[00:01] <chrisccoulson> will hopefully get the beta builds in to the thunderbird-beta PPA tomorrow
[00:01] <chrisccoulson> **thunderbird-next PPA, even ;)
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> need to set up a VM to test them in first though
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> unless anyone else not running oneiric wants to test some builds ;)
[00:07] <fta> chrisccoulson, got your windows buttons back?
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> fta - not yet, but i've not tried upgrading anything yet
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> did you?
[00:07] <fta> nope
[00:07] <chrisccoulson> i was going to try downgrading the metacity libs actually, that's the most likely culprit
[00:08] <fta> i wonder if it's a conspiracy
[00:08] <fta> i remember reading somewhere that it was planed for post natty
[00:08] <micahg> fta: I'm not happy about r796 in chromium-browser.head at least for the archive builds
[00:09] <micahg> do you know what the diff is?
[00:09] <fta> micahg, i'm just aligning it with upstream. it's -O3 vs -02
[00:09] <micahg> fta: can't you just set that bit explicitly rather than unsetting our toolchain flags?
[00:10] <fta> and -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions
[00:11] <fta> it's in gyp, and it's best to not override it so it's the same as what upstream tracks with their perf tests we don't do
[00:12] <fta> there's also PIE they don't do
[00:12] <micahg> that change was only for gyp, not all of chromium?
[00:13] <fta> as chrisccoulson said a while ago, our binary has 1000 times more relocations, so it starts slower, and that sucks
[00:14] <fta> no, think of gyp as autoconf/configure. their flags are in a .gyp/.gypi file
[00:14] <fta> most probably common.gypi here
[00:16] <micahg> fta: k, I should talk to my team before I comment more, I'm lacking bits of information about the toolchain
[00:17] <fta> well, i've been doing that for the codecs since day 1, it doesn't even build otherwise
[00:18] <fta> and it's like the non system-libs thing in ff and ch, it's to stay closer to upstream and benefit from their tests & QA
[00:18] <micahg> right, my question is how much our build flags help in the security of the build
[00:19] <fta> it's just CFLAGS="-g -O2 -g -O2 -Wall" CXXFLAGS="-g -O2 -g -O2 -Wall" CPPFLAGS="" LDFLAGS="-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions"
[00:19] <fta> nothing else
[00:20] <micahg> fta: ah, so the answer is it doesn't then :), so it's fine
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> i thought there was a third party PPA that someone was using to provide seamonkey builds. i can't find it though, or did i just imagine that ever existed?
[16:21] <fta> chr1sccoulson, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=seamonkey
[16:24] <chrisccoulson> fta - yeah, i had a look there, but i don't see what i thought i was looking for.
[16:25] <fta> chrisccoulson, not even https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2 ?
[16:25] <fta> https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2  stable, testing and pre-release
[16:26] <chrisccoulson> fta - that might be it, but i thought i would recognize the maintainers name
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> ah, i e-mailed him anyway
[16:48] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: ping
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> hi m_conley, how are you?
[16:49] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: pretty good, and you?
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, not too bad thanks. just trying to get enigmail working :)
[16:49] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: gotcha, gotcha.  You probably know why I'm pinging you...
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah ;)
[16:50] <fta> dpm, hi, which list should i write to to request translations?
[16:50] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: any word?
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> so, pitti is on vacation again today. i'm just talking to allison right now though
[16:50] <dpm> hi fta, launchpad-translators (at) lists (dot) launchpad (dot) net
[16:50] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: alright.
[16:51] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: we'll hear within the next few hours?
[16:52] <fta> dpm, thanks
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, so, the answer is that we can't fit it on unless we can either get it down to a size comparable to evo (which I don't think is possible), or find something else to remove from the CD :(
[16:52] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - can we pull this into #thunderbird-unity?  I think bwinton is in there.
[17:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what's the question about seamonkey?
[18:17] <fta> dpm, there's a question in the m-l i can't answer, care to help? ;)
[18:18] <fta> oh, not sure it went to the m-l
[18:21] <dpm> fta, no, it seems it didn't, it's not in my inbox
[18:21] <fta> dpm, jsut forwarded it to you
[18:22] <dpm> ok, thanks
[18:35] <micahg> wow thunderbird 3.1 -> 5.0 is an 8MB jump
[19:20] <Omega> chrisccoulson: Have you heard anything more about the space-issue?
[19:32] <eric_> yo, the tb 5.0 that just landed is just a reversioned 3.3, right?
[20:06] <chrisccoulson> eric_, it's just the latest beta
[20:36] <fta> jdstrand, did you notice my ping about apparmor + evince on oneiric?
[20:42] <jdstrand> fta: i did. i ackd it
[20:43] <jdstrand> fta: I snagged the log and made a note. I haven't been able to fix it yet
[20:44] <fta> ok