[00:10] <wintellect> hey brobostigon
[01:09] <Penguin> say your version! Ubuntu 10.10 64x here.
[01:10] <losty> 11.04
[01:10] <Penguin> wow.
[01:11] <Penguin> XD only one person who isn't idling?
[01:11] <losty> i was thinking, i should start idling soon
[01:11] <Penguin> how's 11.04 losty? Any significant bugs that you want to point out?
[01:12] <losty> ummm... just having some issues with gwubber
[01:12] <losty> gwibber*
[01:12] <losty> its not very fluid
[01:12] <losty> apart from that, works fine, only other major issue (or not)
[01:13] <losty> is dash and launcher isn't visible for some reason...
[01:13] <Penguin> :)
[01:13] <losty> not sure if im just being a silly newb
[01:13] <Penguin> :P weird
[01:13] <Penguin> That makes both of us. I'm jsut the cautious newb type. :D
[01:14] <losty> ye
[01:14] <losty> :D
[01:14] <losty> this is most probably the longest ive been on, and have to say its been quite lovely
[01:15] <losty> appearance is soo much improved
[01:15] <losty> im not comparing to 10.04
[01:16] <Penguin> I actually prefer 10.04, only there was this update that came half-way through the release which bugged out my laptop.
[01:17] <Penguin> now i'm on 10.10 and the thing over-heats like crazy. Do you have a CPU heat monitor losty?
[01:18] <losty> no, im still tinkering about Penguin
[01:22] <losty> what do you use Penguin? Psesnor?
[01:23] <Penguin> I have Nvidia drivers, so it comes with the monitor
[01:27] <losty> cool
[01:28] <Penguin> bye losty
[02:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Be Nice, Free Snacks. - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/01/be-nice-free-snacks/
[06:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Looking For Awesome LoCo Team Blog Feeds - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/01/looking-for-awesome-loco-team-blog-feeds/
[08:04] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:15] <DJones> Morning
[08:16] <brobostigon> weird, i just noticed,the signal indicator in android gingerbread, doesnt have an indicator, inicating hsdpa, 3g etc.
[08:16] <brobostigon> morning DJones
[08:17] <DJones> hi brobostigon
[08:24] <diplo> Morning all
[08:24] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:39] <bigcalm> Ug
[08:39] <bigcalm> Hate getting to work early
[08:41] <brobostigon> this is weird, an x-men prequel, a star trek prequel, starwars. loads ofprequels recently.
[08:56] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:41] <oimon> morning
[09:41] <popey> lo
[09:41] <brobostigon> morning oimon and popey
[09:41] <popey> chaps...
[09:41] <popey> do these play back for you ?
[09:41] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsWwCqZfpAI  <- 1080p
[09:41] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5AgfsSvhPs <- 720p
[09:42] <brobostigon> i dont think it is worth trying on my eeepc,really.
[09:42] <DJones> popey: Both do for me on Windows 7 with chrome
[09:42] <popey> hehe brobostigon
[09:42] <DJones> Do you need them checking on ubuntu?
[09:43] <oimon> popey: they work for me on lucid.
[09:44] <oimon> running chromium...although youtube was pinwheeling a lot of the 1080 one ..thats youtubes prob tho
[09:44] <czajkowski> MORNING!
[09:44] <popey> what resolution were you playing them at?
[09:44] <popey> default is 360 i think
[09:44] <oimon> selected 1080 and 720
[09:44] <popey> should playback in html5 too
[09:44] <popey> not just flash
[09:45] <gord> works fine here
[09:45] <oimon> don't notice the different of resolution when the video is of duplocraft :D
[09:45] <popey> true
[09:45] <oimon> was viewing full scren
[09:46]  * oimon went to belle and sebastian gig last night, feeling rather jolly
[09:46] <DJones> Default on my ubuntu machine went to 360 with no option to change, win7 machine would play at 1080 although default was 360
[09:46] <gord> youtube compresses 1080 and 720 stuff so much that it rarely makes a huge difference =\ nice that its there when you want it though
[09:47] <oimon> was watching a desktop screencast the other day in 1080p full screen, feels like your own desktop :D
[09:47] <gord> oop, bunch of mailing lists have mailed me to tell me its the 1st of the month
[09:48] <oimon> with clear text passwords...
[09:48] <DJones> gord: As I got asked in work, did I say "White rabbits"
[09:49] <oimon> hayfever is going mental today
[09:50] <popey> Happy Mailman Day!
[09:50] <popey> -rw-r--r-- 1 alan alan  30G 2011-05-31 21:24 2113-screencast.avi
[09:51] <bigcalm> o.O
[09:51] <popey> ^^^ that youtube video :D
[09:51] <popey> before compression of course
[09:51] <dogmatic69> popey: works for me
[09:52] <popey> took _ages_ to encode
[09:52] <oimon> which s/w did u use to record?
[09:52] <popey> but then I was encoding to 720p and 1080p at the same time. I wont bother next time. just do 1080p and let youtube do it
[09:53] <domjohnson> Erm...is Blender included by default in Ubuntu?
[09:53] <domjohnson> 11.04?
[09:53] <popey> not on the cd, no
[09:53] <gord> no
[09:53] <popey> its in the repo
[09:53] <domjohnson> ok
[09:58] <popey> oimon: sorry, missed your question... ffmpeg
[09:59] <oimon> popey: have you found a screencast tool to work on natty yet?
[09:59] <oimon> or it needs tweaks still
[09:59] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615682/
[09:59] <popey> ^^^ that
[10:00] <oimon> cute
[10:01] <MartijnVdS> popey: only 720p! :)
[10:01] <ali1234> popey: you know you could have just used a torch to open that iron door right? also you didn't pick up all your stuff, you missed something diamond
[10:02] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615683/
[10:02] <popey> MartijnVdS: i have two versions
[10:02] <popey> ^^^ then i do that to encode
[10:02] <popey> ali1234: i didnt know that!
