| jammcq | greg-g: ping | 00:17 |
|---|---|---|
| greg-g | jammcq: pong | 00:36 |
| jammcq | hey | 00:39 |
| jammcq | sitting here with Craig and other mug guys. | 00:39 |
| snap-l | Hey jammcq :) | 00:39 |
| jammcq | we're putting some info on the mug website for the june 14th meeting | 00:39 |
| jammcq | hey snap-l | 00:39 |
| jammcq | take a peek at http://www.mug.org | 00:39 |
| jammcq | i'd like to add more if you have anything to add | 00:39 |
| greg-g | jammcq: looks good so far, I don't have much more. Could you link "Michigan Ubuntu Loco" to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan | 00:41 |
| jammcq | yep | 00:41 |
| greg-g | I'm emailing the list once more to call for participation | 00:41 |
| jammcq | greg-g: ok, link is working | 00:42 |
| greg-g | awesome, thanks | 00:44 |
| greg-g | (sent the email to the list) | 00:47 |
| rick_h_ | thanks greg-g, that was on my todo | 01:18 |
| greg-g | yeah, mine too, but I hadn't been using my todo manager for a while and I honestly kind of forgot about it | 01:22 |
| rick_h_ | yea, meant to catch it this weekend, but you see how well that went | 01:22 |
| snap-l | Maybe I should do a short presentation on using todo.sh. ;) | 04:09 |
| greg-g | :) | 11:55 |
| tjagoda | Kyarrr | 12:24 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 13:26 |
| rick_h_ | party | 13:26 |
| greg-g | g'morn | 13:26 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: you submitting a talk to PyOhio? | 13:26 |
| rick_h_ | you should :P | 13:26 |
| snap-l | Stupid computer locked up last night, which is why I wasn't on overnight | 13:26 |
| greg-g | lame | 13:27 |
| rick_h_ | well crap, now you missed all the afk excitement | 13:27 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I figured as much | 13:27 |
| brousch | rick_h_: i wish i had something | 13:27 |
| snap-l | The parade of AFK | 13:27 |
| greg-g | stupid unity wouldn't work with dual screens this morning when I got to work, had to restart X | 13:27 |
| snap-l | Ugh | 13:29 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: oh come on, no cool GAE, flask, django goodness to chat about for 30min? | 13:29 |
| brousch | gae and django have annoyed me too much | 13:30 |
| rick_h_ | well, happy to see I'm not the only one :) | 13:30 |
| brousch | i could talk about how the complexity of django and the limitations of gae have driven me to flask and amazon ;) | 13:30 |
| rick_h_ | think about it, not all good talks are "yay here's how this saved my life" talks | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | some of the best are "lessons learned form xxx" stuff | 13:31 |
| brousch | i have 2 days? | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | to submit it | 13:31 |
| brousch | the hardest part about that talk would be exposing my ignorance | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | not to write it | 13:31 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: then a good way to approach it would be that route | 13:32 |
| rick_h_ | "django and GAE, how I failed my tools" or something | 13:32 |
| snap-l | brousch: No better way to learn than to give a talk about it | 13:32 |
| rick_h_ | make some great open space material afterwards | 13:32 |
| snap-l | Django and GAE: It should have worked. | 13:32 |
| brousch | for everything! | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | hah! | 13:33 |
| snap-l | Django and GAE: Why I'm using Flask and Amazon EC2 | 13:33 |
| brousch | nice | 13:33 |
| brousch | i think i could make it work | 13:34 |
| snap-l | "I come not to praise Django and GAE, but to bury them" | 13:34 |
| brousch | the talk, not the django and gae | 13:34 |
| brousch | i will strongly consider this | 13:35 |
| brousch | now you've got my subconscious working on it. dangit you two | 13:38 |
| snap-l | You're welcome. :) | 13:39 |
| greg-g | well done guys :) | 13:39 |
| * brousch opens up a new evernote note | 13:39 | |
| rick_h_ | bwuhaha, my work is done | 13:55 |
| brousch | hopefully they will put me against rick_h_ and no one will attend ;) | 13:56 |
| rick_h_ | hah, I'll get to come and yell "Amen!" from the back while the django lovers get confused looks on their faces | 13:57 |
| brousch | there wasn't a lot of django there last year | 13:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | it needs some more good material for sure | 13:58 |
| snap-l | Yay, morning conference calls. | 14:17 |
