[00:33] yay CC0 :) [01:46] Man, the more time passes the more irratating 90% of the content on the web gets. [01:47] I'm turning into an old curmudgeon [01:51] rick_h_: I think you're just upset because peple don't want to think [01:52] they see ORM as "I don't have to write SQL", not "I can treat these things as objects" [01:52] well, no, that happens in all walks of the world [01:52] in jquery it's "How can I do for loops in jQuery" [01:52] in PHP it's "how can I store people's sessions" [01:52] they all have their users that don't understand wtf they're using/doing underneath the tool [01:53] but to rant on the tool "RoR makes people stupid because they don't know how..." [01:53] is what irritates me [01:53] It's the magicians that are irritating [01:53] people shouldn't do OOP, after all, they don't understand how they're destroying the memory profile of their application when they create 50,000 instances of giant objects [01:54] Or rather, those who believe in true computer magic [01:54] magicians who know how the trick is done and know the sleight-of-hand they're performing are fine [01:54] sometimes magic is ok for beginners [01:54] those who see the results, and then try to pull rabbits out of their baseball cap at home are irritating. [01:55] once you realize your performance sucks because you're doing a loop and inside of that loop a query per iteration...you'll look for the right way to fix that [01:55] Reminds me of the nested for / if-then code that I saw a particular VB coder do [01:56] select * from table a; for i in read rows; if value = column then break; next [01:56] except it kept going for about 5 tables deep [01:56] I looked at that and said "fuck this, I'm rewriting it in Perl." [01:57] yea, I always press in my SA talks that you don't get away with not knowing SQL. Sorry, just doesn't work that way [01:57] Since they were looking to put it on the web at some point anyway. [01:57] like using jQuery doesn't mean you don't ahve to learn Javascript [01:57] It's like learning to use a word processor doesn't mean you don't have to know how to write. [01:58] or using a calculator doesn't mean you don't have to know algebra. [01:58] It's a tool. [01:58] yea [02:00] You're always going to get that, though, especially with things that are different like SQL, Javascript, or what have you. [02:01] "SQL is hard, I'll use a ORM instead". "I can use jQuery to make nice widgets, so I don't have to worry about Javascript" [02:01] "I can just drag and drop these widgets on this frame and make a VB application" [02:02] There's always someone looking for a shortcut. [02:02] And like the man says, there's no silver bullet [02:59] its ok. they will write shit that scale for shit if they use an ORM that way [03:25] Scaling? Shit, the code's done when the compiler's run. [03:25] And the errors = none [03:36] http://music.fishbone.net/album/truth-and-soul [03:38] Man, if Fishbone released their stuff as CC licensed music, I'd have a musicgasm. [03:40] * snap-l now regrets getting rid of The Reality of My Surroundings. [03:40] I wasn't ready. [03:41] http://music.fishbone.net/album/the-reality-of-my-surroundings [12:46] ouch, too much yard work yesterday makes for groggy Tues [12:51] i didn't overdo it for once. mowed front yard, rested, went to park, rested, weed whacked back yard [12:51] no sun burn and little soreness [13:11] wait, rick_h_ linking to a bkuhn blog post? oh, its about power users ranting, not licenses, got it :P [13:17] greg-g: :) [13:18] I know, I had to reread who it was posting that a few times [13:18] but I hit that back in LTS [13:18] drove me nuts that my .Xmodmap failed and had to do all kinds of crap to try to get my stuff tweaked [13:18] suck [13:18] yea, complete. Miss my xorg.conf some days [13:25] Should've just used GNOME all along. ;) [13:27] yea, cause that's been smooth with no transitions/changes at all [13:27] :P [13:27] I haven't had any XModmap issues. :) [13:27] I leave my keys where God intends them. ;P [13:28] yea, so sorry I care about ease of