[00:10] <claydoh> Wow kmail2 rc sure seems quite nice actually (so far) - many thank to the neon folks for making it safe to test
[03:37] <maco> charlie-tca: around?
[03:37] <charlie-tca> yup
[03:38] <maco> JontheEchidna: ping
[03:38] <JontheEchidna> pong
[03:40] <maco> i was going to ask how to test it after applying patch
[03:40] <maco> since there's no try/install option once you get to a point where you can test
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> I think the crash occurs while starting ubiquity from the desktop too
[03:44] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu 64 alternate OEM install, does not shutdown after running "prepare for shipping to end user"
[03:47] <charlie-tca> The OEM install did work, I shut down with the power button. 
[03:47] <charlie-tca> MInor inconvenience at best
[03:50] <charlie-tca> maco: don't hate me... 
[03:50] <maco> that doesnt need to be alpha 1
[03:50] <charlie-tca> OEM install, user configuration fails with the same error as the live cd install
[03:50] <charlie-tca> Thank you!
[03:50] <maco> the keyboard thing.... slangasek and i are both stuck
[03:51] <maco> it looks like a xkb-data change (he says) that is breaking backend stuff
[03:51] <charlie-tca> Then the mandatory tests are done for the alternate cd's
[03:51] <charlie-tca> I have to stop for the night, my eyes are blurred
[04:34] <LaserJock> ScottK: so I tried to build Debian's kdemultimedia but in my oneiric pbuilder it has some sort of odd dependency problem. I thinks it needs libasound2-dev but it doesn't install it
[04:34] <LaserJock> should I give up on trying to get the Debian version building and just start doing the actual merge?
[04:55] <ScottK> LaserJock: Seems reasonable.  That does seem like an odd problem.
[05:02] <LaserJock> ScottK: yeah, I've not seen that before
[05:03] <LaserJock> normally it's a dep that fails to install, in this case it didn't think it needed to install it in the beginning of the run and then later failed because it wasn't installed
[05:04] <ScottK> You might try switching to a different pbuilder depenency resolver.
[05:05] <ScottK> IIRC you can do this in /etc/pbuilderrc
[05:06] <LaserJock> oh
[05:06] <LaserJock> ok, I'll look at that
[05:06] <LaserJock> so does kdemultimedia have to be done by tomorrow?
[05:08] <ScottK> Have to, no.
[05:09] <ScottK> We can't upload until after the Alpha 1 release so there's no need to worry about tonight at all.
[05:10] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[05:10] <LaserJock> I just didn't want to be blocking anything
[05:12] <ScottK> The only kdemultimedia rdepend in Main is amarok which I don't think needs to be uploaded soon.
[05:30] <micahg> ScottK: there's k3b also
[05:30] <ScottK> Ah.  Forgot about that one.
[05:38] <JontheEchidna> as long as things are installable we're ok for now
[05:38] <ScottK> Yep.
[05:48] <ScottK> It's just as well I'm not an IRC op.  I'd get in way to much trouble for kicking people.
[05:49] <ScottK> Dude: I need help with foo.
[05:49]  * ScottK : This isn't a support channel for foo.
[05:49] <ScottK> Dude: I know, but I thought ...
[05:49] <ScottK> Kick.
[05:50] <ScottK> Reason: "Dude: I know your mom told you that you are special.  You aren't.  The rules apply to you to."
[05:52] <LaserJock> Dude: I need help with merging
[05:53] <LaserJock> what do you do with the VCS data in debian/control? replace the debian git stuff with kubuntu's bzr?
[05:58] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:05] <maco> you used to let me ask support questions here because you figured you could rope me into fixing stuff once i started hitting things that were bugs-not-user-error
[06:06] <ScottK> I'm generally more flexible with people who are involved in the project.
[06:07] <ScottK> I'm also much less tolerant of #ubuntu questions in #ubuntu-server 'because no one in #ubuntu could answer it'.
[06:07] <ScottK> Heck I ask support questions in development channels sometimes, so I'd be hypocritical not to.
[06:07] <LaserJock> ScottK: am I meant to put my name on the merges.ubuntu.com for kdemultimedia?