| rick_h_ | wheee | 14:18 |
| rick_h_ | this is crazy: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/criticism-and-takedown-how-review-sites-can-defend-free-speech.ars | 14:20 |
| rick_h_ | I'm really thinking I need to find a time machine | 14:20 |
| rick_h_ | I can't believe the crap going down these days | 14:21 |
| tjagoda | Lets all go back to 1955 | 14:31 |
| tjagoda | When life was simple, and we only had to worry about the commie bastard russians. | 14:32 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Unfortunately a lot of misconceptions are coming to roost. | 14:39 |
| snap-l | the idea that you can control how people perceive you, and that ideas are property. | 14:40 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: this with the whole "by signing up for ATT you agree you can never class action lawsuit us.." | 14:41 |
| rick_h_ | all the legalese to try to protect one's branch is just getting crazy | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | what happened to just not pissing off the customer? | 14:42 |
| _stink_ | too expensive. | 14:42 |
| rick_h_ | I guess :/ | 14:43 |
| tjagoda | Our world is broken | 14:43 |
| tjagoda | Somebody please figure out how to fix it/restore liberty as an American value? | 14:43 |
| snap-l | forget liberty, I want the right to bitch | 14:56 |
| rick_h_ | ok seriously? opendns can't find stackoverflow? | 14:59 |
| snap-l | actually, don't forget libery. ;) | 14:59 |
| rick_h_ | StackOverflow.RegEasyPro.com | 14:59 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that's what I wanted | 14:59 |
| rick_h_ | wtf opendns | 14:59 |
| snap-l | Ugh, that sucks | 15:00 |
| rick_h_ | if our CHC caribout gets this crap setup I think it'll be time to find a new location | 15:00 |
| snap-l | That's partially why I use Google DNS | 15:00 |
| rick_h_ | caribou that is | 15:00 |
| rick_h_ | well it's at the router here :/ | 15:00 |
| snap-l | Where are you at? Caribou by you? | 15:00 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 15:00 |
| rick_h_ | they've got this new wireless setup with the "login" gateway, etc | 15:00 |
| snap-l | Royal Oak has it as well | 15:01 |
| snap-l | I think it's a good sign that the Madison Heights one DOESN'T have it | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | I was checking out the verizon 4g mifi rentals scene last night | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | makes me want to skip rental and get one :) | 15:01 |
| snap-l | orly? :) | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | yea, was thinking might be better off just renting for pyohio/olf, etc | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | easier to get the wifely approval than a 2yr contract | 15:02 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I can imagine | 15:02 |
| snap-l | If I went to more conferences, I could see purchasing one. | 15:03 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I'd love one right now | 15:03 |
| snap-l | Well, I could see it anyway, but it's a little harder to justify. | 15:03 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Don't you have a machine you could tunnel to at home? | 15:04 |
| snap-l | That's how I get around a lot of the crap wifi stuff | 15:04 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yea, just haven't bothered setting up | 15:04 |
| rick_h_ | I don't come up here very often | 15:04 |
| snap-l | Not that much effort to set up | 15:04 |
| snap-l | just have a SSH tunnel, and you're golden. | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | bah, no 4g where we're heading in june | 15:14 |
| rick_h_ | there goes the desire to get one this month | 15:14 |
| brousch | rick_h_: how much is a mifi and what's the data cap? | 15:32 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: one place I saw was 1wk rental with 2gb cap for $149 | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | and then it was another $20 for another 2gb | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | if I go month to month the mifi costs me $249 + $50-80/mo for data | 15:39 |
| brousch | ouch | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | and if I go contract then it's $50/mo data + $99 for the mifi | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | but the 50 is more 60 after taxes, etc | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | but I do get an 8% discount with verizon through work | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | but not a big diff | 15:40 |
