[07:23]  * abogani waves all
[07:23] <abogani> The new -lowlatency kernel is ready for test.
[07:23] <abogani> ScottL: ^
[08:12] <astraljava> abogani: Excellent news! I'll give it a go later today. :)
[12:41] <scott-work> astraljava: did you say that you were going to look into the cdrdao build failure?
[13:16] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, I will be, but might take until tomorrow, though.
[13:16] <scott-work> astraljava: no problem :)
[13:16] <astraljava> scott-work: Do you have an idea regarding us-meta?
[13:17] <scott-work> usually when i see uninstallable binaries i wait a few days and if no one else fixes it then i start to get worried and look into it ;)
[13:17] <scott-work> astraljava: the -meta is failing to build to because cdrdao is part of the -meta
[13:17] <scott-work> fix cdrdao and the -meta should build
[13:20] <astraljava> scott-work: Right. Yeah, on cdrdao changelog, seb128 has this to say: debian/control: build without gcdmaster it's not really maintained and it depends on deprecated gnome libraries
[13:20] <astraljava> But that was already last Friday, so I can't understand the failing build then.
[13:21] <astraljava> Ahh... I get it.
[13:21] <scott-work> you might just email him and tell him that it appears that his change is borking the build and see if he takes care of it
[13:21] <astraljava> cdrdao 1:1.2.3-0.1ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries, but there is now cdrdao (1:1.2.3-0.1ubuntu2) oneiric; urgency=low, for which the changelog entry is actually.
[13:22] <astraljava> Why are we building against the older one, then?
[13:24] <persia> Just bad timing probably.  The image builds build against what is available at ftp.internal when they build, which can be a bit behind the latest uploads.
[13:24] <astraljava> persia: Gotcha. So, wait a few more days, then.
[13:25] <persia> That's not what I'd do :)
[13:25] <astraljava> Oh?
[13:25] <persia> I'd recommend attempting an install in a chroot.
[13:25] <persia> `apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop^` should pull the current task, and try to install it.
[13:26] <persia> If that works, the next image build *should* work (unless something else changes).  If that doesn't work, then it's worth investigating why.
[13:26] <persia> If something can't be installed, check LP to see if there is a more recent upload (usually this would fix it).
[13:26] <astraljava> persia: Okay, I'll do that tomorrow then. Thanks!
[13:26] <persia> Or maybe it's wedged by some other thing which is being fixed.
[13:27] <persia> And of course, if there are no pending uploads, then it's worth trying to just fix it (many times this is a rebuild or similar).
[13:28] <persia> Since packages are only rebuilt when they are noticed to have issues, it's not uncommon that we're running something built ages ago (some packages haven't been updated since 5.04, but they work, so nobody cares)
[13:28] <scott-work> LOL
[13:29] <persia> scott-work: http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/unchanged/unchanged_since_warty
[13:29] <astraljava> Hehe. :)
[13:30] <scott-work> wow
[14:35] <scott-work> hi Kokito , good morning :)
[14:35] <scott-work> early for you isn't?
[14:40] <Kokito> morning scott-work 
[14:40] <Kokito> yeah, lt of things in my head lately wake me up too early :)
[14:41] <scott-work> this weekend should be our regularly scheduled contributor meeting
[14:42] <scott-work> Kokito: will you be available for the meeting...it should be on Sunday morning, not sure of the time since ailo and holstein wanted to change it
[14:43] <ailo> scott-work, I think it would be good to change the time, so that everyone has the chance to participate
[14:44] <scott-work> ailo: i completely agree, just can't remember what time you and holstein decided ;)
[14:44] <ailo> I believe it was 17.00 UTC
[14:45] <ailo> Yeah, it was 17.00. I double checked with astraljava, who is the person that will have the latest time
[14:45] <ailo> He had no problem with it
[14:45] <scott-work> i'll see about updating the meeting wiki page today then for that
[14:45] <ailo> And Kokito should have the earliest time
[14:47] <Kokito> scott-work: & ailo I have not planned my weekend yet, but if I can I will attend the meeting
[14:47] <scott-work> Kokito: if not, can you send me an update for the website update and i'll report it for the meeting
[14:48] <scott-work> Kokito: is there anything still holding you up?
