[00:30] charlie-tca: still around? [00:43] cool, just looking over the 4.10 release schedule, we can start upgrading P right after UDS [00:44] well, that is, if the release schedule holds [00:44] ochosi: well, they're keeping the scope small this time to make sure it does [00:45] * ochosi is keeping his fingers crossed [00:45] micahg: do you have any gtk3 apps to test something for me? [00:45] or maybe oneiric in a vbox? [00:45] * micahg checks [00:46] ochosi: anjuta in oneiric [00:47] micahg: i added a basic (hopefully working) gtk3 style to greybird today, would you mind giving it a quick spin? [00:49] as always, you can get the theme here: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird [00:53] ochosi: is there a PPA package [00:54] micahg: not yet, mr_pouit said he'd so some packaging for us later [00:54] ochosi: k [00:55] I'm a little busy at the moment though [00:55] k, nvm [00:55] i can ask people to test it tomorrow, there's still time till october ;) [00:55] i just did a first test and was eager to see whether it worked [01:31] ochosi: well, thank you for your work [01:31] np [01:32] i'll have to install oneiric in a vbox pretty soon anyway i guess. gtk3-demo is just not good enough... [01:57] ochosi: back again [01:58] ochosi: I would grab alpha1 as soon as we get it to work [01:59] We do not have a working image yet [01:59] k [02:00] After I restart and back up, I will upgrade to Oneiric myself. Then I should have a partly working system to test with [02:00] well, i got someone to test greybird-gtk3 for me, for now the menus and the scrollbars are done (and obviously most of the other colors) [02:00] still a lot of widgets will look crappy [02:00] of course. [02:00] and in the end i'm uncertain of whether to stick to the adwaita engine or use unico instead [02:01] ubuntu uses unico, gnome3 uses adwaita... [02:01] use unico then, keep us compatible with ubuntu. [02:01] Gnome3 will not be the default, will it? [02:02] errm, no that was maybe ambiguous. both gnome3 and ubuntu *can* use either engine. but supposedly gnome3's default theme mainly uses the adwaita engine whereas ubuntu possibly will use unico [02:02] i can even use both engines without a problem [02:02] but i'd prefer to just stick to one, it's most likely faster [02:03] As an Ubuntu derivative, we should always strive for the best compatibility with Ubuntu [02:04] anyhow, going to bed now [02:04] Have a good night [02:04] ty, you too [02:05] syncing again, we have a new image now [02:05] w00t! desktop images built too [03:05] Xubuntu 64 alternate image installs in VBox [03:50] images are out and working, at least alternate images work [03:50] testing desktop now [03:53] GridCube: time to download or zsync the images [03:53] :D [03:54] where is the .zsync file? [03:54] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ ¿¿ [03:55] micahg: firefox start page has an invalid certificate [03:55] yes [03:56] also http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current for alternate image zsync [03:57] micahg: don't know if we care this early, but I can file a bug if desired [03:57] oh i do have the alternate [03:57] They are working so far [03:58] I will run one install on each image before I call it a night [04:00] hm, I can't run the installer from the live desktop in oneiric 64bit desktop image [04:00] it doesn't exist [04:01] mr_pouit: ^ ^ ^ [04:01] ok charlie-tca i move to the folder where the ISO is at and i run zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/oneiric-alternate-i386.iso.zsync [04:01] yes [04:02] my iso is called: xubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso will that work? [04:02] or i have to remane te iso? [04:03] have to rename. It has to match the image you are syncing with [04:03] D:is downloading the whole file [04:04] ok renamed [04:04] that was silly of me [04:05] still no relevant [04:05] :( [04:05] is downloading the whole thing [04:06] might be. My sync started at 33%, so it is pretty close to a full download anyway [04:06] No relevent local data found - I will be downloading the whole file. If that's not what you want, CTRL-C out. You should specify the local file is the old version of the file to download with -i (you might have to decompress it with gzip -d first). Or perhaps you just have no data that helps download the file [04:06] downloading from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/oneiric-alternate-i386.iso: [04:06] yup [04:06] let it download, if you can [04:06] oh can't i just torrent it? [04:07] no, I don't think there are torrents for development releases [04:07] ok [04:07] :) [04:07] everyday you learn something [04:07] jigdo, zsync, rsync, full download [04:10] by the way, all images are oversize and do not fit on a CD [04:14] ok [04:14] i will install it on a vbox anyway [04:14] That works. I will run all the images on hardware tomorrow [04:15] :) [04:15] The goal is 5 tests each, so if we get two or three, that would be fantastic [04:15] i said to you that if you want i could install the x64 images too [04:15] I do run both [04:15] you can too [04:15] don't forget to sign up for the iso tracker... [04:15] how to? [04:16] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ [04:18] desktop installs are working from the cd menu [04:18] im downloading the alternate [04:19] Got to free some bandwidth to file a bug against the live cd [04:20] hitting 15kBps, for a high speed DSL connection [04:23] XD thats something i usually see sadly [04:23] oh man!! :( i forgot to call again to my ISP [04:23] how stupid can one be [04:23] gahg! i'm mad at myself now [04:23] depends on the person? [04:24] well i forget to do things i should be doing [04:24] micahg: verified the firefox no start page issue on 32bit alternate image installation [04:24] like calling my ISP and telling them my service is shit and they have to 1) charge me less 2) fix my service [04:24] charlie-tca, is there a way to rapidly fetch system info? [04:25] I tell qwest that monthly, but it doesn't do any good [04:25] what kind, like for your computer? [04:25] yes [04:25] never mind, when i installed lubuntu it installed something called system information [04:26] it can generate a txt file whit all the info [04:26] open a terminal, sudo lspci > lspci.txt [04:26] would that list ram and hard disks specs? [04:26] creates a text file in ~/ containing all the hardware info [04:26] should [04:26] trying [04:27] if not, run hwinfo [04:28] :D yes! that one would do it better! but this other one is far prettier, the gui tool i mean [04:29] but i wonder if this counts as too much information [04:29] XD [04:31] charlie-tca: wait, what's the issue? [04:32] start page fails for the certificate unknown [04:32] firefox in oneiric [04:33] I don't understand, there should be no cert on the start page [04:33] * micahg only sees alternate images [04:34] about:startpage fails to load; if I hit reload, I get a Secure Connection Failed [04:34] testpilot.mozillalabs.com:443 uses an invalid security certificate [04:35] Makes no sense to me [04:35] heh [04:36] the good news is that the live cd is working for us now [04:36] * micahg tries in a clean profile [04:37] fun, I get a 404 [04:37] Only missing the install icon in VBox, it is there in hardware [04:37] confirmed, this should probably be fixed [04:37] charlie-tca: can you file the bug and I'll milestone it? [04:37] Sure [04:37] charlie-tca: thanks [04:38] this probably affects Ubuntu as well [04:38] charlie-tca: it's 790469 [04:41] no point in me filing it then? [04:41] i do not appear as suscribed to the testing [04:41] GridCube: explain? [04:41] charlie-tca: nope [04:42] charlie-tca: you can add it to the ISO tracker though if you like :) [04:42] on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/5779 i clic [subscribe] then i go to and there is nothing there [04:42] if that's appropriate that is [04:42] adding [04:42] GridCube: no problem, it takes a few minutes/hours for that to happen [04:43] it will get there, given time. The servers are kind of weird [04:43] oh wait, i should check some boxes before subscribing? [04:43] XD i think i should [04:44] yes, you have to do that, too [04:44] lol [04:44] XD [04:44] sorry for being such a pain [04:44] Thanks, micahg [04:44] n [04:44] no problem [04:44] We all start somewhere [04:45] :D there now it appears [04:45] I have to file the missing installer bug from VBox, since it is not missing on hardware. [14:31] :D [14:31] installing alternate :D [14:32] GridCube: when you look at the iso tracker, the square to the left of a test is a testcase that can be used [14:33] For alpha1, our main concern is that it does actually install [15:24] mr_pouit, micahg : images are installing for both 32bit and 64bit, alternate and desktop [15:25] also upgrades worked [15:25] * charlie-tca knows they are greatly oversized, which should work out before alpha2 [15:26] I know a person