| jrwren | opendns sucks. | 16:56 |
| jrwren | run your own, or use google :) | 16:56 |
| jrwren | or run your own and use google as the forwarder :) | 16:56 |
| rick_h_ | I had to figure out how to tweak dhclient config to prepend with google dns | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | much better now | 16:58 |
| rick_h_ | only thing now is that dhclient refreshes and wipes my dns added for the vpn conneciton | 16:58 |
| brousch | cron job to fix it every minute ;) | 17:01 |
| tjagoda | Yaaay | 17:40 |
| tjagoda | new interwebz | 17:40 |
| snap-l | w00t | 17:45 |
| brousch | lookit dem toobz! | 17:48 |
| snap-l | I swear, whenever it comes to scheduling family events, I blow it no matter what | 17:50 |
| snap-l | But then JoDee gets upset when I don't want to schedule anything | 17:51 |
| brousch | Doodle | 17:51 |
| snap-l | No amount of technology can fix the underlying problem. | 17:51 |
| snap-l | which is that she doesn't want to do it in the first place. :) | 17:51 |
| snap-l | and that my mom generally is hell-bent on doing something | 17:52 |
| snap-l | It's one of those areas that men cannot win | 17:52 |
| jrwren | i just give up and do wahtever my wife tells me. | 17:54 |
| jrwren | the only way to win, is not to play | 17:54 |
| snap-l | Who is John S. Gruber? | 17:56 |
| jrwren | blogger? | 17:57 |
| snap-l | Apparently he's maintaining the Lernd package, acc. to Jono's latest blog post | 17:57 |
| snap-l | No, not John Gruber | 17:57 |
| snap-l | https://launchpad.net/~jsjgruber | 17:57 |
| jrwren | yeah. | 17:57 |
| jrwren | lernd? | 17:57 |
| rick_h_ | the python snippet tool | 17:57 |
| snap-l | lernid. | 17:58 |
| jrwren | lernid? | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | oh sorry, wrong tool | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid | 17:58 |
| snap-l | Apparently he's also a MUG member, or at least I saw his name last night at the MUG meeting | 17:58 |
| rick_h_ | jono did that quickly app that was part irc, part slideshow viewer, part something | 17:58 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 17:58 |
| snap-l | Wondering if he's active in the Loco, and if we could get him to talk about it at the next MUG meeting | 17:59 |
| jrwren | no link to a project page :( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/lernid/natty/view/head:/debian/control | 18:00 |
| jcastro | he's a local | 18:01 |
| jcastro | he comes to the ann arborish events | 18:01 |
| snap-l | Ah, OK. | 18:03 |
| greg-g | what the flip, did no one use mutt with large maildir folders during the dev of natty? I keep getting stupid errors (I'll dig up the bug I found yesterday in a bit) | 18:22 |
| rick_h_ | uh oh :/ | 18:22 |
| greg-g | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutt/+bug/723221 | 18:24 |
| greg-g | fixed in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620854 | 18:24 |
| rick_h_ | ah, suck | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | guess I don't use -patched anyway though | 18:25 |
| rick_h_ | so no sidebar issues | 18:25 |
| * greg-g likes his sidebars to know if anything needs his attention in lesser used mailboxes | 18:26 | |
| rick_h_ | yea, when offlineimap updates I get the list in the bottom of my window | 18:26 |
| rick_h_ | and hitting . will list dirs with new files | 18:26 |
| greg-g | huh, hadn't used that beore "." | 18:27 |
| greg-g | but, i'm bad and keep some messages in folders marked as unread to get back to later, so it fills up the bottom of my screen (ie: isn't totally useful) | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | yea, use that all the time | 18:27 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I use that with a shortcut nn to mark all as read to hit mailing lists every so often | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | plus when you hit c (and nothing else) it'll defautl to a folder with unread | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | so I find myself, every so often, doing a c<enter> | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | read, read, nn | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | c<enter> | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | but I also have shortcuts to the main folders for each accounts | 18:28 |
