[00:05] <jgould> Greeting Gilbert
[00:06] <Unit193> Howdy, gilbert
[00:07] <jgould> Unit193: I think its safe to assume that you are not at panera...
[00:07] <Cheri703> we got done a while ago
[00:07] <Cheri703> ours starts at 5
[00:07] <Cheri703> ish
[00:08] <jgould> You'll start early up there...
[00:09] <jgould> gilbert: are you at Panera?
[00:10] <jgould> How many people did you have show up, Cheri703?
[00:10] <Cheri703> 7
[00:10] <jgould> Not bad
[00:11] <jgould> One downside to this is that this is my first UH, so I don't kno wwho I'm looking for
[00:14] <jgould> If anyone else is here, I'm sitting in the back corner wearing a red OSU polo
[00:19] <jgould> Also, why am I slepey?
[00:19] <Unit193> jgould: Hold up a huge Ubuntu sign!
[00:20] <jgould> I does not have one
[00:21] <Unit193> Hold up your Mac with the logo on display! ;)
[00:22] <jgould> I does not have the logo...  Gilbert's hostmane deosn't match what I'm getting fro here
[00:23] <jgould> but I also knwo that doesn't mean anythign
[00:26] <jgould> or did everyone, out of force of habit, go to the location on campus?
[00:28] <Unit193> skrappjaw: Is testdisk what your looking for? (I could PM you the apt-cache show ;) )
[00:31] <jgould> Now I'm wondering if I'm the only one here...
[00:31] <skrappjaw> ok
[00:31] <skrappjaw> cool
[00:32] <skrappjaw> i like the apt-cache search.
[00:33] <skrappjaw> thats cool.
[00:35]  * jgould is bored
[00:35] <jgould> and someone has mail...
[00:51] <gilbert> what up
[00:52] <skrappjaw> sappinen
[00:53] <skrappjaw> Gilbert: i ended up deleting the e-mail with the voting instructions
[00:53] <skrappjaw> can ya help a brotha out?
[00:56] <canthus13> Whee... Got openbox working in ubuntu... sort of. Gotta figure out how to get the tasktray working, how to get tint2 to start automagically....
[00:56] <canthus13> skrappjaw: what's your email? I can forward it to you.
[00:56] <skrappjaw> funkbassextreme@gmail.com
[00:57] <skrappjaw> thanks brotha
[00:57] <canthus13> no prob.
[00:58] <canthus13> Done.. the second email is the correct one.
[01:16] <dmcglone1> Hi all
[01:32] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Glad Gnome3 is in Onriric?
[01:34] <skrappjaw> Unit193: What was that forum you were talking about earlier that you mod?
[01:36] <Unit193> I help out on Zenix the Debian respin
[01:37] <Unit193> skrappjaw: http://zenix-os.net
[01:37] <skrappjaw> thnx
[01:39]  * canthus13 slowly figuring out how to configure openbox to do what he wants. :)
[01:42] <Unit193> canthus13: Going with Ubuntu + Openbox + Tint2 ?
[01:54] <canthus13> Yup.
[02:07] <Unit193> I thought you would like Awesome...
[02:09] <canthus13> not really.  I don't like tiling window managers. :/
[02:09]  * canthus13 gave it a shot... but it just didn't feel right.
[02:11] <TheErk> Hola
[02:22] <jgould> ok... Network is back
[02:22] <Unit193> dmcglone1: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/gnome-shell-is-finally-available-in.html
[02:24] <canthus13> bah. still can't get the background and brightness settings to stick. :/
[02:35] <jgould> Gah! sleepy!
[02:39] <canthus13> jgould: bah! Stay awake!
[02:45] <dmcglone1> Unit193: Ah cool!
[02:46]  * dmcglone1 is playing mortal kombat :-)
[02:46] <gilbert> the new mk?
[02:46] <dmcglone1> Deadly Aliance
[02:47] <TheErk> Get over here!
[02:47] <dmcglone1> On my way ;-)
[02:47] <gilbert> i just sold that back to gamestop...hadn't played it in years...didn't really compare to the original 2
[02:48] <dmcglone1> gilbert: I agree. it's freakin hard to hit them combos
[02:50] <dmcglone1> with my back out, I think I've played video games more than I ever have. My damn thumb is sore
[02:57] <dmcglone1> I've still got Midnight Club dub edition
[02:57] <dmcglone1> love that game
[03:17] <skrappjaw> rawr....
