[00:15] <litropy> Hi, peeps. I just upgraded to Oneiric. My desktop wouldn't redraw, so per a bug report, I installed gnome-themes-standard, and it worked. My only problem, which existed even before I installed gnome-themes-standard, is my window decoration is looking KDE-like. Keep in mind, I have not installed KDE. Here is a screengrab: http://imgur.com/tprm7
[00:18] <IdleOne> litropy: that appears to be what the theme is supposed to look like at this time
[00:18] <IdleOne> my xchat looks the same
[00:20] <coz_> litropy,  that's an odd looking theme :)
[00:22] <litropy> IdleOne: so what has the theme defaulted to? I remember seeing something like this during the early days of Natty. It seems to be some kind of safety theme?
[00:23] <IdleOne> appears to be. I usually just use the default anyway.
[00:23] <IdleOne> I can't be bothered
[00:23] <BUGabundo> There is no theme yet
[00:23] <trism> litropy: it is Adwaita (the one in gnome-themes-standard, and the only gtk 3 theme in the repo at the moment), there are more online if you would prefer a different one
[00:24] <BUGabundo> trism: link?
[00:24] <BUGabundo> Cause I sure do
[00:25] <trism> BUGabundo: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/more-gnome-3-themes-hope-adwance-gtk3.html
[00:26] <trism> BUGabundo: you can change them in dconf-editor after extracting them to ~/.themes, org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme
[00:26] <coz_> that doesnt look like adwaita,,, googling
[00:26] <trism> coz_: it is
[00:27] <trism> coz_: it looks a bit different if you are using gnome-fallback though (the panels take a different theme)
[00:27] <BUGabundo> Thanks
[00:27] <BUGabundo> That's a life saver
[00:28] <BUGabundo> But for next few days ill be on my tablet
[00:28] <BUGabundo> To finish the review
[00:28] <coz_> trism,  must be different adwaita themes  I found one used on fedora for gtk2  advaicium adwaita and another aldabra adwaita
[00:29] <trism> coz_: well, adwaita is a theme but it is although an engine
[00:29] <coz_> trism,  ah ok that certainly explains the different themes
[00:29] <coz_> I like the advacium from gnome3
[00:40] <trism> coz_: do you have a link? I couldn't find it (and 'although' = 'also' in previous message)
[00:40] <coz_> yeah hold on
[00:42] <coz_> trism,   http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/advaicium-adwaita-theme-ported-to-gtk2.html   this is the default theme in gnome3  on fedora ,, i though it was quite nicely done,, very minimalistic
[00:43] <coz_> trism,   advacium adwaita theme
[00:44] <coz_> trism,  this is the aldabra adwaita  ported    http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/06/aldabra-gtk2-port-of-gnome-3s-default-theme/
[00:46] <coz_> anyway ,, those are the themes I usually associate with adwaita
[00:47] <trism> coz_: thanks, checking them out
[01:14] <BUGabundo> Night
[01:34] <litropy> is samba4 going to be integral to Oneiric? My samba3 install works, and since I'm getting "ImportError: No module named ldb" when I attempt samba4, instead of going through the trouble to fix it, I'm considering just removing samba4
[01:40] <litropy> Furthermore, if I end up fixing samba4, should I then remove samba3?
[04:18] <litropy> does gnome-shell replace gtk3?
[04:21] <bjsnider> no
[04:38] <litropy> Wow! I am really liking gnom-shell! Is Oneiric eventually going to use this by default?
[04:39] <litropy> And how do I get ubuntu to load this by default?
[04:39] <rww> no, it isn't
[04:39] <rww> I imagine the login manager saves your session preference, doesn't it?
[04:40] <litropy> yeah. I'm using gdm. What was I running before? GTK3?
[04:40] <rww> I don't know what you think GTK3 is, but it's actually a graphics toolkit :|
[04:42] <litropy> Mmm. Well, I installed gnome shell. Then, I ran gnome-shell after pressing my Super key and seeing nothing different. Then, my term said, "try gnome-shell replace." Did I just replace Wayland or something?
[04:42] <litropy> gnome-shell --replace*
[04:43] <rww> what
[04:43] <rww> Are you using random words instead of 'Unity' or something :|
[04:43] <litropy> heheh.
[04:44] <litropy> So, wait. Unity was my window manager before I replaced it with gnome-shell. Right?
[04:45] <litropy> That's right - wayland replaced X
[04:45] <litropy> it's all coming back to me now.
[04:45] <rww> gnome-shell and Unity are shell interfaces
[04:45] <rww> Wayland hasn't replaced X yet.
[04:45] <litropy> really? not even in Oneiric Alpha?
[04:45] <rww> unless I missed a UDS session, it's going to be on the order of years from now
[04:46] <rww> sabdfl's blog entry back in November said "eventually" ;P
[04:46] <litropy> Ah.