[14:48] <Kokito> scott-work: yes, lack of time :)
[14:49] <scott-work> Kokito: hahaha, i'm not sure i can help with that one :)
[14:53] <Kokito> I know :)
[15:19] <scott-work> listening to linux outlaws i heard that Fit and the Conniptions records their music with ubuntu studio
[15:19] <scott-work> http://music.conniptions.org/
[15:19] <scott-work> maybe we should include something on the new website to showcase artists that use ubuntu studio
[15:20] <scott-work> hi falktx 
[15:20] <falktx> hey scott-work
[15:24]  * scott-work hasn't actually listened to the Fit and the Conniptions music
[15:29] <scott-work> listening to F&C, it's relatively well produced :)
[15:40] <scott-work> hi quadrispro 
[15:41] <scott-work> i included you on the mudita24 RFP (or RPF) email
[15:41] <quadrispro> yep, I got it
[15:41] <quadrispro> hi all
[15:43] <scott-work> quadrispro: okay :)
[15:43] <falktx> hey quadrispro
[15:43] <scott-work> quadrispro: i see you have been busy with the ladish transition
[15:44] <quadrispro> I need to allocate some time for it as I'm quit busy with the lash->ladish transition
[15:44] <quadrispro> yep :)
[15:44] <quadrispro> I've been writing the report to request the removal of lash from Debian's archive
[15:45] <quadrispro> just few packages still need to be fixed
[15:45] <quadrispro> ehy falktx 
[15:45] <falktx> quadrispro: quick question - is debian now fully deprecating lash in favour of ladish+session?
[15:46] <quadrispro> falktx, yep, it is
[15:46] <falktx> cool
[15:46] <quadrispro> keeping an obsolete software in the archive is nonsense anyway, plus the alternative is on the way
[15:47] <falktx> quadrispro: I want to backport your changes to my PPAs, so many thanks for your hard work
[15:47] <quadrispro> ;)
[15:50] <scott-work> quadrispro: i was under the impression that ladish depended on lash, it would appear that i was wrong then ;)
[15:51] <scott-work> it will be interesting to see how things split between jack-session and ladish
[15:51]  * falktx believes that as soon as he make some ladish tutorial videos, everyone will want to go the ladish way...
[15:52] <scott-work> i think i have a good feel for what ladish is offering but i haven't found a good resource to understand what jack-session is intending to offer
[15:52] <scott-work> falktx: that would be a good thing to do...i'll even offer to help with editing the video if you record it
[15:52] <quadrispro> yes, scott, you aren't right :) ladish is just the replacement of lash
[15:53] <scott-work> falktx:  don't forget, you make a script for building live images of ubuntu studio and i'll pay a bounty ;)
[15:54] <falktx> scott-work: yes, I didn't forgot that
[15:54] <scott-work> oh good :)
[15:55] <falktx> as soon as I port the old plugins from the old PPA and the debian-multimedia ladish stuff, I'll start to make ISOs
[16:19] <quadrispro> i have to go, cya!
[16:45] <holstein> ailo: 17:00 utc 
[16:45]  * holstein double checking
[16:45] <holstein> im going to hit the lists with a reminder
[16:45] <ailo> holstein, Yep
[16:45] <holstein> sunday right?
[16:46] <ailo> Sunday as far as I am aware
[16:46] <holstein> cool
[16:46] <holstein> this is that converter that scott-work suggested right?
[16:46] <holstein> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
[16:52] <scott-work> this is the converter that i prefer:  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html?year=2011&month=6&day=1&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p1=104
[16:52] <scott-work> because it shows many major cities (countries) that most can find that is close to their own city
[16:53] <holstein> check this out...
[16:53] <holstein> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ubuntustudio+meeting&iso=20110605T17
[16:54] <holstein> ^ that looks correct?
[16:54] <scott-work> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110605T17http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110605T17
[16:54] <scott-work> oh, sorry, didn't see you had typed, holstein 
[16:55] <scott-work> why is my link sooooo much longer than yours, hmmmm?
[16:55] <holstein> i think its just doubled up
[16:55] <scott-work> oh, because mine is WRONG!  LOL
[16:55] <holstein> and the name is longer
[16:56] <scott-work> ah, right, deleted the last half and it works
[16:56] <scott-work> holstein: i would like to mention in all future correspondence that we include "ccontributor" to encourage people to help
[16:57] <holstein> scott-work: i like it
[16:57] <scott-work> or hopefully prevent biasing people to say, "well, crap, i can't code, i'm not a developer, i shoudlnt' be in that meeting"
[16:57] <holstein> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110605T17
[16:58] <holstein> ^ thats the link i'll use
[16:58] <holstein> scott-work: is there an itenerary?
[16:59] <scott-work> not yet
[16:59] <holstein> i think as things get closer, we need to get more 'buisness' about it
[16:59] <scott-work> i will throw together something during lunch today
[16:59] <holstein> did you get a chance to see charlie-tca run that xubuntu-devel meeting?
[16:59] <scott-work> i did
[16:59] <holstein> quite effecient :)
[16:59] <scott-work> i think if we held it in #ubuntu-meeting then we could use that bot
[17:00] <holstein> Daviey said he'd help us get a bot in here
[17:00] <holstein> scott-work: i could go either way really
[17:00] <Daviey> holstein: did i?