[10:02] <czajkowski> so thats what mine craft is all about
[10:02] <ali1234> a redstone torch that is
[10:02] <popey> which I had loads of ☺
[10:02] <ali1234> yes or you could have just taken the one powering the track
[10:03] <gord> czajkowski, you aren't playing minecraft with us yet? for shame
[10:03] <czajkowski> nope
[10:03] <czajkowski> dear gods I'd never get anything done
[10:03]  * popey notes a typo
[10:03] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615686/
[10:03] <czajkowski> ;)
[10:03]  * czajkowski hugs popey 
[10:03] <gord> oh geez, i installed firefox 6 - now none of my extensions work. what have i done
[10:03] <popey> so that does two-pass encoding to h264 and aac
[10:04] <popey> the webm and ogg conversions are kinda pointless
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> popey: if you use -vpre main (after -vpre hq (in the second pass of mpeg-4) it'll play on more devices out of the box
[10:04] <popey> o rly?
[10:04] <gord> i just use handbrake when converting for youtube :) whenever i try ffmpeg i end up with desync :(
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: I've had problems on my ps3 when not using that flag, it's a bit.. sensitive.. about MPEG-4 optional bits
[10:06] <oimon> people wonder why linux is hard...remember before ubuntu , EVERYTHING was about hidden command line stuff - even burning cds
[10:07] <ali1234> lolno
[10:07] <ali1234> k3b is older than ubuntu
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> oimon: what? cdrecord dev=0,3,0 foo.iso :)
[10:08] <oimon> i'm still slightly untrusting of banshee etc to rip my CDs efficiently
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> oimon: sound-juicer is fine
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> banshee I don't trust :)
[10:08] <oimon> especially after mrs oimon used rhythmbox and ripped a load of CDs and 128kp because it was the default
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I've configured it to rip to FLAC
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> and I move them into the right place in ~/Music using Picard (musicbrainz app) which also adds proper metadata
[10:09] <oimon> i struggled with picard
[10:09] <oimon> used it for 20 mins and was confused
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> its interface is a bit bad
[10:09] <diplo> Hi All, known issues with Nvidia and dual screens on natty ?
[10:10] <ali1234> only the same old ones there's always been
[10:10] <diplo> Screen totally lags out and the locks up
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> sounds like good old nvidia
[10:11] <brobostigon> i think i have finallyfound a version of gingerbread, that works well onmy htc dream, and isnt killing the ram.
[10:11] <gord> diplo, nope, works fine here
[10:12] <diplo> Best way to restart X in natty ?
[10:12] <brobostigon> in basis,nothing elseinstalled, or running, but the basics, and half the ram is still free, someone has beendoing alot ofwork.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> diplo: sudo service gdm restart
[10:12] <popey> thanks MartijnVdS I'm always looking for ways to improve that script!
[10:13] <diplo> Wonder whether a clean install may work better than a upgrade
[10:14] <oimon> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-Blogs-to-close-due-to-limited-use-1253151.html
[10:14] <ali1234> popey: is 72 the height of the top unity panel?
[10:14] <diplo> Hmm happens as soon as I enable second screen, works fine with single
[10:14] <ali1234> that is, are you running minecraft mazimized and then the -i cuts off the top panel?
[10:16] <ali1234> diplo:  check the refresh rates
[10:16] <ali1234> if they are quite different it can mess things up
[10:16] <popey> ali1234: no, thats for when I'm recording a virtualbox window
[10:16] <diplo> kk, just seeing if classis does the same
[10:16] <popey> that skips the top panel and the virtualbox window chrome
[10:17] <ali1234> popey: hmm ok, but it is an offset yeah?
[10:17] <popey> yes
[10:17] <ali1234> cos i have 1200 vertical, and i run minecraft maximized not fullscreen
[10:17] <ali1234> so i can cut off the top 120 pixels to get proper 1080
[10:17] <ali1234> and also get rid of the panel at the same time
[10:17] <popey> 1920x1200?
[10:17] <ali1234> yes
[10:18] <popey> probably easier to just change res of the display
[10:18] <diplo> Hmm monitor preferences says 'Unknown'
[10:18] <popey> and use full screen
[10:18] <ali1234> diplo: it will you must use nvidia-settings
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> diplo: Nvidia's drivers don't support the standard monitor configuration tool
[10:18] <popey> unless you plan on doing something with those 120 pixels ☺
[10:18] <diplo> Different size screens, 1 x 1600x1200 1x 1280x1024
[10:18] <ali1234> ew no, do you know how long it took me to get my xorg.conf right?
[10:18] <ali1234> also fullscreen tends to never ever work right with dual head
[10:19] <popey> ah, dual head
[10:19] <gord> seriously, that stuff needs to be fixed =\
[10:19] <diplo> Both refresh rates set to 60hz
[10:20] <ali1234> ok, alsa problems
[10:20] <diplo> Still lagging out though
[10:20] <ali1234> i don't have hw:1,0, hw:0,0 says i/o error
[10:21] <diplo> Defo works better under classic but still not right
[10:21] <diplo> :/
[10:21] <popey> ali1234: what do you have in /proc/asound/cards ?
[10:21] <popey> I just grab the number from that
[10:21] <popey> and make sure its not muted in pulse audio mixer
[10:21] <popey> :S wfm
[10:22] <wintellect> does popey play minecraft under Ubuntu?
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:22] <wintellect> is it java based?
[10:22] <popey> yes
[10:23] <wintellect> perhaps I'll give it a look then
[10:23] <popey> actually I play in Ubuntu, OSX and Windows
[10:23] <popey> depending on whatever I happen to be on at the time
[10:23] <wintellect> is it easy to set up your own server?
[10:23] <popey> yes
[10:23] <wintellect> cool
[10:23] <wintellect> thanks
[10:23] <popey> there is a jar file on the website, spark that up, job done
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> Keeping it running can be a challenge, I heard
[10:24] <popey> there are other things to consider though
[10:24] <wintellect> oh?