[06:08] <ScottK> LaserJock: Yes.  Please.
[06:08] <LaserJock> I just realized it was editable :-)
[06:09] <LaserJock> being old and rusty sucks
[06:10] <ScottK> Someone had to point it out to me too.
[06:10] <maco> ditto
[06:11] <maco> does it still look like solid bg with no text field?
[06:13] <LaserJock> yes
[06:13] <LaserJock> and on my netbook I had to scroll over to even see that there was a column there
[06:16] <maco> this VM is like the Little Engine That Could
[06:16] <ScottK> I hope that's good.
[06:16] <maco> im waiting for it to try to load the kbd page so i can see if i get stacktraces for non-france things
[06:17] <maco> ScottK: super slowly chugging along
[06:17] <maco> ScottK: it fails on u'USA' too
[06:17] <maco> you dont even get to *choosing* a layout
[06:17] <ScottK> Lovely.
[06:17] <maco> it does teh "try to guess a layout based on lang and timezone" thing and crashes
[06:17] <ScottK> Any backtrace?
[06:18] <maco> because the xkb names are all changed around
[06:18] <maco> same as jibel's was, but with u'USA' instead of u'France'
[06:18] <ScottK> Can you disable the guessing for Kubuntu?
[06:18] <maco> there's a thought
[06:18] <ScottK> Hacks 'R Us.
[06:18] <maco> well wait
[06:18] <maco> then itd just fail when they *do* make kbd selection
[06:19] <maco> i think
[06:19] <ScottK> Are your sure?
[06:19] <maco> it's set_keyboard() thats failing
[06:19] <ScottK> I'd whack it out with a hatchet and see.
[06:19] <ScottK> Is the call the same for the guess and for the picking?
[06:20] <maco> calculate_result() makes a call to set_keyboard() which fails
[06:22] <ScottK> And this is a different design that is used in Ubuntu?
[06:22] <ScottK> Can you make ours work like Ubuntu's?
[06:22] <maco> argh. i hate new ubiquity. it starts installing BEFORE i finish making choices
[06:23] <maco> now i have to wait for the stupid thing to finish installing then convince virtualbox to boot from a cd again before i can go back through ubiquity
[06:23] <maco> oh wait except it's crashed!
[06:23] <maco> ha i dont have to wait for it to finish
[06:23] <ScottK> Hooray
[06:38] <ScottK> OK.  I'm officially too tired.  Good luck.  Please ping slangasek for sponsorship if you get it sorted.
[06:40] <maco> ok
[07:17] <maco> ScottK: if i comment the ones that use the deb.get(question) then it just fails elsewhere in kde_components/Keyboard.py
[08:41] <yofel> morning
[09:09] <pnh_> hello everyone. I was trying to setup kde development environment in my new kubuntu 11.04 machine. I did compile everything in fedora successfully but here i'm getting some problem with kde-runtime.Please someone help regarding this problem. 
[09:12] <yofel> kde-runtime builds fine in project neon, so what's the problem? (and don't use away nicks please)
[09:15] <pnh_> yofel:This is my problem:  http://paste.kde.org/77305/
[09:16] <yofel> you obviously didn't point it to your new build of kdelibs
[09:16] <pnh_> but I have latest version of kdelibs !!!
[09:18] <padams> moin moin
[09:18] <pnh_> soprano is also giving some error : http://paste.kde.org/77317/
[09:18] <yofel> pnh_: built maybe, but your CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH doesn't point to it
[09:19] <yofel> pnh_: soprano needs libx11-dev installed
[09:19] <yofel> pnh_: did you follow http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Environment#Sample_.build-config_file ?
[09:20] <yofel> pnh_: did you follow http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Environment
[09:20] <pnh_> sudo apt-get install  libx11-dev says libx11-dev is already the newest version. Yeah I did follow all steps in techbase
[09:21] <pnh_> I could able to build kdelibs without any problem
[09:22] <yofel> odd, that should be a missing libx11-dev, and did you install kdelibs?
[09:22] <pnh_> libx11-dev is already installed . yeah. I did install kdelibs without any problem !
