[00:29] <jcastro> robert_ancell: well, lightdm is delightfully boring
[00:29] <hallyn> unity-2d fails to start inside KVM.  bug 792075 has the xsession-errors file.  Does anything in there look like a plausible first cause?
[00:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 792075 in qemu-kvm "oneiric live-cd does not work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792075
[00:29] <robert_ancell> jcastro, wait for the quake greeter :)
[00:29] <jcastro> quake greeter?
[00:30] <jcastro> do I have to shoot something to log in or something?
[00:30] <robert_ancell> jcastro, where you shoot your character to login!
[00:30] <jcastro> yeah!
[01:01] <chrisccoulson> i should try out lighdm
[01:02] <chrisccoulson> can i run a browser in the greeter session though?
[07:48] <alex3f> good morning
[07:51] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:06] <RAOF> Hey there chrisccoulson
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> hey RAOF, how are you?
[08:06] <RAOF> Friday'd.
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> :)
[08:07] <chrisccoulson> no pitti this morning?
[08:07] <RAOF> Also, marvelling at the 9.4MiB openjdk buildlog.
[08:08] <RAOF> It's a pitti-holiday is it not?
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> heh, i'm glad i don't maintain openjdk ;)
[08:08] <chrisccoulson> pitti was on vacation yesterday, but i'm not sure about today
[08:09] <chrisccoulson> oh, he has a swap day today
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> does anyone here still run natty?
[08:11] <broder> yeah
[08:11] <RAOF> I think TheMuso's still on Natty?
[08:11] <broder> i still use natty
[08:11] <broder> sometimes i even use maverick
[08:12] <broder> what do you need? :)
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> broder, would you mind installing thunderbird from the archive, then adding https://launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/+archive/mozilla-test/+packages and upgrading to the latest beta? i want to make sure these builds work before i copy them in to the thunderbird-next PPA :)
[08:13] <broder> chrisccoulson: sure, please hold...
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> i can test the lucid build here (i still have a desktop running lucid), but i don't have any machines running maverick or natty
[08:19] <broder> chrisccoulson: seems to startup fine. anything in particular you want me to try?
[08:19] <broder> (i don't have a profile or anything configured in tb at the moment)
[08:26] <broder> chrisccoulson: i need to hit the sack at this point, but on a surface level, things look fine for natty. cheers
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> broder, excellent, thanks :)
[08:33] <chrisccoulson> i'll copy that to the thunderbird-next PPA shortly
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> grrrrr
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> so, this silly window that takes up my entire screen when i dock my laptop,and shows a sad face telling me i need to log out is actually from gnome-session
[08:37] <chrisccoulson> can we please get rid of that, it's awful?
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> i've got no idea what causes it to show, but my session is working fine underneath (i think maybe compiz crashed and restarted when i docked, but that's all)
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[08:52] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, how are you?
[08:53] <chr1sccoulson> seb128, i'm good thanks
[08:53] <chr1sccoulson> just testing firefox updates on my lucid machine ;)
[08:53] <chr1sccoulson> i really should upgrade this at some point
[08:54] <chr1sccoulson> jo is incredible, she hasn't applied a single security update since i last used it
[08:54] <chr1sccoulson> she just closes update-manager when it appears!
[08:54] <chr1sccoulson> we should do auto updates for security ;)
[08:56] <seb128> who care about security, it's easier to just close the annoying dialog :p
[08:57] <chr1sccoulson> indeed :)
[09:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, by reading gnome-session code that screen is displayed when the session fails to respawn something that quited
[09:00] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:00] <chr1sccoulson> seb128, yeah, i just took a look at that too
[09:00] <seb128> chr1sccoulson, if that's a required application
[09:01] <seb128> so could be compiz segfaulting out of the fact that it should respawn
[09:01] <chr1sccoulson> seb128, i think compiz did crash, but it also restarted again
[09:01] <seb128> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[09:01] <chr1sccoulson> i'm not entirely sure, i'd need to check again
[09:01] <chr1sccoulson> but compiz was definitely running
[09:02] <seb128>         if (!gsm_app_restart (app, &error)) {
[09:02] <seb128>                 if (is_app_required (manager, app)) {
[09:02] <seb128>                         on_required_app_failure (manager, app);
[09:02] <seb128> basically is what it does
[09:03] <seb128> run gnome-session --debug maybe and dock your laptop and look at the session log
[09:06] <rodrigo_> hi seb128, I'm  a bit sleepy, still some (small) toothache :(
[09:06] <rodrigo_> seb128, how are you?
[09:07] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[09:08] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm, not off today?
