[02:19] <JonathanD> Good morning.
[02:21] <waltman> JonathanD: You've really got to restart your ntpd.
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> I just woke up
[02:21] <ChinnoDog> I was napping. I'm pretty sure it isn't morning yet.
[02:21] <JonathanD> waltman: tring to get a jump on tuesday, ya know.
[02:21] <JonathanD> We got back from camping tonight.
[02:22] <waltman> Did you get to break in your new bearlight?
[02:22] <JonathanD> Nope
[02:22] <JonathanD> left it here
[02:22] <waltman> oh noes!
[02:23] <JonathanD> only 5 losses though.
[02:23] <waltman> Did anyone die of dissentary, or was it all the bears?
[02:24] <JonathanD> just bears.
[02:24] <JonathanD> and one fording the river.
[02:25] <teddy-dbear> I'm still here :-D
[02:31] <waltman> teddy-dbear: your belly looks a lot fatter!
[02:31] <teddy-dbear> thank you
[02:32] <teddy-dbear> it's all the chocolate and cookies :-D
[02:32] <waltman> and campers!
[02:32] <teddy-dbear> not me :P
[02:35] <InHisName> just the bear neccessities
[02:37] <teddy-dbear> yeah, cookies and candy :-[
[02:37] <waltman> and picinic baskets
[02:37] <teddy-dbear> and cake too
[02:37] <teddy-dbear> only if they have some of the above
[03:04] <InHisName> Old neccessities:  salmon, fish, honey, nuts, berries
[03:05] <InHisName> and if you're a grizzly    wild acting campers
[03:23] <waltman> I think bearlights might be edible if you add enough ketchup
[04:06] <InHisName> nom nom
[12:00] <rmg51> JonathanD:  must be sleeping in
[12:00] <rmg51> so in his place....
[12:00] <rmg51> Good Morning Pa. :-D
[12:02] <JonathanD> Morning.
[12:03] <JonathanD> hi rmg51 :P
[12:17] <rmg51> hi and bye
[12:17] <rmg51> time for work
[12:58] <jthan> What do we all use to track website visitors and usage statistics?
[13:00] <teddy-dbear> magic :-D
[13:04] <teddy-dbear> dang 11.04
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> just doesn't like to come out of hibernation right
[13:05] <teddy-dbear> time to log out to set things right
[13:47] <InHisName> quick logout & turnaround
[13:52] <andrew> mroning
[14:12] <InHisName> Good morning, andrew
[14:17] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:17] <andrew> morning
[14:17] <teddy-dbear> morning all
[14:31] <erstazi> morning *
[14:31] <erstazi> the kernel is now at 3.0rc1.
[14:32] <erstazi> waiting for the ppa to complete the build then I am going to grab it. (the mainline ppa is much quicker than compiling my own these days)
[19:11] <InHisName> erstazi: what kernel?   something to do with ubuntu or virtualbox or ???
[19:41] <ChinnoDog> Anyone here using Cyanogen?
[19:47] <waltman> All the cool kids?
[19:47] <PennBot> I guess All the cool kids are doing it, waltman
[19:48] <waltman> as I thought!
[19:52] <jthan> Hey - cell phones cause cancer
[19:56] <teddy-dbear> bunk :-/
[19:59] <ChinnoDog> waltman: are you using it?
[20:00] <waltman> I don't think it works on my iPhone :)
[20:00] <ChinnoDog> But, all the cool kids are doing it
[20:00] <waltman> some friends on another channel have been talking about it
[20:01]  * waltman isn't cool :(
[20:01] <jthan> ChinnoDog: are you using it?
[20:01] <ChinnoDog> Not yet
[20:01] <jthan> "not yet"
[20:01] <jthan> that's like telling all the girls you've got a convertible on the way
[20:01] <jthan> It /almost/ impresses them.
[20:01] <jthan> but then they call your bluff
[20:01] <ChinnoDog> My phone is getting slow and my battery life sucks. I am considering installing Cyanogen for better battery life and so I can monitor/adjust performance characteristics
[20:01] <jthan> I always wondered why stuff just "got slow"
[20:01] <jthan> Macs do that
[20:01] <jthan> they run great for a year
[20:02] <jthan> then they just "get slow"
[20:02] <jthan> waltman: ^ can you relate?
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> Different operating systems do it for different reasons
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> There is too much stuff going on in the background on android. It might not be CPU/IO priority controlled because it causes the system to lag
[20:02] <waltman> jthan: yes
[20:02] <ChinnoDog> There is also too much network traffic I think, but there isn't an easy way to control that
[20:02] <waltman> jthan: I
[20:03] <waltman> jthan: ...