[09:24] <pnh_> I compiled attica,strigi phonon etc without any problem
[09:24] <yofel> what does 'echo $CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH' say?
[09:24] <pnh_> pnh@my-kde:~/kde/src/strigi$ echo $CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH
[09:24] <pnh_> /home/pnh/kde/inst/master:/home/pnh/kde/inst/master:
[09:25] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas, either wait fos someone else or ask in #kde-devel
[09:25] <pnh_> okay.I'll try at kde-devel. Thanks btw :)
[09:34] <Riddell> neon dudes: how do recipies build for multiple distro releases?
[09:34] <Riddell> e.g. https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/kdeadmin uses  lp:~neon/project-neon/kdeadmin-ubuntu which has a debain/changelog for maverick
[09:34] <Riddell> but it builds on natty too
[09:34] <Riddell> does the daily build just add its own changelog entry?
[10:24] <yofel> Riddell: it adds it's own changelog entry and then completely ignores it
[10:24] <yofel> the package version is defined on the recipe page, not the changelog, and you sometimes see maverick entries that build for natty and so on
[10:26] <yofel> correction: it adds it's own changelog entry with the proper package version ignoring what you defined in the branch
[10:30] <yofel> Riddell: the recipes essentially just run bzr dailydeb on the recipe text with a default set of parameters
[10:48] <debfx> didrocks: how did the patchless qt build go?
[10:52] <didrocks> debfx: I built it yesterday, but I'm on another thing, so didn't install yet. Will get to it today and keep you posted
[10:53] <didrocks> if it works, then, a dicho will be need to find the guilty patch
[10:58] <debfx> ok, finding a faulty patch in qt sounds like fun ;)
[10:58] <yofel> Riddell: btw. I don't want to be annoying, but it would be nice if *something* could be done about bzr's memory usage. It makes it somewhat hard to work like this :/ https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-kde-workspace
[11:04] <didrocks> debfx: not sure we have the same definitino of "fun" :-)
[11:04] <didrocks> definition*
[11:09] <debfx> didrocks: disabling kubuntu_17_enable_qtwebkit_for_qtassistant.diff should cut a good part of the build time
[11:10] <debfx> and I'm 90% sure that the package build still works :)
[11:14] <didrocks> debfx: thanks for the tip! webkit is the major part of the qt build and we build it for kubuntu (but debian doesn't)?
[11:16] <debfx> didrocks: the qtwebkit lib that is actually used is build from the qtwebkit-source (Debian calls it qtwebkit) source package
[11:18] <debfx> didrocks: we only build qtwebkit in qt4-x11 because qt assistant needs to link against it but we don't want to introduce a qt4-x11 <-> qtwebkit-source build-dependency loop
[11:18] <didrocks> debfx: ok, but qtassistant needs it for its internal browser support I guess, hence the build in qt itself?
[11:18] <didrocks> debfx: ok, make sense :)
[11:19] <didrocks> thanks for the explanation
[11:19] <debfx> Debian doesn't build webkit in qt so their assistant is basically broken
[11:19] <didrocks> yeah, I can barely imagine qt assistant without webkit
[11:24] <Riddell> yofel: yes, I'll bring it up with the team
[11:24] <didrocks> debfx: still segfaulting with all debian cherry picks removed
[11:38] <debfx> didrocks: uh, I don't see what else from the merge could cause that
[11:39] <debfx> didrocks: on a maybe unrelated note: upstream says kubuntu_92_qml_memory_leak.diff is a dangerous patch
[11:40] <didrocks> debfx: I tried 10 minutes to disable it. Now, hammering the laptop again :-)
[11:40] <didrocks> hoping that it will be better with webkit disabled
[14:09] <Quintasan> \o
[15:04] <didrocks> debfx: still segfaulting without it
[15:04] <didrocks> debfx: we didn't have .3 before the merge right? but for you, the changes in .3 are minimal, right?
[15:20] <ScottK> Quintasan and yofel: I hyped Project Neon in the Alpha 1 release notes.
[15:30] <ScottK> randalogger: How's the snow?
