[13:24] <astraljava> Well, in oneiric, there doesn't seem to be a task called ubuntustudio-desktop.
[13:26] <scott-work> hmmm, where is alessio (abogani)?  he hasn't been on for a few days
[13:26] <scott-work> i wanted to talk to him about his new kernel :(
[13:27] <scott-work> astraljava: was there a task 'ubuntustudio-desktop' in natty?
[13:28] <astraljava> scott-work: Yes, it can be found in /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc
[13:29] <astraljava> hrmpf
[13:29] <scott-work> hmmm, here is the code for it in launchpad:  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.oneiric/view/head:/desktop
[13:29] <astraljava> tasksel isn't installed in a default chroot
[13:31] <astraljava> hrmpf again, now even after installing tasksel, and seeing it in ubuntu-tasks.desc, it still can't find it
[13:33] <astraljava> works for ubuntu-desktop^, though
[13:36] <scott-work> cjwatson has a directory that shows all the tasks but i cannot remember it's link
[13:37] <scott-work> if we could determine that it wasn't in his list (which is what goes into the images i believe) then we might determine he needs to update his list
[13:38] <scott-work> however, i wonder if this is due to the gnome2 -> unity/gnome3, gtk2 -> gtk3, or gdm -> lightdm transitions?
[13:39] <astraljava> Okay. Well I asked on #ubuntu+1, let's see if someone has an idea.
[13:40] <astraljava> Ha! It doesn't work in natty either.
[13:42] <scott-work> this is crazy, i greatly underestimated the extent of changes we will need for gnome2 -> xfce :/
[13:42] <scott-work> looking at the desktop seed i make uneducated determinations that many, many packages will need to be replaced
[13:43] <scott-work> today/this weekend i really need to talk to the xubuntu guys and then hopefully look at their seeds to compare ours vs. theirs
[13:43] <astraljava> scott-work: I concur. Which is why we absolutely need to discuss this in the meeting.
[13:43] <scott-work> i've been relying on cory to handle this as i thought he really understood it better than i
[13:43] <scott-work> however, given the scope of the change, it probably would behoove all if at least one other person were to assist
[13:44] <astraljava> scott-work: I will try to assist in this as best I can.
[13:45] <scott-work> astraljava: that would be awesome!  thank you :)
[13:47] <astraljava> scott-work: First I need to understand why this tasking doesn't work for us at all.
[13:48] <scott-work> astraljava: it might need to work since it is already included by default for an installation
[13:48] <scott-work> we don't won't the user to be given a choice whether to install or not install the -dekstop task
[13:48] <scott-work> by the way, astraljava, is there a desktop-common task?
[13:50] <scott-work> nevermind, i think it should be ubuntustudio-desktop
[13:51] <scott-work> in situations like this i find that persia is extremely helpful and knowleable ;)
[13:53] <astraljava> scott-work: Yes I understand that, however I fail to see why ubuntustudio-desktop task cannot be found from the same place where ubuntu-desktop can, and also is installable.
[13:53] <astraljava> scott-work: apt-get plain doesn't recognize the task at all.
[13:56]  * scott-work sighs and is going into another meeting in an increasing number of meetings lately
[13:57] <astraljava> scott-work: Hang in there! :)
[14:38]  * ckontros runs through the channel naked.
[14:39]  * charlie-tca covers eyes
[15:19] <ckontros> charlie-tca: So do you throughly understand you xubuntu-settings package? The studio-settings package is a bit easier as it's mostly setting gconf keys. xubuntu-settings is more tricky.
[15:21] <charlie-tca> Oh, lordy no
[15:21] <charlie-tca> I don't understand a lot of the stuff that happens. 
[15:22] <charlie-tca> I just know who to ask, I think.
[15:22] <ckontros> charlie-tca: So you're more a coordinator for the project then?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> yes. I just try to keep everything coordinated and moving in a direction most helpful to the project
[15:23]  * charlie-tca is not a developer
[15:24] <holstein> charlie-tca: thats refreshing to hear, since you get a lot done as a non-developer
[15:24] <ckontros> Gotcha. That's useful also. Herding cats and all. :P
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's it
[15:25] <charlie-tca> I seem to be one of those volunteers that knows very little about coding and packaging, but has learned a few things here and there.