[03:25] <dmcglone1> anybody know what chipset the broadcom 4313 uses?
[03:27] <canthus13> ....?
[03:27] <canthus13> Broadcom 4313 *IS* the chipset.
[03:27] <canthus13> It uses the STA drivers.
[03:27] <dmcglone1> Ah
[03:28] <dmcglone1> I'm wondering if aircrack-ng works with the broadcom
[03:36] <canthus13> dmcglone: It does.... sort of.
[03:36] <canthus13> dmcglone: you need the madwifi drivers.
[03:37] <canthus13> Your best bet for that would be to use backtrack. the drivers should be preconfigured already.
[03:38] <canthus13> you really don't wanna fight with wireless drivers on your main system if the default drivers don't support injection and monitor. (STA drivers don't.)
[04:05] <dmcglone1> something weird happened :-/
[04:06] <dmcglone1> canthus13: know of any other ways I can test the security on my network?
[04:13] <canthus13> Plastic explosives?
[04:14] <canthus13> seriously, though.. just boot with a Backtrack LiveCD to run aircrack.
[04:14] <canthus13> what kind of security are you using?
[04:17] <dmcglone1> I'm using......
[04:17] <dmcglone1> hang on
[04:18] <dmcglone1> wpa-psk
[04:18] <dmcglone1> wpa-psk + wpa-psk2 actually
[04:19] <Unit193> Howdy, skellat/SMK
[04:20] <Cheri703> o/ skellat, others ;)
[04:20]  * Cheri703 finished her 4th book in 3 days earlier, probably going to start/finish 5th tonight as well
[04:20] <canthus13> dmcglone1: As long as you're using a decent password, it's secure.
[04:21] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Meaning random characters, at least 12 characters long. (20 would be best)
[04:21] <dmcglone1> LOL and what would decent constitute as?
[04:22] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Anything you'll never remember
[04:22] <skellat> dmcglone1: Something that looks like line noise.  Download fldigi, set it in RTTY receive mode, and whistle off-key into a microphone to generate such
[04:22] <Unit193> - Your wifes B-day
[04:22] <dmcglone1> heh, I'd go crazy. I already forget the smallest things, no way could I remember a 20 character random password... LOL
[04:22] <canthus13> dmcglone1: Just make something up, then tape it to the bottom of your router.
[04:22] <skellat> canthus13: But that presumes resistance to burglary!
[04:23] <canthus13> skellat: You've got bigger problems if you're burgled.
[04:23] <skellat> canthus13: True
[04:23] <canthus13> dmcglone1: If someone robs your house, change your wireless key, assuming your router wasn't stolen.
[04:23] <Unit193> Like "Where IS my router"
[04:24] <dmcglone1> yeah
[04:24] <Cheri703> meh, not going to read that one, thought it was part of a series, it's an off-shoot of the series
[04:24] <Cheri703> canthus13: or they just RESET it
[04:24] <canthus13> Cheri703: true.
[04:25] <dmcglone1> I just thought that I'd mess with aircrack to see just how it works. Looks like I'll never know
[04:26] <dmcglone1> I've never attempted to crack my own stuff, thought it would be fun nontheless
[04:26] <skellat> That's too frequently how people in Ashtabula County seek permanent Internet access
[04:27] <skellat> The most common question I see come up is how to slurp somebody else's access without authorization
[04:28] <dmcglone1> skellat you mean they use others internet?
[04:28] <skellat> Far too frequently
[04:28] <dmcglone1> I see. makes me wonder if anybody's using mine
[04:28] <skellat> That's why I have WPA-PSK and MAC filtering in place
[04:29] <dmcglone1> I don't have to worry about a random user, I live on a court, and nobody comes up this street unless they live here or are visiting
[04:29] <dmcglone1> and my neighbors are too freakin dumb to know how to even work a computer... LOL
[04:29] <skellat> Excellent.
[04:30] <dmcglone1> so I'm pretty safe
[04:30] <dmcglone1> haha
[04:30] <skellat> Not here.  We've got knuckleheads trying to break records in digging weak microwave signals out of background noise just so they don't have to pay for service.
