[13:24] Well, in oneiric, there doesn't seem to be a task called ubuntustudio-desktop. [13:26] hmmm, where is alessio (abogani)? he hasn't been on for a few days [13:26] i wanted to talk to him about his new kernel :( [13:27] astraljava: was there a task 'ubuntustudio-desktop' in natty? [13:28] scott-work: Yes, it can be found in /usr/share/tasksel/ubuntu-tasks.desc [13:29] hrmpf [13:29] hmmm, here is the code for it in launchpad: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.oneiric/view/head:/desktop [13:29] tasksel isn't installed in a default chroot [13:31] hrmpf again, now even after installing tasksel, and seeing it in ubuntu-tasks.desc, it still can't find it [13:33] works for ubuntu-desktop^, though [13:36] cjwatson has a directory that shows all the tasks but i cannot remember it's link [13:37] if we could determine that it wasn't in his list (which is what goes into the images i believe) then we might determine he needs to update his list [13:38] however, i wonder if this is due to the gnome2 -> unity/gnome3, gtk2 -> gtk3, or gdm -> lightdm transitions? [13:39] Okay. Well I asked on #ubuntu+1, let's see if someone has an idea. [13:40] Ha! It doesn't work in natty either. [13:42] this is crazy, i greatly underestimated the extent of changes we will need for gnome2 -> xfce :/ [13:42] looking at the desktop seed i make uneducated determinations that many, many packages will need to be replaced [13:43] today/this weekend i really need to talk to the xubuntu guys and then hopefully look at their seeds to compare ours vs. theirs [13:43] scott-work: I concur. Which is why we absolutely need to discuss this in the meeting. [13:43] i've been relying on cory to handle this as i thought he really understood it better than i [13:43] however, given the scope of the change, it probably would behoove all if at least one other person were to assist [13:44] scott-work: I will try to assist in this as best I can. [13:45] astraljava: that would be awesome! thank you :) [13:47] scott-work: First I need to understand why this tasking doesn't work for us at all. [13:48] astraljava: it might need to work since it is already included by default for an installation [13:48] we don't won't the user to be given a choice whether to install or not install the -dekstop task [13:48] by the way, astraljava, is there a desktop-common task? [13:50] nevermind, i think it should be ubuntustudio-desktop [13:51] in situations like this i find that persia is extremely helpful and knowleable ;) [13:53] scott-work: Yes I understand that, however I fail to see why ubuntustudio-desktop task cannot be found from the same place where ubuntu-desktop can, and also is installable. [13:53] scott-work: apt-get plain doesn't recognize the task at all. [13:56] * scott-work sighs and is going into another meeting in an increasing number of meetings lately [13:57] scott-work: Hang in there! :) [14:38] * ckontros runs through the channel naked. [14:39] * charlie-tca covers eyes [15:19] charlie-tca: So do you throughly understand you xubuntu-settings package? The studio-settings package is a bit easier as it's mostly setting gconf keys. xubuntu-settings is more tricky. [15:21] Oh, lordy no [15:21] I don't understand a lot of the stuff that happens. [15:22] I just know who to ask, I think. [15:22] charlie-tca: So you're more a coordinator for the project then? [15:23] yes. I just try to keep everything coordinated and moving in a direction most helpful to the project [15:23] * charlie-tca is not a developer [15:24] charlie-tca: thats refreshing to hear, since you get a lot done as a non-developer [15:24] Gotcha. That's useful also. Herding cats and all. :P [15:24] Yeah, that's it [15:25] I seem to be one of those volunteers that knows very little about coding and packaging, but has learned a few things here and there. [15:25] Pretty much how I started. But sometimes necessity takes over and you gotta learn how to hack a bit. [15:26] charlie-tca: So who in your camp would be best and willing to review my converting the xubuntu-settings package for Studio use? [15:27] mr_pouit is the best dev we got, micahg is learning fast, though [15:27] mr_pouit can be hard to nail down sometimes, but if he will do it, he knows the most. [15:40] charlie-tca: Ok. I think I've talked to mr_pouit a bit actually. Maybe through #ubuntu-artwork. [15:42] Anything is possilbe. I asked him to help you out [15:42] Ok. Time for food. scott-work. We still on to hack on Sunday? [15:44] charlie-tca: I don't need it this now. Maybe after Sunday after Scott and I have gone through the pkg a bit then mr_pouit can check our work. :) [15:44] bbs [15:44] That's fine [16:41] ckontros: i'm good for sunday, we have a team meeting as well that day [16:45] scott-work: What times good for you? [16:49] i think it should be most of the day, ckontros [16:50] i *might* have to take the kids to the state park on sunday, however [16:50] scott-work: Oh sure sure. Start time is what Im after. [16:50] earlier in the morning would be better then [16:50] i could do it around 6:00 or 7:00 am CST [16:51] 8 am our time is the earliest start I can do. [16:52] ckontros: you are EST, right? that would put it at 7am for me [16:53] scott-work: I thought you were in Jersey? Why did I think that? :) [16:53] ckontros: do you feel like you have a good feel for what needs to be done? i was looking at the xubuntu desktop seeds as well and there are many things to change in there as well [16:53] ckontros: no, i'm actually in texas [16:54] scott-work: Did you move? I'm nuts I guess. :P [16:54] ckontros: the only time i haven't lived in texas was when i was in the marine corps [16:54] and then i lived in various places around the world [16:55] scott-work: Im nuts then. :) Ok. So what I usually do is look @ their -desktop package and the depends. Remove the stuff we know we dont want. Research the stuff we're unsure of and add the stuff we do know. :) [16:57] ckontros: sounds like a good plan then [16:58] scott-work: Its one of the things I wanna try to tackle on Sun. Though, our new -settings pkg has to hit before we push the new seed changes. [16:59] right [17:15] ckontros: if you are in a position to talk about the seeds today, we could do it in about 30 mins [17:15] * scott-work can leave work for the day at this point [17:16] scott-work: Talk yeah. Im not in a position to start hacking. :) [17:18] ckontros: i'd say let's wait then until we are completely ready then [17:20] sure sure. Really, I'm off today and having a bit of a Shaw Bros. movie marathon. :P Just not in the right mindset atm. [17:24] Hi-def version of "The Five Venoms" FTW. \m/ [17:26] * scott-work is going home and dorking around abit before picking up the kids [18:32] ScottL: do we have admin rights to the mailing list? [18:32] steve miers is either spamming, or has been hacked it seems [19:24] holstein: Scott and Jussi have admin rights. [19:36] holstein, which account is there spamming? i [19:36] i'm not seeing any at the moment [19:37] ah, they're all going to my spam box [19:37] right [19:48] ScottL: probably not a big deal, but something that should be addressed if possible