[04:47] <litropy> Gosh, this is really nicely done. Perfect for my netbook.
[04:48] <litropy> Everything is nice and snappy as well. Smooth fade-ins and fade-outs, even for my on-chip GPU.
[05:11] <litropy> gdm doesn't list my window manager options. The icon for the menu has a red X, and when I click it, a tiny rectangle that looks like it would be the border of the list, if the list had vales withinit, pops up. Any ideas?
[05:22] <litropy> weird ... dpkg-reconfigure gdm hangs for a split second, then exits cleanly ... without spawning a dpkg-reconfigure window.
[13:38] <astraljava> Hey all, does anyone have an idea why apt-get cannot install ubuntustudio-desktop^, even though after install tasksel, it can be found from /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc, and ubuntu-desktop^ works? Here's log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/617493/
[13:40] <bazhang> astraljava, in 11.10?
[13:40] <astraljava> bazhang: Yes, that's why I'm asking in this channel.
[13:41] <astraljava> bazhang: But I only now realized that it doesn't work in natty either, so I will have to do some deeper research here.
[13:41] <bazhang> !info ubuntustudio-desktop
[13:41] <bazhang> why would you use tasksel for that
[13:42] <astraljava> bazhang: I'm looking into installing a task, not a package.
[13:52] <geser> what error do you get when you try to install it?
[13:54] <astraljava> geser: It's all in that link I referred to in my question. http://paste.ubuntu.com/617493/
[13:56] <astraljava> Alr
[13:57] <astraljava> sorry, alternatively could someone point to a correct debug:: for apt.conf, so I would see how it tries to look for said task?
[15:58] <Roasted> Is Gnome Classic still going to be removed from 11.10?
[16:00] <arand> Roasted: That's the plan.
[16:01] <charlie-tca> but 2d fallback is real nice
[16:01] <Roasted> ehh
[16:01] <Roasted> that's extremely disappointing
[16:01] <charlie-tca> well, maybe that should be "looks nice"
[16:03] <Roasted> When will the dual screen/unity issue be fixed? is that 11.10 or will it be pushed upward to 11.04?
[16:05] <arand> Well, I guess the place to follow that woul be on the bug report..
[16:05] <arand> (There is one, right?)
[16:06] <Pici> I think I saw a fix land in natty -proposed for the dual screen issue for unity.
[16:09] <Roasted> well I heard there was a bug for it already
[16:09] <Roasted> I was in the classroom chat with shuttleworth and that's one of the questions I asked
[16:09] <Roasted> he said it was being worked on currently but I forgot to ask if it was meant for this release or 11.10
[16:09] <arand> Searching launchpad would be the way to find out, I presume
[16:10] <Roasted> it was about being able to put the unity bar on the right monitor instead of it defaulting to the left one all the time... cause my 2nd monitor is my left monitor. real pita... so much of a pita I don't use unity on that desktop :(
[16:10] <Roasted> well sorry, I just figured I'd ask here to see if anybody knew off the top of their head
[16:10] <Pici> bug 743149
[16:10] <Roasted> fix released?
[16:10] <Pici> If thats the bug, the fix has already hit natty.
[16:11] <Roasted> oh..
[16:11] <Roasted> then.. where was I
[16:14] <Roasted> I'm not seeing in this how I can push it to the right monitor, tho
[16:14] <coz_> Roasted,   the launcher or the upper panel?
[16:14] <Roasted> the unity launcher
[16:15] <coz_> Roasted, oh   no that one I dont see in  11.04
[16:15] <Roasted> it defaults to the left, but for me that's my 2nd monitor. I want it on my right monitor.
[16:18] <coz_> Roasted,  nvidia?
[16:19] <Roasted> yep
[16:19] <Roasted> and intel
[16:19] <Roasted> (laptop)
[16:19] <coz_> Roasted,  oh
[16:19] <coz_> mm
[16:22] <lucidfox> So, I've just did a clean install of Oneiric with Unity, and I have some problems
[16:22] <lucidfox> 1. The desktop background is black
[16:23] <lucidfox> 2. Window buttons (close, minimize, maximize) are missing
[16:23] <lucidfox> 3. The "install" button in Software Center is greyed out
[16:25] <IdleOne> lucidfox: the control buttons should be on the top panel for all your open windows
[16:25] <IdleOne> need to mouse over to see them
[16:25] <charlie-tca> um, 2d is missing the buttons
[16:25] <IdleOne> did not know that
[16:27] <lucidfox> Nope, nothing there either - except for Chromium
[16:27] <lucidfox> the buttons are only missing in Unity 3D, not 2D
[16:28] <charlie-tca> bug791081 is for 2d
[16:28] <IdleOne> lucidfox: you installed all updates?
