[16:10] <charlie-tca> I am trying the crashes in dasher again today 
[16:11] <maco> dasher confuses me
[16:11] <maco> i tried it once, and it doesnt seem to be all that accurate about heading toward the letter i'm on top of. also, i couldnt figure out how to get it to put the letters i was chasing into the text box that had focus
[16:12] <Pendulum> maco: you need to start it from command line with dasher -a direct to get it to do direct input
[16:12] <maco> Pendulum: i did
[16:12] <Pendulum> huh
[16:12] <charlie-tca> Iam trying to use it 
[16:13] <maco> i thought maybe after ive finished the word there's something undocumented that i have to do to tell it to splat that out?
[16:13] <maco> also, omg the letters fly around so fast i cant chase them
[16:13] <charlie-tca> it is not crashing for me
[16:14] <maco> are they supposed to all be lined up? the way you described it before, Pendulum, i thought itd be like a tag cloud style thing of letters
[16:14] <charlie-tca> change the speed numbers to smaller numbers
[16:15] <charlie-tca> they wont line up like you think 
[16:15] <charlie-tca> and I can not get the punctuation working right
[16:16] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: what's your problem with punctuation?
[16:16] <maco> i just chased down "All" and then there's a box, which i assume is space, but still, nothing's being put into where my text cursor is
[16:16] <charlie-tca> apostrophes don't print
[16:16] <maco> i tried clicking the letters to tell it "no really this one!" but that just seems to pause it
[16:17] <charlie-tca> instead of clicking, point at the next letter you want in the same colored box
[16:17] <maco> same coloured box?
[16:17] <maco> they appear to be nested coloured boxes
[16:18] <maco> ive tried both with clicking and with just chasing
[16:18] <Pendulum> maco: what're you trying to input in?
[16:18] <Pendulum> *into
[16:18] <charlie-tca> If you are in a blue box for "h", don't go outside the blue to find the next letter. It should be another colored box inside that blue box
[16:18] <maco> vi
[16:18] <maco> in a gtk based terminal, not a qt one
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: apostrophes and returns in xchat are failing to show
[16:19] <charlie-tca> this has a high lerningcurve 
[16:20] <Pendulum> Attmittedly, I'm still on Maverick, but was mostly work for me
[16:21] <Pendulum> (until it crashed, but I suspect if I upgraded my dasher that wouldn't be a problem)
[16:21] <maco> im on maverick too
[16:21] <Pendulum> *working
[16:21] <charlie-tca> italso takes a lot of reen for me to use it 
[16:21] <maco> is it supposed to input the letters as i chase them?
[16:22] <maco> or when it gets to a space, or what?
[16:22] <Pendulum> yes
[16:22] <Pendulum> as you chase them
[16:22] <maco> im trying in gedit now
[16:22] <maco> oh hm. do i need to have at-spi registryd going?
[16:22] <Pendulum> < Pendulum> Attmittedly, I'm still on Maverick, but was mostly work for me
[16:22] <Pendulum> ^^ was written in Dasher
[16:23] <charlie-tca> i am on natty Xubuntu 
[16:23] <maco> kvkbd doesnt need it, so i didnt think dasher would, but maybe on screen keyboards do?
[16:23] <maco> or rather, *some* on screen keyboard?
[16:23] <charlie-tca> I think you do need at-spi registryd, but can't remember
[16:25] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: the latest version of dasher does work better
[16:26] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: I assumed as much. I've just been distracted by life stuff so not upgraded anything at all recently really
[16:27] <charlie-tca> understandable. I worked some trying to reproduce the crashes, and even tried the version in git
[16:27] <charlie-tca> For me, dasher in natty has the least crashes
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Back to writeing minutes from the meeting 
[16:40] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: help? I clicked something that made dasher full screen and had to kill it from a tty 
[16:41] <charlie-tca> how do I make it not full screen?
[16:41] <charlie-tca> lol
[16:41] <charlie-tca> What a deal ;-)
[16:43] <Pendulum> that I have no idea on
[16:43] <Pendulum> I've never made it fullscreen
[16:43] <charlie-tca> don t
[16:44] <charlie-tca> It is not usable, since you can't see anything but dasher and can't change the app it is inputting to
[16:44] <Pendulum> yeah
[20:16] <jono> charlie-tca, Pendulum hey
[20:16] <jono> would you be interested in doing a Q+A about Accessibility?
[20:16] <jono> we have these Friday Q+A sessions
[20:16] <jono> would either of you like to do it/
[20:16] <jono> ?
[20:16] <jono> it would be on a Friday at 9.30am Pac time
[20:17] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: be interested in co-doing it with me?
[20:17] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:17] <charlie-tca> What friday?
[20:17] <Pendulum> jono: what friday?
[20:17] <jono> Pendulum, 17th June
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: good for me
[20:18] <jono> would you like to do it togehter?
[20:18] <Pendulum> jono: yeah, I think if we do it together, it's probably best
[20:18] <jono> perfect
[20:18] <jono> thanks!
[20:31]  * phillw asks what 09:30 Pac time is in UTC?
[20:31] <Pendulum> phillw: 16:30 UTC
[20:32] <phillw> thanks :)
[20:33] <charlie-tca> huh?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> 15:30, isn't it?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> it's 19:35 UTC now
[20:43]  * phillw hmmm... can we decide? I'm terrible at TZ's :P
[20:44] <Pendulum> 9:30 Pac time is 12:30 Eastern and 16:30 UTC
[20:49] <phillw> 17:30 BST = 16:30 UTC, as long as I know - I turned up an hour late for a classroom session - worst bit was, I was holding!
[20:53] <charlie-tca> try this one - http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
[20:55] <maco> jono: there's a pattern to when these Q&As happen? id had teh impression it was "when jono says something in #ubuntu-community-team, followed by everyone else going 'huh?'" :P
[20:56] <jono> maco, no pattern
[20:56] <jono> well, there is a pattern, every week
[20:56] <jono> but no pattern in terms of topics
[21:32] <phillw> charlie-tca: I have it on my task-bar - the only way I can keep in sync with people!
[21:34] <charlie-tca> That's why I use orage world clock. I have 18 timezones on my desktop
[21:36] <charlie-tca> phillw: http://imagebin.org/156515
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Takes 1/2 inch across the top of my screen
[21:39] <phillw> Pendulum: are you mad busy?
[21:43] <Pendulum> phillw: not mad busy at the moment, no, but I'm a little tired so my brain may not be fully working
[21:44] <phillw> I'll be gentle :)
[22:59] <phillw> charlie-tca: you have mail :)
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Thank you. will be happy to advise