| TheMuso | IMO no release has been quite as good as hardy. That was the pinical of studio. | 01:10 |
|---|---|---|
| TheMuso | Mostly due to the fact that we had an RT kernel. | 01:10 |
| astraljava | Didn't use hardy that much, so can't really tell. | 01:21 |
| holstein | TheMuso: hehe | 03:36 |
| holstein | that was awesome | 03:36 |
| holstein | 64studio was based on it too | 03:36 |
| holstein | all kinds of really nice audio distros based on hardy | 03:37 |
| ScottL | hardy was my favorite too and holds a special place for me...but it was my first foray into ubuntu studio | 04:16 |
| ScottL | but hopefully oneiric comes in a close second | 04:16 |
| ScottL | holstein, good answers on the mailing list | 04:17 |
| ScottL | i wonder why exactly (i.e. giving specific, explicit, well-articulated answers) ralf feels that ardour is "professional" | 04:18 |
| ScottL | not saying that i agree or disagree, i'm curious of his reasoning | 04:18 |
| Kokito | howdy | 04:43 |
| holstein | ScottL: i know right? | 05:22 |
| holstein | i really wish he would articulate what his concerns are | 05:22 |
| holstein | we are 'off list' now though | 05:22 |
| holstein | i reached the end of what i feel like i can say constructively | 05:23 |
| ScottL | hi Kokito | 05:34 |
| ScottL | holstein, but i thought you articulated your points pretty darn well though :) | 05:35 |
| Kokito | hi ScottL & holstein | 05:35 |
| ScottL | but i'm serious, mike, about oneiric | 05:35 |
| ScottL | i think it could be a very seriously good release...if we get the -lowlatency kernel in | 05:36 |
| holstein | ScottL: w00t | 05:37 |
| holstein | im stoked | 05:37 |
| ScottL | the changes to the UI will be a bit, well i can't say revolutionary....but they will take ubuntu studio in a bit of a different direction | 05:37 |
| holstein | oneiric is going to be great | 05:37 |
| holstein | but 12.04 is what im looking foward to | 05:37 |
| ScottL | why is that? | 05:37 |
| ScottL | i have my suspicions | 05:37 |
| holstein | just the LTS and all that | 05:37 |
| holstein | XFCE round 2 | 05:38 |
| holstein | and hopefully the live installer and -lowlatency kernel :) | 05:38 |
| ScottL | i mentioned to cory that it would be nice to have a fallback for people who do not like the new UI | 05:38 |
| holstein | ScottL: yeah, but fall back to what | 05:38 |
| holstein | gnome2 is gone | 05:38 |
| ScottL | yes, the live image is what i expected | 05:38 |
| holstein | ScottL: you think some fallback unity theme? | 05:38 |
| ScottL | re: fall back - cory started with our original layout from gnome2 and built an xfce theme based on it at one point | 05:39 |
| holstein | OH | 05:39 |
| holstein | yeah, maybe | 05:39 |
| ScottL | i would like to perhaps package it as a fall back | 05:39 |
| holstein | i could go either way with that | 05:39 |
| ScottL | not the default, but something users could use | 05:39 |
| holstein | might be nice to just ease over there anyways | 05:39 |
| holstein | not change everything all at once | 05:40 |
| holstein | its still not drastic though | 05:40 |
| ScottL | but there are arguments to do it all at one, "rip the bandaid" approach | 05:40 |
| holstein | and it hasnt changed in quite a few releases | 05:40 |
| ScottL | *shrug* | 05:40 |
| holstein | ScottL: yeah | 05:40 |
| holstein | who knows | 05:40 |
| holstein | one things for sure | 05:40 |
| holstein | some folks are going to hate it, no matter what | 05:40 |
| ScottL | lol, yes, i would expect that | 05:41 |
| ScottL | i think i'd rather make drastic changes now than either | 05:41 |
| ScottL | 1. doing it for a LTS | 05:41 |
| ScottL | 2. wait another whole year | 05:41 |
| ScottL | getting up in ~6 hours....talk to you later :) | 05:41 |
| saidinesh5 | morning folks :) | 05:41 |
| holstein | yeah | 05:41 |
| holstein | its time | 05:41 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: hello | 05:42 |