[20:03] <waltman> jthan: can
[20:03] <jthan> waltman: do you know a solution?
[20:03] <waltman> Oh, I thought you meant was *I* getting slow!
[20:03] <jthan> I find it's a hardware thing, honestly. I can reinstall until my heart is content, never seems to be the same as when you buy it
[20:03] <ChinnoDog> If my phone were rooted I would try lowering the priority of the background process
[20:03] <jthan> Lolol
[20:03] <jthan> waltman: You're only as old as you feel, sir.
[20:04] <waltman> In this heat, I feel pretty damn old.
[20:05] <erstazi> InHisName: linux kernel
[20:05] <waltman> My theory on osx is that some of the recent snow leopard updates have increased memory usage leading to more paging
[20:05] <waltman> true on my iphone, too
[20:05] <waltman> well, true that I think it
[20:06] <erstazi> jthan: "not clearly established that it does cause cancer in humans"
[20:06] <waltman> iphone performance can be helped a little by killing some apps you're not using
[20:06] <jthan> Yeah - I kill mine each night before bed, and then each morning I reboot the phone
[20:07] <jthan> Maybe it's in my head, but I feel like I do better battery and performance wise that way
[20:07] <waltman> seriously?
[20:07] <PennBot> I am serious. And don't call me Shirley
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> A study this past February by the National
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> Institute of Health did find that cell phones
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> do impact brain activity, but do not cause
[20:07] <teddy-dbear> cancer.
[20:07] <ChinnoDog> lol. scheduled iPhone reboot
[20:07] <erstazi> teddy-dbear: haha
[20:07] <jthan> erstazi: I know, I know. I don' necesarily buy it myself, but I was just making controversial remarks :-P
[20:07] <erstazi> jthan: I know, and it is funny
[20:08] <erstazi> InHisName: and I mean the linux kernel when I talk about 3.0-rc1
[20:08] <jthan> waltman: ChinnoDog: Yeah, really. I don't know if it's just me, or what.. but my iPhone 4 doesn't last me until bed time whilst using 3G
[20:08] <erstazi> recently, I upgraded to a new kernel for my n900 and the battery life last much longer
[20:08] <jthan> Lots of times I drop it down to EDGE
[20:08] <erstazi> I could go 24 hours and it barely used 1/4 battery
[20:08] <waltman> depends what I'm doing on it
[20:08] <erstazi> but still wifi sucks the battery
[20:09] <jthan> WiFi /saves/ battery, sir.
[20:09] <jthan> :-P
[20:09] <erstazi> I don't have it on "intermediate mode" though. I would get better performance with that but I noticed too many dropped packages when using "intermediate mode" because I use WPA2.
[20:09] <erstazi> jthan: right, compared to 3G
[20:09] <jthan> Yes.
[20:10] <jthan> ssweeny: were you the crazy guy with the freerunner?
[20:10] <ssweeny> jthan, i have one, yeah
[20:10] <jthan> Still using it, then..
[20:10] <jthan> ?
[20:11] <erstazi> ssweeny: do you have a Neo 1973? or the Neo FreeRunner?
[20:11] <waltman> You know what really sucks the battery life dry?  Angry Birds.
[20:11] <erstazi> waltman: yep
[20:12] <erstazi> I play that a lot on my n900 (or my son does)
[20:12] <erstazi> he loves that game
[20:12] <jthan> lol. Oh boy
[20:12] <jthan> I like tiny wings way better
[20:12] <jthan> much more mindless
[20:12] <erstazi> haha
[20:13] <erstazi> isn't that based on wavespark?
[20:14] <jthan> yes, kinda.
[20:14]  * ssweeny has a freerunner and n900
[20:14] <jthan> It's more of an "inspiration"
[20:14] <ssweeny> should be easy to guess which one i use daily
[20:14] <erstazi> ssweeny: what kernel are you running?
[20:14] <erstazi> s/kernel/kernel version/
[20:14] <ssweeny> erstazi, on which?
[20:15] <erstazi> ssweeny: both
[20:15] <erstazi> both are debian
[20:15] <ssweeny> n900 is 2.6.28
[20:16] <ssweeny> don't remember what the freerunner uses but it's probably close
[20:16]  * erstazi is using 2.6.28.10power42 but is thinking of upgrading to 2.6.28.10power47. 
[20:16] <erstazi> the free hotspotting is nice.
[20:16]  * ssweeny hasn't updated his freerunner in 18 months or so
[20:16] <erstazi> btw, t-mobile has a non-contract plan of $50 a month for unlimited talk, unlimited text, and unlimited web (3G).
