[01:10] IMO no release has been quite as good as hardy. That was the pinical of studio. [01:10] Mostly due to the fact that we had an RT kernel. [01:21] Didn't use hardy that much, so can't really tell. [03:36] TheMuso: hehe [03:36] that was awesome [03:36] 64studio was based on it too [03:37] all kinds of really nice audio distros based on hardy [04:16] hardy was my favorite too and holds a special place for me...but it was my first foray into ubuntu studio [04:16] but hopefully oneiric comes in a close second [04:17] holstein, good answers on the mailing list [04:18] i wonder why exactly (i.e. giving specific, explicit, well-articulated answers) ralf feels that ardour is "professional" [04:18] not saying that i agree or disagree, i'm curious of his reasoning [04:43] howdy [05:22] ScottL: i know right? [05:22] i really wish he would articulate what his concerns are [05:22] we are 'off list' now though [05:23] i reached the end of what i feel like i can say constructively [05:34] hi Kokito [05:35] holstein, but i thought you articulated your points pretty darn well though :) [05:35] hi ScottL & holstein [05:35] but i'm serious, mike, about oneiric [05:36] i think it could be a very seriously good release...if we get the -lowlatency kernel in [05:37] ScottL: w00t [05:37] im stoked [05:37] the changes to the UI will be a bit, well i can't say revolutionary....but they will take ubuntu studio in a bit of a different direction [05:37] oneiric is going to be great [05:37] but 12.04 is what im looking foward to [05:37] why is that? [05:37] i have my suspicions [05:37] just the LTS and all that [05:38] XFCE round 2 [05:38] and hopefully the live installer and -lowlatency kernel :) [05:38] i mentioned to cory that it would be nice to have a fallback for people who do not like the new UI [05:38] ScottL: yeah, but fall back to what [05:38] gnome2 is gone [05:38] yes, the live image is what i expected [05:38] ScottL: you think some fallback unity theme? [05:39] re: fall back - cory started with our original layout from gnome2 and built an xfce theme based on it at one point [05:39] OH [05:39] yeah, maybe [05:39] i would like to perhaps package it as a fall back [05:39] i could go either way with that [05:39] not the default, but something users could use [05:39] might be nice to just ease over there anyways [05:40] not change everything all at once [05:40] its still not drastic though [05:40] but there are arguments to do it all at one, "rip the bandaid" approach [05:40] and it hasnt changed in quite a few releases [05:40] *shrug* [05:40] ScottL: yeah [05:40] who knows [05:40] one things for sure [05:40] some folks are going to hate it, no matter what [05:41] lol, yes, i would expect that [05:41] i think i'd rather make drastic changes now than either [05:41] 1. doing it for a LTS [05:41] 2. wait another whole year [05:41] getting up in ~6 hours....talk to you later :) [05:41] morning folks :) [05:41] yeah [05:41] its time [05:42] saidinesh5: hello [05:42] oh good night ScottL :D [05:42] i personally think AWN is a really good idea for US [05:42] hello holstein :) [05:43] fianlly customized my Ubuntu Studio to my Usual Gnome2 Style : everything replaced with AWN :) [05:43] so what project do you work on holstein ? [05:43] saidinesh5: unfortunatly, this is about it [05:44] i try and help in the support channel [05:44] and do what i can, thats non technical [05:44] im a musician [05:44] saidinesh5: how about you? [05:44] hehe, thats not unfortunate.... if it werent for folks like you, it would have been a night mare for me to come onto linux 4 years ago :) [05:44] saidinesh5: :) [05:44] well i ve just graduated.... [05:45] i wish i could contribute more* [05:45] more or less a teeny tiny KDE developer.... [05:45] we really need coding contributors [05:45] saidinesh5: welcome [05:45] actually welcome back :P [05:45] * saidinesh5 looks around for geanies to grant holstein 's wish [05:45] saidinesh5: even better [05:46] :) [05:46] so what instrument(s) do you play holstein ? [05:46] well, i play a lot of instruments [05:46] but im a bassist professionally [05:46] upright, mostly jazz [05:46] * saidinesh5 is back on ubuntu studio now that he is graduated and has a little bit time on his hands to experiment with things [05:46] wow [05:47] I used ti play bass when I was young, though I sucked [05:47] thats cool! [05:47] Kokito: upright? [05:47] no, electric [05:47] * saidinesh5 has never seen many instruments in Real Life though... [05:48] saidinesh5: :/ [05:48] well the shops i goto, usually don't have the whole set of instruments [05:49] so i havent seen an upright bass in real life though...... [05:49] i saw one when i was a kid [05:49] then, i didnt really see them much til i was playing it [05:49] hehe.......so you are a musician by profession holstein? [05:49] yup [05:50] saidinesh5: and you've graduated? [05:50] oh thats so cool .. [05:50] what do you want to be when you grow up? ;) [05:50] yups just graduated...... [05:50] well thats the tricky question you see...... [05:50] you dont have to have it all figured out just yet [05:51] currently the important part on my todo list is to work on a little project that i wanted to do........ [05:51] after that its more or less tossing a coin b/w higher education someplace far far away vs. a Job [05:52] well, just try and enjoy the summer as much as you can i say :) [05:53] hehe :) [05:54] have a question for the audio experts [05:54] I have a bunch of VHS tapes that I want to convert to digital files [05:55] what would I need to do this in US? [05:55] I have a VHS player [05:55] hmmm [05:55] good question [05:55] i had a little thingy i borrowed from my pop, dazzle USB device [05:56] i used it to grab something from VHS like that [05:56] would a capture card, but not sure if it works in linux [05:56] it worked fine [05:56] in linux? [05:56] that was under XP though [05:56] ah, ok [05:56] however, the software i used that worked the best was avidmuex [05:56] this would have been 8 years ago? [05:56] i bet its come along way, even in linux [05:57] Kokito: i would try and catch a mythbuntu guy [05:57] i bet they would know the capture card that would do the job [05:57] I see [05:57] good advise :) [05:57] avidmuex was the only thing for me at the time that would keep the audio and video in sync [05:58] ive been meaning to find that dazzle device and see if it worked in linux* [06:00] Kokito: just curious why did you aim this question at "audio experts" ?? if it is only the Audio You want to save from it... [06:00] you could very well use a two sided TRS connector [06:01] saidinesh5: oopsie.... I meant to ask the "video" experts :) [06:01] it's been a long day :) [06:01] Ah i see..... [06:08] re [06:08] * saidinesh5 thought re means hello [10:45] saidinesh5: Generally it's being used whenever a person leaves the room for a bit, and then re-enters. [10:45] saidinesh5: Another one that's fairly common in that situation is wb, short for welcome back. [13:09] ah i see astraljava ..... re :D [15:39] wow, holstein, you are writing some good stuff on the ML! [15:39] scott-work: i hope so, i feel im a little obsessed [15:39] im having a hard time letting that kind of thing go though [15:39] "pro-fools" [15:40] i also do not appreciate when people purposefully misspell words to denigrate other things...like M$ or Microshaft, etc [15:40] and "you are ignorant" [15:40] its challenging [15:40] i agree with you though :) [15:40] not to mention, we are going back and forth off list now too [15:41] about that mouse wheel issue he had [15:41] gotta run... BBL [19:15] weeee [19:15] by the way, we will not be publishing an Alpha 1 image this cycle [19:16] i made this decision because we are not ready with the XFCE changes [19:16] i do expect to publish an Alpha2 image however [19:17] ailo: i have two goals on my plate for this week and then I would like to start making progress on documentation, are you still interested in being involved? [19:17] (one of my goals is to test the -lowlatency kernel vs. -generic on my other machine) [19:37] scott-work: Probably not a bad one. I intend to look into the uninstallable packages this week, so we'll have at least some installation discs for testing. [19:38] scott-work: who is pushing that kernel in? [19:38] i'll test that those kernels here too with firewire [19:38] im sure we can get ailo involved :) [19:38] And I'll give it a go with my M-Audio PCI card. [19:39] astraljava: COOL [19:39] I need to add a third disc also, so that I can have at least the couple latest stable releases installed at the same time, plus the devel release. [19:40] oh, i should point out that daily images are still being built [19:40] but i believe this is a different process that the official QA builds for which emails are sent out [19:40] scott-work: Yep, just that there are a couple broken packages. [19:41] holstein: the general plan is that abogani will get it into his git repo, i will package it, and persia will push it * [19:41] but abogani wants to wait until the 2.6.39 kernel is more stable [19:41] * barring any discussion between TheMuso and Andy [19:41] scott-work: What about linux moving to 3.0 during this release? How does it affect us? [19:42] astraljava: that's a good question, i just assumed it would happen after release but it probably won't [19:42] i don't expect any troubles though, Linus has stated that this wasn't like KDE 4.0 or Gnome 3 where there's major breakage [19:43] i wonder what kernel version was decided to use at UDS, if it was 2.6.39 then it shouldn't be an issue anyway :P [19:44] for those who don't know about linux 3.0: https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/5/29/204 [19:44] linus has stated that he thinks we're getting silly with the version numbers and wants to move to 3.0 [19:44] no major new features, basically just the next release of the kernel you know and love :P [19:55] scott-work: Yeah. Just realized I had followed debian discussion relating to kernel version bump. Might not affect us after all. [19:59] hartmut is putting some slap down on ralf on the mailing list :P [19:59] i like hartmut :) [19:59] not because he's refuting ralf's stance, mind you [20:00] I see Ralf getting a beating all-around. :) I still fail to see how this all relates to Ubuntu Studio talk, but *shrug* Let the kids play. :) [20:07] scott-work: i like that plan [20:09] From the kernel team meeting minutes: "This also means we'll target One [20:09] iric to release with a v3.0 kernel rather than v2.6.40. [20:09] " [20:09] Damn linefeeds. [20:09] oh, good find astraljava, i was looking for an answer in #ubuntu-kernel and not getting an answer [20:11] it seemed that persia wanted to push 2.6.39 -lowlatency into the repos even if it wasn't the planned final version for oneiric [20:11] i presume that is so we can start testing earlier [20:11] My thinking too. [20:12] we need it [20:12] and that kernel kicks ass [20:12] right down the middle, in a good way [20:14] scott-work: remind me again what you used for your green screen vids [20:14] kden? [20:16] holstein: hahaha, of course not! i used Blender :) [20:16] great [20:16] sounds like a PITA [20:16] but i also have had very acceptable expereiences with openshot [20:16] and [lsd] was using kdenlive [20:16] yeah, ive been meaning to look at openshot [20:18] i think openshot is probably the best choice for someone looking to do things quickly [20:18] im not sure what i want [20:18] a good entry level editor (read: easy to use) with pretty extensive features [20:18] i got one of those flipHD cams, and im just messing around [20:18] i had really thought about doing that too! [20:19] although i might just steal my kids ipod to shoot some video :P [20:19] hehe [20:19] it's better than our older hand held camcorder i think [21:38] ScottL, Documentation - yes. I'm a little occupied these few days ahead. I believe I have more time from Sunday and forwards. [22:41] ScottL: You wanna set up Sunday to get the seeds in order? We can make the changes but not push them. I also *gotta* get our new studio-settings package done. [23:27] PM if needed.