[10:24] <popey> mostly works for me
[10:24] <MartijnVdS> (with memory allocations, garbage collector configuration, etc.)
[10:24] <popey> wintellect: it has high memory requirements
[10:24] <wintellect> :(
[10:24] <wintellect> I have 2.2GB RAM - that enough?
[10:24] <popey> 13146 minecraf  20   0 2806m 1.1g 4680 S   20 38.4 109:47.37 java
[10:24] <popey> yeah
[10:24] <popey> depends how many players you have online at once and how big the map is
[10:25] <popey> and how far apart they all are
[10:25] <wintellect> sure
[10:25] <gord> wonder why minecraft does run better in linux, i mean, significantly
[10:25] <wintellect> do you run it with the sun java - or the free java?
[10:25] <oimon> gord: compared to which OS?
[10:25] <popey> sun
[10:26] <wintellect> k, thanks
[10:26] <popey> cant say I have noticed a difference between win/ubun on same hardware
[10:26] <popey> wintellect: oh, and IO can be a bit of a problem
[10:26] <popey> my minecraft server has an SSD to reduce that issue
[10:26] <gord> on my hardware windows 7 struggles to run minecraft fullscreen, on ubuntu i get like 200fps
[10:27] <popey> i have no idea how many fps I get
[10:27] <popey> will check
[10:27] <popey> I think I turned on fps display on that video at the end
[10:27] <bigcalm> Full screen makes me feel ill
[10:27] <popey> hehe
[10:27] <popey> wuss :D
[10:27] <bigcalm> :'(
[10:27] <gord> its kinda weird to check now that notch added some weird fps limiting stuff, he doesn't seem to know how to use threads =\
[10:27] <bigcalm> Motion sickness FTW
[10:28] <bigcalm> popey: Castle Wolfenstine did the same to me
[10:28] <bigcalm> No other game has though
[10:28] <ali1234> popey: i don't have any numbers in that file
[10:28] <gord> (fyi, #u-uk-minecraft takeover of #u-uk complete!)
[10:28] <popey> hmm, i thought I did
[10:29] <ali1234> well, there's 0, 1, and 2
[10:29] <ali1234> 0 is the one i need
[10:29] <ali1234> but it's in use by pulseaudio of course
[10:29] <popey> oh, sorry, your cards
[10:29] <popey> can you pastebin it?
[10:29] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615690/
[10:30] <popey> thats my /proc/asound/cards
[10:30] <popey> I'm using the snowball
[10:30] <ali1234> but your script says hw:1,0
[10:30] <ali1234> which is the XFi
[10:30] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/615692/
[10:31] <popey> i may have given an old script
[10:31] <popey> i just had a rummage and pasted an old copy
[10:31] <popey> not the one I used last night
[10:31] <ali1234> i get 9 fps recording 1080
[10:32] <ali1234> it's a bit berky jerky
[10:32] <popey> erk
[10:32] <popey> I am recording to a different disk btw
[10:32] <popey> so my script /mnt/screencasts is another SATA drive
[10:32]  * oimon wonders whether to get usb3 ports on staff desktop PCs
[10:32] <ali1234> so am i
[10:32] <ali1234> i could also record to a ramdisk, i have 16 gb now
[10:32] <ali1234> i doubt it would help though
[10:32] <popey> heh
[10:33] <ali1234> i'll give it a go
[10:33] <ali1234> 9 fps isn't that bad
[10:33] <popey> 3GB/min
[10:33] <ali1234> yeah i have a 9GB recording now
[10:33] <popey> i left it running once to see whether the audio and video would go out of sync over time
[10:33] <popey> it didnt
[10:33] <popey> but I did run out of disk space :D
[10:34] <ali1234> since i can't record audio, i won't have that problem
[10:34] <ali1234> one day audio might work properly on linux... but not today
[10:34] <popey> ali1234: pulse audio settings all right?
[10:34] <ali1234> yes pulseaudio works fine
[10:34] <ali1234> but your script uses alsa
[10:34] <ali1234> so it doesn't work
[10:34] <popey> in the pulse mixer thing, you have enabled it as stereo out and mono in?
[10:34] <popey> i still have to fiddle with pulse, even though that script uses alsa
[10:35] <popey> not sure why
[10:35] <popey> although I may have fiddled with alsamixer too at one point
[10:37] <ali1234> yeah i still get 9fps even recording to ramdisk
[10:37]  * bigcalm_ wheeps
[10:37] <ali1234> it's grabbing the x11 display that takes the time
[10:37] <bigcalm> weaps?
[10:38] <bigcalm> This SuperHub has it in for me
[10:38] <bigcalm> Just lost all reserved IP / MAC address associations
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> superhub?
[10:39] <popey> SUUUUUPER HUUUUUUB!
[10:39] <gord> popey, how did you record that minecraft vid, just with recordmydesktop?
[10:39] <popey> heh
[10:39] <popey> no
[10:39] <bigcalm> I really hate calling it that
[10:40] <gord> sorry, with rec<tab>
[10:40] <gord> do tell what you used :)
[10:40] <popey> gord: http://paste.ubuntu.com/615699/
[10:40] <oimon> bigcalm: anything with super in the name usually isn't
[10:40] <popey> I ssh in from another box, export DISPLAY=:0.0 then run that
[10:40] <czajkowski> http://www.simonaltair.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ps17_004_R.jpg  so cute :D
[10:40] <popey> that way you dont see the terminal on screen on the box I am recording
[10:41] <ali1234> um
[10:41] <oimon> czajkowski: why are his eyes red ?
[10:41] <ali1234> how do you get display access on ssh?
[10:41] <oimon> is that how penguins blush?
[10:41] <gord> popey, oh interesting, eat up lots of cpu?