| rick_h_ | gm (go to mitechie inbox) | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | gp (go to morpace inbox) | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | gs (go to morpace support folder for tickets) | 18:29 |
| greg-g | right right, I have z1, z2, z3 as my 3 inboxes | 18:29 |
| rick_h_ | yea, so I only use . when I'm looking for extra stuff to catch up on anyway | 18:29 |
| greg-g | huh, and c, never used that either. i can see how these are useful without the sidebar | 18:31 |
| snap-l | Anyone know how to encode a character in Python as unicode? | 18:54 |
| jrwren | use 3.x ? | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | unicode(str) | 18:54 |
| rick_h_ | has to be encoded in something known up front though | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | so depends on what you're doing | 18:55 |
| snap-l | Trying to send over Chinese characters. ;) | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | what's the source of the text? | 18:55 |
| rick_h_ | if it's a file you need to make sure you're doing something like codecs.open() or that the file is utf8/etc to start | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | I just got through doing all this chinese fun | 18:56 |
| snap-l | I just want to send over a simple string | 18:56 |
| snap-l | but I'm having a bitch of a time encoding it | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | so you're copying/pasting the text into your script? | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | the chinese character string? | 18:56 |
| snap-l | Tried that first, then tried escaping it | 18:56 |
| rick_h_ | so if you're creating a string of unicode characters you have to u'something' | 18:57 |
| snap-l | Even if there's some page that could simply tell me what to do, I'd love that. | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | the u says this isn't a normal string, but a unicode version | 18:57 |
| snap-l | I've tried that, and it seems to get botched up | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | it's scattered all over the map unfortunately. It all depends on where the data is coming from, going to, etc | 18:57 |
| snap-l | blergh | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | have your script up on pastebin? | 18:57 |
| snap-l | no, not right ow | 18:57 |
| rick_h_ | if you want can take a peek, also CHC if you want | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | but basically have to trace the text from the whole script lifecycle tracking what 'format' it's in each step of the way | 18:58 |
| snap-l | problem is I'm not sure if the fault is with my script or with the system that I'm using | 18:58 |
| rick_h_ | right | 18:58 |
| snap-l | Holy shit, now it's working. | 18:59 |
| rick_h_ | coolio | 18:59 |
| snap-l | some days I really hate computers. :) | 18:59 |
| snap-l | Even better, I need to do some investigation on UTF-16 | 19:01 |
| brousch | unicode is a bitch | 19:01 |
| brousch | makes me want to punch babies | 19:01 |
| rick_h_ | yea, and UTF-16LE and more and more | 19:01 |
| snap-l | English is good enough for God, so it should be good enough for everyone else. | 19:01 |
| snap-l | (I love how ignorant that statement is) | 19:01 |
| _stink_ | will you CC license that so i can put it on my business card? | 19:02 |
| snap-l | _stink_: Author unknown | 19:03 |
| _stink_ | sounds like you are encouraging copyright infringement | 19:03 |
| snap-l | It's attributed to a bunch of folks | 19:04 |
| snap-l | Wow, OpenOffice is now an Apache project | 19:06 |
| snap-l | I have a feeling the only folks that will be investing in OO.o and not Libreoffice are IBM. | 19:07 |
| jrwren | they will probably merge back together now that sunoracle is gone | 19:09 |
| rick_h_ | I have dir sample/testdir/filesx.. | 19:21 |
| rick_h_ | and I want to create a tar of only testdir/filesxxx | 19:21 |
| rick_h_ | without the sample? | 19:21 |
| rick_h_ | any hints on how to flag that in tar czf? | 19:22 |
| jrwren | chdir before you tar :) | 19:22 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but then the file is in the spot I don't want, etc. | 19:23 |
| jrwren | or invoke tar with -C | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | oh well, just making sure I wasn't missing something everyone else knew | 19:23 |
| rick_h_ | I tried that but kept getting an archive called C | 19:23 |
| jrwren | tar -C sample -czf output testdir/filesxxx | 19:23 |
