[07:34] morning... [07:49] morning all [07:52] good morning mandel [07:52] ralsina: buenas :) [07:53] lets see how the day goes today... [07:53] * ralsina da golpe en el hombro [07:55] :) [08:01] mandel: is the canonical IRC server working for you? [08:30] taking a short coffe break, will be back in 30 minutes or so [09:03] ralsina: it does work for me [09:03] blah, my quasselcore had become stuck [09:04] the crappy sftware only worked for 2 months without crashing! [09:05] ralsina: hehe that is the new idea for server code, 2 montsh is good enough ;) [09:06] on web, sure, since if you have not re-deployed for2 months, your company has probably died ;-) [09:20] hey guys, I think I've done something a bit foolish with Ubuntu one, I'm just wondering, do you guys keep backups for any period of time in case something goes wrong? [09:20] kazade: what has happened? [09:21] ralsina: can you reiew: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/use_correct_reactor/+merge/62961 [09:21] mandel: sure [09:21] mandel, well, I had ~30G of pictures in my storage, and the other day I reinstalled my laptop and decided I didn't need them on my laptop, so I unticked "Sync this folder".... [09:22] that didn't do what I thought it did [09:22] I thought it just wouldn't download that folder to my laptop, but apparently it removes it from U1 completely [09:22] kazade: well there is a way to recomber the files, but I dont have such a super power [09:22] now I'm hoping I have those pictures on my desktop, but in the worst case is there any way back [09:22] mandel: isn't that a conflict in line 30? [09:23] ralsina: let me check [09:23] kazade: try to see if you have them in your desktop and to be super save, start it with no internet connection [09:24] kazade: if you don't have them, pop here and ask for help and we will point you to the person with the super powers ;) [09:24] ok, thanks mandel [09:24] is there a way to stop a certain folder downloading on one PC? [09:24] I mean, I want the Ubuntu One folder on my work laptop, but not my pictures [09:25] kazade: yes, you can move the pict out of the 'Ubuntu One' folder and tell them to sync as a diff folder [09:25] then tell the app not to sync that udf (User Defined Folder) [09:25] ralsina: weird, I though there were no merge issues, let me fix it [09:26] mandel: ok [09:29] mandel, that's what I tried to do... I had ~/Pictures sharing as well as ~/Ubuntu One. I unticked "sync" on my laptop and it removed it totally from U1 [09:30] kazade: strange… ralsina that ^ is the correct way to do it right? [09:30] yes, that should not remove it [09:31] hmm, well it's definitely not there now :( [09:34] mandel, do you know how long U1 keeps backups for? [09:35] kazade: no idea, but I can find out, one sec :) [09:52] ralsina: can you run the test in ubuntone-control-panel like this: ./runtests -qt [09:52] ralsina: I think thee is a broken test in trunk [09:52] mandel: run them in trunk? Sure [09:52] ralsina: yes, trunk it is, there is a failing test in my system [09:53] and I'm sure I'm up to date with everything [09:53] mandel: ok, let me check [09:55] yep, there is one failing test [09:55] but that's a knwn problem in devtools that dobey is trying to fix [09:56] mandel: you get the one with REQUEST_NAME_REPLY_EXISTS right? That is the known one. [09:56] mandel, I don't suppose you could point me to that person with super restore powers? [09:56] I'm fairly sure that even if I do have them at home, I don't have all of them [09:57] kazade: I can, but he is in the US so you will have to wait a little, is that ok? [09:57] mandel, sure [09:57] kazade: the person to ask is joshuahoover [09:58] kazade: he should be around in 3 or 4 hours [09:58] ok thanks guys [09:58] np [09:58] * kazade is bricking it [09:58] my girlfriend will kill me if those pictures go missing! [09:59] kazade: he, girlfriends… you dont want to get in trouble with them ;) [10:00] ralsina: I have fixed the merge issue: https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntuone-control-panel/use_correct_reactor/+merge/62961 [10:01] ralsina: I;l move to make the ui run on windows and later we can see what to