[09:09] <seb128> no, yesterday was an holiday today is not, I decided to do an half day each day basically so I've one day off on 2 days ;-)
[09:09] <seb128> i.e I will be mostly off the afternoon
[09:10] <rodrigo_> yeah, but yesterday you were not off, I saw you working most of the day :)
[09:10] <rodrigo_> or at least around irc :)
[09:10] <seb128> right, as I said I did half a day :p
[09:10] <seb128> yeah, I had IRC running but I watch tennis most of the afternoon :p
[09:10] <seb128> will do the same today
[09:10] <rodrigo_> ah, ok :)
[09:11] <rodrigo_> roland garros?
[09:11] <seb128> yes
[09:11] <seb128> it's the end of the second weeks so great games from now on ;-)
[09:12] <rodrigo_> I don't follow much tennis, I used to always fall asleep when watching games after lunch :)
[09:12] <seb128> lol
[09:12] <rodrigo_> but yes, I guess I should watch Nadal some day :)
[09:12] <seb128> he's playing this afternoon ;-)
[09:12] <rodrigo_> ah, ok
[09:13] <seb128> he's playing against murray so you can argue with chrisccoulson who between Spain and the UK is better ;-)
[09:13] <rodrigo_> :)
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, are you able to approve https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/5.0~b1+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1/+build/2543042 ?
[09:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what desktop work will you do in exchange? ;-)
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, anything you want ;)
[09:24] <seb128> \o/
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> or i can get you a beer in dublin?
[09:24] <seb128> that works as well
[09:24] <seb128> ok, accepted
[09:25] <seb128> beer waouh \o/
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks :)
[09:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you want the firefox one as well I guess?
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, is that in the new queue as well?
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> ah
[09:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/72887307/firefox_5.0~b3%2Bbuild1%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> yes, i added some transitional language packs
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> i remember now ;)
[09:25] <seb128> newed
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[09:26] <seb128> double beer? ;-)
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[09:26] <seb128> why is evo such a piece of crap sometimes?
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> we'll get another firefox beta next week!
[09:27] <seb128> the "show" combo is on all messages and it shows only the unread ones
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> i'm starting to wonder whether i'm creating more work by tracking the beta channel in oneiric ;)
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128, use thunderbird!
[09:27]  * chrisccoulson hides
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> :)
[09:27] <seb128> ;-)
[09:27] <seb128> I might do that to try once you get the e-d-s and unity integration done
[09:27] <seb128> you being tb team, not you only don't worry
[09:27] <alex3f> !seen mvo
[09:27] <ubot2> I have no seen command
[09:28] <seb128> alex3f, yesterday was an holiday in germany he might have taken today off to have a long w.e
[09:28] <alex3f> thank you seb128!
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to upload mike's current work for thunderbird in the next day or so
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> it's looking good :)
[09:29] <seb128> alex3f, yw
[09:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, great!
[09:29] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you still use both? evo for your work machine and tb otherwise?
[09:29] <seb128> do you use it for emails as well on your work box or just calendar?
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah. and it will probably stay that way :)
[09:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i use evo for everything on my work machine
[09:30] <seb128> do you see a speed difference on imap, etc nowadays? (just curious)
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> not too much, but then i only have my gmail account set up in thunderbird, and that's quite low traffic
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> although evo is pretty slow for me because i have lots of filters set up which is probably not representative of most people ;)
[09:33] <seb128> right, I do filtering on the server side
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i wonder whether i should do that
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> evo tends to decide to do the filtering when i want to read a mail, and then it makes me wait for 2 or 3 minutes until it has finished ;)
[09:34] <seb128> shouldn't it do that when do send&receive?
[09:35] <seb128> though I'm not even sure what that means for imap and idle :p
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it does, but i have that run every 5 minutes
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> so, there's a high probability of me catching it when it is running the filters
[09:35] <seb128> no need to send&receive nowadays on imap
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if gmail has an API for filters? having a local UI to set up server-side filtering would be cool :)
[09:36] <seb128> it would indeed, I'm not using gmail though, I'm using the canonical imap with a procmailrc
[09:40] <RAOF> Last time I tried gmail's filters weren't expressive enough to do what I wanted (like match on the Launchpad-* headers exclusively).
[09:41] <cjwatson> popey: I've added commentary there
[09:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do we still need python-gtkmozembed? debian dropped it from their python-gnome-extras build
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> seb128, there's still quite a few packages depending on it
[09:42] <RAOF> Bah.  What's the incantation for getting all the build-rdepends of a package again?
[09:42] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to get rid of it at some point though
[09:42] <cjwatson> popey: it's not really a duplicate of the bug you marked, though, but whatever
[09:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, the list of sources is
[09:43] <seb128> freespeak
[09:43] <seb128> gnome-python-extras
[09:43] <seb128> lernid
[09:43] <seb128> listen
[09:43] <seb128> penguintv
[09:43] <seb128> pytrainer
[09:44] <seb128> so 5 sources out of g-p-e itself
[09:44] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, those are all on here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance
[09:44] <seb128> those will be ported this cycle right?