[20:17] <erstazi> the deal is with the web, you have up to 100mb of 4G then it goes down to 3G. but with the n900 you only have 3G (unless you mod it).
[20:17] <jthan> 100mb..
[20:18] <jthan> that lasts.. a day?
[20:18] <erstazi> jthan: but you don't have 4G with the n900 (;
[20:18] <jthan> Sure, but if you did...
[20:18] <erstazi> so it is unlimited regardless
[20:18] <erstazi> jthan: right but that is at least a step forward toward how Europe's rates are (:
[20:18] <jthan> Why bother with the 100mb of 4g? :-P
[20:19] <erstazi> jthan: I don't bother with it because I cannot use it (: haha
[20:19] <jthan> How is multitasking with Maemo?
[20:19] <jthan> Does it suspend apps, or truly run them in the background?
[20:20] <erstazi> jthan: quite good even before overclocking my phone
[20:20] <erstazi> jthan: it does run them in the background
[20:20] <erstazi> I did overclock it to 1.15(??) Ghz but didn't want to do that high. didn't do anything wrong but was afraid of damaging it.
[20:21] <erstazi> but I brought it back down to I think 860? I am not sure
[20:21] <jthan> Default is?
[20:21] <erstazi> even at the default 600mhz, it is "snappy" but you see a difference when overclocking at the 'ideal' config
[20:21] <jthan> Gotcha.
[20:22] <erstazi> just wish that there was more ram
[20:22] <jthan> Just wish it worked with AT&T ;-)
[20:22] <erstazi> jthan: it does
[20:22] <jthan> or.. at least their 3G
[20:22] <erstazi> jthan: it does
[20:22] <jthan> ooooh boy
[20:22] <erstazi> jthan: you can use CDMA or GSM with the N900
[20:23] <erstazi> jthan: I had AT&T with 3G on it and then when my contract ended with AT&T, I switched to T-Mobile's non-contract plan. it is the best deal, honestly.
[20:23] <erstazi> contract plans are a joke in the U.S.
[20:23] <jthan> how do you install software on it?
[20:23] <jthan> I'm being a pain, probably. I could look this up :-P
[20:24] <erstazi> jthan: well, it is debian-based so you can choose from a selection of GUI application managers (one built in or installer 2 others) or use apt-get or aptitude
[20:24] <jthan> and can you just put anything on it you want?
[20:24] <erstazi> yes
[20:24] <erstazi> personally, I like Faster Application Manager.
[20:24] <erstazi> but I use aptitude a lot
[20:25] <erstazi> you will see a lot of n900's for about $600 but I paid $200 for mine, brand new.
[20:25] <jthan> How'd you get it so cheap?
[20:25] <erstazi> ebay, some guy didn't list the phone right and it was brand new in the box. it was listed as brand new but he messed up the listing badly.
[20:25] <jthan> Lucky.
[20:26] <erstazi> yep
[20:26] <erstazi> and he even sent me an extra charger for free.
[20:27] <jthan> Anyway.. Pays me to stick with AT&T.  I'm on my dad's family plan so my voice is 10 bucks, data is another 25
[20:28] <erstazi> that's not bad
[20:28] <erstazi> but with competition, rates will go down
[20:28] <erstazi> what is the temp in SE PA?
[20:29] <jthan> 90 in bethlehem
[20:30] <erstazi> nice
[20:30] <erstazi> it is 90 here in Erie
[20:33] <andrew> It's 92 here in WC
[20:38] <ssweeny> 91 in pittsburgh
[20:42] <andrew> So... just had a bug crawing around inside an LCD screen
[20:44] <ChinnoDog> haha
[20:44] <ChinnoDog> How did you debug your LCD?
[20:49] <erstazi> andrew: seriously?
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> It must have been a pretty flat bug to be able to fit in there
[20:51] <ChinnoDog> Maybe a silverfish?
[20:52]  * ChinnoDog imagines black silverfish outline moving across his LCD
[20:55] <andrew> ChinnoDog: blurry photo on facebook/the twitter
[21:00] <ChinnoDog> That bug must be blind by now
[21:00] <ChinnoDog> Maybe you can blow it out with a can of air.
[21:06] <andrew> It stopped moving :-/
[21:07] <ChinnoDog> uh oh. It crawled back there and died
[21:07] <ChinnoDog> .. or your squished it by accident
[21:08] <ChinnoDog> On the plus side, if it died and the heat from the monitor bakes it until it is nice and crispy you might be able to shake it out
[21:12] <teddy-dbear> do bots eat bugs?
[21:13] <ChinnoDog> PennBot: bugs?
[21:13] <PennBot> bugs are animals and I like animals, ChinnoDog
[21:13] <teddy-dbear> andrew: bugs?