| jrwren | or | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | can't just do 'tar cvzf sample/testdir/{something}'? | 19:24 |
| jrwren | err... no or. | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | er | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | you know | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | bah, that works | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | can't just do 'tar cvzf blah.tar.gz sample/testdir/{something}'? | 19:24 |
| jrwren | yeah, what _stink_ asys too? | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | when I do that, the archive contains an outer dir sample | 19:24 |
| jrwren | err.. right. | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | oh i see | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | when I extract, I don't want sample as part of the result | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | sorry, right | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | yeah | 19:24 |
| _stink_ | gotcha now | 19:24 |
| rick_h_ | I think the -C is working | 19:25 |
| rick_h_ | I wasn't using a - flag on my czf | 19:25 |
| rick_h_ | I think that confused it | 19:25 |
| rick_h_ | tar czf vs tar -czf | 19:25 |
| snap-l | You can also rsync the files to a tmp directory, and then tar them. ;) | 19:25 |
| rick_h_ | well I am writing a python script, might as well tar = TarFile();tar.add(sample/blah/blah.py) one by one :P | 19:25 |
| _stink_ | hah | 19:26 |
| snap-l | I wish Google Voice had the ability to discern if callers are going to leave a voice mail | 19:26 |
| snap-l | and if not, then it doesn't ring my phone at all. | 19:26 |
| rick_h_ | mind reading, that's a good feature | 19:26 |
| snap-l | I'd pay an extra $1 for that | 19:26 |
| greg-g | just build into g-voice whatever it was that was built into the elevators in H2G2 | 19:26 |
| jrwren | rolf @ the rsync | 19:27 |
| jrwren | Down is nice too. | 19:27 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Don't tell me you've never done that. ;) | 19:27 |
| jrwren | i don't actually recall doing it... but you are right, i probably have. | 19:27 |
| rick_h_ | umm really?! http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/01/twitter-photos-search/ | 19:56 |
| Blazeix | photobucket? they're still around? | 20:00 |
| rick_h_ | no kidding | 20:00 |
| brousch | are you kidding me? I just bought a Cr-48 at lunch and now google sends me an invite to a pre-sale for the new google chromebook | 20:02 |
| rick_h_ | brought? | 20:02 |
| rick_h_ | bought? | 20:02 |
| brousch | yeah | 20:02 |
| brousch | off a guy that didn't want it | 20:02 |
| rick_h_ | I didn't know they sold any | 20:02 |
| brousch | technically not supposed to sell them | 20:03 |
| rick_h_ | oh, well come on man, they annouced back at google io they were going to have new dual core models coming in June | 20:03 |
| brousch | yeah, but it's not supposed to be for 2 weeks | 20:03 |
| rick_h_ | so you're mad you got an email 2wk ahead of launch you knew was coming? | 20:03 |
| brousch | if it had come 4 hours ago i might not have bought the cr-48 | 20:04 |
| brousch | ah well, the samsung chromebook is $500 | 20:04 |
| brousch | more than i want to spend right now | 20:04 |
| rick_h_ | yea, they're both over $400 | 20:05 |
| brousch | this is not an announcement of the june 15 launch, this is an invite to an early release sale, so i could buy it now | 20:05 |
| rick_h_ | you should have told me you wanted to buy one :P | 20:05 |
| rick_h_ | ah, interesting | 20:05 |
| brousch | i may want more ;) | 20:05 |
| brousch | i have a feeling my son will take over this one | 20:05 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I just moved mine out of the way again | 20:05 |
| rick_h_ | just nothing over my laptop so I don't use it much | 20:05 |
| rick_h_ | but still like it so don't get rid of it | 20:05 |
| brousch | i'm excited about it. i think it will be great for tech-impared parents and grandparents | 20:06 |
| rick_h_ | yea, my uncle uses it when he comes over | 20:07 |
| brousch | i thought these things were supposed to be super cheap | 20:08 |
| rick_h_ | heh, well they have 3g, more storage, dual cores, people want nice hardware | 20:08 |
| rick_h_ | I mean, think about how much that cell phone of yours costs, and that's a smaller display | 20:08 |
| brousch | $99 | 20:09 |
| rick_h_ | oh right...hahahahahahahahahaha | 20:09 |