do next [10:01] mandel: I am going to take a long break in a few minutes and come back in 4 hours or so [10:02] ralsina: ok, np, I'll be here working and then will walk the dog and exercise a little [10:02] :) [10:02] cool then [10:03] mandel: I will run the tests on this one, though === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [10:07] ralsina: cool [10:07] mandel: tests pass except the one we expect to fail, code looks good, so +1 from me [10:08] ralsina: ok, alecu will take a look at it later [10:08] oh, mine, my folders is showing actual information :-D [10:10] and the connect button works! [10:12] morning all [10:13] morning [12:11] facundobatista: was just looking at bug 786189 . I noticed you had commented on similar bugs in the past. Is this likely a problem with bad metadata? [12:11] Launchpad bug 786189 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu-One on 10.04 Netbook Edition will not sync from server to netbook (affects: 1) (heat: 498)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/786189 [12:30] duanedesign, let me see... [12:32] duanedesign, yes, this is very ugly: 'is_directory': 'T', 'changed': 'LOCAL', [12:35] hello everyone! [12:42] any ubuntuone devel here to help with one question about the UI? [12:44] Pretto: fire away [12:45] fagan: I looked for the code that changes the buttons in control center, but couldn't find [12:45] hello Ubuntu One! [12:45] Pretto: nessita can probably help with that [12:46] hey alecu [12:46] hi alecu! [12:46] Pretto: hi there, how can I help? meaning, what do you want to do with the buttons (and which ones?)? [12:46] nessita, btw... can you review this branch again? https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-control-panel/tx-web-client/+merge/62889 [12:46] alecu: sure! [12:47] rthanks! [12:48] Hola nessita, alecu [12:48] hola facu [12:49] hola facundobatista! what a pleasure seeing you around [12:49] nessita, that's because I finally took a shower? [12:50] it was about time! [13:31] alecu: there is a couple of needs fixing, when you fix those I'll test it IRL [13:33] nessita, thanks for the comments; looking now. [13:46] good evening folks! [13:46] hi ralsina [13:47] nessita, I certainly forgot the "twisted.internet.base.DelayedCall.debug" in there. But perhaps we could have u1trial set it before running. Or setting it as a cmdline option. [13:47] alecu: makes sense [13:47] can it be set from command line? [13:49] mandel, ralsina: the NAME_EXISTS issue should be fixed in nightlies now [13:49] dobey: cool! [13:49] dobey: yey! [13:50] OMG, it's standup time in 10'! [13:50] dobey: was it as hard as it seemed to be yesterday? [13:52] ralsina: well, was mostly fixed on tuesday. and the twisted issues aren't properly fixed. just worked around. will be insanely hard to fix them :-/ [13:52] dobey: fixing for the tests an incredibly hard issue that doesn't show up in the real usage makes no sense [13:53] Then again, I was fully grown up before being exposed to TDD so I have a strong immune response ;-) [13:54] * nessita gets scared by ralsina's comment [13:54] See? ;-) [13:54] * ralsina is on epater le bourgueoise mode [13:54] here's bug 791834 [13:54] Launchpad bug 791834 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "Add an option to enable DelayedCall.debug (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/791834 [13:54] heh [13:54] * fagan doesnt know what that means [13:55] ralsina: I kinda agree on balancing the efforts regarding production code vs test development, but we need a sane running test suite to be able to throw new code in the "street" (cd, whatever) [13:55] it's the triptophan [13:55] ralsina: I fixed the bug other than breaking the tests [13:55] fagan: "scare the burgeois" [13:55] damn, is cool here! [13:55] ralsina: hah [13:56] i really don't like the 'version' property in NM [13:56] What's scary is that I mistyped it in french [13:56] i mean, i like that it's there [13:56] dobey: well its kinda needed [13:56] but the fact that it's the version of NM itself, and not the API, is totally f'n broken [13:57] dobey: version number comparison is one of those things that work based on good