use, effeciency, and thinking for myself :) [13:28] wCtrl-J for escape is not efficiency. :) [13:29] CTRL-[ for escape is using the correct keypress. ;) [13:29] no xmodmap required. [13:29] ctrl to caplock...xmodmap [13:29] old ctrl to caps lock...xmodmap [13:29] ctrl to capslock = sacrilege. [13:29] fixing different keyboards swapping mod4 + alt [13:29] xmodmap [13:30] come on, surely as a new unity fan needing consistant windows key locatino for all those fancy keyboard shortcuts you have now, you can appreciate the need to move them around [13:30] That's also using the GNOME keyboard tool [13:30] heh, and that's the meat of it isn't it. [13:34] http://ubuntuone.com/p/wgt/ [13:34] ^^ works for me. ;) [13:37] http://ubuntuone.com/p/wgt/ <- I love how this says that it's "the Sony CD-R 50 pack" [13:37] as if there's only one per store. === smoser` is now known as smoser [14:15] OK, could someone turn off the heat, please? [14:16] <_stink__> my thermostat's broken [14:16] <_stink__> the one labeled "Earth" [14:16] Please get someone out to fix it [14:16] I'm starting to consider working in the crawlspace. [14:17] basement offices ftw [14:18] Single story homes with no AC FTL. [14:18] no AC?! [14:18] Nope [14:18] dude, my garage code is XXX [14:19] head over [14:19] heh [14:22] yeah, no AC at my place either, luckily the library has AC (when it works and my office isn't 80) [14:24] Ugh [14:44] got a basement? [14:44] jrwren: No [14:44] slab? [14:44] crawlspace. [14:45] UGH... thtat is the WORST!!! [14:45] rent or own? [14:45] jrwren: Thanks for validating. ;) [14:45] rent [14:46] at least you don't own that shit hole. [14:50] heh [14:56] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQ5Mw [14:56] cleancache sounds awesome [15:14] anyone on natty use mutt? [15:14] i thought all mutt users were required to use a crusty old tiling window manager [15:17] brousch: :P [15:17] brousch: all mutt users are just those who appreciate a quality application that lets them get their work done faster :) [15:18] exactly the kid of person that would use a tiling window manager [15:21] brousch: ok, yeah, there is some overlap ;) [15:48] OK, new AC unit ordered via Amazon [15:48] though i'm a little ticked because one unit that I was looking at got bought up before I could purchase it. :) [15:49] Was $179 with prime, then became $202 without Prime [15:51] :( [15:51] Yeah, so I got the 5000 BTU model one step below instead of the 6000 BTU unit [15:54] Hmm, dad just called. Costco has a Sharp model with 8000 BTU for 179 [15:55] ruh roh [15:55] canceled the Amazon order. :) [15:55] good, glad you still could [15:58] Yeah, and it's local, so if it doesn't work out, no wories shipping it back. ;) [16:01] this is one of the straightest lined storms I've seen in a while: http://www.wunderground.com/radar/mixedcomposite.asp?region=a4&size=2x&ID=DTX19&MR=1 [16:01] (look now, it might not be straight if you read scrollback! :P) [16:01] Wow. I've seen them horizontal, but not vertical like that [16:02] I knew you would appreciate that. I've become a radar watcher this spring with all those storms [16:02] JoDee's the radar watcher. :) [16:02] I just happened to pick up a little along the way [16:02] We call her and her sister the Baker Weather Service. [16:02] greg-g: weatherbug has a really nice radar app on android [16:03] hah [16:03] so you can watch the radar from anywhere [16:03] brousch: ok ok, I'll get a smart phone (soon)(ish)(like later) [16:03] :) [16:03] I <3 Wunderground [16:03] so we knew exactly when to flee binder park zoo (battle creek) on sunday [16:05] ensemble looks intresting... we always handled it with dssh and apt-get :) [16:06] <3 Wunderground too [16:09] greg-g: on that zed link vs github [16:09] I'm failing to miss the github issue here, I mean they're missing a block feature [16:09] but I'm missing how he's proved any connection that they harassed, etc? [16:09] the employees at github are also partaking in such juvenile jokes [16:10] they didn't harass him personally, and he never said they