| rick_h_ | I'll let google know to start sending you an $80/mo bill right away | 20:09 |
| brousch | i think they have the same storage and ram as the cr-48 | 20:10 |
| rick_h_ | I think they were supposed to have a little more storage since they support pluggin in sdcards and such for loading photos | 20:10 |
| rick_h_ | plus the sdcard slot, the support for the usb cameras/etc | 20:10 |
| brousch | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook | 20:10 |
| rick_h_ | gotcha | 20:11 |
| jrwren | why buya chrome book? | 20:13 |
| jrwren | you can just download a chromeOS build adn run it on your laptop. | 20:13 |
| brousch | i did that. it was an annoying layer on suse | 20:13 |
| jrwren | oh, it was suse? I didn't notice that when i watched it boot :) | 20:13 |
| brousch | opensuse | 20:14 |
| brousch | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/Screen%20shot%202011-06-01%20at%203.15.18%20PM.png | 20:16 |
| rick_h_ | heh, only selling the 3g model eh | 20:16 |
| brousch | i guess | 20:16 |
| rick_h_ | the 3g is cool, 100mb in a crisis is some worthy bandwidth for free | 20:16 |
| brousch | true | 20:17 |
| brousch | GR just had its verizon 4g turned on today | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we've got it out here so I'm itching whenever I hit crappy wifi out there | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | but I spent 2yr on an ATT contract with a pcmcia modem | 20:18 |
| rick_h_ | ugh for another contract | 20:18 |
| rick_h_ | ok brousch hit you up to the pyohio crew so you get a bonus point | 20:19 |
| rick_h_ | now you HAVE to submit :P | 20:19 |
| brousch | yeah, i put it out there so i'd feel more guilt if i didn't follow through ;) | 20:21 |
| jrwren | this is sweet http://dev.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/software-updates-courgette | 20:42 |
| brousch | jrwren: that is pretty cool | 20:43 |
| jrwren | its kinda nuts that it disassembles and reassembles | 20:45 |
| brousch | Is it? I have no idea | 20:45 |
| jrwren | well, think about it. | 20:46 |
| jrwren | lets take native x86 or x64 code, turn it back into asm, diff that, ship that, then let the cilent turn the asm back into x86 or x64 | 20:47 |
| jrwren | that is practically like recompiling on teh client side. | 20:47 |
| jrwren | it means they ship an assembler as part of the diff program AFAICT | 20:47 |
| snap-l | I can't believe they're selling these at $400 a pop | 20:58 |
| snap-l | Pretty crippled machines, if you ask me. | 20:58 |
| snap-l | (the chrome laptops) | 20:59 |
| brousch | $500 | 20:59 |
| brousch | the asus will be $400, but they have smaller screens | 20:59 |
| snap-l | Even worse | 20:59 |
| brousch | supposedly you can install linux ;) | 20:59 |
| snap-l | I can do that on just about any machine | 21:00 |
| snap-l | $199 would have been my limit for buying a chrome book | 21:00 |
| snap-l | but $500 is too expensive for a crippled machine | 21:00 |
| brousch | yeah, this thing would have to rock to spend $500 on it | 21:07 |
| brousch | i was expecting a $200 price point | 21:08 |
| rick_h_ | really? I mean for $200 you can't get a ton of electronic gear | 21:10 |
| rick_h_ | I mean, an LCD tv is 300/400 | 21:10 |
| _stink_ | i think it has more to do with the cost for a bottom of the line laptop. | 21:11 |
| _stink_ | like what, $400? | 21:11 |
| _stink_ | for a normal laptop? | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | I mean the ereaders are barely at that price point | 21:11 |
| _stink_ | but bottom of the line? | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but these are better hardware than bottom of the line | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | and that price point is with 3g and subsidized 100mb/mo of 3g service | 21:11 |
| rick_h_ | to expect a laptop, running flash, with cpu, memory, radios, etc for $200 is nuts | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | this thing is a laptop, it's only the OS that's different. Sure, a smaller hard drive, but still just a low end laptop | 21:12 |
| brousch | but these are supposed to be disposable | 21:12 |
| brousch | $500 is not disposable | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | that cell phone is $500 and people treat those as disposable | 21:12 |
| rick_h_ | how many lost/etc smart phones per year | 21:12 |
| jjesse | i was suprised by cost as well | 21:13 |