[10:41] <popey> just works
[10:41] <popey> dunno really, dont watch it
[10:41] <popey> I guess it probably does
[10:41] <popey> I'll do one tonight showing performance whilst running
[10:41] <gord> ah huffyuv, that should be fine, big files
[10:41] <popey> yeah
[10:41] <popey> 3GB/min
[10:42] <popey> morning daubers !
[10:42] <daubers> lo o/
[10:42] <daubers> Having melty brain syndrome, so came to somewhere normally a bit drivley to let it rest :p
[10:43] <popey> gord: thats the best script I have come up with so far. Tried pretty much _everything_ over the years
[10:43] <gord> popey, yeah, why i asked you ;) pretty sure your the world expert at this point
[10:43] <oimon> dell customiser won't let me buy a PC - complains "the selection - Roxio Software not included is incompatible with Optical Devices" -
[10:44] <popey> lol
[10:44] <oimon> seem to be having problems buying things lately
[10:44] <dwatkins> gord: there's also vnc2flv
[10:45] <dwatkins> or was that vnc2swf...
[10:45] <dwatkins> http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ - example here: http://rowla.dyndns.org/xmatrix/
[10:46] <dwatkins> I used low resolution because at the time my server was a 900 MHz machine ;)
[10:47] <dwatkins> should I release my enhancements to xmountains, folks? http://rowla.dyndns.org/xmountains/ - I made the colours better, and am considering making the colours changeable, because the original ones were rather ugly
[10:47] <gord> popey, how would i find my hw number for alsa?
[10:47] <gord> oh wait no nevermind
[10:47] <gord> i just tried 1 and it worked :)
[10:47] <popey> gord: cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:48] <popey> dwatkins: vnc2swf has _many_ problems
[10:48] <gord> oh wow that is very very smooth recording
[10:48] <dwatkins> popey: oh right, I don't remember as it was so long ago
[10:48] <popey> well, it records to swf for a starter ☺
[10:49] <popey> and vnc isn't composited desktop friendly these days
[10:49] <oimon> dwatkins: you don't like the green?
[10:49] <dwatkins> oimon: no, it looks like mud which would smell bad ;)
[10:49] <popey> awww pretty
[10:49] <popey> xmountains
[10:50] <oimon> xmountains crashses on my lucid
[10:50] <dwatkins> I guess xmountains would also need to be updated to work with Gnome and the fact Nautilus paints the desktop.
[10:50] <oimon> or exits when i click the window
[10:50] <dwatkins> I turned off that option to run it.
[10:50] <oimon> i actually prefer the default lurid green
[10:51] <oimon> reminds me of swizterland
[10:52] <oimon> i used to use vnc2swf on windows, then i discovered wink
[10:52] <dwatkins> hehe, fair enough - that was why I thought it might be best to add switches to allow people to specify colours, oimon.
[11:00] <daubers> popey: I had my laptop plugged into a capture card on a mac pro the other day. That recorded quite nicely (after mucking around to get the codecs right)
[11:01] <daubers> bit of a faff for home recording mind
[11:01] <popey> which capture card?
[11:01] <popey> I have an Epiphan VGA2USB
[11:01] <popey> which I wouldn't recommend
[11:03] <daubers> popey: Blackmagic ... decklink I think
[11:03] <davmor2> morning all
[11:03] <daubers> Yeah, decklink studio
[11:04] <daubers> interestingly, does have linux drivers too
[11:04] <daubers> http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/decklink/
[11:12]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski 
[11:12]  * czajkowski stabs davmor2 where were you yesterday eh
[11:16]  * DJones offers davmor2 a plaster
[11:16] <|Dreams|> anyone use ubuntu on laptop? whats battery life llike?
[11:17] <czajkowski> |Dreams|: depends on the laptop
[11:18] <webpigeon> |Dreams|: acceptable, (Toshiba saterlite and saterlite pro)
[11:19] <|Dreams|> acer aspire 6920g
[11:19] <davmor2> czajkowski: on holiday in the cotswolds :)
[11:19] <czajkowski> a place of cots
[11:19] <czajkowski> is that sleeping :)
[11:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeah we mis-read it as clots thought youd be there :P
[11:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: on a plus side it's very pretty there :)
[11:22] <awilkins> |Dreams|, I find battery life to be a mite less than vanilla Windows on the same hardware, but after ICT loads all their corporate snoopware, it's about the same.
[11:22] <geek1d> Morning all
[11:22] <awilkins> And that's on an external USB SSD, so it's running more hardware
[11:23] <geek1d> Got my 11.04 installed last night trying to get used to Unity
[11:23] <|Dreams|> ok was thinking of either arch or fedora or ubuntu or windows 7
[11:23] <|Dreams|> i really like gnome 3 tho
[11:23] <davmor2> geek1d: congratulations
[11:24] <geek1d> davmor2:  thanks
[11:24] <davmor2> geek1d: it'll take a few days but once your used to it the old way somehow feels wrong
[11:24] <geek1d> I'm liking it so far first thoughts were no pleasant.
[11:25] <geek1d> davmor2: I'm getting around and used not having the cube! :(
[11:25] <|Dreams|> i dont think unity is for me but i love apt so i am cought in a muddle
[11:26] <geek1d> you guys have any nifty tricks shortcuts etc for unity
[11:28] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/612
[11:29] <popey> ^^^ geek1d
[11:29]  * dwatkins notes that unrar-free fails to unrar
[11:30] <jpds> dwatkins: It's not a winrar?
[11:30] <geek1d> awesome
[11:30] <geek1d> thanks
[11:30] <bigcalm> Who made it June? It shouldn't be June already!
[11:31] <dwatkins> jpds: I suspect it was created on a windows system, but 'unrar' is happily extracting it, whereas the unrar from 'unrar-free' failed very quickly to extract it.
[11:31]  * dwatkins pinches bigcalm and provides a friendly light punch on the arm in addition
[11:36]  * bigcalm feels 12 again
[11:42] <|Dreams|> what is on your laptops?