did, just that the employees at github do this exact same gag to others (but not him) [16:10] where was a github employee? I saw him linking to some engine yard and says "and github employees" but all the specific people linked were engine yard I could see [16:11] ruby sounds like a great community [16:14] assholes [16:14] i should saw... great people and a few loud assholes. [16:14] i can't stand the 5x5 podcast guys. [16:14] the snark is so thick i want to kick them. [16:16] jrwren: violence is not the answer. mailing flaming bags of poo is [16:17] i'll just wait until i run into one of 'em at a conference then I'll kick 'em in the shins [16:19] Or bring a megaphone and yell "FUCK YOU" right behind 'em. [16:19] ... ooh... orchestra sounds sweet too. [16:19] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2011-March/005411.html [16:20] snap-l: yeah, last time i reallly didn't like someone because they seemed a jerk on podcasts i swore if i met 'em in IRL i'd punch 'em in the face... adn then I didn't. [16:20] i met him and he turned out to be pretty cool. [16:20] Because it's just not worth it. [16:20] right. [16:20] but shin kicking... shin kicking might be doable. [16:21] a face slap might be good too... [16:21] What did the hand say to teh face? [16:21] Or a simple "Hi, I'm the lead developer of ... and I'd like to ask you about your remarks in episode ... " [16:22] because I feel they were quite unfounded, ignorant, and completely missed the mark [16:22] snark-haters [16:22] Wolfger: cork it. :) [16:22] I think that's going to be my new anti-wolfger statement. ;) [16:22] wolfger-hater [16:23] guilty as charged. ;) [16:23] ouch [16:24] Nah, I'm just messing with you. [16:28] Too late. Your words have stung me. I'm now going to leave the country. [16:29] for roughly 8 days. Then I'll be back with a vengeance [16:29] snap-l: but that is the thing... they KNOW that they are wrong. They aren't ignorant, but they are snarky still. [16:29] like ENDLESSLY making fun of python whitespace significance. [16:29] SHIN KICK [16:29] heh [16:30] i suggest you stop listening to the podcast [16:30] there are many others [16:30] welcome to the internet. Snarkiness has been elevated to art form. [16:30] but they do have good info. [16:30] SHIN KICK [16:31] * Wolfger makes a note to wear shin guards around jrwren [16:33] and steel-toed boots [16:33] so you can kick him back [16:45] shin guards go better with either cleats or hockey skates.... [17:08] Mongolian BBQ now has "cervezaritas"? Why on earth would you pollute a good margarita with beer? Or vice versa? [17:09] sounds ghastly [17:13] http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2011/master-slave/ ok really??! [17:16] we should also get rid of the terminology "server", since that has connotations of inequality. [17:16] and "web," since spider webs are icky [17:17] I mean, how long before it's a crime to refer to your boss as a "slave driver"? [17:17] I want to see someone personally offended due to a real connection between the term/past [17:17] just wait until that person discovers hardware connectors [17:17] I think we're far enough away that I doubt it's any sort of personal reaction [17:18] oh, is this a site where just anyone can post anything? [17:20] oh, no. I guess it does just belong to one guy [17:27] ooh, just found code similar to this in one of our C# applications: http://vpaste.net/6u7dP? [17:27] that's awesome :) [17:27] I swapped out the conditions, mainly just the chaining of ternary operators on first class functions [17:29] then providing some sort of default no-op delegate, and immediatly invoking it [17:31] rick_h_: I assume he would strenuously object to renaming master/slave as "plantation owner/n*****".... [17:32] rick_h_: Yeah, I've heard that there's this push to remove master / slave from the vocabulary of computing [17:33] I'm writing my reply [17:33] why do people feel the need to imbue words with so much power? Master: that which controls. Slave: that which is controlled. It's really quite simple and (in