just verwriting it like was the case with lobgweather
[14:07] <serfus> dpm, never got a chance to say thanks yesterday, so many thanks :-)
[14:08] <dpm> serfus, you're welcome, I saw you submitted your first fix, awesome! :)
[14:11] <andrejz> dpm, can you answer my dilemma from above?
[14:17] <dpm> andrejz, that's a good point. Both approaches would have worked, but renaming as libgweather is perhaps better. I can't remember why we needed to rename it: it might have been a mistake on my part, or it might be that both templates had already been imported and we had to rename one of them, as a source package can't have two equally named templates
[14:17] <andrejz> yes it was the second thing, now i remember, thanks
[14:23] <kelemengabor> if we are at the templates, could someone explain why got gsettings-desktop-schemase such a high priority? AFAIK its strings are not even visible.
[14:56] <dpm> hi kelemengabor, let me have a look...
[14:57] <kelemengabor> dpm: its on the second page: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+lang/hu/+index?start=75&batch=75
[14:59] <dpm> kelemengabor, so do you think it should be rather treated as if it were a CLI package and be given a priority in the 18th category in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/TemplatesPriority ?
[15:00] <dpm> kelemengabor, actually, rather than telling me and me changing it, you can probably change it yourself on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+templates and it'll be quicker :)
[15:00] <kelemengabor> well, about so... like GUI, non-default
[15:00] <kelemengabor> sure, just wanted to be sure that I'm not mistaken
[15:01] <kelemengabor> and you don't know something that I should too :)
[15:01] <dpm> :-)
[15:08] <kelemengabor> changed both in natty and oneiric
[15:09] <dpm> great, thanks kelemengabor
[15:11] <kelemengabor> also, now that we have https://translations.launchpad.net/serverguide, the serverguide template is safe to remove from oneiric, right?
[15:13] <dpm> yes, good catch
[15:16] <kelemengabor> done, I think I'll send a mail about this, because stats were a little bit nicer in oneiric than in upstream
[15:17] <kelemengabor> 8 languages at 100% vs 2
[15:19] <dpm> kelemengabor, hm, then something went wrong, I asked the docs team about this, and they said they had exported all translations from the source package to the upstream project
[15:20] <dpm> before doing the move to an upstream project
[15:20] <kelemengabor> oh no... I couldn't change the priority of gsettings-desktop-schemas :(
[15:20] <kelemengabor> it says "Constraint not satisfied" under the Owner field
[15:20] <kelemengabor> what the...
[15:21] <dpm> ah, wait, I think I had this problem before, perhaps is the owner no longer in launchpad?
[15:21] <dpm> try to set the owner to the last uploader, or just to rosetta-admins, I think that should work
[15:22] <kelemengabor> okay, got it :)
[15:26] <kelemengabor> anyways, I exported the serverguide po files, I'll put it up to my p.u.c folder, perhaps this can save the folks a few clicks
[15:26] <dpm> kelemengabor, ah, cool, thanks, yeah, just make sure you let the ubuntu-docs team folks about it
[15:27] <dpm> I'm just typing too quick, it's not that I can't talk... sorry for the poor sentence :)
[15:34] <kelemengabor> I don't know what the docs people imported. all templates there were last updated on 05-22, while the last change in oneiric was on 05-07 yet the numbers don't match, and the import queue is empty.
[15:49] <kelemengabor> okay, mail sent
[16:13] <RawChid> dpm, I guess set_pot_priority has the highest priority to work on right now?
[16:13] <dpm> thanks kelemengabor
[16:16] <dpm> hey RawChid, yeah, if you feel you want to do any of the TODO's in the file, just go for it, although the tool is fine as it's working now. One thing that would be interesting to do would be to have a similar tool to change the name of templates, and I'm still thinking of the best way to do this without duplicating code. Perhaps a TemplateManagerApp class that can be instanced in all of the tools that work with templates, where the tool itself wou
[16:16] <dpm> ld only pass the parameter of the property that needs changing (i.e. priority, or name, etc) to the TemplateManagerApp...
[16:17] <RawChid> Oh, didn't know it was already working.
[16:20] <dpm> RawChid, yeah, I used it to mass-change the priorities in oneiric already. If you use the staging LP server (the default option, as you implemented it) you should be able to change priorities for testing too. I gave you permissions on staging so that you could test it
[16:20] <RawChid> I'm also interesting in building a (PPA) package.
[16:21] <RawChid> Okay, I'll look into it later this day.
[16:25] <dpm> RawChid, yeah, we should definitely have a PPA, but I think I'd wait until the tools are more stable
[16:27] <RawChid> Oke, but I'm just interesing in how to do that kind of stuff :P.
[16:27] <RawChid> BBL, good day
[16:27] <dpm> RawChid, sure :)
[16:28] <dpm> I mean, if you're interested in learning that, by all means try, it's all about finding something interesting to work on to scratch an itch
[17:57] <andrejz> dpm i have a question
[17:58] <andrejz> ubuntu documentation is supposed to translated in the upstream project from now on
[17:58] <andrejz> does it then make sense to also have it as a part of ubuntu translations
[18:00] <AJenbo> andrejz, ubuntu serverdocs are being moved out of ubuntu translations
[18:01] <dpm> andrejz, that was only for the server guide, the ubuntu docs are translatable both in the upstream project and in Ubuntu. Thanks to message sharing you can translate in both locations
[18:01] <andrejz> ok, thanks for clarification
[18:36] <andrejz> dpm, i am glad to announce have finished the work on the import queue
[18:39] <andrejz> unity-doc is currently the only package in import queue with status "needs review" older than 2 days
[18:41] <dpm> andrejz, excellent, yeah, I'll talk tomorrow with the desktop guys to see what we should do with it
[18:41] <dpm> good work!
[18:42] <andrejz> thanks :)
[18:42] <andrejz> is qapt going to be default in kubuntu 11.10?
[18:45] <andrejz> now i only need to set priority for newly imported packages
[18:45] <andrejz> so everything is ready to open 11.10 for tranlsations right after alpha 1
[18:54] <kelemengabor> dpm: so, opening up translations will happen this Friday?
[18:55] <dpm> kelemengabor, yeah, I think if all goes well we could go for it on Friday
[18:55] <kelemengabor> okay, I'll be on it :)
[18:55] <dpm> cool :)
[18:55] <dpm> I'll start writing the announcement tomorrow
[18:56] <dpm> and now time to call it a day... see you all tomorrow!
[18:56] <dpm> and thanks to everyone for the great work, btw :)