[16:28] <charlie-tca> bug 791081 is for 2d
[16:28] <lucidfox> yep
[16:29] <IdleOne> well it is alpha...
[16:29] <IdleOne> report bugs :)
[16:29] <charlie-tca> oops
[16:29] <charlie-tca> sorry, yeah, I can't find a 3d bug for missing buttons
[16:30] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: 2d uses compiz?
[16:30] <lucidfox> Honestly, I don't count on the developers actually paying attention to my bugs
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I don't think so, IdleOne
[16:31] <charlie-tca> but apport tagged it 2d, the reporter may not know what it is using
[16:31] <lucidfox> for example, the one about the + magnifying lens being unintuitive has been hanging there with no response whatsoever
[16:31] <lucidfox> * icon
[16:31] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: ah, ok.
[16:32] <charlie-tca> Developers are looking at all the bugs, but will pick the ones they consider most important to work first
[16:32] <IdleOne> something tells me Unity bugs are high priority
[16:33] <charlie-tca> +1
[16:34] <lucidfox> Also, even when the buttons *were* displayed, the top panel didn't respect the Metacity button positioning settings
[16:35] <lucidfox> (so, for example, moving the buttons to the right only worked on unmaximized windows)
[16:43] <IdleOne> lucidfox: that was intentional I believe as the buttons being on the right in the panel would mess with the indicators
[16:43] <lucidfox> How? Just move the buttons to just before the indicators.
[16:43] <lucidfox> Honoring the setting in one place and ignoring it in another results in inconsistent user experience
[16:45] <IdleOne> lucidfox: I am just saying what i believe the reasoning is.
[16:45] <IdleOne> not saying I like it :/
[16:55] <lucidfox> There is no global menu in GTK3 applications, is that normal?
[16:58] <lucidfox> ah right, appmenu-gtk3
[16:58] <lucidfox> strange it's not installed by default
[16:59] <CarlFK> how do I disable the screen saver from locking the term (requires entering a password to unlock)
[17:00] <IdleOne> CarlFK: Super, search for Screen and move the little slide button over top of ON
[17:01] <IdleOne> Super key*
[17:01] <IdleOne> that annoyed me also when it was enabled out of nowhere
[17:04] <CarlFK> IdleOne: thanks.  found the on.off.
[17:04] <IdleOne> sure thing
[17:05] <IdleOne> I guess slidding a button is easier on touch screens?
[17:05] <IdleOne> who knows...wish I had the money to have such problems
[17:09] <CarlFK> any idea where that is saved?  in natty I disabled it with:
[17:09] <CarlFK> chroot $TARGET gconftool-2 --direct --config-source=xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults --type bool --set /apps/gnome-screensaver/idle_activation_enabled false
[17:10] <CarlFK> which isn't the lock on/off thing, but either way, cuz that no longer diables the screen saver, thus the locked, thus me grumpy
[17:18] <IdleOne> /apps/gnome-screensaver/lock_enabled
[17:19] <IdleOne> ah, no that isn't it
[17:27] <Volkodav> i can't login to gnome for some reason
[17:28] <Volkodav> failed to load session "gnome" is the error
[17:29] <Volkodav> is it a bug or just me ?
[17:29] <CarlFK> IdleOne: gconftool-2 --dump / > gc.xml   change off to on, no change in --dump
[17:30] <CarlFK> same with the "dim to save power" checkbox
[17:32] <CarlFK> gah!!  how do I change what happens when I close the lid?  (currwently sleeps, I want "blank screen"
[17:34] <CarlFK> the power dialog doesn't have an option for "lid closed"  I am guessing this is a bug
[17:45] <CarlFK> who picked a code name I cant remember how to spell?
[17:45] <IdleOne> Mark did
[17:46] <CarlFK> what;s his number, I need to call him up and explain my dissatisfaction in his name choice.
[17:46] <IdleOne> you can email him. I don't think he takes personal calls at work
[17:47] <CarlFK> smart man
[17:47] <astraljava> Nevermind about that, but as people in the past always referred to by the name, not the species, I was completely stumped when someone pointed to ocelot. I thought [s]he was out of his/her mind.
[17:47] <IdleOne> CarlFK: I remember by thinking of it as One Eye Ric
[17:48] <IdleOne> makes sense in my head..ymmv
[17:48] <CarlFK> I thought that too.  and then was lost the next day.
[17:48] <charlie-tca> We changed the pronunciation at UDS, too
[17:49] <charlie-tca> oh-near-ick
[17:49] <maco> oh really? i was saying oh-nair-ick
[17:49] <charlie-tca> just to make it more confusing, I think...