[11:42] <popey> my hands
[11:43] <popey> a sticker
[11:43] <popey> dust
[11:43] <|Dreams|> give it a clean then
[11:43] <|Dreams|> lol
[11:43] <popey> :D
[11:43] <|Dreams|> i meant os
[11:43] <popey> The one I am using right now runs Windows XP
[11:44] <|Dreams|> what would be your preference I have a acer aspire 6920g battery life is important but as long as there isnt much difference between windows half an hr i can live with I am happy to stay with linux
[11:44] <popey> !best
[11:44] <popey> :D
[11:44]  * awilkins finds that he just gets things done faster in Linux which compensates :-)
[11:44] <popey> personally I'd use 11.04
[11:45] <daubers> I find I get more done in OSX these days, largley as I've broken it more so that only my productivity stuff works :) (That and it's hidden away in a quiet corner of the flat)
[11:46] <|Dreams|> i love ubuntu but dont like the unity would have preferred gnome 3 - shell but since they decided on that i guess it is either fedora or arch i dont like yum but then arch needs configuring more sighzzz
[11:46] <popey> your logic doesnt work |Dreams|
[11:46] <popey> if you dont like unity, dont use it
[11:46] <popey> but that doesnt mean you have to switch to fedora or arch
[11:46] <popey> although, feel free to do that
[11:46] <|Dreams|> you cant use gnome 3 shell on ubuntut though
[11:46] <popey> you can't?
[11:46] <popey> I hear you can.
[11:46] <|Dreams|> i read guide that says it messes your system up
[11:46] <jpds> |Dreams|: sudo apt-get install gnome3-session
[11:47] <popey> brobostigon uses it on his
[11:47] <|Dreams|> http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/05/do-not-install-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu.html
[11:47] <|Dreams|> so i didnt try after readint his
[11:47]  * bigcalm installs it on his laptop to see what happens
[11:47] <popey> i have never seen that blog before
[11:48] <popey> note that is a month old
[11:48] <|Dreams|> ok
[11:48] <|Dreams|> maybe will give it a try then thanks for heads up
[11:48] <popey> let us know how you get on! :D
[11:48] <|Dreams|> ok will do byee
[11:55] <screen-x> <-- has a new job \o/ but its mostly deadrat /o\ which should I use to to familiarise myself; fedora, centos or other?
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> yes.
[11:56] <screen-x> thanks for that MartijnVdS ;-)
[11:56] <popey> we use Red Hat at work. I have never felt the need to use Centos/RedHat at home
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: Glad to be of service :)
[11:56] <popey> they are alike enough
[11:56] <popey> as in, ubuntu is alike enough
[11:57] <screen-x> hmm
[11:58] <screen-x> maybe I'll just come across the differences and learn as I use it.
[11:58] <oimon> screen-x: install ubuntu but a VM of SL or Centos
[11:59] <screen-x> oimon: yeah, was going to use a VM for something rpm based :)
[11:59] <bigcalm> popey: Trying to install gnome3-session from the SC gives this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/615745/
[11:59] <oimon> the best thing to do is get hold of the RHCE training material
[12:00] <popey> bigcalm: did you enable the ppa?
[12:00] <oimon> and learn kickstart etc
[12:00] <screen-x> oimon: ££?
[12:00] <bigcalm> popey: I have no idea, what and how?
[12:00] <bigcalm> gnome-shell does not appear in the SC
[12:01] <oimon> screen-x: i think there's 600-page  books on amazon that are caleld passing your RHCE...can't remember what the best one is..however a colleague may have done the course and has the RH materials
[12:01] <popey> bigcalm: you're not doing what |Dreams| was doing, which is using the gnome 3 ppa
[12:01] <bigcalm> Ok
[12:02] <bigcalm> But it still stands that you can't install gnome3 without knowing how
[12:02] <bigcalm> Or, I can't :)
[12:02] <popey> nobody said you could
[12:02] <bigcalm> Can I, please?
[12:03] <bigcalm> Actually. I'll go and get some lunch instead :)
[12:19] <DJones> Can anybody access https://cybersecuritychallenge.org.uk/index.php or do you get a "Couldn't connect to mySQL server" error
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> maybe that's the challenge?
[12:20] <DJones> Only asking because its linked from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13615091? as looking for people who can "defend the nations networks armed only with a keyboard"
[12:20] <DJones> Maybe somebody should have defended the website to start with
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> it's probably overloaded because of that
[12:20] <DJones> True, didn't think of that
[12:21] <popey> almost certainly
[12:21] <popey> bbcdotted
[13:00] <DJones> Hadn't heard anything about this Mesh Computers went into administration yesterday & were bought out on the same day
[13:07]  * awilkins is finding team meetings mediated via conference call are even more boring than being there in person
[13:11] <daubers> DJones: Who?
[13:11] <DJones> daubers: http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/tech-industry/3283223/mesh-computers-in-administration-brand-sold-to-pc-peripherals/
[13:12] <DJones> The Mesh name seems to have been around for ever
[13:14]  * awilkins remembers actual paper manuals with "MESH" printed on them
[13:15] <oimon> WANG
[13:15] <oimon> best name ever
[13:16] <daubers> screen-x: Oooh... where you working?
[13:18] <Laney> M*E*S*H
[13:34] <popey> My Desktop PC is a Mesh one
[13:37] <JGJones_> I've got a Mesh desktop PC too
[13:37] <JGJones_> although it's dead.
[13:37] <JGJones_> deader than a dodo
[13:37] <JGJones_> and it's still under my desk many months later....
[13:38] <popey> mine has had everything except the mobo and cpu upgraded :D
[13:38] <popey> and the case
[13:38] <popey> planning to replace the fans too
[13:39] <popey> i should probably just spend the money on a new pc and transfer the bits
[13:40] <DJones> I upgraded my desktop at the weekend, the only bits of the original pc that was kept & reused was a couple of memory sticks :)
[13:41] <popey> if i buy a new mobo I'll need new ram wont I ☹
[13:41] <ging> popey: you could wait till usb3 takes off, or you not think that will be in the near future?