[09:44] <geser> RAOF: ubuntu-dev-tools has a script for it (reverse-build-depends)
[09:44] <seb128> we would like stop building it and relying on the NBS binary until they are fixed? ;-)
[09:45] <cdbs> RAOF: Hey, any chances of a backport of upstream optimizations of intel sandy bridge GPUs to the ubuntu package xserver-xorg-video-intel? It seems those got dropped on the recent upload
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah. either that or they will be dropped ;)
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i sent out an e-mail asking for help with some of those, but nobody replied so far (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-May/033229.html)
[09:46] <RAOF> cdbs: To oneiric?  All the dropped patches should be in 2.15.0.
[09:46] <seb128> RAOF, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.oneiric/rdepends...?
[09:46] <cdbs> RAOF: Yeah, you're right. Correct
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i like green: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/FirefoxUpgradeChecklist/5.0
[09:52] <chrisccoulson> i want more of it :)
[10:03]  * RAOF wonders why we have *two* openjdk-6 source packages in main.
[10:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, so your call, drop python-mozembed yet or keep it still for a bit?
[10:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i don't mind too much. we're going to drop it anyway, but should probably keep it for a little bit longer
[10:05] <seb128> well, it will stay available but listed in NBS if we stop building it
[10:05] <seb128> we can rely for NBS binaries for stable though so if it has to stay until next cycle we will need to build it again
[10:06] <seb128> ok, let me drop it from the build following debian's lead, if there is any issue we can revert that part of the diff
[10:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^ works for you?
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, that's fine :)
[10:07] <ogra_> where does that horrid fullscreen crash message come from i see in oneiric, and is there a way to turn that off ?
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, gnome-session. see the scrollback ;)
[10:08] <ogra_> oh, i should read first, sorry :)
[10:08]  * ogra_ just got in again :)
[10:11] <ogra_> i can reliably make it crash by starting xchat under unity-2d
[10:11] <popey> cjwatson: thanks
[10:12] <ogra_> btw, beyond that (and teh missing themes) oneiric runs awesome on arm :)
[10:19] <chrisccoulson> i wish people would stop reporting bugs against firefox about the moonlight plugin not working
[10:34] <RAOF> Ah.  *That's* why there are two openjdk-6 sources in main.  One's for armel.  This build is going to be fun!
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128, you won a WI on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-mozilla-rapid-release-maintenance \o/
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> (although, it's done already) ;)
[10:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ;-)
[10:46] <seb128> that's the best kind :p
[10:46] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[11:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw you can probably drop the g-c-c 00_disable-nm.patch if you want with the new nm in oneiric
[11:25] <rodrigo_> oh, it's already in?
[11:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, 0.8.9997 has been uploaded on tuesday
[11:25] <seb128> not sure if that's enough or not
[11:26] <seb128> on monday rather
[11:26] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll try building it
[11:32] <ogra_> hmm, is lightdm supposed to give me a working session after login yet ?
[11:32] <ogra_> in oeniric that is
[11:32] <seb128> yes
[11:32]  * ogra_ only gets the Xorg cross cursor
[11:33] <ogra_> and it seems it only starts the xserver
[11:33] <ogra_> nothing in the processlist
[11:33] <ogra_> (ubuntu 2d is preselected and works fine in gdm)
[11:34] <seb128> check your .xsession-errors?
[11:34] <ogra_> hmm, will do
[11:34] <ogra_> but it doesnt look like it even gets that far
[11:34] <jagdeep> hi everybody,I want some help i get installed google chromium on ubuntu 11.04 but it does not run .
[11:36] <geser> I got only a X when I tested lightdm too
[11:36] <Tommeh> jagdeep: try running 'chromium-browser' from a terminal
[11:36] <Tommeh> It might give you an error that helps.
[11:36] <ogra_> geser, ah, cool, so its not arch specific
[11:37] <ogra_> (/me is running on arm here)
[11:37]  * geser on amd64
[11:37] <ogra_> and as i suspected, .xsession-errors is empty
[11:38] <geser> I've setup lightdm with auto-login and get logged in on boot but I something "crashes" and I've to log out but only get a X afterwards (trying to restart lightdm doesn't show a login window either)
[11:40] <jagdeep> tommeh:I tried it and got this message "Segmentation fault"
[11:41] <Tommeh> sudo apt-get install --reinstall chromium-browser
[11:41] <geser> ogra_: does your monitor freeze when you try to stop lightdm? (I get the X displayed but can't either move it nor switch the virtual console)
[11:42] <ogra_> geser, it starts X on tty1 ;)
[11:42] <ogra_> try ctrl-alt-f2
[11:43] <ogra_> nothing freezes here, but no session is executed
[11:43] <ogra_> even creating .xsession and selecting user defined session does nothing
[11:43] <seb128> open a bug or email robert_ancell
[11:45] <ogra_> aha
[11:45] <ogra_> WARNING: Failed to fork: Cannot allocate memory
[11:46] <ogra_> last famous line in lightdm.log :)
[11:48] <jagdeep> Tommeh:same msg again after reinstallation
[11:48] <Tommeh> Bad times
[11:49] <Tommeh> Try cleaning your package cache
[11:49] <Tommeh> Then running the reinstall again
[11:49] <Tommeh> sudo apt-get clean-all (I think)
[11:49] <seb128> ogra_, what greater do you use?
