[00:00] Alrighty! lets get started. First order of business....anyone sick? ;) [00:00] nope [00:00] No [00:00] Feeling great today, especially since the rain has stopped long enough for me to get out and do a bit of exercise. [00:01] awesome.. [00:01] well, here we go then! [00:01] [TOPIC] X.org update [00:02] We'll be getting a shiny new multiarched mesa post A1, with all the trimmings. [00:03] That makes me think of a big burger with all the trimmings. :) [00:03] * RAOF prefers to think of Christmas roast ham :) [00:03] Yeah that works, probably somewhat better given the weather. [00:04] xserver 1.10.2 was released just recently; I've been combing through it for any patches worth backporting for natty [00:05] anything for people to look for in x for A1 this week? [00:05] a lot of smaller X syncs have gone through this last week [00:06] and some not so small like libdrm 2.4.25 [00:06] http://www.bryceharrington.org/X/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/versions-current.html [00:07] There's a fully up-to-date nouveau DDX, but that's unlikely to cause problems. [00:07] -intel and -ati haven't gotten their update yet [00:09] ok... [00:09] anyway, so looks like X's foundational bits and pieces are pretty solid for now [00:09] how are the x guys feeling about A1 and A2? Anything for us to know now? [00:09] raof's mesa and a couple main driver updates to go [00:10] if not, we can move on ! [00:10] for A1 is probably fine. [00:10] I don't think X is going to be particularly interesting this cycle (yay!) [00:11] interestingly stable perhaps ;-) [00:11] RAOF: yay ;) [00:11] Which means you guys are likely going to be even more conservative for the LTS. [00:11] I like that kind of interesting when it comes to X :) [00:11] I think many of us do. [00:11] RAOF, is -intel 2.15 in the cards for A1 or too late? [00:12] I can do it today in between mesa builds :) [00:12] that'd be great [00:13] sounds good....how about LightDM ? robert_ancell, want to update us? [00:13] Mesa's not going to make A1; it needs an llvm mir, which needs checking that openjdk works with it. And openjdk takes a snappy 13 hours to build and test here. [00:13] RAOF: youch [00:13] RAOF: whaaaaa? [00:14] didn't realize llvm required openjdk [00:14] It doesn't; openjdk has an llvm-based jit runtime, which needs testing against the newer llvm. [00:14] jasoncwarner, ok, it's not going to make A1, as it's blocked waiting for a MIR. You can install it now, I've been running it for the last week or so. Feedback welcome! There is a start on the design from the Design team, it was being done by Pippa who has now moved on. Not sure who is taking it over, will track that down. [00:14] * TheMuso wonders whether a couple of us Aussies could pool our boxen to create a distributed build environment, where we upload packages, and the workload is shared over fast boxen to build stuff quicker... [00:15] I'm also writing a LightDM+Ubuntu wiki page today with debugging tips and what to do if everything goes wrong. Then going to twist everyone's arm who is not running it already to be guinea pigs [00:16] robert_ancell: what is blocking the MIR ? do we need to talk to someone about that? [00:16] jasoncwarner, not sure, it's just sitting there. pitti knows most about MIRs [00:17] I remember looking at it and the security team were asked to look at it, in the form of being the assignees. [00:17] Ok, we can follow up with him tonight [00:17] So I think the MIR guys want the security team's approval. [00:17] robert_ancell: can you follow up and I will as well [00:17] ok, will do [00:17] thanks [00:18] anyone install lightdm yet? I'm upgrading my laptop to Oneiric today and will be putting lightdm in there ;) [00:18] the MIR is at security review ATM, I'll ask kees to take a look [00:18] awesome, thanks micahg! [00:18] Not upgraded to lightdm yet, I am still using a oneiric vm, so I can iron out a11y gotchas before I upgrade to oneiric on my real hardware. [00:19] I've installed lightdm; it was entirely uneventful. [00:19] RAOF: awesome...that is what I'm hoping for in my upgrade as well ;) [00:19] Although this morning I noticed that it doesn't seem to implement all the interfaces gnome-screensaver expects. [00:19] Hitting the “Switch user” button at the lock screen fails. [00:20] TheMuso, you can run lightdm from a PPA in natty (I'm still on natty) [00:20] RAOF, yes, needs implementing [00:20] robert_ancell: I have every intension of upgrading to oneiric, I just need to make sure the new a11y stack works as expected. [00:21] TheMuso: how is accessibility coming in Oneiric? Any showstoppers you know about yet? [00:21] Also this morning I noticed that the new gnome-screensaver doesn't know how to fight with XRandR properly. [00:22] jasoncwarner: Right, accessibility. [00:22] Well as you know from the page already, the new stack is in main, it just needs to be turned on. Doing so requires adjusting seeds/deps, which I will be doing post alpha 1. [00:22] I also have Qt a11y patches in hand, and will be testing them today, although I am still waiting on one patch which I am told is not yet in the public Qt git repo. Will likely not be getting that till next week. [00:22] Ok, so post A1 when they are turned on should we get people testing them right away or is there some other work needed? [00:23] ah, Qt, that was my next question ;) [00:23] thanks for getting there ahead of me! [00:23] Re Qt, I also need to get the qt at-spi bridge into the archive, once I have worked out which Debian team will be responsible for maintaining it. [00:23] TheMuso: are those the 4.8 Qt patches backported to 4.7 Qt? [00:23] jasoncwarner: Yes, the great thing is that they apply almost 100% cleanly against 4.7.3. [00:24] Re at-spi2, once its turned on, I will be testing it, and I can certainly write some quick instructions for others to test, but as I said, I need to make sure all the obvious issues are worked out, in terms of the stack not starting etc. [00:25] yes, but that is great. I'm watching this one closely so thank you for updating .... want to make sure U2D is fully accessible and we get what we need backported to 4.7 [00:25] thanks [00:25] Very cool, Anyone else have anything? [00:25] np, I have already talked to didrocks, he is aware that I have them, and has asked me to pass on the pathces when I think things are ready, which hopefully will be no later than end of next week. [00:26] Ok..going to call the meeting [END MEETING] Thank you everyone... [00:27] Thanks,. [00:27] now I am going to upgrade to oneiric on my test system :) wish me luck! [00:27] Now to wait 2 hours more for another build of Qt... [00:29] jasoncwarner, good luck :-) [00:31] xubuntu will be switching to lightdm right after alpha1 [00:31] micahg, \o/ [00:31] xubuntu isn't blocked on the MIR :) [00:31] which greeter? [00:32] probably the example-gtk one for now [00:32] * micahg isn't sure though [00:32] I've been using the example-gtk one and it's been working fine [00:33] it's GTK 2 which works well for xubuntu [00:35] micahg: When does xfce plan to move to GTK3? 4.10? [00:36] TheMuso: I think 4.12 [00:36] Oh ok. [00:36] * micahg checks logs [00:36] Just curious. [00:37] TheMuso: yeah, 4.12, http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap [00:37] Ok thanks. [00:38] so, we're going to be stuck with GTK2 (xfce) and GTK3 (shared already ported apps) [00:41] Fun. [01:19] haha managed to lock up GNOME panel in oneiric, which seems to have locked the whole desktop. [01:20] ...and it seems GNOME apnel 3 is not customizable... === asac_ is now known as asac [05:34] Good morning [05:37] Bonjour pitti [05:39] robert_ancell: right, the lightdm MIR is assigned to ubuntu-security, waiting for their review [05:39] pitti, ah, thanks [05:56] Good morning pitti. [05:56] * TheMuso has a simple Qt app being read with Orca. :) [05:57] TheMuso: congrats :) [05:57] hey TheMuso [05:57] TheMuso: ooh, that sounds like good progress! [05:57] micahg: I didn't do much, just put the infrastructure together. [05:58] pitti: Certainly is. Still got some rough edges, and