reference to inanimate objects) innocuous. [17:33] because someone saw Roots, and feels it necessary to remove that stigma from their computing environment [17:33] bah [17:34] Which is why we can no longer have a time where our hammers might be used to their fullest potential, without invoking the dreaded "Hammer Time" [17:34] snap-l: damn you [17:35] maybe we should change the terminology to mass-media-pundit/unthinking-masses [17:35] I mean, nobody thought about those poor hard-working millers before we took away their time, and turned it into Miller Time [17:35] snap-l: can't touch this [17:36] Would folks prefer we use the terms Conservative / Liberal for Master / Slave? [17:36] Dominant / Submissive? [17:36] http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2011/master-slave/ there [17:37] let it be known I'm pro-slavery (so long as it doesn't involve humans) [17:37] rick_h_: speciesist! [17:37] I'm pro slavery, as long as it's between two consenting adults. [17:37] ++ [17:38] and ++ on rick_h_'s comment [17:39] but what about dolphins? [17:39] enslave them...find me the landmines you #@%*-es [17:39] brousch: thank you for the Rob Halford dolphin image that I just conjured in my mine. [17:39] they have been eslaved (enlisted) into helping the navy plant explosive charges.... [17:39] mind, rather [17:39] or find them, or something [17:40] they've been enslaved, they will be again [17:40] I'm just getting a bit tired of the PC police finding stupid semantics wars to fight [17:40] When will they go to the breeders and say that they can't use the word bitch because it's offensive to female dogs? [17:41] LOL [17:41] that day is coming, I'm sure [17:41] So they'll come up with a new word, and suddenly we'll have a new battle to fight [17:41] Humbug, the lot of it. [17:42] and at the time that word was one of the 7 deadly words. [17:42] It's like the word retarded. Used to be a kinder way of saying idiot [17:42] but now it's even more offensive. [17:42] right, exactly I've met mentally handicapped people that might find the term offensive [17:42] I've never met a former slave [17:42] any of you? [17:43] we find different ways to drop the F-bomb, and that doesn't please people... they just start wanting to ban all the new alternatives [17:43] not to my knowledge. [17:43] that's my thing, if former slaves with that mental state were reading database books...ok [17:43] I await the day when "shut the front door" is deemed offensive. [17:43] but come on, we've reached that statute of limitatinos [17:43] Slave drives under IDE? [17:43] door men of the world cringe at that thought snap-l [17:44] The problem isn't the word, it's the intent [17:44] limitatinos? Is that a racial slur? ;-) [17:44] Which is why I have a real problem with the FCC's censorship, but that's a whole bag of worms [18:17] you know what's kind of messed up. android has more malware than osx or linux [18:21] Where do we nominate *buntu names? I want to suggest Rabid Ratel for Oneiric +3... [18:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeybadger [18:22] Wolfger: you have to talk to mark shuttleworth in person to suggest names [18:39] there's a wiki page, but I doubt it is taken seriously [18:39] Hey, wunderground hippies.... Have you ever tried weatherspark? http://weatherspark.com/#!graphs;a=Germany/Stuttgart [18:41] Not sure if JoDee has seen that. [18:43] I also adore weatherspark, it is info-loving goodness [18:43] I like that graph view a lot. [18:43] but, sometimes quite wrong [18:43] I hope this is one of those times.... [18:44] I would love for there to NOT be a 75-85% chance of rain on my only scheduled day off in Germany. [18:46] and also the following 3 nights :-p [18:47] At least the day my plane touches down should be good weather... [18:47] Wolfger: watcha doin in germany? [18:50] workin' for da man [18:50] it's a master/slave thing ;-) [18:51] machine checkouts for a "seat and guide press" machine, as part of authorization to ship. [18:51] and they are not ready for me, but I am going anyways, to