[13:41] <popey> I dont need uSB3
[13:42] <DJones> my upgrade was taking to aged machines and taking the best bits of each + various other spares to make one reasonable machine
[13:42] <ging> popey: no but if in 2 years time everyone else has it do you want to be needed to replace your motherboard again to not feel left out?
[13:42] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/desktop.html
[13:42] <popey> ging: no.
[13:42] <ali1234> usb2 is bad enough
[13:43] <popey> 4xDDR2 at 800MHz.
[13:43] <popey> slow and old I guess
[13:43] <ging> is usb 3 qicker than a standard pci bus?
[13:44] <popey> will i neither know nor care
[13:45] <popey> -will
[13:47] <ging> it's a lot quicker i just looked it up, even quicker than pci-e 1 so even that wouldnt do
[13:48] <ging> i wonder if popey was grumpy before i started talking
[13:48] <popey> I'm not grumpy at all.
[13:50] <daubers> \o/ finally finished the last UUPC
[13:50] <popey> ☺
[13:51] <JGJones_> I guess I'm just keeping mine...um...for the PSU, HDD, case and get a new mobo et al for it. Maybe.
[13:52] <JGJones_> I also have a Radio Shack TRS-80 Model 4 Microcomputer on my desk too. This is one awesome machine, it have - read this and weep - DUAL floppy disk drive bays!
[13:52] <gord> i got an i7 a year or so ago, bit more. basically forced me to upgrade everything. new motherboard for the cpu, new gpu for the motherboard, new ram for the motherboard, new psu for the gpu and cpu. then about six months later it became apparent that i needed better cooling, my case was too small so new case and new cooling
[13:52] <gord> i kept the dvd drive i think, can't think of anything else
[13:53] <JGJones_> hdd?
[13:53] <gord> oh yeah i kept one of those around, but windows goes on that. got an ssd to help with building stuff with the i7 :) was bottlenecking on IO
[13:59] <gord> this motherboard has usb3 stuff, i keep it in usb2 mode, don't think i'll ever find usb3 compatible anythings
[14:01] <popey> yeah, it's "whole new pc" time if I upgrade this pc
[14:02] <popey> this is why I have been slowly incrementally upgrading
[14:02] <popey> the only thing I can do now is go to Q6600 CPU and add quieter cooling
[14:11] <oimon> in wonder how long until all our gear is usb3
[14:15] <popey> heh, not everything is USB2 yet
[14:15] <popey> so I doubt "all our gear" will ever go USB3
[14:19]  * daubers has a USB3 HDD caddy
[14:19] <daubers> was the only one I could find that would fit a tall 2.5 disk in
[14:32] <bigcalm> Just about to set up 3 RHE servers. Is there a standard place for putting vhost configs? In Debian based servers vhosts are each their own file.
[14:32] <bigcalm> I can add to /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf if I _have_ to
[14:32] <MooDoo> bigcalm: just create a folder where you want the vhosts to go and use and include line in the httpd.conf
[14:33] <bigcalm> MooDoo: looks like the best route
[14:33] <MooDoo> that way you're not cluttering up httpd.conf
[14:37] <bigcalm> Include vhosts/*.conf
[14:37] <bigcalm> Oops, w/w
[14:38] <MooDoo> lol
[14:44] <popey> do you not have sites-available and sites-enabled?
[14:45] <kvarley> How do I change the permissions of /var/www so that mysql and the contents of my site can be changed via scripts
[14:46] <bigcalm> popey: no
[14:47] <bigcalm> kvarley: find out what user is used by the apache server and then either: 1) chown the files to that user. 2) add that user to a group and chown the files to that group
[14:48] <kvarley> bigcalm: Thank
[14:48] <kvarley> *s
[14:48] <bigcalm> Or, and you really should do this: chmod -R 777 .
[14:48] <bigcalm> Please don't do that :)
[14:48] <kvarley> I'd get hacked lol
[14:55] <shauno> sites-available is a debianism  (altho an entirely sane one once you get used to it)
[14:55] <popey> ah
[15:00]  * bigcalm shakes his fist at RackSpace
[15:01] <bigcalm> Do I have to enable port 80 in the firewall?
[15:01] <bigcalm> .9 can see .10 and .11 internally. But the public IP addresses do not take me to working web servers
[15:15] <bigcalm> HA!
[15:15] <bigcalm> I _did_ have to open port 80 in the firewall
[15:15] <gord> broke my ubuntu mug :( guess i have to use fedora now
[15:15] <bigcalm> Weird
[15:15] <bigcalm> I wonder if I'll be able to collect a mug every year
[15:16]  * popey hugs his oggcamp mug
[15:17] <bigcalm> Damn you cisco! I want to put a dynamic address into a rule
[15:17] <davmor2> gord: if it helps my Ubuntu mug is still going strong but I think I might treat myself to one of those new orange ones
[15:18] <bigcalm> popey: what are the colour of the mugs this year?
[15:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: I don't know what colour are you #badumtish
[15:20] <bigcalm> :P
[15:21] <bigcalm> I'm yellow with a touch of liver failure
[15:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: I couldn't resist sorry :D
[15:25] <popey> bigcalm: no idea ☺
[15:33] <bigcalm> davmor2: it was asking for it :)
[15:35] <bigcalm> 100%   76MB 392.0KB/s   03:19
[15:35] <bigcalm> Thank you upgraded connection :)
[15:35] <bigcalm> This is why I need to upgrade to 50 or 100mb
[15:35]  * bigcalm _makes do_ with 30mb
[15:36] <popey> hah
[15:36]  * popey hugs 30
[15:52] <Laney> that ubuntu mouse looks rough
[15:52] <Laney> anyone tried it?
[15:54] <Laney> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=643
[15:54] <oimon> looks absolutely minging
[15:55] <czajkowski> yay for ice cream!