| saidinesh5 | oh good night ScottL :D | 05:42 |
| saidinesh5 | i personally think AWN is a really good idea for US | 05:42 |
| saidinesh5 | hello holstein :) | 05:42 |
| saidinesh5 | fianlly customized my Ubuntu Studio to my Usual Gnome2 Style : everything replaced with AWN :) | 05:43 |
| saidinesh5 | so what project do you work on holstein ? | 05:43 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: unfortunatly, this is about it | 05:43 |
| holstein | i try and help in the support channel | 05:44 |
| holstein | and do what i can, thats non technical | 05:44 |
| holstein | im a musician | 05:44 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: how about you? | 05:44 |
| saidinesh5 | hehe, thats not unfortunate.... if it werent for folks like you, it would have been a night mare for me to come onto linux 4 years ago :) | 05:44 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: :) | 05:44 |
| saidinesh5 | well i ve just graduated.... | 05:44 |
| holstein | i wish i could contribute more* | 05:45 |
| saidinesh5 | more or less a teeny tiny KDE developer.... | 05:45 |
| holstein | we really need coding contributors | 05:45 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: welcome | 05:45 |
| saidinesh5 | actually welcome back :P | 05:45 |
| * saidinesh5 looks around for geanies to grant holstein 's wish | 05:45 | |
| holstein | saidinesh5: even better | 05:45 |
| saidinesh5 | :) | 05:46 |
| saidinesh5 | so what instrument(s) do you play holstein ? | 05:46 |
| holstein | well, i play a lot of instruments | 05:46 |
| holstein | but im a bassist professionally | 05:46 |
| holstein | upright, mostly jazz | 05:46 |
| * saidinesh5 is back on ubuntu studio now that he is graduated and has a little bit time on his hands to experiment with things | 05:46 | |
| saidinesh5 | wow | 05:46 |
| Kokito | I used ti play bass when I was young, though I sucked | 05:47 |
| saidinesh5 | thats cool! | 05:47 |
| holstein | Kokito: upright? | 05:47 |
| Kokito | no, electric | 05:47 |
| * saidinesh5 has never seen many instruments in Real Life though... | 05:47 | |
| holstein | saidinesh5: :/ | 05:48 |
| saidinesh5 | well the shops i goto, usually don't have the whole set of instruments | 05:48 |
| saidinesh5 | so i havent seen an upright bass in real life though...... | 05:49 |
| holstein | i saw one when i was a kid | 05:49 |
| holstein | then, i didnt really see them much til i was playing it | 05:49 |
| saidinesh5 | hehe.......so you are a musician by profession holstein? | 05:49 |
| holstein | yup | 05:49 |
| holstein | saidinesh5: and you've graduated? | 05:50 |
| saidinesh5 | oh thats so cool .. | 05:50 |
| holstein | what do you want to be when you grow up? ;) | 05:50 |
| saidinesh5 | yups just graduated...... | 05:50 |
| saidinesh5 | well thats the tricky question you see...... | 05:50 |
| holstein | you dont have to have it all figured out just yet | 05:50 |
| saidinesh5 | currently the important part on my todo list is to work on a little project that i wanted to do........ | 05:51 |
| saidinesh5 | after that its more or less tossing a coin b/w higher education someplace far far away vs. a Job | 05:51 |
| holstein | well, just try and enjoy the summer as much as you can i say :) | 05:52 |
| saidinesh5 | hehe :) | 05:53 |
| Kokito | have a question for the audio experts | 05:54 |
| Kokito | I have a bunch of VHS tapes that I want to convert to digital files | 05:54 |
| Kokito | what would I need to do this in US? | 05:55 |
| Kokito | I have a VHS player | 05:55 |
| holstein | hmmm | 05:55 |
| holstein | good question | 05:55 |
| holstein | i had a little thingy i borrowed from my pop, dazzle USB device | 05:55 |
| holstein | i used it to grab something from VHS like that | 05:56 |
| Kokito | would a capture card, but not sure if it works in linux | 05:56 |
| holstein | it worked fine | 05:56 |
| Kokito | in linux? | 05:56 |
| holstein | that was under XP though | 05:56 |
