[01:10] <TheMuso> IMO no release has been quite as good as hardy. That was the pinical of studio.
[01:10] <TheMuso> Mostly due to the fact that we had an RT kernel.
[01:21] <astraljava> Didn't use hardy that much, so can't really tell.
[03:36] <holstein> TheMuso: hehe
[03:36] <holstein> that was awesome
[03:36] <holstein> 64studio was based on it too
[03:37] <holstein> all kinds of really nice audio distros based on hardy
[04:16] <ScottL> hardy was my favorite too and holds a special place for me...but it was my first foray into ubuntu studio
[04:16] <ScottL> but hopefully oneiric comes in a close second
[04:17] <ScottL> holstein, good answers on the mailing list
[04:18] <ScottL> i wonder why exactly (i.e. giving specific, explicit, well-articulated answers) ralf feels that ardour is "professional"
[04:18] <ScottL> not saying that i agree or disagree, i'm curious of his reasoning
[04:43] <Kokito> howdy
[05:22] <holstein> ScottL: i know right?
[05:22] <holstein> i really wish he would articulate what his concerns are
[05:22] <holstein> we are 'off list' now though
[05:23] <holstein> i reached the end of what i feel like i can say constructively
[05:34] <ScottL> hi Kokito 
[05:35] <ScottL> holstein, but i thought you articulated your points pretty darn well though :)
[05:35] <Kokito> hi ScottL & holstein 
[05:35] <ScottL> but i'm serious, mike, about oneiric
[05:36] <ScottL> i think it could be a very seriously good release...if we get the -lowlatency kernel in
[05:37] <holstein> ScottL: w00t
[05:37] <holstein> im stoked
[05:37] <ScottL> the changes to the UI will be a bit, well i can't say revolutionary....but they will take ubuntu studio in a bit of a different direction
[05:37] <holstein> oneiric is going to be great
[05:37] <holstein> but 12.04 is what im looking foward to
[05:37] <ScottL> why is that?
[05:37] <ScottL> i have my suspicions
[05:37] <holstein> just the LTS and all that
[05:38] <holstein> XFCE round 2
[05:38] <holstein> and hopefully the live installer and -lowlatency kernel :)
[05:38] <ScottL> i mentioned to cory that it would be nice to have a fallback for people who do not like the new UI
[05:38] <holstein> ScottL: yeah, but fall back to what
[05:38] <holstein> gnome2 is gone
[05:38] <ScottL> yes, the live image is what i expected
[05:38] <holstein> ScottL: you think some fallback unity theme?
[05:39] <ScottL> re: fall back - cory started with our original layout from gnome2 and built an xfce theme based on it at one point
[05:39] <holstein> OH
[05:39] <holstein> yeah, maybe
[05:39] <ScottL> i would like to perhaps package it as a fall back
[05:39] <holstein> i could go either way with that
[05:39] <ScottL> not the default, but something users could use
[05:39] <holstein> might be nice to just ease over there anyways
[05:40] <holstein> not change everything all at once
[05:40] <holstein> its still not drastic though
[05:40] <ScottL> but there are arguments to do it all at one, "rip the bandaid" approach
[05:40] <holstein> and it hasnt changed in quite a few releases
[05:40] <ScottL> *shrug*
[05:40] <holstein> ScottL: yeah
[05:40] <holstein> who knows
[05:40] <holstein> one things for sure
[05:40] <holstein> some folks are going to hate it, no matter what
[05:41] <ScottL> lol, yes, i would expect that
[05:41] <ScottL> i think i'd rather make drastic changes now than either
[05:41] <ScottL> 1. doing it for a LTS
[05:41] <ScottL> 2. wait another whole year
[05:41] <ScottL> getting up in ~6 hours....talk to you later :)
[05:41] <saidinesh5> morning folks :)
[05:41] <holstein> yeah
[05:41] <holstein> its time
[05:42] <holstein> saidinesh5: hello
[05:42] <saidinesh5> oh good night ScottL :D
[05:42] <saidinesh5> i personally think AWN is a really good idea for US
[05:42] <saidinesh5> hello holstein :)
[05:43] <saidinesh5> fianlly customized my Ubuntu Studio to my Usual Gnome2 Style : everything replaced with AWN :)
[05:43] <saidinesh5> so what project do you work on holstein ?
[05:43] <holstein> saidinesh5: unfortunatly, this is about it
[05:44] <holstein> i try and help in the support channel
[05:44] <holstein> and do what i can, thats non technical
[05:44] <holstein> im a musician
[05:44] <holstein> saidinesh5: how about you?
[05:44] <saidinesh5> hehe, thats not unfortunate.... if it werent for folks like you, it would have been a night mare for me to come onto linux 4 years ago :)
[05:44] <holstein> saidinesh5: :)
[05:44] <saidinesh5> well i ve just graduated....
[05:45] <holstein> i wish i could contribute more*
[05:45] <saidinesh5> more or less a teeny tiny KDE developer....