faith and pixie dust [13:57] NM is not convinced it's a system service [13:57] NM is convinced it's a system service. and it's API is a "free desktop standard" [13:58] dobey: that's their words talking. If their brains thought that, they would number APIs [13:58] fagan: did you fix your branch? [13:58] as in "numbered standard versions" that some NM version implements [13:58] nessita: working on it did some reading first [13:59] nessita: will have it by the end of the day [13:59] fagan: nice! [13:59] im supprised it didnt take me longer to actually get a working version [14:00] STANDUP!!!!!! [14:00] me [14:00] me [14:00] me [14:00] me [14:00] ralsina, dobey? [14:00] me [14:00] ralsina: mandel is not coming, right? [14:00] meh [14:00] mandel was here earlier but I don't know [14:00] alecu: go! [14:00] DONE: pushed fixed webclient branch; worked on devices tab branch [14:00] TODO: more fix for the webclient branch; push the devices tab; try to make the u1cp run on windows [14:00] BLOCKED: no [14:00] NOTE: tomorrow I'll be offline while travelling to london [14:00] LOVE: london on spring [14:00] HATE: travelling 13hs [14:00] NEXT! nessita [14:00] DONE: done listing and browsing of cloud folders, reviews [14:00] TODO: provide subscription functionality, reviews [14:00] BLOCKED: nopes [14:00] NEXT: fagan [14:00] NOTES: I will be taking an longer slot for lunch today (1.5 hr instead of the usual 0.5) [14:00] DONE [14:00] * Fixed the nm bug in my branch but was missing tests [14:00] * read up on mocker [14:01] Blocked [14:01] * nope [14:01] next thisfred ? [14:01] DONE: Bug #665024 (packaged new erlang and put it in nightlies) [14:01] TODO: See if ^ solves the bug, and if so, start SRU process [14:01] BLOCKED: No [14:01] NEXT: nessita [14:01] Launchpad bug 665024 in erlang (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Desktopcouch doesn't replicate with json_encode error 500 (affects: 9) (dups: 2) (heat: 52)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/665024 [14:01] eh, next: dobey, I guess [14:01] nopes, ralsina [14:01] :-) [14:01] DONE: not a lot yet, complicated day :-( some reviews, updating installer screens with current texts [14:01] well, we're not really following the order anyway ;) [14:01] TODO: finish that, reviews, talk to lots of people, ping design, etc [14:01] BLOCKED: by my stomach, don't ask [14:02] dobey? [14:02] ewww [14:02] we take it in turn, to act as sort of governer for the week? [14:02] λ DONE: bug #789299 (part 2) [14:02] λ TODO: bug #789300, bug #771488, expenses [14:02] Launchpad bug 789299 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "DBusTestCase sometimes connects to real session bus (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789299 [14:02] Launchpad bug 789300 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "DBusTestCase needs to work with Qt main loop as well (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/789300 [14:02] Launchpad bug 771488 in ubuntuone-dev-tools "u1trial should unset GTK_MODULES (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771488 [14:02] ralsina: are you taking tomorrow off like you suggested you might? [14:03] * fagan gets onto that bug === kenvandine_ is now known as kenvandine [14:04] nessita: probably not [14:05] sorry, went for kunch [14:05] lunch* [14:05] kunch is a lot nicer than lunch [14:06] mandel: go! [14:06] karate + lunch > all other forms of eating [14:06] DONE: Fixed ling issues in creds branch. Updated correct reactor usage for control panel. Started working on getting the UI to run on Windows. [14:06] TODO: Some more control panel. [14:07] BLOCKED: no, but have some personal stuff bothering me later... [14:08] mandel: question, is there any plan on communicating syncdaemon with the control panel? I'm not sure if that's what you're working on from your standup DONE :-) [14:08] oops [14:08] bye mandel [14:09] welcome back mandel :-) [14:09] Those second-world internet connections... tsk tsk ;-) [14:09] ralsina: sorry I went or lunch and forgot to check the watch [14:12] mandel: question, is there any plan on communicating syncdaemon with the control panel? I'm not sure if that's