[15:30] <randalogger> no snow no more
[15:31] <randalogger> I think it all was one big scam
[15:31] <yofel> \o/
[16:00] <shadeslayer> hey all
[16:00] <shadeslayer> randalogger: but it was all white on planetkde
[16:01] <shadeslayer> no signs of blue :(
[16:01] <shadeslayer> yofel: kdeedu is in bzr right?
[16:08] <yofel> huh? you were doing kdeedu
[16:08] <yofel> if you mean our 4.6.3 then yes, that's in bzr
[16:12] <maco> ScottK, JontheEchidna, charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/791883 bug filed
[16:17] <ScottK> maco: Thanks.
[16:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: right, and i don't need to merge it now right?
[16:24] <yofel> well, if you don't we don't have kdeedu in oneiriic
[16:24] <yofel> *oneiric
[16:24] <charlie-tca> maco: thanks
[16:25] <ScottK> maco: I targeted them to oneiric so they'll show up on the release team hot list.
[16:25] <maco> i wouldve thought the oneiric-alpha-2 milestone would make them show "hotter" since thats sooner
[16:30] <ScottK> It has to be both "also affects distribution" oneiric and high/critical to hit the release team "we're going to track this" threshold.
[16:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: okay working on it
[16:30] <ScottK> The milestone on Alpha 2 then puts it on the "We'll track this for Alpha 2" list.
[16:44] <maco> ScottK: is the release team's Wall of Eek publicly viewable?
[16:44] <ScottK> There's a LP query you can use to get it.
[16:44] <ScottK> I don't recall what it is.
[16:45] <ScottK> Loosly it's High/Critical and nominated for the development release.
[16:45] <ScottK> Then for each milestone limit to bugs milestoned for event.
[16:46] <maco> oh. so its just a saved link to a search. ok
[16:46] <maco> um
[16:47] <maco> advanced search doesnt appear to have an option for what distribution its targeted against
[16:47] <yofel> you go to ubuntu/<release>/ and then search there
[16:47] <maco> ! put ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[16:47] <maco> erm i tried to type "oh!" but i guess not
[16:48] <maco> lp: easier to use by memorising url patterns than my using the UI
[16:48] <charlie-tca> hm, I got this for all bugs in Oneiric so far - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?assignee_option=any&field.affects_me.used=&field.assignee=&field.bug_commenter=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.component-empty-marker=1&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_branches=on
[16:48] <charlie-tca> &field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_package.used=&field.has_patch.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.searchtext=&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status_upstream-empty-marker=1&field.subscriber=&field.t
[16:48] <charlie-tca> ag=oneiric&field.tags_combinator=ANY&orderby=-datecreated&search=Search&start=0
[16:48] <charlie-tca> fail
[16:48] <maco> so, hihgh/critical for oneiric shows 223 bugs
[16:49] <yofel> most funny is the UI for the neon team, for some missing we're missing some of the UI buttons (like delete package in the PPA) so we *need* to know the URLs to get anywhere
[16:49] <maco> i suspect that could be stripped down to just the necessary bits
[16:52] <maco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.importance%3Alist=HIGH
[16:53] <maco> hm can even remove "field.searchtext=&"
[16:55] <maco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.importance%3Alist=CRITICAL&field.importance%3Alist=HIGH&field.milestone%3Alist=39141 and here's alpha 2
[16:55] <maco> mostly ftbfs
[16:55] <shadeslayer> maco: ftbfs of packages?
[16:56] <shadeslayer> wait ... that came out all wrong
[16:56] <shadeslayer> FTBFS of kde packages?
[16:57] <maco> no
[16:57] <shadeslayer> ah okay
[16:57] <maco> there are 167 bugs targeted to alpha 2 for all of ubuntu. i think 164 are ftbfs
[17:05] <ScottK> We had a long discussion yesterday about how pointless the FTBFS bugs are.
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: whats this i hear about Austria being the new australia?
[17:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: They are pretty much the same thing.  Only two letters differently.
[17:10] <yofel> wth does austria have in common with australia o.O?
[17:11] <ScottK> Well, neither of them are where jussi lives.