that already switched (Upgraded) to 11.10 [15:27] Yes, there are always some will do that early. The problem is when it breaks and they do not know to wait for the fixes [15:27] breakage is always going to come, early in the cycle [15:28] The person wanted Gnome3 (Isn't using Xubuntu) [15:28] yeah, that isn't working well either yet [15:28] Ubuntu is working on upgrading to GTK3? [15:29] no [15:29] ubuntu is highly broken, but it doesn't matter, since people will insist on upgrading anyway [15:32] Sorry, I was thinking for Oneiric release, not Alpha [15:32] oh, yes. [15:32] Ubuntu will be using GTK3, as much as possible for Oneiric [15:33] I take it you will wait 'til next round? [15:34] for gtk3, yes, but for Oneiric, I will be upgrading a machine this weekend [15:35] Thank you for the info! [15:35] * charlie-tca enjoys fighting with broken stuff, so will upgrade his main machine first [15:35] Heh! [15:36] It is especially good when it goes down for 4-5 days [15:40] charlie-tca: Any use DL'ing images today? [15:41] yes [15:41] orly? [15:41] all images for xubuntu are oversized, but working [15:41] alternate and desktop, 32 and 64bit [15:42] fun and games :) [15:42] I been at it most of the night, I think [15:42] well, actually, only about 5 hours now [15:42] ewwww [15:43] Sleep is vastly overrated [15:43] heh, I test ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu for the milestone [15:43] got alpha1 due out tomorrow [15:44] Ok, DL'ing all images...because it's the first time, I'll test all 4 today. [15:44] great! [15:45] * drc wonders what else he has to do..oh yeah, mow the yard, weed, fun things such as that :( [15:45] me too. What a deal, huh? [15:46] I just have to run about 16 more tests, too [15:46] damn rain and sun makes all the silly green things grow [15:46] You testing all the *buntus? [15:47] no, just the three [15:47] I can't really get mythbuntu to work, since I have no tv card, and Studio and edubuntu are dvd's [15:48] charlie-tca: want to to grab studio and edu (my connection is faster)? and test them? [15:49] If yoiu [15:50] if you can. You can see here that there are only a couple of tests to do on them, but they are usually last because the dvd is so big to download - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ [15:51] OK, I'll start with them. [15:59] Is edubuntu based on xubuntu (I know studio is moving)? [15:59] no [15:59] based on Ubuntu [16:00] :D [16:00] came back [16:00] Work studio first, someone on the edubuntu team has a really fast setup and can test theirs in about 20 minutes per install [16:00] * GridCube wants to anounce that he was previously known as Soupermanito [16:01] :D i came back from the bank and oeniric had ended installing, now using the desktop [16:01] ok [16:01] i saw an error while first booting it said something like "udev non writable" or something like taht [16:02] * GridCube shighs, he should have taken a screenshot [16:02] yup, that is know [16:02] yup, that is known already. it is a udev/.udev thing [16:02] GridCube: It falls back to .udev. Confused me too at first :) [16:03] sign it off, it worked [16:03] \o/ yay! got the same error than whit 11.04 [16:03] opening thunar error! [16:03] you added networks to it? [16:04] no [16:04] just plain install [16:04] add that bug to the iso tracker then [16:04] its the very first time i ever open thunar [16:04] I don't get that bug, myself [16:04] i just double clic on the desktop icon :/ [16:05] Well, the DL speed is ok (1.3MB/sec) but the studio files size is so much larger:( [16:05] heh, yeah, I know [16:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/775117 [16:06] Ubuntu bug 775117 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar hangs on first launch of each session" [Low,Triaged] [16:06] this is the bug [16:06] how do i add it to the bug report automatically? [16:07] If edu is not based on X, why do you/we test them also (no offense intended, just wondering) [16:07] you just add it to the bug numbers on the tracker, and it will automatically tag the report itself [16:07] edubuntu is based on Ubuntu, and needs to be tested, so we test it [16:08] Works for me :) [16:08] We don't do it daily, but for the milestone testing [16:08] Are we doing studio milestones or daily? [16:09] milestones [16:09] That is for alpha1 [16:09] We just want to know it installs today [16:09] Did I confuse you yet? [16:09] nope, followed every word with rapt attention. [16:10] Edubuntu