this is only a very simple example app, but menus are mostly working without issue, buttons, check boxes, radio buttons, and combo boxes, althought he example code segfaulted when trying a combo box. :) [05:58] TExt fields, either multiline or single line are still not speaking. [06:03] does unity-2d not have the same super keybindings? [06:04] super+a specifically [06:05] * TheMuso hasn't checked, and just powered off his oneiric vm... [06:05] this is natty [06:08] Still don't know. :) [06:09] * micahg will wait for didrocks [06:09] or does he only do 3D [06:09] Afaik he will be doing 2d as well. [06:09] k [07:40] TheMuso: Congrats, Qt + a11y would be awesome! [07:54] good morning o/ (after spending 20 minutes to connect to the Internet!) [07:55] bonjour didrocks [07:55] didrocks: oh, NM problems? [07:55] didrocks: It's unusually slow today? ;) [07:55] guten morgen pitti, how are you? :) [07:55] hey RAOF! [07:55] didrocks: FYI: "kvm -vga std" FTW [07:55] didrocks: with that unity-2d works wonderfully, yay for easy testing [07:55] pitti: no, I didn't upgraded at all yesterday, so I was thinking of the ADSL box first [07:55] pitti: trying to unactivate/reactivate the wifi, restarting it… [07:55] didrocks: I'm a bit tired, but okay otherwise, thanks! looking forward to the long weekend [07:55] pitti: unloading/loading the network module [07:56] eww [07:56] the 3rd unload/load worked :/ [07:56] pitti: yeah, long weekend just ahead! [07:56] (I will probably work tomorrow but exchange Thursday to Friday) [07:57] and thanks on the kvm trick :) [08:06] hey [08:06] good morning seb128 [08:06] salut seb128 [08:06] hey didrocks cdbs [08:12] bonjour seb128 [08:12] hey pitti [08:14] nice, so I get a somehow working install in both kvm and on the mini 10 [08:14] unity-2d is crashy as hell, though [08:15] but oh well, this is a1; it installs, it works! [08:16] ;-) [08:16] seb128: btw, please don't upload the current rhythmbox bzr; I backported the patches, and it builds, but crashes on startup [08:16] ok [08:16] git head doesn't crash, but make dist fails because the vala plugin is totally busted [08:17] does the archive version work for you? [08:17] yes [08:17] pitti: You're talking about Oneiric? No, it isn't crashy for me, it never crashed since the last week [08:17] cdbs: yes, current oneiric [08:17] pitti: My system has 30+ held packages [08:17] cdbs: I can't open the launcher (neither with click nor Windows key), nor places [08:17] they just keep crashing [08:17] pitti: unity-2d? [08:17] both in live session and in installed version, both on real iron and in kvm [08:18] cdbs: yes, as I said [08:18] unity 3d works fine [08:18] * cdbs boots into -2d [08:18] cdbs: but not really concerning for this early stage [08:19] seb128: rhythmbox git head doesn't have a .convert script for gconf->gsettings; it should, right? [08:19] pitti, if there are configuration values to migrate yes [08:19] seb128: do you know if the i386 archive version (which did build) works for anyone? [08:20] now that's insane crashing [08:20] pitti, it was a no change rebuild over the previous one [08:20] which works here [08:20] let me try to update [08:20] seb128: right, but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/2.90.1~20110329-1ubuntu2 did build on i386 [08:20] and so did ubuntu3 [08:20] but neither built on amd64 [08:21] oh right, libdmapsharing was ftfbs-ing on amd64 due to the builder stopping implicit conversions error [08:22] ah, and 2.9.12 only hit the archive on Monday [08:22] after rhythmbox got built on i386 [08:22] right, that was the easy way to fix the build issue ;-) [08:23] ok, so supposedly a build of rb on i386 will crash as well then [08:23] the current archive version work [08:23] seb128: thanks for checkin [08:23] g [08:23] well, a build on i386 will not build [08:23] or you mean a vcs build? [08:23] the one in bzr head ought to build [08:23] I can try to build the vcs [08:24] pitti, it's building, I will tell you that in 5 minutes [08:25] pitti, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/72737306/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.gnome-keyring_3.0.3-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [08:25] meh [08:26] doesn't happen locally :/ [08:26] I'll retry the build and compare logs [08:26] ok, could be the same that last time where the retry worked [08:26] but at least you can save the log from before retrying this time [08:27] yes, got it [08:30] pitti: I used unity-2d for a whole 2 days without any crash on real hw, weird :/ [08:31] but yeah, good enough for alpha1 [08:31] I just wondered why my mini 10 gives me 2d, not unity 3d [08:31] oh? [08:31] in natty it got 3d [08:32] /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p [08:32] * didrocks hopes nux-tools is still installed [08:32] (yeah, unity deps on it) [08:33] oh, the timeout is shorter (I took the 3s of upstream one) [08:33] didrocks: that says yes [08:33] not anymore the 5s that I took… randomly [08:33] so you should timeout I guess [08:33] I'll reset to 5s though [08:33] wants an upload pre or post alpha1? [08:34] post is fine, I think [08:34] didrocks: is ther any magic string to search in xsessin-errors? [08:34] if you logout and login again, as the file is in ram, it shold work [08:34] pitti: not without --debug to gnome-session [08:34] didrocks: the first hit of "unity" is "unity-2d-launcher: [DEBUG] virtual void Hotkey::... stuff [08:35] pitti: let me look again the code, not sure if I set a warning [08:35] it should display something even without --debug iirc [08:36] well it used to in natty [08:36] didrocks: second time is 2d as well, but presumably it's now in my ~/.dmrc? [08:36] oh, it's not [08:36] pitti: no it's not, weird :/ [08:36] so why does gdm show "unity 2d" then [08:36] yeah, it's a g_warning [08:37] pitti: "runnable check failed" [08:37] oh [08:37] gdm choose unity-2d by default? [08:37] unity --replace does work [08:37] hum, possible indeed, I didn't remove that part [08:37] yeah, I got it [08:37] I need to fix something in unity-2d [08:38] as they move the -settings in unity-2d, I think it still has the thing to set the session by default [08:38] changing it in gdm also works [08:38] ah [08:38] confirmed, that's the case [08:38] so it didn't even try the nux support test [08:38] it's autologin here [08:38] right, the default session is unity-2d [08:38] didrocks: that might also explain why the live session used 2d? [08:39] didrocks: want a bug report, or do you want to fix right away? [08:39] pitti: fixing right away [08:39] * pitti hugs didrocks, cheers [08:39] * didrocks hugs pitti back, sorry for not thinking about that [08:39] no need to worry [08:40] that's why have alphas, to test this stuff :) [08:40] didrocks: think about it as "the alpha to test unity 2d by default" [08:40] pitti, rb from the vcs work on i386 [08:40] pitti: heh :-) [08:40] seb128: oh, wow [08:40] seb128: thanks for testing [08:40] pitti, (you need to update the libdmapsharing build-depends) [08:41] pitti, do you have a stacktrace of the crash you are getting? [08:43] http://paste.ubuntu.com/615663/ [08:44] (cut after #45, too tiresome to copy&paste pagewise [08:45] the only hit for importing the old gtk that I see is plugins/coherence/upnp_coherence/__init__.py [08:45] but I don't have that installed [08:49] pitti, oh, I don't have rhythmbox-plugins-coherence installed [08:49] neither have I [08:50] do you have gir1.2-rb-0.13? [08:52] yes, it's a dependency [08:52] morning [08:52] pitti, ok, got it [08:52] I'll debug it now [08:52] pitti, it's rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store [08:52] ah, gtk2 [08:52] uninstall it and rb works [08:52] so that needs porting to gi [08:52] right [08:52] hey rodrigo_ [08:52] whee [08:53] morning rodrigo_ [08:53] TypeError: an integer is required [08:53] but trunk has a patch for that (and it doesn't crash the entire program) [08:53] Good Morning Desktopers! [08:53] hey Sweetshark [08:53] also: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/what-the-heck-is-happening-with-openoffice-update/9025 [08:53] ok, so maybe backport that as well? [08:53] I'll fix that as well, and add a Breaks: to the current rb-ubuntu-m-s, ok? [08:53] hey Sweetshark [08:53] hey Sweetshark [08:53] seb128: oh, it's out? [08:53] sorry [08:53] Sweetshark: oh, it's out? [08:54] pitti, seems fine, don't forget to update the libdmapsharing build-depends ;-) [08:54] seb128: to what? configure.ac doesn't have a versioned test [08:54] we want to enforce 2.9.12? [08:54] pitti, the patches you backported do enforce the new api [08:54] ah [08:54] pitti, to the debian control [08:55] pitti: see the note at the end "UPDATE: Sources tell me that Apache has decided to take on OpenOffice. I expect to see the official word come out this week. It may be as early as tomorrow." [08:55] seb128: at it; thanks for finding the u1-m-s issue! [08:55] yw [09:00] hmm, for the rb-u1 plugin it's tricky, as it uses libu1, like banshee-u1, so both rb and banshee need porting to gtk3 at the same time [09:01] Sweetshark: if apache does get it, do you think it's realistic to re-merge LibO/OO.o? [09:01] rodrigo_, not going to happen [09:01] rodrigo_, but we could have 2 version of the lib and use a different in each? [09:01] like a gtk2 and a gtk3 build [09:01] seb128, yes, I think so [09:04] good morning everyone [09:04] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [09:04] seb128: I'll upload it now, as it's not on any image [09:04] seb128 - good thanks, how are you? [09:05] pitti, ok [09:05] hey chrisccoulson [09:05] * asac is caught in a state where unity doesnt hide the launcher/side-bar ... anyone wants any info ;)? [09:05] hi pitti [09:05] chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks [09:05] asac, you use tb or some qt software and did a dnd? [09:05] hmm [09:05] could be qt ... i am using mumble [09:05] asac, try doing a dnd again of one of the messages in thunderbird [09:05] err [09:05] pitti - i got the new version of thunderbird ready last night (complete with language packs to replace the ones provided by thunderbird-locales), but i hit a bit of an issue... [09:05] twinkle ;) [09:05] or in your qt application [09:05] ...thunderbird-locales has an epoch in the version ;) [09:05] how can i recover? [09:05] killall compiz? [09:06] asac, do a new dnd [09:06] let me try [09:06] or close mumble [09:06] didrocks, ^ is there a known working workaround for the qt autohide bug? [09:06] hmm. i dragged inside mumble and it didnt help :/ [09:06] i will cloes it mumble [09:06] seb128: no, there is none unfortunatly :/ [09:06] oh really [09:06] the sidebar is gone [09:06] stupid qt [09:07] sometimes, dragging something else worked [09:07] but not very often [09:07] i always knew that gtk+ is much better [09:07] ok on a call [09:07] ;) [09:07] ;-) [09:07] heh, asac:-) [09:08] asac, if you use chrome,chromium users state on the bug that detaching and re-attaching a tab fixes the launcher [09:08] asac, bug #769703 for the record [09:08] Launchpad bug 769703 in unity "Unity launcher does not auto hide when dragging music in clementine or other Qt softwares" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769703 [09:08] seb128: didn't work for me, I tried that as well [09:09] didrocks, you wrote that code, you should know what reset the states :p [09:09] seb128: I know what reset the states [09:09] nothing :) [09:09] you should write a dbus interface that you can use to do that :p [09:09] we should make a dbus call as a workaround maybe [09:09] * didrocks high 5's seb128 [09:09] ;-) [09:09] didrocks, great minds... ;-) [09:10] exactly :-) [09:18] didrocks, can you sponsor evolution-exchange today? ;-) [09:18] seb128: sure, is it needed for alpha1? (I mean, it can't be installed?) [09:19] I'll try to focus on the compiz SRU (but refrain the upload post apha1) [09:19] * pitti merges doko's uncommitted rb upload and reuploads [09:28] didrocks, no, but it's a soft freeze and that's a minor bug fix update, but feel free to delay if you have other things to do [09:28] seb128: preparing compiz first [09:28] ok [09:28] updating