[05:45] <holstein> we really need coding contributors
[05:45] <holstein> saidinesh5: welcome
[05:45] <saidinesh5> actually welcome back :P
[05:45]  * saidinesh5 looks around for geanies to grant holstein 's wish
[05:45] <holstein> saidinesh5: even better
[05:46] <saidinesh5> :)
[05:46] <saidinesh5> so what instrument(s) do you play holstein ?
[05:46] <holstein> well, i play a lot of instruments
[05:46] <holstein> but im a bassist professionally
[05:46] <holstein> upright, mostly jazz
[05:46]  * saidinesh5 is back on ubuntu studio now that he is graduated and has a little bit time on his hands to experiment with things
[05:46] <saidinesh5> wow
[05:47] <Kokito> I used ti play bass when I was young, though I sucked
[05:47] <saidinesh5> thats cool!
[05:47] <holstein> Kokito: upright?
[05:47] <Kokito> no, electric
[05:47]  * saidinesh5 has never seen many instruments in Real Life though...
[05:48] <holstein> saidinesh5: :/
[05:48] <saidinesh5> well the shops i goto, usually don't have the whole set of instruments
[05:49] <saidinesh5> so i havent seen an upright bass in real life though......
[05:49] <holstein> i saw one when i was a kid
[05:49] <holstein> then, i didnt really see them much til i was playing it
[05:49] <saidinesh5> hehe.......so you are a musician by profession holstein?
[05:49] <holstein> yup
[05:50] <holstein> saidinesh5: and you've graduated?
[05:50] <saidinesh5> oh thats so cool ..
[05:50] <holstein> what do you want to be when you grow up? ;)
[05:50] <saidinesh5> yups just graduated......
[05:50] <saidinesh5> well thats the tricky question you see......
[05:50] <holstein> you dont have to have it all figured out just yet
[05:51] <saidinesh5> currently the important part on my todo list is to work on a little project that i wanted to do........
[05:51] <saidinesh5> after that its more or less tossing a coin b/w higher education someplace far far away vs. a Job
[05:52] <holstein> well, just try and enjoy the summer as much as you can i say :)
[05:53] <saidinesh5> hehe :)
[05:54] <Kokito> have a question for the audio experts
[05:54] <Kokito> I have a bunch of VHS tapes that I want to convert to digital files
[05:55] <Kokito> what would I need to do this in US?
[05:55] <Kokito> I have a VHS player
[05:55] <holstein> hmmm
[05:55] <holstein> good question
[05:55] <holstein> i had a little thingy i borrowed from my pop, dazzle USB device
[05:56] <holstein> i used it to grab something from VHS like that
[05:56] <Kokito> would a capture card, but not sure if it works in linux
[05:56] <holstein> it worked fine
[05:56] <Kokito> in linux?
[05:56] <holstein> that was under XP though
[05:56] <Kokito> ah, ok
[05:56] <holstein> however, the software i used that worked the best was avidmuex
[05:56] <holstein> this would have been 8 years ago?
[05:56] <holstein> i bet its come along way, even in linux
[05:57] <holstein> Kokito: i would try and catch a mythbuntu guy
[05:57] <holstein> i bet they would know the capture card that would do the job
[05:57] <Kokito> I see
[05:57] <Kokito> good advise :)
[05:57] <holstein> avidmuex was the only thing for me at the time that would keep the audio and video in sync
[05:58] <holstein> ive been meaning to find that dazzle device and see if it worked in linux*
[06:00] <saidinesh5> Kokito: just curious why did you aim this question at "audio experts" ?? if it is only the Audio You want to save from it...
[06:00] <saidinesh5> you could very well use a two sided TRS connector
[06:01] <Kokito> saidinesh5: oopsie.... I meant to ask the "video" experts :)
[06:01] <Kokito> it's been a long day :)
[06:01] <saidinesh5> Ah i see.....
[06:08] <Kokito_> re
[06:08]  * saidinesh5 thought re means hello
[10:45] <astraljava> saidinesh5: Generally it's being used whenever a person leaves the room for a bit, and then re-enters.
[10:45] <astraljava> saidinesh5: Another one that's fairly common in that situation is wb, short for welcome back.
[13:09] <saidinesh5> ah i see astraljava ..... re :D
[15:39] <scott-work> wow, holstein, you are writing some good stuff on the ML!
[15:39] <holstein> scott-work: i hope so, i feel im a little obsessed
[15:39] <holstein> im having a hard time letting that kind of thing go though
[15:39] <holstein> "pro-fools"
[15:40] <scott-work> i also do not appreciate when people purposefully misspell words to denigrate other things...like M$ or Microshaft, etc
[15:40] <holstein> and "you are ignorant"
[15:40] <holstein> its challenging
[15:40] <scott-work> i agree with you though :)
[15:40] <holstein> not to mention, we are going back and forth off list now too
[15:41] <holstein> about that mouse wheel issue he had
[15:41] <holstein> gotta run... BBL
[19:15] <scott-work> weeee 
[19:15] <scott-work> by the way, we will not be publishing an Alpha 1 image this cycle
[19:16] <scott-work> i made this decision because we are not ready with the XFCE changes
[19:16] <scott-work> i do expect to publish an Alpha2 image however
[19:17] <scott-work> ailo: i have two goals on my plate for this week and then I would like to start making progress on documentation, are you still interested in being involved?