breath down their necks a bit. Fun stuff. [18:53] wow, are you bringing your SCA equipment to intimidate? [18:53] Theory is, they will be ready on Monday, so I spend a partial day Thursday and all day Friday/Saturday "making sure we are ready". [18:53] greg-g: I would not want the hassle of getting that stuff through the airport [18:54] Wolfger: you beat me to it!! [18:54] Wolfger: was reading the backlog adn saw the platation owner/**** [18:54] * jrwren now has Depeche Mode's Master and Servant in his head. [18:54] LOL [18:54] <_stink__> jrwren++ [18:55] <_stink__> same here [18:55] jrwren: we are on the same page with that [18:55] DM was the first thing in my head, too [18:58] Hmm... IRCCloud is very nice, but is it subscription-worthy? That is the question. [18:59] i'm trying to get my hands on a Cr-48. i think that will make irccloud much more valuable [18:59] I could live with the $3/month level of service, and I'm sure I can afford $3 a month, but is it $3/month better than webchat? [19:00] Oh yes, if I used my cr-48 more often, IRCCloud would definitely be the way to go [19:02] you have one? === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ [19:14] Yes. [19:18] bastard [19:18] Yes. [19:20] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrgP1u5YWEg [19:21] Herbie Hakcock is definitely on my list of musicians I owe a case of beer [19:22] snap-l: i'm tired enough at 2pm. i don't need you putting me to sleep [19:23] does that guitarist seriously have a cheat sheet ala vim commands? [19:32] Herbie Hancock++ [19:32] Herbie Hakcock, however, notsomuch. :-D [19:48] brousch: I think that's Pat Metheney [19:48] so God Knows what's on that guitar. [19:48] He's quite a gadget freak [19:48] 1990s era gadgets [19:53] The outside thermometer says 112F [19:53] while that's likely because it's in the sunlight, it wouldn't surprise me [19:53] is it taped to your dryer vent? [19:55] dryer vent. hahahahahaha [20:07] #hook The PCs must persuade stubborn fruit-bearing tree-men. "There's no need to argue; pear ents just don't understand." -sjm [20:32] interesting, esp to you freetards http://www.syncany.org/ [20:33] blah, there's no release yet [20:34] is that the new thing that matt zimmermen went to? [20:35] no, that's http://www.singly.com/ [20:35] well that's not confusing [20:35] heh, it's hard to come up with good catchy names nowadays [20:35] CPU Temperature: +49.0°C (high = +65.0°C, crit = +95.0°C) [20:35] MB Temperature: +61.0°C (high = +45.0°C, crit = +95.0°C) [20:36] I'm meeeeelting [20:36] Catchly: my new cloud service for generating catchy names [20:37] brassuns.com -< My new could data store service [20:38] gives you 5 minute warnings before your data is lost, or your money back [20:38] (but not your data) [20:38] could data store, how fitting [20:38] could be there, could be not there [20:39] shroedinger's data store [20:39] We cannot ascertain without observing the data whether the data is your data, or someone else's data [20:40] or is in fact garbage data. [20:41] but, right now you have a 1 in 3 chance it is, in fact, your correct data. Do you want us to observe it and take that 1 in 3 chance? [20:42] Actually, we only give tech journalists the service that works [20:42] everyone else will get garbage. [20:42] ie: Scoble gets good data [20:44] Severe Thunderstorm Watch [20:44] you said journalists [20:44] Well, digierati [20:44] ok [21:10] why isn't apache configured for Expires headers by default? [22:08] http://www.techradar.com/news/software/free-software-is-facing-a-monumental-test-959108 [22:08] Qt is deprecated. ;) [22:24] Man, I wish there was upvoting on certain blogs [22:24] http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2011/master-slave/#comment-769376392170df262c1090ef7a9e2205 [22:24] This is 100% awesome [22:48] Snap-l: like Google +1d? [22:50] Didn't the city of la require hard drives for government use to go with primary secondary [22:50] Because of the slave thing? [22:51] Yeah it did http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/master.asp