[04:31] <skellat> Who also feel it is their God-given right to use any unsecured WiFi out there regardless of consequences.
[04:31] <dmcglone1> thats crazy
[04:31] <skellat> No, that's Ashtabula County at large
[04:31] <dmcglone1> I used to not use a password and only use MAC filtering
[04:32] <skellat> As long as the MAC isn't spoofed, that works
[04:32] <dmcglone1> but I got tired of adding machines when someone wanted to bring their computer over
[04:33] <dmcglone1> it got tiresome so I just went back to using a password
[04:33] <skellat> I don't have that problem with family visiting.  Any iPwns let alone other WiFi-cable mobile devices are already registered.  Access isn't always granted, mind you.
[04:34] <canthus13> wow. Openbox uses about 10-12% less ram than Gnome.
[04:34] <skellat> canthus13: That might be why CrunchBang uses it
[04:35] <dmcglone1> I have a couple friends and family who bring their computers over and I didn't want to leave their MAC's on my router
[04:35] <canthus13> MAC filtering is pointless.
[04:35] <dmcglone1> why so canthus13?
[04:35] <canthus13> I can snag a less common mac that associates with a particular AP within a few hours and spoof that.
[04:36] <dmcglone1> but I thought MAC's were unique?
[04:36] <skellat> Nope
[04:36] <canthus13> You wouldn't know any different if you got bumped off... you'd just figure your router hiccuped.
[04:36] <canthus13> dmcglone1: they are... but they're changeable.
[04:37] <skellat> That's why suppressing SSID broadcast helps as well as changing the SSID and password every so often
[04:37] <canthus13> skellat: ...nope.
[04:37] <skellat> canthus13: Go ahead
[04:37] <canthus13> the password is the only protection. I can get your SSID by watching the frames.
[04:37] <canthus13> even if your router doesn't broadcast SSID, your laptop includes the SSID in the frame headers.
[04:37] <skellat> canthus13: Exactly
[04:38] <dmcglone1> but if they are changeable, wouldn't you have to get in to change the MAC in the first place to gain access?
[04:39] <canthus13> dmcglone1: No. I just capture your wireless traffic for a few hours and filter out the unique MAC addresses that associate with your router.  from there, I just apply one of those MAC addresses to my wireless NIC and your router has no idea that I'm not who I say I am.
[04:39] <skellat> Bingo
[04:39] <dmcglone1> Ah Ok
[04:39] <skellat> That's why the machines I truly worry about have hard line connections
[04:40] <skellat> And why Payment Card Industry standards still go medieval when wireless anything is potentially considered in a retail situation where credit cards come into play.
[04:40] <dmcglone1> Interesting, I should look into that
[04:41] <dmcglone1> what would be the best way to see if anyone is using your wireless internet?
[04:41] <canthus13> For all practical purposes, though, at this point WPA is good enough with a strong password.
[04:42] <dmcglone1> my router has a few things, but I don't know if I should trust it
[04:42] <canthus13> dmcglone1: wireshark.. you can see who is associating with your network.
[04:42] <canthus13> your router doesn't really do a very good job of knowing who is connected to it.
[04:42] <dmcglone1> I kinda figured that :-)
[04:42] <canthus13> dmcglone1: ...of course, you have to know how to use wireshark effectively to do that.
[04:43] <dmcglone1> I could learn :-)
[04:44] <canthus13> the bottom line here is this:  If you use WPA with at least a 12 character random password, nobody is going to bother to crack it.  Even with top-end equipment (triple ATI GPUs or somesuch), it would take weeks to crack.
[04:45] <dmcglone1> cool!
[04:45] <canthus13> Now this will probably change in the next few years, but at this point brute-forcing a strong WPA passphrase isn't worth the effort in most cases.
[04:45] <dmcglone1> makes me feel at ease now :-)
[04:45] <skellat> Even though news had come out about using Amazon EC2 to rent processing power to do it, that trades the cost of time for the cost of money
[04:46] <Unit193> Because they can just go next door where they use WEP
[04:46] <canthus13> skellat: All that does is use a massive dictionary attack.
[04:46] <canthus13> Unit193: Or crack the idiot who used 'secretpassword' for his WPA key.