[19:17] <scott-work> (one of my goals is to test the -lowlatency kernel vs. -generic on my other machine)
[19:37] <astraljava> scott-work: Probably not a bad one. I intend to look into the uninstallable packages this week, so we'll have at least some installation discs for testing.
[19:38] <holstein> scott-work: who is pushing that kernel in?
[19:38] <holstein> i'll test that those kernels here too with firewire
[19:38] <holstein> im sure we can get ailo involved :)
[19:38] <astraljava> And I'll give it a go with my M-Audio PCI card.
[19:39] <holstein> astraljava: COOL
[19:39] <astraljava> I need to add a third disc also, so that I can have at least the couple latest stable releases installed at the same time, plus the devel release.
[19:40] <scott-work> oh, i should point out that daily images are still being built
[19:40] <scott-work> but i believe this is a different process that the official QA builds for which emails are sent out
[19:40] <astraljava> scott-work: Yep, just that there are a couple broken packages.
[19:41] <scott-work> holstein: the general plan is that abogani will get it into his git repo, i will package it, and persia will push it *
[19:41] <scott-work> but abogani wants to wait until the 2.6.39 kernel is more stable
[19:41] <scott-work> * barring any discussion between TheMuso and Andy
[19:41] <astraljava> scott-work: What about linux moving to 3.0 during this release? How does it affect us?
[19:42] <scott-work> astraljava: that's a good question, i just assumed it would happen after release but it probably won't
[19:42] <scott-work> i don't expect any troubles though, Linus has stated that this wasn't like KDE 4.0 or Gnome 3 where there's major breakage
[19:43] <scott-work> i wonder what kernel version was decided to use at UDS, if it was 2.6.39 then it shouldn't be an issue anyway :P
[19:44] <scott-work> for those who don't know about linux 3.0:  https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204
[19:44] <scott-work> linus has stated that he thinks we're getting silly with the version numbers and wants to move to 3.0
[19:44] <scott-work> no major new features, basically just the next release of the kernel you know and love :P
[19:55] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah. Just realized I had followed debian discussion relating to kernel version bump. Might not affect us after all.
[19:59] <scott-work> hartmut is putting some slap down on ralf on the mailing list :P
[19:59] <scott-work> i like hartmut :)
[19:59] <scott-work> not because he's refuting ralf's stance, mind you
[20:00] <astraljava> I see Ralf getting a beating all-around. :) I still fail to see how this all relates to Ubuntu Studio talk, but *shrug* Let the kids play. :)
[20:07] <holstein> scott-work: i like that plan
[20:09] <astraljava> From the kernel team meeting minutes: "This also means we'll target One
[20:09] <astraljava> iric to release with a v3.0 kernel rather than v2.6.40.
[20:09] <astraljava> "
[20:09] <astraljava> Damn linefeeds.
[20:09] <scott-work> oh, good find astraljava, i was looking for an answer in #ubuntu-kernel and not getting an answer
[20:11] <scott-work> it seemed that persia wanted to push 2.6.39 -lowlatency into the repos even if it wasn't the planned final version for oneiric
[20:11] <scott-work> i presume that is so we can start testing earlier
[20:11] <astraljava> My thinking too.
[20:12] <holstein> we need it
[20:12] <holstein> and that kernel kicks ass
[20:12] <holstein> right down the middle, in a good way
[20:14] <holstein> scott-work: remind me again what you used for your green screen vids
[20:14] <holstein> kden?
[20:16] <scott-work> holstein: hahaha, of course not!  i used Blender :)
[20:16] <holstein> great
[20:16] <holstein> sounds like a PITA
[20:16] <scott-work> but i also have had very acceptable expereiences with openshot
[20:16] <scott-work> and [lsd] was using kdenlive
[20:16] <holstein> yeah, ive been meaning to look at openshot
[20:18] <scott-work> i think openshot is probably the best choice for someone looking to do things quickly
[20:18] <holstein> im not sure what i want
[20:18] <scott-work> a good entry level editor (read: easy to use) with pretty extensive features
[20:18] <holstein> i got one of those flipHD cams, and im just messing around
[20:18] <scott-work> i had really thought about doing that too!
[20:19] <scott-work> although i might just steal my kids ipod to shoot some video :P
[20:19] <holstein> hehe
[20:19] <scott-work> it's better than our older hand held camcorder i think
[21:38] <ailo> ScottL, Documentation - yes. I'm a little occupied these few days ahead. I believe I have more time from Sunday and forwards.
[22:41] <ckontros> ScottL: You wanna set up Sunday to get the seeds in order? We can make the changes but not push them. I also *gotta* get our new studio-settings package done.
[23:27] <ckontros> PM if needed.