| jjesse | do they come w/ cell contract or something to keep you always connected? | 21:13 |
| brousch | no one pays $500, they pay $99 and then the rest is rolled into the monthly bill | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | right, these come sans monthly bill, you're welcome | 21:13 |
| brousch | and i don't know anyone that treats a smartphone as disposable | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | that doesn't negate the fact that if you lose your smartphone, you're not getting a second for $99 | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | I just mean that people lose/drop them and go buy another | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | that's disposable | 21:13 |
| rick_h_ | they give $500 iphones to their 11yr olds | 21:14 |
| rick_h_ | that's disposable | 21:14 |
| brousch | for $500 i can get an ipad2. why would i choose a bulky chromebook? | 21:14 |
| rick_h_ | bulky? you mean a 12" little machine with a full sized keyboard? | 21:15 |
| _stink_ | for the OS, i guess | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | because you want to plug in a camera and upload photos | 21:15 |
| brousch | the OS is a stripped-down linux with a web browser | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | that's why | 21:15 |
| _stink_ | i think i had a preconception that chromeos would be shipped on total piece of shit, cheap hardware. | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | because you want to hook up a webcam and do a conference call | 21:15 |
| rick_h_ | no, they're trying to sell these to school's/businesses | 21:16 |
| brousch | ipads have cameras now :P | 21:16 |
| rick_h_ | they can't be crap hardware that dies every 6mo | 21:16 |
| _stink_ | if it's targeted to businesses, then i can see $500 as a reasonable price | 21:16 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: heh, yes they have a camera that's hailed across the tablet verse as "crap" and that's the nicer backside one | 21:16 |
| brousch | _stink_: i agree. i had the impression of a netbook-like hardware for cheap | 21:16 |
| brousch | maybe it will get to that point | 21:17 |
| rick_h_ | that's exacltyh why they've never said "netbook" in any accouncement/press release | 21:17 |
| brousch | these are the first few models | 21:17 |
| rick_h_ | they've always said notebook, always been at least 12" | 21:17 |
| rick_h_ | the thing is the same size as my x201, but 1/4 the price | 21:17 |
| brousch | the asus is 11.6" :P | 21:17 |
| rick_h_ | whatever, got me there | 21:18 |
| brousch | don't get me wrong, i want it to succeed | 21:18 |
| brousch | which is why i'd like to see it for cheaper | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | I don't want crap hardware. The touchpad and screen on this cr-48 leave a lot to be desired | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | if people are going to use this thing, travel with it, etc it needs to hold up to use better than a $500 toshiba laptop crap machine | 21:19 |
| brousch | 1280x800 at 12" is better resolution than my mbp | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | apple puts crap displays on their laptops | 21:19 |
| rick_h_ | I go nuts whenever I think about peeking at them | 21:20 |
| jrwren | not to mention its basically useless offline, right? | 21:20 |
| jrwren | I mean, how many chrome apps do offline mode? | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: but with 3g built in, that's rarer | 21:20 |
| jrwren | if you are urban, sure. | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | and they announced this June/july most of the google apps would get offline mode | 21:20 |
| brousch | well it has a 16GB SSD and SD slot, so it must have some offline capabilities | 21:20 |
| jrwren | but what if you are country folk? | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | not for everyone | 21:20 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not arguing that, but for schools/businesses with wifi, mobile workforce using web based CRM packages, etc | 21:21 |
| jrwren | yeah, a giant browser cache and space for html5 -data :) | 21:21 |
| rick_h_ | they're not bad machines, more solid than a cheap laptop at that point | 21:21 |
| jrwren | oh sure, it has some great use cases. | 21:21 |
| brousch | my dad and wife's parents are in the boondocks and they get verizon signal. i think connectivity is becoming less of a problem | 21:21 |