[17:12] <yofel> ^^
[17:33] <debfx> didrocks: we didn't have .3 before the merge
[17:34] <didrocks> debfx: so maybe the regression come from there (I'm rebuilding with more patches removed)
[17:34] <debfx> didrocks: I've just rebuilt qt from natty in oneiric and unity-2d-places still crashes
[17:35] <ScottK> ENOTOURFAULT
[17:35] <debfx> didrocks: so it's definitely caused by changes in the toolchain
[17:35] <didrocks> debfx: oh? weird, because last week, it was working pretty well
[17:36] <didrocks> I don't think the toolchain changed since
[17:36] <ScottK> didrocks: Qt hadn't been built on the oneiric toolchain last week.
[17:36] <didrocks> oh right, seeing that it was just a copy from natty
[17:36] <didrocks> ok then, more fun to debug :-)
[17:36] <didrocks> I'll try to focus on that next week, no worry (tomorrow is off for me, and I try to finish some tasks on oneconf today)
[17:37] <didrocks> debfx: thanks for trying the rebuilld :)
[17:37] <didrocks> rebuild*
[17:38] <debfx> so my initial guess of blaming gcc 4.6 wasn't that wrong after all ;)
[17:39] <didrocks> yeah :-) I would have prefer a patch to be guilty TBH :-)
[17:39] <ScottK> didrocks: You could force it to build on gcc-4.5 on oneiric to try and narrow it to the compiler or maybe something else.
[17:40] <didrocks> ScottK: nice idea, at least, we will be certain it's the cause, let's make a try in my ppa
[17:41] <ScottK> There are other toolchain packages that could affect things, so it's a good step.
[17:43] <LaserJock> ScottK: so I think I found what happened with the kdemultimedia deps. it went from libasound2-dev [!kfreebsd-i386,etc.] to libasound2-dev [linux-any]
[17:44] <LaserJock> so is [linux-any] recognized in Ubuntu?
[17:44] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:44] <ScottK> It's recognized in soyuz
[17:44] <shadeslayer> LaserJock: in the oneiric pbuilder
[17:44] <ScottK> So we ought to backport pbuilder
[17:44] <shadeslayer> the natty pbuilder doesn't support it afail
[17:44] <shadeslayer> *afaik
[17:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: that would be the ideal case
[17:45] <debfx> ScottK: actually we ought to SRU pbuilder
[17:45] <LaserJock> this early on most people will be using natty I'd think
[17:45] <ScottK> Someone should file a bug against natty-backports, test it and give me a ping so I can approve.
[17:45] <ScottK> debfx: Perhaps.  I don't know what other changes are in the oneiric one.
[17:46] <shadeslayer> debfx: maybe we could just have a patch against linux-any instead of a complete new release? 
[17:46]  * ScottK thinks a backport would be way less work.
[17:46] <ScottK> Since we have not-automatic in backports now it's safe to have enabled.
[17:48] <debfx> 0.199+nmu2 has: Handle architecture wildcards properly.
[17:51] <micahg> ScottK: not-automatic is enabled in natty?
[17:52] <ScottK> micahg: Yes.
[17:52] <micahg> cool
[17:58] <bambee> evening
[17:59] <bambee> arff fuc**** report o_O (I am writing a report for my internship, I have a LOT of things to do...)  :'(
[18:00] <bambee> fortunately latex is my friend :D
[18:02] <shadeslayer> have to learn latex at some point of time 
[18:02] <shadeslayer> i hear it's awesome
[18:02] <yofel> it is, I don't know it very well either though yet :/
[18:04] <bambee> shadeslayer: http://www.labri.fr/perso/mazoit/index.php/En/Calendrier <-- a calandar built with latex :P
[18:08] <LaserJock> latex is great for books and papers, can be pretty cool for presentations
[18:09] <LaserJock> great with equations
[18:09] <LaserJock> but for simple stuff I'd rather just use a regular word processor since Latex formats things for you, which is not always what you want :-)
[18:44] <shadeslayer> well ... we had bug 683439 but debian does not seem to have kalgebra-common, do i keep it?