[17:00] <holstein> Daviey: right?
[17:00] <scott-work> it is already in #ubuntu-meeting, i thought it was be easiest to do that
[17:00] <holstein> maybe you said you'd point me in the right direction
[17:01] <holstein> Daviey: im not saying you havent done what you said you'd do, i havent followed up
[17:02] <holstein> Daviey: i was asking because in #ubuntu-us-nc, mootbot-uk really made things easier
[17:03] <holstein> eitherway, the meeting is in here on sunday, so im going to get that annoucement out
[17:07] <Daviey> holstein: I can add mootbot-uk here.
[17:08] <Daviey> Personally, i wonder if having the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting is better for studio...
[17:08] <Daviey> more exposure. :)
[17:09] <holstein> Daviey: yeah, i agree with both you and scott-work about that
[17:10] <holstein> scott-work: i havnet fired off this email, do you want to see it #ubuntu-meeting is available?
[17:10] <holstein> *i mean, i'll see if its availalbe if you want to try and move it there by this sunday
[17:12] <Daviey> posting a reminder /here/ at meeting start time, surely means nobody will be lost.
[17:13] <scott-work> holstein: yes, i would try to see if #ubuntu-meeting is available, even log it into the calendar if possible, then email
[17:13] <holstein> scott-work: cool, i'll hold off then, and ping you when i sort it out
[17:15] <holstein> Daviey scott-work , do you have to be registered to have voice in -meeting?
[17:15] <holstein> flags are +Ccz looks like
[17:16] <holstein> When +z is set, the effects of +b, +q, and +m are relaxed. For each message, if that message would normally be blocked by one of these modes, it is instead sent to all the users who are currently set +o (channel operator). This is intended for use in moderated debates.
[17:17] <holstein> that looks open then right?
[17:17] <Daviey> it is open, anyone can talk
[17:17] <holstein> i plan on linking a freenode webchat link in the email
[17:17] <scott-work> holstein: you might not send the email until we have a wiki page to link with an agenda
[17:17] <holstein> i'll explain what that channel is for though
[17:17] <holstein> *dont just join and start heckling ;)
[17:18] <holstein> scott-work: is there an ongoing wiki page?
[17:18] <holstein> i'll start an agenda that looks like this
[17:18] <holstein> open discussion
[17:18] <holstein> discussion timeline
[17:19] <holstein> discuss timeline*
[17:19] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings
[17:19] <scott-work> that's the landing page for them, i'll make a specific one later today unless you want to crack it out now
[17:20] <holstein> ok, that gets me started i think
[17:20] <holstein> scott-work: if i get stuck, i ping for help
[17:20] <scott-work> sure :)
[17:40] <holstein> scott-work: heres what i started https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
[17:41] <holstein> w00t, i got it added to the fridge for #ubuntu-meeting
[17:41] <holstein> *im pretty sure at least
[18:06] <scott-work> holstein: the fridge does show the meeting but it's labeling it at 5:00 pm GMT apparently, is this correct
[18:06]  * scott-work is pretty ignorant about GMT
[18:13] <charlie-tca> Studio installed for alpha1, if nothing is marked in Software Selection
[18:14] <scott-work> hi charlie-tca
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Hi
[18:15] <scott-work> we didn't actually expect an alpha1 image to be published, i thought i had that understanding with skaet
[18:15] <charlie-tca> Got a new guy testing it, just to see if it will install
[18:15] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:15] <charlie-tca> gives him good practice
[18:15] <holstein> charlie-tca: w0w, thanks :)
[18:15] <scott-work> we know that the audio-base (or similar, forget the name) seed has uninstallable seeds so it probably craps out :/
[18:16] <charlie-tca> and it helps to be able to say you did publish alpha1, even if it is broken
[18:16] <holstein> scott-work: alright, i think i got everything sorted, im firing off this email
[18:16] <holstein> 17:00 UTC = 5pm GMT right?
[18:16] <scott-work> holstein: is the time on the fridge correct?
[18:16] <holstein> or am i making that up
[18:16] <scott-work> i don't know :/
[18:16] <holstein> well, i'll double check that...
[18:17] <scott-work> i thought UTC and GMT were the same, just renaming it
[18:18] <charlie-tca> holstein: right, I believe
[18:18] <holstein> yeah, UTC and GMT are the same
[18:18] <charlie-tca> let me get through this meeting and give you a world time url
[18:18] <holstein> so, 17:00 and 5p are the same
[18:18] <scott-work> good :)
[18:19] <holstein> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110605T17&sort=0 should be it
[18:19] <scott-work> charlie-tca: this is the converter we were using:  http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Ubuntu+Studio+Contributor+Meeting&iso=20110605T17
[18:19] <scott-work> lol
[18:19] <charlie-tca> That works. 