[11:49] <seb128> the gtk one?
[11:50] <ogra_> the default one if i install the lightdm package
[11:50] <ogra_> i think its gtk, yep
[11:50] <ogra_> lightdm-greeter-example-gtk
[11:50] <jagdeep> clean-all is not an operation
[12:06] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, jo really shouldn't have left half a cheesecake in the fridge
[12:13] <ogra_> hmm. the vala-gtk greeter doesnt show up at all
[12:19] <ogra_> k, the vala greeter works better
[12:20] <ogra_> oh my, gnome3 fallback is ugly
[12:20]  * ogra_ feels visually reminded on hildon
[12:21] <chrisccoulson> oneiric is ugly in general atm without having a gtk3 version of ambiance ;)
[12:22] <ogra_> i meant more the visual clunkyness and the centered clock ...
[12:22] <ogra_> the panels are huge at 1024x600
[12:46] <jagdeep> hi everyone ,I need little help when i run google-chromium through terminal i get message :"Segmentation fault",what it means and why it does not run.
[14:08] <hallyn> which package does unity2d ship in?
[14:18] <cyphermox> good morning!
[14:19] <cyphermox> hallyn: unity-2d?
[14:22] <bcurtiswx> good morn all
[14:23] <cyphermox> hey bcurtiswx
[14:23] <bcurtiswx> hey :)
[14:25] <hallyn> cyphermox: i don't seem to have such a package
[14:25] <hallyn> hm
[14:26] <hallyn> well i swear it was offering it to me at login as an option, but apparently not on this laptop...
[14:26] <hallyn> cyphermox: thanks
[14:51] <geser> hallyn: oneiric? select "Ubuntu 2D" to get unity-2d
[14:53] <hallyn> thanks - my laptop is natty, i just needed to know what to file a bug against.
[14:53] <hallyn> and thought i *had* 2d, but obviously don't
[15:42] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i added the empathy count for the launcher to telepathy-indicator, uploading in a few
[15:43] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, great! i am reading through the docbook for tp
[15:43] <bcurtiswx> trying to understand your code
[15:43] <kenvandine> :)
[15:43]  * bcurtiswx thinks kenvandine needs a -doc build ;)
[15:44] <kenvandine> hehe... not a library :)
[15:48] <bcurtiswx> its libken ;)
[15:50] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, are you have it build, or wait for us to test?
[15:50] <bcurtiswx> going to...*
[15:50] <kenvandine> you can grab the package branch, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/telepathy-indicator/ubuntu and build it locally
[15:50] <kenvandine> not sure how busy the builders are
[15:51] <bcurtiswx> OK so it's going to be maintained by desktop team, cool
[15:52] <kenvandine> yup
[15:55] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, i thought the ~ubuntu-desktop was only supposed to contain the debian directory? it pulled it all here
[15:56] <kenvandine> nah
[15:56] <kenvandine> this is a source package branch
[15:56] <bcurtiswx> ok
[15:59] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, what revision has launcher numbers?
[15:59] <kenvandine> 0.0.2
[16:00] <bcurtiswx> in vcs
[16:02] <kenvandine> rev 30
[16:11] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, so upon clicking the launcher on a new IM, in natty didn't that open a window? or was that strictly the me-menu?
[16:12] <kenvandine> should just open the contact list
[16:12] <bcurtiswx> OK
[16:16] <bcurtiswx> works fine here
[16:23] <kenvandine> :)
[16:39] <seb128> cdbs, the vino discussion is not really specific to desktop especially that the concern are security ones that's why I didn't point the submitter the desktop list on the bug...
[18:13] <bcurtiswx> seb seems to be fighting the internet and the internet keeps winning
[18:13] <bcurtiswx> for those that don't have join/part he's going of lot of that ;)
[19:26] <kenvandine> quiet day :)
[21:46] <bryceh> :-)
[21:49] <bcurtiswx> :D
[21:50] <bcurtiswx> how long is ssh timeout and can you change that?
[22:30] <bcurtiswx> if anyone is interested, i have empathy 3.1.1 with location and map enabled in my PPA