will be rebuilt. no point in testing it yet [16:10] ok, studio then X [16:10] yup [16:10] i clicked the update arrow and instead of the standard updating window it launched synaptic [16:10] You want both Studios (32 and 64) [16:10] yup [16:11] GridCube: really? [16:11] yes [16:11] it is early, but it should not do that. 11.04 did that too in testing [16:11] I think that is something will be fixed later [16:11] so its not important? [16:12] or should i report it? [16:12] I'm gointo to go fix a pot of tea, it' [16:12] not important yet [16:12] alpha2, yes [16:12] ok [16:12] ll take another 20 min to DL studio64 [16:19] i got the firefox error you where talking yesterday [16:20] expected [16:25] ff5 doesnt find flash on youtube [16:25] GridCube: most of those are expected this early [16:26] that sounds weird though, let me see if anyone else reported that [16:26] im installing it tru the software center [16:26] i guess its a firefox thing [16:27] micahg is checking. He is "the firefox person" [16:27] no, that's chrisccoulson :), I do handle the security updates though and have some familiarity with it :) [16:28] micahg is checking. He is "OUR firefox person" [16:28] heh [16:28] :-) [16:28] :D [16:28] hm, three installs and syncing images might be too much for internet :-( [16:29] GridCube: which flash player do you have installed? [16:29] hmmm...I can see having a separate machine for testing would be a good thing. [16:30] drc: VMs work fine for most things, occassionally you'll find diferent bugs in them [16:31] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/5790 says the manual partition test has been done (once only). I'm going to go to the 32 bit, that hasn't been done yet [16:31] micahg: Have never worked with VM's (scared really, but don't tell anyone) [16:32] okay [16:33] drc: testdrive makes it easy :) [16:33] * drc wonders where the studio-types that were here yesterday are? [16:33] micahg: testdrive? [16:33] oh i like the sound thingy, i dont have that on 10.04 :D [16:34] drc: yeah, it's an app that can sync ISOs and run them in a VM for you without you having to do the setup [16:34] Got a URL? [16:34] drc: it's in software center :) [16:35] working, drc [16:35] Something useful in SC? Really? [16:35] :( why if i double clic an mp3 it say you dont have the complements to play this media, and that i need to install those complements, and i don't have "install complements" [button]? [16:36] charlie-tca: Work? Oh yeah, that. [16:36] Xubuntu doesn't use that kind of h [16:36] thing to make your life as a user easier [16:36] hahaha [16:36] XD [16:37] it used to back in the day [16:37] D: the software center has freezed [16:37] that's because software center is broken [16:37] oh [16:37] not reporting that then= [16:37] ? [16:38] right [16:38] mostly want to know you got it to install, reboot, and login, reboot, login [16:39] micahg: You really recommend testdrive ? [16:39] almost everything else can be broken at this time [16:40] drc: for someone who is afraid of VMs, yes, for someone who likes more control, I would suggest taking the time to set stuff up :) [16:40] drc: the new version in natty really does a nice job of syncing the ISOs and setting up the VMs [16:40] Yes, test drive is good for beginning VM users. [16:40] oh [16:40] For me, I got too many VBox machines to use it. [16:41] i killed the virtual machine D: [16:41] The "scared" part was really a euphanism for "lazy" [16:41] charlie-tca: you might want to look into kvm/libvirt [16:42] I can't make kvm work. I have tried, but it really confuses things for me [16:43] back in a little bit, gotta take a break [16:43] charlie-tca: there's an app cpu-checker that will tell you if you can run kvm/libvirt well on your machine [16:43] charlie-tca: the security team has tools to make managing the VMs easier [16:44] I can't seem to make it work in my head [16:44] http://pastebin.com/EWbss6tQ Good enough to run testing in testdrive? (the 2 gig RAM will probably be 3 or 4 gig in July, depending on how much the youngest daughter loves me:) [16:44] but I got about 60 VBox machines set up [16:44] sure, you only need to give the vm about 512 MB ram [16:44] drc: yeah, default is 384 or 512 MB RAM w/5GB disk space I think [16:45] Ok, after today's testing, I'll look into it. [16:50] http://imagebin.org/156307 this is because i haven't installed the video drivers correct? [16:55] mmm [16:55] i don't know if whats happening is just me