[18:44] <shadeslayer> they do have a seprate mobile package tho
[18:52] <debfx> ScottK: bug #791940 if you want to sponsor the pbuilder fix
[19:04] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:05] <shadeslayer> hey _Groo_
[19:05] <_Groo_> could anyone help me out to isolate a bug
[19:05] <_Groo_> anyone running 64bits (k)ubuntu pls try to install acroread from the partners repo
[19:06] <_Groo_> it should fail in nspluginwrapper
[19:06] <_Groo_> which is a hard dependency of acroread
[19:06] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: afaik nspluginwrapper is foobared in natty
[19:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: prolly but it should at least install cleanly, which doesnt
[19:07] <_Groo_> it breaks at apt lvl
[19:07] <shadeslayer> yes, i think i filed a bug against it
[19:07] <shadeslayer> lemme look
[19:08] <shadeslayer> bug 141613
[19:08] <_Groo_> yep thats the one
[19:08] <_Groo_> is it because we are using 64 bits flash?
[19:09] <_Groo_> and the two collide?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> i filed bug 694137
[19:12] <_Groo_> i dont have gcu-plugin installed
[19:13] <_Groo_> im just gonna get the package source and ripout the wrapper dependencie.. i use the 64 bits anyway
[19:13] <shadeslayer> i just copied the flash so into my ~/.mozilla/plugins folder ... no packages required
[19:16] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: yeah i know, but does it fix the nspluginwrapper bug?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> nope
[19:23] <ScottK> debfx: Looking
[19:26] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: done... just replaced the dependency for flashplugin64 and rebuild the package
[19:27] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: heh ... kool :D
[19:28] <_Groo_> easier then doing a bunch of loops just to keep apt happy
[19:28] <_Groo_> this way, next update if it fixes it, ill receive.. if not, ill fix again
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> agateau: ping
[20:05] <randalogger> ScottK: is it late yet?
[20:08] <ScottK> randalogger: Definitely not.
[20:08] <randalogger> og
[20:09] <ScottK> debfx: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Ubuntu.
[20:33] <debfx> ScottK: thank you too
[20:35] <ScottK> LaserJock: Your pbuilder fix has been accepted into natty-proposed.  Once it's built, please test and then comment in bug #791940
[20:35] <LaserJock> ScottK: ok
[20:36] <ScottK> debfx and JontheEchidna: Time to start uploading again ....
[20:40]  * ScottK is now stuck reviewing 200MB of engineering drawings.
[20:40] <ScottK> Comments are due tomorrow and I got the drawings today.
[20:41] <LaserJock> yikes
[20:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: 
[20:43] <Quintasan> DUH
[20:43] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks.
[20:43] <micahg> is it worth filing the akregator doesn't use the global menu bug in LP?
[20:44] <ScottK> micahg: No.
[20:44] <ScottK> micahg: If you want to solve that, talk nicely to agateau and see if he'll write a patch.
[20:45] <micahg> ScottK: k, thanks
[20:45] <ScottK> It should be acceptable upstream.
[20:45] <ScottK> So we'd just carry it as a distro patch for oneiric and see it upstream for 'p'.
[20:53] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: Does someone normally add our meetings to the 'fridge' so that it shows up on the calander? http://www.ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/
[20:53] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: No idea.
[20:54] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: So we have not done that in the past?
[20:54] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: No idea.
[20:54] <ScottK> (you may sense a patter developing)
[20:54] <ScottK> patter/pattern
[20:54] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:55] <ScottK> Someone got them sched in #ubuntu-meeting, but no idea beyond that.
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> Okay.
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> I'll figure that out.
[20:55] <DarkwingDuck> and send out the email.
[21:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i hear Engineering Drawings ... what are they about? :D
[21:02] <LaserJock> ScottK: tested pbuilder fix and commented, thanks
[21:13] <vorian> bug 781310
[21:16] <Quintasan> http://identi.ca/notice/75198835
[21:16] <Quintasan> repost/dent whatever you call it?
[21:17] <vorian> Quintasan: all of us?  :P
[21:17] <Quintasan> all of you
[21:18] <Quintasan> vorian: microblogging and bloggin are apparently main points for Community this cycle :P
[21:18] <vorian> i see :)
[21:18] <vorian> I'll have to get better at posting
[21:18] <yofel> hey, we have other use cases too!