what you're working on from your standup DONE :-) [14:12] nessita: working on it [14:12] mandel: AWESOME [14:12] nessita: I need to create a sdtool so that we can reuse most of the code [14:13] mandel: let me know if you need assistance with that, is extremely similar to the CredentialsManagementTool [14:13] ok [14:16] nessita, pushed fixes on https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-control-panel/tx-web-client/+merge/62889 [14:16] on it! === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:27] Hmmmmm the logic for that version check is a little tricky [14:28] oh it would be easier to check if its lower than the version [14:29] fagan: which version numbers are involved? [14:30] dobey: so, I don't wanna be a party pooper but I'm still getting [14:30] self.assertNotEqual(name, dbus.bus.REQUEST_NAME_REPLY_EXISTS) [14:30] twisted.trial.unittest.FailTest: dbus.UInt32(3L) == 3 [14:30] when running -qt tests in the control panel. I'm running u1-dev-tools 0.1.3+r34-10~natty1 [14:30] ralsina: well I asked and its supposed to be anything below 0.8.99* [14:30] ralsina: ill check whats in natty too [14:31] * alecu gets the REQUEST_NAME_REPLY_EXISTS too [14:31] There *is* a distutils.version that you can use to compare those things but I am not sure we want to have that as a dependency [14:31] fagan: 0.8.99????? why not make the new API 0.9? Blargh. [14:31] ralsina: yeah thats why I was confused for a time yesterday on how to do it [14:32] if it was 0.9+ I would have just went string.split(".") and went if version[1]>8 [14:32] fagan: no, that fails for 1.0 [14:33] you *always* need to check all parts, left to right [14:33] it's just that this way you need to check three instead of 2 ;-) [14:33] ralsina: good point [14:33] alecu: is the 39% in use faked or real? [14:33] "39% in use" [14:34] nessita, faked [14:34] also, when you split, keep in mind that you may have 2 or 3 parts in the version. It's not trivial, but you can do it ;-) [14:34] ralsina, fagan: compare tuples [14:34] alecu: ah, makes sense now [14:34] alecu: better, split and zip() [14:35] alecu: approved! [14:35] nessita, cool!!!! thanks [14:35] alecu: why would a tuple be more useful than a list in this case? [14:35] * fagan doesnt really see the big difference [14:36] fagan, check what you get by doing zip(version1.split('.'), version2.split('.')) [14:36] fagan, for this case, there's no difference between a tuple and a list. Usually it does. [14:36] fagan: check the behaviour of the "<" operator between tuples. [14:37] but yes a list is the same thing [14:37] but split returns tuples [14:37] thisfred: hey there! are you arriving to heathrow? [14:37] nessita: yep [14:37] thisfred: shall we get together to go to the hotel? I land at 10:05, and your flight lands at 9:35 [14:38] thisfred: I will travel only with carry on, so I will not have luggage time wait [14:38] ralsina: I always get confused between tuples and lists when that kind of thing comes into play [14:38] * fagan is arriving at standsted [14:38] nessita: sure. I was thinking of taking the underground all the way. Do you have an oyster card? [14:39] nessita: huh [14:39] ralsina, I think split returns lists [14:39] thisfred: I do. Though beuno recommends heavily the heathrow express + underground. Last year I took only underground and it was a loooong trip (but completly doable) [14:39] dobey: yeah :-( [14:40] ralsina: huh? I thought split returned lists [14:40] nessita, thisfred: +1 to the heathrow express. [14:40] karni: hey, you're arriving at 9:35 to Heathrow as well? [14:41] thisfred: you are right! What was I thinking? [14:41] nessita: well, it takes about an hour the heathrow express shaves off maybe 20 minutes tops, considering that we'd have to get on the underground after anyway and change [14:41] ralsina, thinking about tuples? [14:41] yes, take the express. It takes 15 minutes instead of 45 [14:41] plus lovely views [14:41] thisfred: ^ that's what everybody says [14:41] nessita: but ok, let's take the express :) [14:41] thisfred: the express took about 15 minutes for me last month :-) [14:41] hehehe [14:41] hrmm [14:42] thisfred: and has wifi. And coffee [14:42] thisfred: I never had it, so I wanted to try it to see why everyone is so in love with it [14:42] wifi! [14:42] and coffee! [14:42] nessita: I took it on the way back once when I was in a hurry [14:42] oh, btw: what simcard should I get while on london? [14:42] nessita: where do you propose we meet? [14:42] of course, if you convert the cost to pesos, you want a massage and a donut, too. [14:42] nessita: 9:35, no idea where hahaha, I'm way to busy coding these days lol! :) [14:42] alecu: I got a vodafone for 1 week with 500MB of data for 10 quid [14:43] nessita: you too? [14:43] nessita: the error happens in cp trunk with --reactor=qt --gui? [14:43] ralsina, the kind of chocolate donut that usually comes included with massages? [14:43] karni: thisfred too, I'm arriving at 10:05, so I was proposing we can meet to go to the hotel together [14:43] thisfred: no idea, any suggestion? [14:43] dobey: ./run-tests -qt for me [14:43] alecu: I don't know where you are getting your massages but I like the attitude ;-) [14:44] nessita: thisfred: definitely! [14:44] thisfred: near the Heatrow express "door" (if such thing exists) [14:44] nessita: which terminals are we arriving at? [14:44] thisfred: let me check mine [14:44] ok [14:45] thisfred, karni: I'm arriving to Terminal 3 [14:45] ralsina, did you get that vodafone sim somewhere special? like a kiosk or some vodafone shop or something? [14:45] OMFG, they are playing "Hasta siempre comandante" on the bar's speakers. That's just weird. [14:45] alecu: vodafone shop [14:45] nessita: thisfred: I'm terminal 1 [14:45] cool [14:45] alecu: they are everywhere [14:45] nessita: I'm in terminal 5 [14:45] bu! [14:45] nessita: so we'd all have to get on at different stops [14:45] right [14:46] nessita: I would use these 15 minutes to start travelling to terminal 3, if that's on the way to the hotel :D [14:46] nessita: which makes it less practical [14:46] cool [14:46] yeah. Then maybe we can meet in the hotel [14:46] nessita: those terminals are not close [14:46] ok [14:46] * nessita drops friendly plans [14:46] :( [14:46] * karni hugs nessita [14:46] thisfred: right... I didn't consider terminals [14:46] * nessita hugs back, and cries [14:47] nessita: yeah: I will check in and wait for you guys in the lobby, and we can go out and do something fun? [14:47] SHOPPING to LILLY WHITES [14:47] fine by me :) [14:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillywhites [14:47] I need to get my wife a birthday present [14:47] ah probably not from there :) [14:47] I'm hoping Lilly Whites is fulled with sales, I need tons of sport clothes [14:48] thisfred: well, we can go another places too [14:48] you know, there is ONE express. You would at worst be on different cars and meet at the end [14:48] but we can go on a shopping spree [14:48] and maybe a museum [14:48] Haven't been to the tate modern in a while [14:49] * thisfred will wait in the lobby for nessita and karni [14:49] thisfred: nessita: cool :) [14:49] * nessita acks [14:49] karni: I am tallish, very short hair. [14:50] * karni note to self: save nessita's and thisfred's mobile phones [14:50] thisfred: hah! I'm the same :D [14:50] mine won't work in the UK [14:50] I'm sure we can pick out the geeks ;) [14:50] thisfred: my pic is in the directory already, though I might be not shaved this time xD [14:50] thisfred: heheheh [14:50] karni: I will have mine turned off, so don't bother [14:50] same here [14:50] hahahah you people :) [14:50] brb [14:50] * thisfred checks directory [14:51] brb [14:52] ok I think I have the logic [14:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/616761/ [14:53] but that is going by the presumption that they are going right for 0.9 after this release of nm [14:54] actually thats a little wrong too :/ [14:54] fagan: don't do it that way then ;-) [14:55] != True is better written as not [14:55] fagan: make a list of possible version numbers prior and later and see that your code works the right way with all of them. [14:55] as in "and not foo.startswith(bar)" [14:55] huh? "Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-irc. Thank you for your attention to