[04:46] <dmcglone1> LOL canthus13
[04:46] <skellat> canthus13: Yes.  Brute force still sometimes works wonders.
[04:46]  * Unit193 Needs to scan for WEP APs
[04:47] <dmcglone1> that was my 'secretpassword'
[04:47] <canthus13> dmcglone1: You think it's funny.  I reset email passwords all day long.. People are idiots.
[04:47] <dmcglone1> lol
[04:47] <paultag> why is it so fucking hard to just play a fucking midi keyboard
[04:47] <canthus13> Unit193: I'm getting an Alfa WUSB036H. :)
[04:47] <paultag> I don't give a shit about soundfonts or fucking interlink IDs
[04:47] <paultag> why the goddamn hell is this shit so fucking silly
[04:47] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:47] <Cheri703> hello paultag, having a wonderful evening I see :)
[04:48] <paultag> I want to barf on whoever made timidity
[04:48] <paultag> Cheri703: :)
[04:48] <dmcglone1> just hit the keys paultag and your playing
[04:48] <Unit193> canthus13: Sweet! I'm going to have to remove the TTR73 from the main SSH computer...
[04:48] <paultag> I am, actually :)
[04:48] <skellat> Ah, paultag has encountered the joys of electronic music making...
[04:48] <paultag> Just wanted to practice some keyboard. I just got done with guitar, bass and accordion
[04:48] <canthus13> Unit193: I'm looking forward to 3+ mile range. :)
[04:48] <paultag> skellat: yeah, I usually stick with devoted hardware
[04:48] <dmcglone1> damn man you a one man band!
[04:48] <Unit193> canthus13: Wow.....
[04:49] <paultag> skellat: but goddamnit all I don't have a real piano here
[04:49] <canthus13> Unit193: more, if I put the antenna on the roof. :)
[04:49] <skellat> paultag: Some day I will migrate most recording operations to analog, physical hardware.  We're not there yet but we're getting close.
[04:49] <dmcglone1> I practiced guitar this morning :-)
[04:49] <skellat> paultag: Define "real piano"
[04:49] <paultag> skellat: all my recording stuff is devoted hardware, I do everything on that then send the mixdown over
[04:49] <paultag> skellat: something that has strings and weighted keys that hit them nicely :)
[04:49] <Unit193> canthus13: You going to sit up there too? Once you get it, you'll find that it doesn't work with BT ;) (I'm sure you checked)
[04:49]  * dmcglone1 has a piano
[04:50] <canthus13> Unit193: ...? Sure it does.
[04:50] <canthus13> Not the N model...
[04:50] <paultag> dmcglone1: damnit, man. I need to play to keep my figers from getting fat
[04:50] <dmcglone1> I've got a keyboard also, but never ever play it
[04:50] <Unit193> canthus13: Just saying, with your good luck and all...
[04:50] <paultag> I should get a real keyboard.
[04:50] <dmcglone1> paultag: your welcome to come play it any time :-)
[04:50] <paultag> dmcglone1: :)
[04:50] <canthus13> Unit193: It works fine.. believe me, I researched carefully. :)  It does suffer from the channel -1 bug, but that's easy enough to get around.
[04:51] <dmcglone1> paultag: what did you practice on the guitar today?
[04:51] <Unit193> canthus13: Sounds like you will be having some REAL fun with that... Care to checkout around here? ;)
[04:51] <paultag> dmcglone1: nothing of substance. Just getting used to it. I found one in my basement, so I'm learning chords and such. I play bass. Today I had a 2 hour jam on some rowdy tunes.