[21:18] <yofel> like...
[21:18] <yofel> well...
[21:18] <yofel> other things
[21:21] <Quintasan> lol
[21:21] <Quintasan> You don't sound convincing at all yofel
[21:21] <yofel> :P
[21:26] <ScottK> shadeslayer: $WORK.
[21:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: right .... i did engineering drawings in my second sem ... was just curious ;)
[21:27] <vorian> how do you uupdate again.. (update -v blah ../stuff.tar.bz2) ?
[21:28] <shadeslayer> vorian: update what? 
[21:28] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:28] <vorian> palsma widget smooth tasks 
[21:29]  * shadeslayer has never used uupdate
[21:29] <vorian> figured it out
[21:29] <vorian> <3 uupdate
[21:29] <shadeslayer> looks cool :D
[21:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: In this case it's a building we're going to install a bunch of stuff in after it's built, so we have to make sure the building meets all the system requirements.
[21:31] <shadeslayer> ah .. 
[21:34] <shadeslayer> i just did stuff like draw rectangles and circles using a drafter ... i miss my drafter ... :P
[21:46] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh god, sound like fun, good luck
[21:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yeah, its horrible work, we had to make stuff like this : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zv8axZ_uoT8/TGkepLByBBI/AAAAAAAAAII/Uc_jmVxB7Lw/s1600/engineering_drawing.jpg
[21:47] <shadeslayer> and thats one of the easy drawings
[21:48]  * shadeslayer shudders
[21:52] <shadeslayer> oh good lord
[21:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: something is wrong with your thinkpad
[21:52] <yofel> nothing is wrong, it's just building Qt, finished in a few
[21:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: uh ... no .. .something is wrong with firefox on your thinkpad
[21:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://i.imgur.com/iMVbw.png
[21:54] <yofel> O_O
[21:56] <yofel> shadeslayer: and how is that on my thinkpad?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> uh what?
[21:57] <shadeslayer> hm
[21:57] <shadeslayer> bleh
[21:57] <yofel> the R61 doesn't even have firefox installed
[21:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: i ran htop on my local machine xD
[21:57]  * yofel figured as much
[21:58] <shadeslayer> i pressed ctrl+shift+n instead of Ctrl+a+Ctrl+c
[21:58]  * shadeslayer can't even figure out how that happened
[21:58] <yofel> heh
[21:58] <ScottK> yofel: shadeslayer is probably confused by too much  complaining about exams.
[21:58] <yofel> hahaha
[21:58] <shadeslayer> @_@
[21:58] <shadeslayer> only 2 more to go
[21:58] <shadeslayer> and then i shall be freeeeeee
[21:59] <Quintasan> lol
[21:59]  * Quintasan has still three left
[21:59] <Quintasan> no, 4 even
[21:59] <shadeslayer> i would have one left ... but i failed in a exam last sem xD
[21:59] <Quintasan> and 5 if that old man decides to have us write a test
[21:59] <shadeslayer> so have to clear it this semester
[21:59] <Quintasan> god damn it
[21:59] <Quintasan> Physics tomorrow
[22:00] <shadeslayer> <3 Physics
[22:00] <Quintasan> and I don't the whole stuff
[22:00] <shadeslayer> atleast it was doable
[22:00] <Quintasan> history and chemistry and another one from history
[22:00] <Quintasan> and one more from geography
[22:01] <Quintasan> FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i know the feeling ... all i've done in the past 6 months is give exam .... :'(
[22:02] <vorian> i didn't think they taught that anymore
[22:02] <shadeslayer> s/exam/exams
[22:05] <Quintasan> vorian: Taught what?
[22:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Geography
[22:06] <vorian> no the FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[22:06] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:06] <shadeslayer> you mean f7u12 :P
[22:06] <vorian> JontheEchidna: bug fixored :)
[22:06] <Quintasan> vorian: Well, all these tests make me RAAAAGE
[22:06] <vorian> I can see that
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> cool!