detail" [14:55] ralsina: yeah the logic is a little bit tricky [14:56] ralsina: oh and the != True is me just coming from C [14:56] fagan: if it were easy, it would be done by computers. [14:57] wtf [14:58] ralsina: im going at it a little bit differently just to make it easier on myself [14:58] fagan also you're still using < with strings, which does not do what you want [14:58] i guess freenode doesn't like our standup [14:58] nessita: thisfred: I think it's a good idea to add the arrival terminal info on the wiki. Just added 'T1' in my row, so other ppl know. [14:58] sigh [14:59] thisfred: well I could go int(version[]) I suppose [14:59] fagan: on what exactly are you going at it a little bit different? Not about trying it with different version numbers, I hope. [14:59] ralsina: no no im just doing the logic a little bit differently because of the weird numbers [14:59] ralsina: just changing to a nested if [15:00] fagan: ok, if it makes more sense to you, that's fine [15:00] fagan: NM uses these in their versions? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weird_number :P [15:00] thisfred: yeah [15:00] fagan: write a function which takes two strings as input, write several tests that pass different strings in, and check for appropriate output, that all fail; then make the tests pass by fixing the function [15:00] thisfred: never heard of weird numbers before. I am way behind in discrete math, it seems :-) [15:01] fagan: what dobey said [15:05] anyone remember which days of UDS we had to buy our own dinner? [15:05] tue - wed - thu ? [15:05] I know it was 3 [15:07] thisfred: yes, monday and friday were pre-arranged [15:07] thx [15:09] ok now its good [15:09] im very sure of it [15:09] just going to test it now [15:09] man, qtreactor is full of broke [15:10] how the hell are we going to package it? === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [15:11] nessita: oh right; those tests weren't getting run otherwise. meh [15:15] sigh, something is killing stdout/stderr too [15:15] dobey: can I help? [15:16] ok fixed http://paste.ubuntu.com/616772/ and working [15:16] karni: I added mine too [15:16] now on to the tests if there isnt anything wrong with the way I did that there [15:16] couldn't we just ship a private copy of qtreactor? It's a single file... [15:16] not sure; uno momento [15:17] ralsina: no; we should package it properly in ubuntu if we're goint to use it [15:17] fagan: what happens with 0.5 [15:17] ralsina: it works because it is auto false [15:17] ralsina: I tried out a few different values in the python shell and it worked ok [15:18] fagan: you don't seem to be getting the idea of automated testing [15:18] ralsina: I'm leaving for a couple of hours, will be back later [15:18] ! [15:18] ralsina: well I havent fixed the tests yet [15:18] fagan: since you just "tried things on the shell" we don't see what you tried [15:18] nessita: \m/ [15:19] ralsina: ill fix them and then be able to say that its working fine [15:19] fagan: nope [15:19] fix the tests then the logic? [15:19] fagan: there are two parts to a god test. 1) it hould fail before the fix 2) it should work after the fix [15:19] and hopefully, writing the code to fix it was step 1.5 ;-) [15:20] oh ok so then I should probably have run the tests a bit more and fixed them as I went along [15:20] in this case, you should create a "check_nm_version function (or whatever) and you should write tests for it with different version numbers, and they all should be somewhere we can see them for review [15:20] ralsina: ok thats easy enough to do [15:21] ralsina: wouldn't a god test be a logical fallacy? [15:21] dobey: hahaha [15:21] s/god/mohammed/ ;-) [15:22] dobey: isnt the god test throwing a rock into the air and if it hits you then god obviously was getting retaliation [15:22] fagan: that way, you make sure your function works correctly. After that, you use it to fix the app code [15:22] * dobey hands fagan a rock to go throw up in the air [15:23] must be thrown directly vertical and you must not move [15:23] ralsina: why don't people listen to me? :) [15:24] dobey: what? ;-) [15:24] writing tests :) [15:25] what????! ;-) [15:25]