[15:25] <ckontros> Pretty much how I started. But sometimes necessity takes over and you gotta learn how to hack a bit.
[15:26] <ckontros> charlie-tca: So who in your camp would be best and willing to review my converting the xubuntu-settings package for Studio use?
[15:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is the best dev we got, micahg is learning fast, though
[15:27] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit can be hard to nail down sometimes, but if he will do it, he knows the most.
[15:40] <ckontros> charlie-tca: Ok. I think I've talked to mr_pouit a bit actually. Maybe through #ubuntu-artwork.
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Anything is possilbe. I asked him to help you out
[15:42] <ckontros> Ok. Time for food. scott-work. We still on to hack on Sunday?
[15:44] <ckontros> charlie-tca: I don't need it this now. Maybe after Sunday after Scott and I have gone through the pkg a bit then mr_pouit can check our work. :)
[15:44] <ckontros> bbs
[15:44] <charlie-tca> That's fine
[16:41] <scott-work> ckontros: i'm good for sunday, we have a team meeting as well that day
[16:45] <ckontros> scott-work: What times good for you?
[16:49] <scott-work> i think it should be most of the day, ckontros 
[16:50] <scott-work> i *might* have to take the kids to the state park on sunday, however
[16:50] <ckontros> scott-work: Oh sure sure. Start time is what Im after.
[16:50] <scott-work> earlier in the morning would be better then
[16:50] <scott-work> i could do it around 6:00 or 7:00 am CST
[16:51] <ckontros> 8 am our time is the earliest start I can do.
[16:52] <scott-work> ckontros: you are EST, right?  that would put it at 7am for me
[16:53] <ckontros> scott-work: I thought you were in Jersey? Why did I think that? :)
[16:53] <scott-work> ckontros: do you feel like you have a good feel for what needs to be done?  i was looking at the xubuntu desktop seeds as well and there are many things to change in there as well
[16:53] <scott-work> ckontros: no, i'm actually in texas
[16:54] <ckontros> scott-work: Did you move? I'm nuts I guess. :P
[16:54] <scott-work> ckontros: the only time i haven't lived in texas was when i was in the marine corps
[16:54] <scott-work> and then i lived in various places around the world
[16:55] <ckontros> scott-work: Im nuts then. :) Ok. So what I usually do is look @ their -desktop package and the depends. Remove the stuff we know we dont want. Research the stuff we're unsure of and add the stuff we do know. :)
[16:57] <scott-work> ckontros: sounds like a good plan then
[16:58] <ckontros> scott-work: Its one of the things I wanna try to tackle on Sun. Though, our new -settings pkg has to hit before we push the new seed changes.
[16:59] <scott-work> right
[17:15] <scott-work> ckontros:  if you are in a position to talk about the seeds today, we could do it in about 30 mins
[17:15]  * scott-work can leave work for the day at this point
[17:16] <ckontros> scott-work: Talk yeah. Im not in a position to start hacking. :)
[17:18] <scott-work> ckontros: i'd say let's wait then until we are completely ready then
[17:20] <ckontros> sure sure. Really, I'm off today and having a bit of a Shaw Bros. movie marathon. :P Just not in the right mindset atm.
[17:24] <ckontros> Hi-def version of "The Five Venoms" FTW. \m/
[17:26]  * scott-work is going home and dorking around abit before picking up the kids
[18:32] <holstein> ScottL: do we have admin rights to the mailing list?
[18:32] <holstein> steve miers is either spamming, or has been hacked it seems
[19:24] <astraljava> holstein: Scott and Jussi have admin rights.
[19:36] <ScottL> holstein, which account is there spamming?  i
[19:36] <ScottL> i'm not seeing any at the moment
[19:37] <ScottL> ah, they're all going to my spam box
[19:37] <ScottL> right
[19:48] <holstein> ScottL: probably not a big deal, but something that should be addressed if possible