[18:19] <holstein> OK, im firing it off
[18:19] <scott-work> sounds good :)
[18:19] <charlie-tca> to calculate real time, just subtract 12 from the numbers bigger than 12:00
[18:20] <charlie-tca> and add a pm, of course
[18:20] <holstein> scott-work: im sending it to both lists
[18:20] <scott-work> i'm ex USMC, i'm used to the military time ;)
[18:20] <holstein> the -dev and -user
[18:20] <scott-work> holstein: absolutely :)
[18:20] <holstein> OK
[18:21] <charlie-tca> scott-work: me too
[18:22] <scott-work> oh wow, that's cool, how long ago?
[18:22]  * charlie-tca has all his computer clocks on 24 hour time
[18:22] <scott-work> i've been out for almost fifteen years now
[18:22] <charlie-tca> retired in 1992 after 20
[18:22] <scott-work> oh wow, i didn't do that
[18:22] <scott-work> i got out after two years and two broken bones in my left foot
[18:22] <scott-work> which kinda pissed me off
[18:22] <charlie-tca> ouch
[18:23] <charlie-tca> That would
[18:23] <scott-work> i was on track to make sargeant in just over two years
[18:23] <scott-work> shit, wrong
[18:23] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:23] <scott-work> lcpl in 2, i would have made sergeant in four 
[18:23] <charlie-tca> spellings were always a bear
[18:23] <charlie-tca> ah, yes
[18:24] <charlie-tca> Those were the days
[18:24] <scott-work> i got a promotion out of school for leadership which put me ahead
[18:24] <scott-work> i was mid/late twenties and everyone else was 18 :P
[18:24] <scott-work> charlie-tca: what did you do?
[18:25] <charlie-tca> bomb loader in the Air Force
[18:25] <scott-work> i was an Electrical Equipment Repair Specialist (EERS)
[18:25] <scott-work> oh, wow, that's a little interesting ;)
[18:26] <scott-work> i was trained to work on the electrical generating part of our generators but i usually ended up in the field with them or back in barracks busting rust, painting, changing filter
[18:27] <charlie-tca> We got involved in everything when we had to troubleshoot
[18:27] <scott-work> ya, good times, sometimes i really miss that because i never get to throw grenades or shoot large caliber weapons anymore
[18:27] <scott-work> ;)
[18:29] <charlie-tca> I never got to, unless you count watching the gun fire on an airplane
[18:34] <scott-work> i saw the range every year (although they were just starting to change it so if you qualified expert you would skip ever other year) but more inportantly...
[18:34] <scott-work> i went out LOADS of times with grunt to give them electricity and they did cool shit
[18:34] <scott-work> i got to shoot craps loads with them and throw grenades
[18:35] <scott-work> i could have hidden somewhere and avoid all of it by hanging by the generator but that's not me, you know ;)
[18:35] <scott-work> the funnest time i think was when i spent three months in south korea TAD'd with a comm unit
[18:36] <scott-work> they're were TOW guys there too, making plywood targets of Kim Il Jong and other guys, pretty hilarious and fun
[18:37] <charlie-tca> I bet it was
[18:47] <holstein> scott-work: did you get hooked up with skaet ?
[18:47] <holstein> she seems to me somewhat loose right now after a meeting *
[18:48] <scott-work> yes, she said she got chris jones to look at it this week
[18:48] <holstein> scott-work: OK :)
[18:48] <scott-work> it looks like it might only be me getting rights though
[18:48] <scott-work> i was hoping to have a similar situation like charlie-tca 
[18:48] <holstein> scott-work: thats good enough right?
[18:48] <scott-work> where i can grant rights as well
[19:17] <astraljava> scott-work: Missed it the last time? No worries, here it is again: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_UTC_and_GMT_time
[20:16] <scott-work> charlie-tca: is Guilliem the person you mentioned earlier who was testing the ubuntustudio image?
[20:20] <scott-work> hi hans, you're hans of jackpanel fame, are you not?
[20:22] <scott-work> oops, hansfbaier ^^^
[20:23] <hansfbaier> Yes
[20:23] <hansfbaier> Well, not much time for jackpanel development recently
[20:23] <hansfbaier> Still would need significant work, but my priorities shifted considerably since then
[20:23] <hansfbaier> new baby
[20:31] <scott-work> ooh, yes indeed!  i have three myself, well, not babies anymore though :)
[20:57] <hansfbaier> My third as well
[20:58] <hansfbaier> Most of my spare time is eaten by investing right now
[20:59] <hansfbaier> Being totally immersed in Open Source Development 2009 was fun, but it cost me a years worth of salary, because
[20:59] <hansfbaier> I totally neglected my investments
[20:59] <hansfbaier> :(