[04:52] <canthus13> Unit193: :)
[04:52] <paultag> dmcglone1: on accordion, I was practicing this -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz0U2AXV0T4
[04:52] <dmcglone1> Today, for some odd freakin reason I ended up playing cotton fields by credence clearwater
[04:52] <paultag> that took a few hours too
[04:52] <paultag> dmcglone1: hahaha, oh lordy
[04:52] <dmcglone1> cool
[04:53] <dmcglone1> I freakin love jammin to old metallica
[04:53] <paultag> Yann Tiersen is *not* metallica :)
[04:53] <dmcglone1> Ah well, it's music
[04:53] <dmcglone1> :=)
[04:54] <paultag> :)
[04:54] <dmcglone1> hang on paul, I got a video for ya of me playing a little but the fuckin camera sounded like shit
[04:55] <paultag> :)
[04:55] <dmcglone1> http://www.youtube.com/dmcglone
[04:55] <paultag> dmcglone1: rock on :)
[04:56] <paultag> I've got nothing to do. I could try and record some of that song for shits on my crappy webcam as well
[04:57] <dmcglone1> yeah, I just thought I would give it a try and see how it sounded
[04:57] <skellat> Some humor to close out the 1st of June: http://m.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/18/bofh_2008_episode_25/
[04:57] <dmcglone1> I made a couple bloopers there
[04:58] <dmcglone1> once I got to the verse riff, I couldn't figure the correct settings, so I just said f-it
[04:59] <dmcglone1> Piano is my favorite instrument though. Meatloaf , Elton John and Billy  Joel are my brothers!!! LOL
[05:01] <skellat> 0001 hours...goodnight y'all...
[05:16] <dmcglone1> well I'm out, night everyone :-)
[05:17] <Unit193> Marked at 00:17
[05:17] <Unit193> :D
[05:33] <canthus13> Cheri703: http://www.blargh.com/
[05:33] <Cheri703> :D
[06:47] <Unit193> G'night!
[14:32] <Derath-S1vr> Hi all!
[14:34] <Derath-Srvr> Woot! Got a new device on my network, got my ports changed, and other good things are happening!
[15:58] <thafreak> Anyone play with zim desktop wiki?
[16:00] <Derath-Srvr> Can't say that I have...
[16:00] <thafreak> It's pretty slick....
[16:01] <thafreak> the wiki syntax is slightly different than I'm used to, but in general, it makes a nice little brain dump
[16:01] <thafreak> you can "attach" files and links etc....
[16:02] <thafreak> it all gets stored as plain text and well whatever files you attached, in a folder, which can be version controlled
[16:02] <thafreak> we'll see how well it works though when I start filling the thing up
[16:04] <Derath-Srvr> We
[16:04] <Derath-Srvr> err
[16:04] <Derath-Srvr> We're using Confluence here at work
[16:05] <thafreak> is it web based, or a desktop app?
[16:15] <Derath-Srvr> web
[16:17] <Derath-Srvr> Ah... appears to be closed source... or rather paid software... looks like $10 for 10 users...
[16:17] <Derath-Srvr> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/
[16:17] <Derath-Srvr> http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/pricing.jsp Looks like Non-profits and open Source can use it for free
[16:18] <thafreak> Yeah, I've heard of that...I was looking for a desktop/text based solution....something I could grep through over ssh in a pinch...
[16:18] <Derath-Srvr> Ah
[17:01]  * jgould grumbles
[17:06] <jgould> Fucking POS Networking gear
[17:11] <canthus13> Point of Sale?
[17:14] <jgould> Piece of shit
[17:15] <paultag> jgould: it was joke
[17:17] <canthus13> :)
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[17:17] <jgould> :P
[17:17] <jgould> I've never had the option to turn the hold music off before...
[17:18]  * Derath-Srvr smirks
[17:18] <canthus13> nice...
[17:19] <jgould> RIM's music isn't bad... AT&T's sucks
[17:19] <canthus13> still fighting with the phone?
[17:20] <Derath-Srvr> sprint just got kudos from me...
[17:20] <Derath-Srvr> coverage at my house sucks, so they sent a voip relay to my house... got it installed last night
[17:23] <Derath-Srvr> had to fight to get it to play nicely with the router since it has a built in router...
[17:23] <Derath-Srvr> Thankfully my router can bridge the wan ports...
[17:27] <jgould> canthus13: yes.  they want all this trouble shooting done before they replace it..
[17:32] <jgould> I wish I could find an electronic copy of the DSM-IV....
[17:49] <jgould> I dont' think they have any fucking clue waht is going on
[18:02] <jgould> Hmm...  I dont' need the same thing open in three tabs...
[18:18]  * jgould headdesks
[18:18] <skellat> jgould: Already?
[18:29] <jgould> Yes
[18:41] <canthus13> jgould: Shouldn't take that long to troubleshoot it.