[15:56] <dogmatic69> that is going to show apple's multi touch mouse who is boss
[15:56] <bigcalm> It doesn't look as though it was designed for daily use
[15:57] <bigcalm> s/daily //
[15:58] <dogmatic69> lol
[15:58] <dogmatic69> took me a few seconds to parse s/daily //
[16:00] <oimon> my knuckles are itching just thinking about that mouse :(
[16:01] <dogmatic69> that mouse + http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=800
[16:01] <dogmatic69> $productivity++
[16:02] <oimon> wearing a skinny ladies tshirt because it was on sale
[16:02] <oimon> even though you're a man
[16:03] <oimon> actually...wearing this: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=776
[16:04] <dogmatic69> just saw that one... clear winner
[16:05]  * popey grrrs at teh windows key on that keyboard
[16:06] <BigRedS> hah
[16:06] <BigRedS> that is a bit dumb
[16:06] <popey> yes
[16:06] <popey> very
[16:06] <dogmatic69> s/bit/very
[16:06] <oimon> i wonder who buys the XXX large cycling bib shorts thing
[16:07] <Laney> for your tandem
[16:10] <BigRedS> I've always assumed those shorts were the result of someone at canonical wanting some nice shorts for free
[16:14] <DJones> BigRedS: I can think of one ubuntu member/developer thats involved in cycling
[16:18] <kazade> afternoon all
[16:20] <DJones> Hi kazade
[16:20] <oimon> my bro and bro in law are doing charity cycle ride london-brighton i wonder if canonical would sponsor them with the outfits :P
[16:21] <dogmatic69> quite a way
[16:22] <BigRedS> oimon: is that the bhf one?
[16:23] <oimon> BigRedS: i'm not sure - they are specifically raising funds for an orphanage in zimbabwe..thats a v good expression of "ubuntu"
[16:25] <DJones> oimon: A former rugby player I know who had to quit when he found out he had cancer is doing a lands end -> john O'groats cycle ride for charity plus hiking up snowdon, scafell pike and ben nevis during the bike ride
[16:26] <BigRedS> oimon: Ah, the bhf one's coming up at the end of this month
[16:26] <BigRedS> it's always the weekend nearest to the solstice
[16:27] <gord> huh so open office is in the hands of apache now - where does that leave libre office?
[16:29] <BigRedS> Hopefully thinking about a merger
[16:29] <BigRedS> I'd like the Libre Office drive/ideals/whatever and the OOo name
[16:31] <shauno> it'd be nice to keep OOo if they can.  the name has traction
[16:32] <shauno> (it's also nice to know oracle can be pushed into doing the right thing, if you kick hard enough)
[16:34] <awilkins> Heh, you'd think the shop who did the screen printing on that keyboard could have at least had the windows key symbol replaced with another Ubuntu logo
[16:35] <Laney> the right thing is withdrawing their support?
[16:36]  * awilkins has a beanie hat
[16:36] <awilkins> I like that the new mug is bigger.... I still use a mug that holds a pint for my tea though
[16:37] <Laney> http://open.spotify.com/track/7CxzcPcOFlnwNhpF4A72NK :-)
[16:41] <shauno> Laney: if their 'support' was holding it back, then yes I think letting go is the right thing to do
[16:41] <awilkins> It's not really doing the right thing though... it's more admitting defeat
[16:41] <awilkins> Just coincidentally happens to be the best thing for the project
[16:44] <oimon> is it possible to setup my own playlists in youtube?
[16:44] <popey> yes
[16:44] <oimon> :D
[16:44] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/view_all_playlists
[16:44] <oimon> cheap mans spotify
[16:49] <DJones> I wonder whether this is a result of MS buying Skype & google looking to persuade dev's to come up with something as an alternative https://sites.google.com/site/webrtc/blog
[17:06] <JGJones_> popey - yup...I was after a new keyboard and thought I would buy from Ubuntu store - but couldn't bring myself to buy an Ubuntu keyboard complete with a Windows logo. It's...wrong...a bit like buying Milk Tray, and opening it up to find a small collection of cat's poop.
[17:06] <bigcalm> Awww, cute
[17:08] <popey> lol
[17:39] <jacobw> is anyone following the curious case of missing bbc radio 'pips' ?
[17:40] <bigcalm> Where did they last hear them?
[17:40] <gord> that sounds like the worst professor layton game ever :(
[17:41] <davmor2> gord: I was thinking the same thing
[17:41] <jacobw> apparently they were discovered missing at the start of PM yesterday.
[17:41] <popey> a box crashed
[17:41]  * czajkowski tickles davmor2 
[17:41] <popey> home time
[17:41] <jacobw> it seems to have deeply disurbed eddie mair :P
[17:41] <czajkowski> popey: toodle pip
[17:42] <davmor2> czajkowski: put me down you don't know where I've been
[17:42] <czajkowski> fair point
[17:42]  * czajkowski sprays detol over davmor2 
[17:42] <jpds> Alright.
[17:44] <Myrtti> A sudden total failure in generating the pips was experienced on 31 May 2011 when the 17:00 signal did not occur. Both the main generator and the back-up system were rendered non-functional possibly due to problems with the power supply. The BBC elected to broadcast a "dignified silence" in their place at 19:00.[6] By 20:00 the same day, the pips were fixed.
[17:45] <Myrtti> one has to wonder
[17:45] <Myrtti> since Finnish national broadcaster has pips too, I wonder where they get theirs from
[17:46] <jacobw> presumably a more modern source than clever box in the basement.
[17:48] <davmor2> jacobw: there's nothing clever about it the block with the mic had laryngitis you'll note they came back at shift change time
[17:48] <jacobw> haha.
[17:48] <davmor2> bloke even
[17:51] <JGJones_> davmor2, nothing clever? Hell I'll say that they are clever if they managed to find a speaking block, or was they getting too attracted to their Companion Cube?
[17:52] <gord> could they just not get the announcer to beep at the microphone?