[22:07] <vorian> thanks, reminded me of a few things i once forgot
[22:10] <shadeslayer> debfx: around?
[22:11] <debfx> shadeslayer: yep
[22:11] <shadeslayer> debfx: okay so in kdeedu debian/rules, we figure out if the arch is ARM or not and accordingly add : DEB_CMAKE_CUSTOM_FLAGS += -DWITH_OpenGL=OFF
[22:12] <shadeslayer> now i want to do it inside override_dh_auto_configure, so i would have to write the entire overridden command again?
[22:12] <shadeslayer> if(arch is arm) overridden command else other overridden command
[22:13] <debfx> yes, or you use a variable that contains all config fals
[22:13] <debfx> *flags
[22:14] <shadeslayer> okay
[22:15] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You mean even with all your "Oh, no, I can't do $STUFF due to exams" you still didn't pass them all?
[22:15]  * ScottK wonders again what the youth of today is coming to.
[22:15] <shadeslayer> ScottK: more like the uni decided to fail the entire batch because they wanted to earn moniez
[22:16] <shadeslayer> so ... they failed a total of 180 students from our college
[22:16] <ScottK> Ah.  Youthful dodging of responsibility.
[22:16] <shadeslayer> go figure
[22:16]  * ScottK wonders more
[22:16] <shadeslayer> *shrug
[22:19] <shadeslayer> debfx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/617069/ << that look ok?
[22:19] <shadeslayer> derp
[22:19] <shadeslayer> hold on
[22:20] <debfx> in this case I would really use a variable
[22:20] <debfx> conf_args = ...
[22:20] <debfx> if (armel) conf_args +=
[22:21] <shadeslayer> i should really finish the make manual
[22:25] <debfx> eh, we copy some icons from oxygen to hicolor instead of symlinking them :o
[22:26] <shadeslayer> debfx: better : http://paste.ubuntu.com/617076/ ?
[22:26] <yofel> yeah, though I would personally move the - too
[22:27] <debfx> yep and a "\" is missing
[22:28] <debfx> other than that it looks fine
[22:28] <yofel> ah right
[22:29] <shadeslayer> okay so when it detects that the arch is not ARM, then conf_arg does not get declared right? how does make deal with that?
[22:29] <yofel> it'll simply be empty
[22:29] <yofel> you'll find the same way to add cmake stuff in neons makefile btw.
[22:30] <shadeslayer> hmm
[22:30]  * shadeslayer adds reading make manual to TODO
[22:31] <yofel> I read half of it when creating pkg-project-neon.mk :P
[22:31] <yofel> odd language
[22:31] <shadeslayer> hehe
[22:33] <shadeslayer> yofel: i had a fun discussion about make at UDS N with randalogger and persia :)
[22:33] <ScottK> randalogger: ^^^ shadeslayer is independently rediscovering the good advice you gave him some time ago.
[22:33] <yofel> haha
[22:34] <ScottK> And yet, you didn't actually do what randalogger suggested.
[22:34] <shadeslayer> yep, which is quite a huge loss
[22:35] <ScottK> It's almost like you feel randalogger assigns studies as random work instead of carefully selecting areas of study for his minions in order to give them the best chance of edifying themselves.
[22:35] <yofel> anyway, if he ever needs to add custom stuff to neon rules he better know make in the future :P
[22:36] <ScottK> yofel: No worries.  He'll be too busy claiming to be studying for exams.
[22:36]  * yofel sees a pattern developing...
[22:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: its getting boring now
[22:37] <ScottK> The studying or my harping about it?
[22:37] <shadeslayer> both tbh
[22:37] <ScottK> We could go back to the excessively sized laptop meme.
[22:37] <shadeslayer> theres a meme about that? :P
[22:38] <shadeslayer> ScottK: best to find something new to harp about now
[22:38] <yofel> buy yourself a fez, then we can talk about how it doesn't suit you :P
[22:39] <shadeslayer> sounds like a plan
[22:39] <ScottK> Well, there's how annoying stacks of engineering drawings are to review, but that'd be boring.
[22:57]  * Quintasan hands ScottK some coffee and Master Troll badge