[18:43] <Cheri703> o.O http://consumerist.com/2011/06/boy-wishes-he-hadnt-sold-his-kidney-for-an-ipad-2.html
[18:45] <skellat> Cheri703: Thankfully organ sales remain illegal in the US
[18:45] <Cheri703> yeah, still ridiculous, AND just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen
[18:46] <deejoe> speeding and smoking dope, for example
[18:46] <skellat> Yep
[18:47] <deejoe> All Hail The Market!
[18:55] <skellat> Hunh.  I didn't pay for overnight shipping on this order but FedEx just rolled up with an overnight shipment.
[18:57] <canthus13> For an iPad2? Geez... idiot.  I'd have held out for something a little better than that!
[18:58] <canthus13> skellat: The bill will arrive tomorrow.
[18:59] <deejoe> I think what this says is that the practice is common, and probably done a lot more for more dire circumstances.
[19:02] <canthus13> deejoe: At least he got paid for it...
[19:02] <canthus13> Coulda woken up in a bathtub full of ice with a gaping hole in his side...
[19:07] <canthus13> http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=4224506
[19:20]  * jgould grumbles agaihn
[19:20]  * Unit193 hates ping timeouts
[19:24]  * jgould hates time pingouts
[19:50]  * canthus13 times Unit193's pings.
[19:52] <jgould> that sounds dirty
[19:53] <canthus13> :)
[19:54] <jgould> still on with RIM...
[20:01] <jgould> Wish I could do some writing... I don't feel like moving files around...
[20:51] <jgould> oh my fucking god...  Will you guys just fucking replace the god damn phone already
[21:24] <canthus13> heh.
[21:28] <Cheri703> no!
[21:29] <canthus13> eh?
[21:33] <jgould> Heh
[21:34] <jgould> I'm about to just throw the phone into this chipper that is sitting across the street...
[21:35] <jgould> So far I could have installed Ubuntu, and completely configured it...
[21:37] <Unit193> And even had it broken once or twice on your Mac!
[21:43] <Derath-Srvr> lol
[21:49] <jgould> Yeah
[21:50] <jgould> As of right now, I'm sitting at just over 4 hours on the phone today
[21:51] <Cheri703> hoping that's on the home phone
[21:53] <jgould> Google voice and the wife's cell
[21:54] <Cheri703> ah
[22:26] <jgould> ok.  I just ordered a new phone
[22:26] <Unit193> What one?
[22:26]  * Unit193 doesn't have a phone... Just Google Voice
[22:29] <jgould> The LG Pheonix
[22:30] <Cheri703> anyone have something like this they would loan to me: http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Tools/Pages/ToolDetail.aspx?pid=Multi-Max
[22:30] <Unit193> webupd8 is so much better than omgubuntu... (What's going on at OMG anyway¿ Anyone follow?)
[22:33] <jrgifford> unit193 Google Voice is good. That's what I use.
[22:35] <jgould> I use Google Voice when I need a landline
[22:37] <jgould> jrgifford: how do you know @sceryth?
[22:38] <jrgifford> jgould: I met him through some twitter homeschool thing.
[22:39] <jgould> I met him through Julnowrimo
[22:39] <jrgifford> Thats his kinda thing alright haha
[22:39] <jgould> Heh
[22:39] <jgould> Yep
[22:40] <jrgifford> I did NaNoWriMo last year. He roped me into it.
[22:40] <jgould> How did you do?
[22:40] <jrgifford> I think i got to... 15K?
[22:40] <jrgifford> So not very well haha
[22:40] <jgould> I give you more credit for trying and not hitting 50K than I do for not trying at all
[22:41] <jrgifford> You should try sometime.
[22:41] <jgould> Nano?
[22:42] <jrgifford> Yeah why not?
[22:42] <jgould> I have 6 under my belt, crossed 50K 5 of the attempts
[22:42] <jrgifford> well done. :)
[22:42] <jgould> I'm 0 for 2 on julno... XD
[22:43] <jrgifford> I'm 0 for 0. Don't have time during the summer... XD
[22:44] <Unit193> My sister did it I think...
[22:44] <jgould> you should do it too, Unit
[22:45] <Unit193> I have no chance!
[22:45] <jgould> why?
[22:46] <Unit193> I am no writer! I am very bad at that...