all bugs report and such [09:34] dobey: are you guys still interested in rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store? (it doesn't work with rhythmbox/gtk3 any more) [09:42] mvo: morning [09:43] pitti, he's probably sleeping now :) [09:43] rodrigo_: right, but Rodney is pretty good at reading backscroll [09:44] yeah, true :) [09:46] pitti: cdbs doesn't have /usr/lib/cdbs/strip-schema.pl anymore? [09:46] didrocks: no; it has always been meant to be an internal implementation detail.. [09:46] didrocks: dh_translations does that now [09:46] pitti: hum, compiz is using it :/ [09:46] "Use dh_translations, Luke!" [09:47] ok, so let's focus on the SRU first? then I'll change that for oneiric? [09:47] *nod* [09:47] hey alex3f, good morning [09:47] (in meeting, sorry for being terse) [09:47] pitti: no worry ;) [09:47] didrocks, better, switch to gsettings ;-) [09:48] seb128: ahah, let's wait for upstream to get there (and they will still want to build the gconf backend I guess) [09:51] mvo: 1824 works, but i get some warnings about deprecated access to package.(section, summary and description) - that's because I have previously changed db.update [09:52] I will try to fix the _pkg leakage [09:52] thanks alex3f! much appreciated, I know its tedious work [09:52] didrocks, is your script changing the status of all the crashers or only those which didn't get tweaked before? [09:52] I'm quite enjoying it :) [09:54] seb128: all crashers are critical, that's what I have been told during the UDS session, I raised the point of those which get tweaked before, but apparently, they wanted still them to be critical [09:56] hey :) [09:57] it seems like logging into unity on oneiric gives me some kind of weird gnome desktop - does anybody know why? (this is a oneiric vm) [09:57] unity 2d gives me "something went wrong. (oops.)" [09:57] hey [09:57] dholbach: is it the live or an upgrade? [09:57] dholbach, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/759803 [09:57] Ubuntu bug 759803 in unity-2d "Unity-2d not working on KVM with xen and cirrus video devices" [High,Confirmed] [09:57] dholbach, but was it working before ? [09:58] yeah, if its the live (and so, you are using unity-2d by default) [09:58] didrocks, i installed natty in a vm and upgraded it [09:58] ok, same case, so it's the crash on KVM [09:58] dholbach, "weird gnome desktop" is GNOME3 I guess :p it's better if you install gnome-theme-standard and select a background in the control-center [09:59] dholbach, cf my GNOME3 email on the lists yesterday [09:59] seb128, I don't care about the desktop background :) [09:59] dholbach, so what do you complain about? ;-) what did you have in natty? [09:59] but yeah, let me install the package [10:00] dholbach, dx didn't work on a gtk3 theme yet so we don't have an ubuntu theme for oneiric which is mostly gtk3 on the default desktop components [10:01] didrocks, ok, if that's what dx wants... [10:01] didrocks, it's their bugs [10:01] oh, I was just wondering if that's "how it's supposed to be" - that none of the unitys works in oneiric vms :) [10:01] I'm not complaining [10:01] it's a bit stupid because it means they can't raise frequent issues over things that happened once to one user [10:01] seb128: right [10:01] seb128: that was my point [10:01] blame it on njpatel then ;-) [10:02] dholbach, unity-2d is supposed to work but there is a bug in unity-2d or qt which makes it not [10:02] alright [10:02] no worries [10:02] Kaleo and agateau are on it [10:02] seb128: I don't blame, I just did what I was asked for :) [10:03] well I think njpatel doesn't realize what he asks for :p [10:03] but fair enough [10:03] I raised the estimate number during the session [10:03] seb128: actually we are not :) [10:03] I'm just glad I can open more than one terminal again - a few days ago I had to use the recovery console which was not a lot of fun for doing sponsoring, etc on oneiric :) [10:04] dholbach: it looks weird (-> kvm -vga std) or it crashes (that happens for everyone apparently) [10:04]