| jrwren | 3G ? | 21:21 |
| rick_h_ | my aunt in VA has no signal to any carrier | 21:21 |
| brousch | sometimes | 21:22 |
| rick_h_ | I mean no signal, not normal, edge, or 4g | 21:22 |
| rick_h_ | 3g | 21:22 |
| jrwren | I can drive through town and story is same for ATT & VZ... 3G, E, no coverage, 3G E, no coverage :) | 21:22 |
| rick_h_ | so there are places, but I think that's a minority of the market | 21:22 |
| jrwren | yeah, down my street there is a no signal zone :) | 21:22 |
| jrwren | i was on MSFT campus and there was a dead hallway with no signal!!! | 21:22 |
| brousch | if these things get down to $200, i can maybe put them in the shop | 21:23 |
| brousch | they won't last a year out there, but maybe at that price it's worth it | 21:23 |
| rick_h_ | for a business you get in bed with the monthly sub program | 21:23 |
| rick_h_ | then you get replacements, etc | 21:23 |
| rick_h_ | thing dies, get a new one sent to you | 21:23 |
| brousch | that could work | 21:24 |
| jrwren | i think it might be good for old laptops. | 21:24 |
| jrwren | because ubuntu doesn't run on old laptops... maybe chromos will :) | 21:24 |
| rick_h_ | right now it doesn't run on intel does it? | 21:24 |
| rick_h_ | natively? | 21:24 |
| brousch | and it really makes my web-based version of our internal software look much more valuable | 21:25 |
| jrwren | there are 3rd party builds. | 21:25 |
| jrwren | i don't think the google builds are exactly open source. | 21:25 |
| jrwren | its more like the android model. | 21:25 |
| rick_h_ | right | 21:25 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: oh definitely, things like quickbooks online and such make a TON more sense in this model | 21:25 |
| rick_h_ | especially because these things are so locked down, leaking your .qbk file or whatnot is much much harder if not near impossible | 21:26 |
| jrwren | tablets have made web based internal apps a *good thing* too | 21:26 |
| rick_h_ | yea, but many of those business apps really require a keyboard | 21:26 |
| brousch | well, quickbooks specifically will not be replaced, but our access/foxpro systems will be | 21:26 |
| rick_h_ | I look at all the data entry my wife does in her medical mgt software | 21:26 |
| rick_h_ | they talk about ipad versions, but man, that would just suck | 21:26 |
| jrwren | yeah, that would suck BIG TIME | 21:26 |
| rick_h_ | I think a lot of the use cases, insurance adjusters, etc fall under that same model | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | but yea, as PoS stuff, an ipad would rock | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | the square solution for that is so interesting | 21:27 |
| brousch | square? | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | give one to a few employees roaming the store helping employees and ditch the old idea of the checkout line | 21:27 |
| jrwren | i think you are very right. | 21:27 |
| rick_h_ | http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/03/square-ipad/ | 21:28 |
| jrwren | prior to that apple store employees actually used Windows CE 6.x devices to check you out!!! | 21:28 |
| rick_h_ | not saying it'd work everywhere, but would make for some interesting tests/themes out there | 21:28 |
| brousch | ah, the comic book store had me use that a month or so ago | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's pretty interesting. Penguicon used one of their readers for doing CC payments this year | 21:29 |
| rick_h_ | ok, time to go finish up and get the boy. How much time left before CHC?! | 21:30 |
| brousch | speaking of 4g, one of the windows guys reports: Using speediest on thunderbolt, 25.42 down, 1.47 up | 21:34 |
| brousch | speedtest i think he means | 21:34 |
| jrwren | CHC??? ppfff... I'm speaking at AACS tonight! Come hear that! | 21:34 |
| brousch | whowha? | 21:36 |
| snap-l | I <3 my wife | 22:31 |
| snap-l | she brings home some neat toys | 22:31 |
| snap-l | This is an old SUn Ray terminal that doesn't appear to have anything to talk do | 22:33 |
| snap-l | to, rather | 22:33 |
| brousch_ | am i here now? | 23:07 |
| brousch_ | ok, the cr-48 is nice! | 23:07 |
| brousch_ | excellent touchpad. rick_h_ i don't know what you're complaining about | 23:08 |
| brousch_ | not quite MBP quality, but better than most other PC touchpads | 23:13 |
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