| Kokito | ah, ok | 05:56 |
| holstein | however, the software i used that worked the best was avidmuex | 05:56 |
| holstein | this would have been 8 years ago? | 05:56 |
| holstein | i bet its come along way, even in linux | 05:56 |
| holstein | Kokito: i would try and catch a mythbuntu guy | 05:57 |
| holstein | i bet they would know the capture card that would do the job | 05:57 |
| Kokito | I see | 05:57 |
| Kokito | good advise :) | 05:57 |
| holstein | avidmuex was the only thing for me at the time that would keep the audio and video in sync | 05:57 |
| holstein | ive been meaning to find that dazzle device and see if it worked in linux* | 05:58 |
| saidinesh5 | Kokito: just curious why did you aim this question at "audio experts" ?? if it is only the Audio You want to save from it... | 06:00 |
| saidinesh5 | you could very well use a two sided TRS connector | 06:00 |
| Kokito | saidinesh5: oopsie.... I meant to ask the "video" experts :) | 06:01 |
| Kokito | it's been a long day :) | 06:01 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah i see..... | 06:01 |
| Kokito_ | re | 06:08 |
| * saidinesh5 thought re means hello | 06:08 | |
| astraljava | saidinesh5: Generally it's being used whenever a person leaves the room for a bit, and then re-enters. | 10:45 |
| astraljava | saidinesh5: Another one that's fairly common in that situation is wb, short for welcome back. | 10:45 |
| saidinesh5 | ah i see astraljava ..... re :D | 13:09 |
| scott-work | wow, holstein, you are writing some good stuff on the ML! | 15:39 |
| holstein | scott-work: i hope so, i feel im a little obsessed | 15:39 |
| holstein | im having a hard time letting that kind of thing go though | 15:39 |
| holstein | "pro-fools" | 15:39 |
| scott-work | i also do not appreciate when people purposefully misspell words to denigrate other things...like M$ or Microshaft, etc | 15:40 |
| holstein | and "you are ignorant" | 15:40 |
| holstein | its challenging | 15:40 |
| scott-work | i agree with you though :) | 15:40 |
| holstein | not to mention, we are going back and forth off list now too | 15:40 |
| holstein | about that mouse wheel issue he had | 15:41 |
| holstein | gotta run... BBL | 15:41 |
| scott-work | weeee | 19:15 |
| scott-work | by the way, we will not be publishing an Alpha 1 image this cycle | 19:15 |
| scott-work | i made this decision because we are not ready with the XFCE changes | 19:16 |
| scott-work | i do expect to publish an Alpha2 image however | 19:16 |
| scott-work | ailo: i have two goals on my plate for this week and then I would like to start making progress on documentation, are you still interested in being involved? | 19:17 |
| scott-work | (one of my goals is to test the -lowlatency kernel vs. -generic on my other machine) | 19:17 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Probably not a bad one. I intend to look into the uninstallable packages this week, so we'll have at least some installation discs for testing. | 19:37 |
| holstein | scott-work: who is pushing that kernel in? | 19:38 |
| holstein | i'll test that those kernels here too with firewire | 19:38 |
| holstein | im sure we can get ailo involved :) | 19:38 |
| astraljava | And I'll give it a go with my M-Audio PCI card. | 19:38 |
| holstein | astraljava: COOL | 19:39 |
| astraljava | I need to add a third disc also, so that I can have at least the couple latest stable releases installed at the same time, plus the devel release. | 19:39 |
| scott-work | oh, i should point out that daily images are still being built | 19:40 |
| scott-work | but i believe this is a different process that the official QA builds for which emails are sent out | 19:40 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Yep, just that there are a couple broken packages. | 19:40 |
| scott-work | holstein: the general plan is that abogani will get it into his git repo, i will package it, and persia will push it * | 19:41 |