[22:46] <jrgifford> Unit, give it a go. I have a friend who has no chance whatsoever, but she's doing it anyway.  :)
[22:46] <jrgifford> And I'm a horrible writer of fiction. :) I'm more of a technical-how-to writer. :S
[22:47] <jgould> I know a girl that has to go through summer school and she is planning on doing Julno
[22:48] <jgould> My wife thinks that I will switch back to the blackberry
[22:49] <jrgifford> From what?
[22:49] <jgould> The new LG
[22:49] <Unit193> Oh and a nice howdy to you, jrgifford!
[22:50] <jrgifford> the new LG looks cool.
[22:50] <jrgifford> Hello Unit193. :)
[22:53] <jgould> it's got to be better than this damn blackberry
[22:55] <jrgifford> Pretty much everything would be (I think)
[22:55]  * jgould puts a bullet in his mouse
[22:57] <jrgifford> Don't shot your mouse!!
[23:00] <jgould> its broke and doesn't track right
[23:01] <Unit193> Feed it to your dog!
[23:03] <jrgifford> well that's no good.
[23:03] <jrgifford> but you still shouldn't shoot your mouse. i mean, seriously, a mouse is so useful.
[23:03] <jgould> what do I need a mouse for,  I have a commandline
[23:03] <Unit193> Gooooood coffee....
[23:04] <Unit193> jgould: +1!
[23:04] <jgould> Coffee?  Where?
[23:04]  * jrgifford would do IRC from the command line, but can't wrap his head around it
[23:04] <jgould> that's what I do
[23:05]  * Unit193 Does IRC from the CLI! You can start by using Finch!
[23:05] <jgould> my irc session is running on my server
[23:05] <Unit193> Finch = Pidgin for ncurses
[23:05] <Unit193> I need to setup a server to run irssi... I'm using an older computer that connects via wireless...
[23:06] <jrgifford> I can do almost everything from the command line except IRC, Askubuntu stuff and IM.
[23:06] <jgould> I use weechat
[23:06] <jgould> It runs in curses
[23:06] <jrgifford> hm. i'll give it a look.
[23:08] <jrgifford> installing now
[23:08] <Unit193> jrgifford: irssi and weechat are both nice (I would say go for irssi, jgould would tell you weechat) What do you use for IM and askubuntu? Did you try alpine? or Mutt?
[23:10] <jrgifford> askubuntu has to be in a browser. the stack exchange API isn't advanced enough to do that. so i'm stuck using chrome, which is fine.
[23:10] <jrgifford> for IM, i switch between pidgin and empathy, depending on my mood.
[23:10] <jgould> I think trying to do my email in a CLI would drive me insane
[23:10] <jrgifford> jgould, i tried that. didn't work.
[23:10] <jrgifford> at. all.
[23:11] <jgould> I have three email accounts that I use regularly
[23:13] <Unit193> jgould: It's not bad, but I also use thunderbird and gmail
[23:13] <jgould> I just use the web interface for Gmail
[23:13] <Unit193> jrgifford: If you like Pidgin, try running finch in the terminal!
[23:14] <jrgifford> trying to figure out weechat first
[23:14] <jgould> there is a learning curve to weechat
[23:15] <jgould> I had it on the server for a month before I figured out how to make it autoconnect and auto join...
[23:15] <Unit193> How I have irssi, it's almost a gui client (Call me lazy...)
[23:16] <jgould> lazy
[23:16] <jrgifford_> Hello jgould
[23:16] <jgould> Hello
[23:16] <Unit193> jrgifford_: Does this hilight?
[23:16] <jrgifford_> hm. this is interesting. not sure if i like weechat though.
[23:17] <jrgifford_> Unit193 indeed it does.
[23:17] <Unit193> tab complete is sweet!
[23:17] <jgould> I like it becasue I can work off any machine I have
[23:17] <Unit193> Welcome back, canthus13!
[23:17] <jgould> weechat has tab complete, Unit193
[23:18] <Unit193> jgould: Of corse! And SSH + screen +irssi/weechat is so nice!!
[23:18] <jgould> That's how I have it running, Unit193
[23:18] <Unit193> s/corse/course/
[23:18] <jgould> Specifically by issuing screen -x so that I don't have to detach a session first
[23:18] <canthus13> feh.