being ignorant or an error [16:55] if i go to "hibernate" ont the exit menu, it shows a screensaver for like 30 seconds and then it closes the vm [16:59] 1) I don't know anything about VM's or 2) use hibernate, but iitc, hibernate writes RAM to disk and then shuts down. Wouldn't that naturally kill a VM session ? [16:59] thats what im kinda asking [17:01] Why would you hibernate a VM? [17:02] you still have to hibernate the main system [17:03] charlie-tca: Because it's part of the Long Test and he's using a VM to test? [17:04] hibernate and suspend will usually fail in a VBox session, because it doesn't have the ability to use the hardware for it [17:04] then he has to skip that. Most of that test will fail because it is too early in the cycle. [17:04] hibernate will almost always fail in a VM [17:05] ok [17:05] :) [17:05] learning [17:05] GridCube: again, for alpha1, installed, restarted, logout/restart, logged in, shutdown [17:05] passed [17:05] :D [17:05] several times [17:05] the rest does not count for this alpha1, because it just doesn't work yet [17:06] :D [17:06] ok [17:06] so thats it? [17:06] * drc hopes that charlie-tca will remember that GridCube and he are newbies at *buntu testing :) [17:06] that was an easy testing test [17:06] * GridCube hughs charlie-tca in a manly way [17:07] Please update the iso tracker with your tests [17:07] yes [17:07] the two bugs counted, the thunar bug and the firefox thing [17:07] and i check pased? [17:07] yup, remembered. That's why I keep repeating the pertitent tests for alpha1 [17:07] for alpha1, installed, restarted, logout/restart, logged in, shutdown [17:08] did that [17:08] lots of times :D [17:08] drc: for UbuntuStudio, the square icon to the left of the test gives the test case to use [17:09] do i add a comment? [17:09] like the flash on firefox thing? [17:15] micahg: is the no flash valid? [17:20] i asked to add it on a comment because its not that flash didnt worked, it did,but from the installer from softwarecenter [17:20] yes, that is a bug [17:27] ok, does it have a number? or i just comment about it? [17:28] won't have a number unless you file it, ubuntu-bug software-center [17:29] another thing, because im hardcore like that and i like to brake stuff, you see i choosed to start an xfce session, and then a xubuntu session, and then the color of bars and stuff changed [17:31] expected too [18:06] charlie-tca: sorry, was afk, checking [18:07] no problem [18:07] * micahg never got an answer on which flash player [18:07] GridCube: ^^ [18:07] GridCube: which flash player? micahg needs to know [18:12] Well, Studio32 installs *as long as you dont try to use the Software Selection to add anything [18:12] oh yes [18:12] That's okay [18:12] ah the adobe one? [18:12] mark the tracker for it [18:13] It tried to use GNOME3 (but no drivers) [18:13] i kinda reinstalled everything on the virtual machine to test dualboot [18:13] charlie-tca: Got a URL for me, I'm still in Studio [18:13] yup, that will change as soon as we give them a go ahead [18:14] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/5791 [18:14] thanks [18:14] Thank you [18:16] charlie-tca: Do I need to create a new QAaccount or will the launchpad one work? [18:17] new, I think [18:17] I created mine about three years ago, before it was tied to launchpad. [18:34] bah [18:36] I'll post the Studio32Manual results as soon as my new password comes in the mail:( [18:37] charlie-tca: Which (manual partition) test you want me to do now? [18:40] Or live session...doesn't matter [18:41] :) doing an auto rezise testing installation, dual boot 11.10t 11.10t XD [18:41] well if consistency counts as anything i once more got the same thunar error [18:41] XD [18:42] He's busy...I'll do http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5787/132 [18:43] :D and once more clicking the update arrow brings synaptic up [18:48] OK, something screwy with my QA login/password (but I'll worry about that later). Can someone go in to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/5791/224 and report that it installs, reboots, logsin, reboots, logsin (as long as Selected Software is not used, for me (so someone else doesn't waste time testing this once only test) [18:48] charlie-tca: do you have a working instance of xubuntu oneiric in virtualbox already? [18:49] or anyone else in here? [18:50] drc [18:50] hes gone [18:50] sup ochosi [18:50] :| [18:50] i am installing alternate on vbox [18:50]