| scott-work | but abogani wants to wait until the 2.6.39 kernel is more stable | 19:41 |
| scott-work | * barring any discussion between TheMuso and Andy | 19:41 |
| astraljava | scott-work: What about linux moving to 3.0 during this release? How does it affect us? | 19:41 |
| scott-work | astraljava: that's a good question, i just assumed it would happen after release but it probably won't | 19:42 |
| scott-work | i don't expect any troubles though, Linus has stated that this wasn't like KDE 4.0 or Gnome 3 where there's major breakage | 19:42 |
| scott-work | i wonder what kernel version was decided to use at UDS, if it was 2.6.39 then it shouldn't be an issue anyway :P | 19:43 |
| scott-work | for those who don't know about linux 3.0: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 | 19:44 |
| scott-work | linus has stated that he thinks we're getting silly with the version numbers and wants to move to 3.0 | 19:44 |
| scott-work | no major new features, basically just the next release of the kernel you know and love :P | 19:44 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Yeah. Just realized I had followed debian discussion relating to kernel version bump. Might not affect us after all. | 19:55 |
| scott-work | hartmut is putting some slap down on ralf on the mailing list :P | 19:59 |
| scott-work | i like hartmut :) | 19:59 |
| scott-work | not because he's refuting ralf's stance, mind you | 19:59 |
| astraljava | I see Ralf getting a beating all-around. :) I still fail to see how this all relates to Ubuntu Studio talk, but *shrug* Let the kids play. :) | 20:00 |
| holstein | scott-work: i like that plan | 20:07 |
| astraljava | From the kernel team meeting minutes: "This also means we'll target One | 20:09 |
| astraljava | iric to release with a v3.0 kernel rather than v2.6.40. | 20:09 |
| astraljava | " | 20:09 |
| astraljava | Damn linefeeds. | 20:09 |
| scott-work | oh, good find astraljava, i was looking for an answer in #ubuntu-kernel and not getting an answer | 20:09 |
| scott-work | it seemed that persia wanted to push 2.6.39 -lowlatency into the repos even if it wasn't the planned final version for oneiric | 20:11 |
| scott-work | i presume that is so we can start testing earlier | 20:11 |
| astraljava | My thinking too. | 20:11 |
| holstein | we need it | 20:12 |
| holstein | and that kernel kicks ass | 20:12 |
| holstein | right down the middle, in a good way | 20:12 |
| holstein | scott-work: remind me again what you used for your green screen vids | 20:14 |
| holstein | kden? | 20:14 |
| scott-work | holstein: hahaha, of course not! i used Blender :) | 20:16 |
| holstein | great | 20:16 |
| holstein | sounds like a PITA | 20:16 |
| scott-work | but i also have had very acceptable expereiences with openshot | 20:16 |
| scott-work | and [lsd] was using kdenlive | 20:16 |
| holstein | yeah, ive been meaning to look at openshot | 20:16 |
| scott-work | i think openshot is probably the best choice for someone looking to do things quickly | 20:18 |
| holstein | im not sure what i want | 20:18 |
| scott-work | a good entry level editor (read: easy to use) with pretty extensive features | 20:18 |
| holstein | i got one of those flipHD cams, and im just messing around | 20:18 |
| scott-work | i had really thought about doing that too! | 20:18 |
| scott-work | although i might just steal my kids ipod to shoot some video :P | 20:19 |
| holstein | hehe | 20:19 |
| scott-work | it's better than our older hand held camcorder i think | 20:19 |
| ailo | ScottL, Documentation - yes. I'm a little occupied these few days ahead. I believe I have more time from Sunday and forwards. | 21:38 |
| ckontros | ScottL: You wanna set up Sunday to get the seeds in order? We can make the changes but not push them. I also *gotta* get our new studio-settings package done. | 22:41 |
| ckontros | PM if needed. | 23:27 |
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