[17:49] <maco> like the stuff to get rid of hair on your legs
[17:49] <charlie-tca> works for me
[17:49] <charlie-tca> It was kind of confusing for me.
[17:50] <maco> i hear feisty was troublesome on this front
[17:50] <charlie-tca> I could believe that, too
[17:50] <maco> the americans say "fai stee" and the europeans said "fee stee"
[17:50] <maco> i dont know what the brits did
[17:51] <IdleOne> I pronounced it Fys Tea
[17:53] <maco> IdleOne: is that like fisty?
[17:53] <rww> oneiric = one + irc + s/c/ic/
[17:54] <IdleOne> maco: no, Fys as in the y sound in psy
[17:54] <maco> oh, so same as fai
[17:54] <IdleOne> hehe yeah I guess so
[20:14] <zonkers> is anyone maintaining a repo that will install the ubuntu classic interface?
[20:19] <micahg> zonkers: the GNOME apps that make up Ubuntu classic will be EOL upstream when 3.2 is release
[20:21] <zonkers> do you think some third party will have it?
[20:21] <zonkers> assuming EOL means end of life.
[20:22] <yofel> I heard that gnome3 will have a panel version too, doesn't it?
[20:23] <trism> zonkers: we have gnome-session-fallback, it is classic-ish (once you figure out you need to alt+right click to edit the panels now)
[20:24] <zonkers> i have tried unity and gnome 3 and dont' know why i'm forced to change. It's not neccessarily for me but brother and mom
[20:25] <trism> zonkers: it looks pretty much like the old interface, just with a bit of a different theme now that the ubuntu patches are dropped
[20:25] <yofel> lucid will still be supported for 2 years and you could try xfce or lxde if you want an old-style interface
[20:27] <zonkers> i bet personally, i go with xfce but that's me.  non of the developers have to support brother and mom who are computer illiterates
[20:29] <yofel> dunno, I find unity pretty simple to use once you get used to it. I personally use KDE
[20:31] <zonkers> well my first 20 minutes with unity, i had to turn it off.  I may have to give it another shot.
[20:31] <zonkers> my first 15 minutes with G3 were like... omg.  i have to bolt
[20:54] <yofel> I did try g3 for a while from the PPA, but having to open that apps menu every time I wanted to switch between apps became annoying fast
[20:54] <yofel> no, alt+tab is not a replacement for the panel
[20:55] <zonkers> maybe they'll fix g3 for those who like it old time
[20:56] <yofel> well, there is a panel fallback if your graphics driver doesn't support opengl, haven't tried that much yet
[21:07] <zonkers> what kernel will 11.10 be on?
[21:09] <bazhang> !info linux
[21:10] <bazhang> still too early to tell yet I guess or the bot has not been updated
[21:10] <cwillu_at_work> 3.0 or better I'd wager
[21:11] <charlie-tca> Was going to be -40
[21:11] <cwillu_at_work> which is 3.0
[21:11] <yofel> !info linux oneiric
[21:11] <astraljava> From kernel team meeting minutes: "This also means we'll target One
[21:11] <astraljava> iric to release with a v3.0 kernel rather than v2.6.40.
[21:11] <yofel> jussi: fix the default
[21:11] <yofel> please ;)
[21:12] <jussi> !info linux
[21:13] <jussi> :)
[21:13] <jussi> yofel: happy?
[21:13] <yofel> :D
[21:17] <saamm> is there any command to measure current mouse sensitivity?
[21:29] <Volkodav> hmm still can't login to gnome ... anybody?
[21:39] <vladanian> Hey, peeps, any of you know how to change the theme in oneiric?
[21:48] <trism> vladanian: you can set the gtk theme with: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-theme ThemeName; (or in dconf-editor), the metacity theme is still in gconf-editor: apps/metacity/general/theme although I imagine that will change soon once gconf is purged from the cd
[21:49] <trism> vladanian: I don't know if we have a nice appearances gui anywhere yet
[21:49] <vladanian> trism, ah, ok, thanks
[21:49] <vladanian> trism, I've got that gconfd is broken look going on
[21:50] <trism> vladanian: you may need to install gnome-themes-standard
[21:50] <vladanian> trism, thanks, I'll check it out
[22:56] <elros> hi, just upgraded to oneiric
[22:57] <elros> transition went quite smoothly, had xfce & lxde installed and removed major portions of gnome before upgrade, no big issues so far
[22:58] <elros> but now I have three instances of NetworkManager in my lxde systray, is this common?
[23:04] <pfifo> whats the recommended method to install?
[23:08] <astraljava> pfifo: Well there are new alpha1 install isos out there: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/alpha-1/
[23:10] <pfifo> does this channel cover xubuntu+1 as well?
[23:13] <rww> yes
[23:13] <astraljava> So they say on the xubuntu channel.