[17:54] <jacobw> they seems to think people still set their watch by the pips
[17:55] <jacobw> lol, eddie mair is now talking about 'icloud', i love it when bbc people are baffled by tech.
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> They should use https://twitter.com/#!/big_ben_clock
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: They got complaints from pigeon trainers when they changed/removed those pips here in .nl
[17:59] <shauno> I like the pips.  always remind me of my nan's house
[17:59] <jacobw> really?
[17:59] <jacobw> ha.
[18:07] <jacobw> pple went it alone, and while they've had their share of heartache, they eventually built the shining behemoth they are today.
[18:07] <jacobw> Microsoft never did that. *IBM* built their market, and Microsoft rode in on the coattails. (See the history of PC-DOS vs MS-DOS.) They certainly took advantage, but *THEY* did not build the market, IBM did.
[18:07] <jacobw> As far as I can tell, they've NEVER built ANY market. They've always come in as a Johnny-Come-Lately. The 900 lb gorilla J-C-L, but never-the-less, not the innovator.
[18:07] <jacobw> In the past few years it seems their entire business plan could be summed up simply as "Whatever Google is doing, plus Windows and Office".
[18:08] <jacobw> right.
[18:08] <jacobw> I've no idea how that pasted :|
[18:09] <jacobw> I highlighted it whilst reading it, which put it on the clipboard.. which somehow pasted in to the konsole window..
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> Go go RBS!
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Can't book a ticket on Eurostar  because they're down
[18:18] <Azelphur> hmm, fun web dev question. I want javascript events to fire on the clients web browser, when the server receives a log message (via UDP), so I assume I would be using long polling javascript to poll the server, and maybe some python to watch the UDP logs
[18:18] <Azelphur> but what's the most efficient way for the python listening to the UDP logs, to tell the web server to send something to the clients long polling page
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you could use WebSockets
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's HTML5-only, but it does what you want
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1253683/websocket-for-html5
[18:19] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: does that involve the user listening to the UDP logs? that's bad
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: no, that involves the user connecting (over TCP) back to the webserver
[18:20] <Azelphur> oh, I see, so I could do the whole thing in python
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: then you can run something on the server to capture the UDP packets and push them back to the client
[18:20] <Azelphur> luckily the entire audience is 100% going to be using one web browser
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> (so the client does something like "tail -f")
[18:20] <Azelphur> so this is either gonna work or not :)
[18:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Six Months Of Rocking Ubuntu Events - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/01/six-months-of-rocking-ubuntu-events/
[18:30] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yay, the browser supports websocket :D
[18:34] <BigRedS> I'm trying to do a    for i in {0..10}; do.... but where the 0..10 is passable as an argument to a script
[18:34] <BigRedS> but I can't wor out how to, anyone got any ideas?
[18:35] <BigRedS> I want this to Do The Right Thing, basically: http://pastebin.com/0gV8GrCM
[18:57] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:01] <BigRedS> g'morning
[19:03] <bigcalm> Hi AlanBell
[19:30] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: are you knowledgable with the websockets protocol?
[19:32] <Azelphur> or anyone? :P
[19:32] <danfish> Azelphur: it's a fairly new topic, but this chap (who will be at oggcamp I believe may help
[19:33] <danfish> http://chemicaloliver.net/category/programming/
[19:33] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:33] <Azelphur> I have a guy who knows this stuff, he's just not online :(
[19:33] <danfish> he's mostly looking at websocket, node.js and mqtt, but the principles are there and it works
[19:33] <Azelphur> :)
[19:34] <Azelphur> I'm not doing too terribly, I've got the client connecting to the server, but I can't get the client to send any messages to the server or listen to any messages from the server
[19:34] <Azelphur> I think I'm doing something to trigger the security cutoff \o/
[19:34] <danfish> are you using node.js?
[19:35] <Azelphur> no
[19:35] <Azelphur> python as the server, javascript as the client :P
[19:36] <danfish> I tried messing around with pywebsockets, but gave up in the end, and went for node.js - path of least resistance :)
[19:37] <Azelphur> danfish: interesting, would that allow me to be able to use sockets for non-websockets stuff too though?
[19:37] <Azelphur> because I need websockets to be talking to non-websockets things.
[19:38] <danfish> Azelphur: should do - there's even a websocket-flash widget/plugin for non-websockets browsers - can't remember the link.
[19:39] <danfish> node.js can handle a number of protocols
[19:39] <Azelphur> danfish: yea, that's one advantage of the environment I'm working in, there will only ever be one browser to worry about
[19:39] <Azelphur> I'm embedding html inside a game, so it'll always be one browser :)
[19:40] <Azelphur> might use that if I can't get the python to work
[19:40] <danfish> good - I think it should work well - it's "in development" but on a small scale it's proving very stable
[19:41] <danfish> right, dinners is served! laters
[19:41] <Azelphur> yea, this isn't so much small scale
[19:41] <Azelphur> XD
[19:45] <daubers> Evening
[19:59] <ali1234> websockets :(
[19:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[20:03] <gord> the windows 7 erm, start bar thing sure is buggy if you put it on the left hand side, guess i'll just leave it at the bottom and spend my life going to the top left corner in windows expecting something to happen
[20:16] <popey> Evening all
[20:17] <daubers> o/
[20:17] <mrwarmth> Evening popey
[20:17] <jpds> popey: Good evening.
[20:17] <brobostigon> evening popey
[21:35] <gord> http://pedrocr.net/text/how-much-gnu-in-gnu-linux interesting, we ship more mozilla code than gnome code
[21:43] <Laney> why only consider main?
[21:43] <Laney> bananas
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[21:58] <gord> Laney, have you seen the random crap thats in uni/multiverse? would skew the statistics to the point of uselessness
[21:59] <Laney> plenty of random crap in main too
[21:59] <Laney> better to consider the default install or something
[22:03] <gord> well main is stuff thats officially supported, so that makes sense
[22:05] <Laney> "actually packaged by Ubuntu" not really sure he knows what he's on about