[23:18] <Unit193> jgould: I had guessed :P SASL?
[23:18] <canthus13> irssi segfaulted. :/
[23:19] <Unit193> screen -rx
[23:19] <canthus13> that's not gonna help when irssi completely crashed... screen was fine.
[23:19]  * canthus13 just had to restart irssi.
[23:19] <Unit193> canthus13: I wasn't talking about you...
[23:19] <canthus13> oh. :)
[23:19] <jgould> This way I can work of of either comptuer at any time and still have hte same thing
[23:20] <jgould> Nope, just 'ssh jgould@claire -t screen -x'
[23:20] <Unit193> jgould: Or some random computer far away :) (KiTTY/PuTTY portable!)
[23:20] <canthus13> bah. I've been ripped off! My fortune cookie had no fortune. :(
[23:20] <jgould> I have that as an alias
[23:20] <jgould> that is claire-remote from my laptop
[23:20] <jgould> I love aliases
[23:22] <jgould> fark... my contacts aren't on my phone
[23:22] <jgould> This is why I hate dealing with tech issues with the phone
[23:23] <jgould> I do *not* care that there are updates... OS 6 has given me no end of greif
[23:24] <jgould> Ok Going back to Ubuntu...
[23:25] <canthus13> Ooo.. this is fun.  http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/vulnerabilities/229500147?cid=sem_edit_security&wc=4
[23:25] <jgould> Is it bad that I just rebooted the Mac from the commandline?
[23:26] <canthus13> It probably goes against all jobsian philosophy. too complex.
[23:26] <canthus13> I'm surprised you were allowed.
[23:26] <jgould> LOL
[23:27] <canthus13> It still amazes me that you can get to a command line on a mac.
[23:27] <jgould> I really should report this bug...
[23:29] <jgould> I guess plugging in the network cable would help...
[23:31] <Unit193> When I'm on windows, I always want that stupid CLI to work better
[23:31] <jgould> I don't consider that a CLI
[23:31] <Unit193> It can do some, but I want it to do more...
[23:32]  * jgould drops it in a meat grinder
[23:32] <canthus13> powershell isn't that bad...
[23:32] <canthus13> not very mature, but it has potential.
[23:33] <jgould> why can't we run Bash?
[23:34] <jrgifford_> because it's Windows, duh. :P
[23:34] <Unit193> cygwin :D
[23:34] <jgould> why would you run that
[23:34] <canthus13> wft?? Why do I have freaking wireshark on my machine here at work? (Actually, in the session I'm logged into on the terminal server...)
[23:35] <jgould> for those of you with android devices, can you sync contact groups down to your phone?
[23:36] <jgould> apparently I ordered freight...
[23:40] <jgould> Going thorough my contacts making sure everything is ok is slow going
[23:41] <Unit193> Can't you export it from your BB into your new one?
[23:41] <jgould> screw that noise.  the new one is android powered
[23:41] <jgould> it'll pull from google
[23:42]  * jrgifford_ is playing around in various IRC clients
[23:43] <jgould> Wonder which one that was
[23:43] <jrgifford> that was irssi. i think i'll stick with xchat. :P
[23:43] <jgould> :(
[23:43] <jgould> actually :'(
[23:44]  * skrappjaw is lurking
[23:44]  * jgould lurks behind skrappjaw
[23:45] <skrappjaw> creeper. :P
[23:45] <jgould> I'm just lurking behind the lurker
[23:45]  * jrgifford will be back later
[23:45] <skrappjaw> I get this vision of some one standing over me though.... So much for lurking. lol
[23:48] <Cheri703> jrgifford: I use quassel
[23:48] <Cheri703> gives the gui of xchat, but the core/client of irssi/screen (if you want it, also available as a monolithic client)
[23:48] <jgould> What the hell...
[23:48] <Cheri703> ?
[23:49] <jgould> the way some of my contacts get screwed up
[23:49] <Cheri703> ah
[23:50] <jgould> Like they lost addresses except for the city state and zip
[23:52] <jgould> I don't know whther to blame the blackberry or the mac
[23:53] <canthus13> THey didn't screw up. It's a new game... Contact Hide-and-go-seek
[23:53] <jgould> Heh