[01:18] huh, the NM widget is definitely not working, but I still have wifi [01:18] magic [01:19] or maybe this NM 0.9 is actually pretty cool [01:58] ScottK: check the KDE svn (or git?) ? [02:30] LaserJock: For multimedia I think it's git. [08:19] hmmm [08:19] yofel: got a clean natty install? [08:26] bleh .. kdeedu with python bindings is FTBFS [08:59] debfx, yofel: Fancy Tasks work normally on my virtual natty machine [08:59] and my stable install as well [08:59] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-fancytasks/+bug/750925 [08:59] Ubuntu bug 750925 in plasma-widget-fancytasks (Ubuntu) "Fancy Tasks widget crashes plasma" [Undecided,In progress] [08:59] That but is most likely invalid [09:00] bug* [09:00] * shadeslayer looks [09:00] Quintasan: you've installed the version from archive? [09:00] debfx: yes [09:01] ok, then I'd set the bug to incomplete [09:01] ^^ need backtrace [09:01] *needs [09:01] though there are 3 people that confirm the bug [09:03] Quintasan: bug 686054 might be related [09:03] Launchpad bug 686054 in plasma-widget-fancytasks (Ubuntu) "crashes plasma with 4.5.80 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686054 [09:04] ( might need a rebuild ) [09:09] shadeslayer: 4.5.80 [09:09] shadeslayer: Are you serious? [09:10] ?? [09:10] That's 4.6 Beta 2 if I am not mistaken [09:10] We already have 4.6.3 :O [09:11] Quintasan: fancy tasks was built against kde 4.5.2 [09:12] shadeslayer: in Natty? [09:12] yes [09:12] well somehow [09:12] it work here [09:12] on two installs [09:12] Quintasan: two clean installs? [09:12] yes [09:12] without rebuilding? [09:12] I installed natty yesterday on my machine [09:12] and now I did a clean install in VirtualBox [09:12] BOTH work [09:12] hmm ... dunno then, without a proper backtrace can't really say [09:14] oooh [09:15] it crashed on my machine [09:15] launching natty vm [09:15] :) [09:15] Quintasan: pastebin the backtrace if you can [09:15] downloading over 9000 debug libs first [09:15] xD [09:16] atleast you have a sane internet connection [09:16] hmm .. i have to drop python bindings from kdeedu now [09:17] shadeslayer: on my natty vm, I can add it, launch some apps but plasma crashes after a few seconds [09:18] okay, still need a backtrace :P [09:19] dbg libs downloadan [09:32] debfx: i see .orig files in this repo : https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/marble/repository/revisions/kde-4.6/show/data/mwdbii : do you think i should delete them? [09:32] they're binary files, so can't even tell the difference between them :/ [09:36] shadeslayer: http://paste.kde.org/78121/ [09:36] le click [09:36] Quintasan: install dbg symbols for the widget too [09:37] implying there are any [09:37] ( but yeah, looks like it needs a rebuild ) [09:37] @_@ [09:37] no debug symbols, wth [09:38] Quintasan: looking at lines 40 to 46 makes me think it needs a rebuild [09:39] let me do a local rebuild and test [09:39] yeah [09:48] oggyoggyoggy [09:50] infologger: what did you do to randalogger? === infologger is now known as ILogYou [09:50] xD === ILogYou is now known as apachelogger [10:03] apachelogger: dude, how do i find out the errorCode enum on api.kde.org? [10:03] searching doesn't give me anything [10:04] Quintasan: can you try with 4.6.3 from kubuntu-ppa/ppa too? [10:04] good morning btw. [10:04] ah wait, you said it crashed (reading backlog fail -.-) [10:04] shadeslayer: I have no idea what you are talking about [10:04] shadeslayer: works after rebuild with 4.6.2 [10:06] apachelogger: nvm [10:20] hm, 4.6.4 time [10:20] !ninjas [10:20] Ninja Time! apachelogger, bulldog98, debfx, JontheEchidna, Lex79, maco, neversfelde, nhandler, Quintasan, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK, stalcup, txwikinger, yofel [10:21] ubottu: you forgot me ... you're a bad bad bot [10:21] shadeslayer: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [10:21] * yofel goes cleaning wiki [10:21] shadeslayer: buy jussi a beer so he adds you ;) [10:21] my kdeedu merge is done hopefully [10:22] yofel: i already bought him stuff last UDS :P [10:22] Ill settle for a blink :P [10:22] hahahaha [10:22] then get him some finnish sweets :P [10:22] ah hehe [10:23] jussi: just wait a couple of more days [10:23] :) [10:23] meh, reading -packagers backlog from yesterday makes me want to skip 4.7b2 too :/ [10:23] yeah ^^ [10:24] besides ... the more we delay this, the more users neon gets [10:24] * shadeslayer will blog on this after exas [10:24] *exams [10:24] scott already mentioned us on the alpha1 release notes :) [10:25] \o/ [10:25] the only change was muon right? [10:25] afaik yes [10:26] hm, neon will actually useful for the split as we already have the build-deps figured out there [10:26] *be useful [10:26] huh ... never thought of that [10:26] though we have universe stuff in there, but a main-only pbuilder will find that [10:30] * shadeslayer looks at the kdeedu diff and dies [10:31] what? Is it a ~7800 lines diff as I had for kdesdk? [10:32] wiki cleaned, happy packaging [10:32] remember we're building for natty, not oneiric === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Merging KDE 4.6.3 from Debian| Packaging 4.6.4 for natty | Merges: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | TODO: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [10:34] yofel: all i know right now is that its a huge huge diff [10:35] will run wc in a sec [10:35] muwhahaha [10:35] yofel: 10019 line diff [10:35] what the hell are you doing... [10:36] yofel: new packages were added, exsisting packages were split, had to add dummy packages for transitions [10:36] then there are a bunch of symbol updates [10:36] fooey [10:36] yeah [10:37] meh, I'll clean up ninjas PPA a bit, totally cluttered [10:42] someone create a oxygen-icons.tar.xz :S [10:44] hehe [10:45] should we make an exception there and recompress that or is that against the policy? [10:47] * yofel wonders what oxygen-icons 4.6.4 actually contains [10:48] please not 4.7 stuff again [10:50] considering it's 354MB it sounds like 4.7 :S [11:03] @_@ [11:04] use older tarball? [11:04] * shadeslayer gives yofel his sword to stab oxygen-icons [11:04] yeah, we'll stick to what we have [11:04] just had a kernel panick, seems to have taken my btrfs rootfs with it to the underworld [11:05] ah well, the joys of using experimental filesystems... [11:07] fffffuuuuuu [11:09] yep, OOPS as soon as I try to mount it, fun [11:09] so now ... files from kalgebra-common from our old packaging have been moved into kalegbra and kalgebramobile .... great [11:10] and we had kalgebra-mobile earlier ... so i have to break/replaces the new one with the old one [11:10] fun [11:10] do we keep the common package? [11:11] shadeslayer: are they even installed? [11:11] debfx: whats even installed? [11:11] those .orig files [11:11] debfx: ah .. no .. i talked to marble upstream and they said that the files are intentional [11:11] they're not installed ... they're just for reference [11:24] ok [11:48] kdeedu is done, anyone up for reviewing? [11:55] shadeslayer, Quintasan: calligra? [11:56] apachelogger: build deps in ubuntu are old [11:56] apachelogger: we will have to package the build deps too .. so it's going to take a while [12:00] grrr [12:00] can we haz calligra snapshot in a kubuntu experimental at least [12:02] apachelogger: probably, the essential build deps are all satisfied : http://paste.kde.org/78205 : [12:12] huh [12:13] Quintasan: there a BADRAM option in GRUB [12:13] now that you mention it... [12:13] it has been there for a while [12:13] oh ... i never saw it before [12:13] it totally slipped my mind [12:13] ^^ [12:14] yofel: so you actually input the memaddress of each cell? :O [12:14] or is there a automated thing for it? [12:15] kdeedu up for review at lp:~rohangarg/kdeedu/ubuntu [12:15] I never used it, but I think you can give a range, not sure where you get that from though (I hope that they don't mean write up everything memtest barfs out) [12:16] or http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/kdeedu/ubuntu/revision/140 [12:24] i wish we had kubuntu for this : http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/ [12:24] i'd be buying it this instant [12:30] yeah, that would be something I would actually consider buying, I don't have enough use cases for a tablet without a keyboard [12:32] yofel: you can hookup a wetab with a keyboard [12:32] but ... the most important point of that eeepad is that its ARM [12:32] and that too a dual core 2.1 GHz nVidia tegra procy [12:32] <3 [12:33] not 2.1, it's 1.0GHz dual core, tegra 2 [12:33] still enough for an ARM one [12:33] * yofel wonders if you can overclock it ^^ [12:34] oh heh [12:34] i read it on my mobile yesterday and thought its a 2.1 Ghz proc [12:35] I would rather buy it for it's 16h battery life, one should be able to get 10h out of it without too many hacks [12:35] my 1000H has like 3-6h [12:36] everything aside.... can it boot ubuntu xD [12:36] i googled last night and there's no working port as of now [12:37] well, someone first needs to get one and then we can start breaking it :P [12:37] it has android [12:37] thus a locked bootloader [12:37] :S [12:38] ^^ something i have to workaround on my phone as well [12:40] * yofel wonders why they don't want people to buy their things :( [12:41] bbiab [14:32] yofel: btw you can overclock the eeepad [14:32] upto 1.4Ghz [14:41] maco: how about bringing pyqt to orca [14:41] or orca to pyqt [14:41] or both [14:41] smth like that [15:22] lol, we have firefox on the cd image [15:22] my oneric iso won't boot for me in vmware, anyone else having problems? alpha 65bit [15:23] jjesse: maybe it's caused by the extra bit ;) [15:23] lol [15:23] i have a magic 65 bit system :) [15:23] why don't we take the opportunity and drop rekonq :D [15:24] didn't i read someplace we made a comitment to rekonq? [15:27] yeah, my biggest concern with having firefox is the cd space it requires [15:50] 4.6.4?? what happened to 4.7? [15:50] yofel, ^^ [16:00] apachelogger: there's already upstream talk of doing that and making orca fdo [16:18] I am not able to access ktown, why so? I guess my public key was there during KDE 4.6.3 [16:29] c2tarun: ktown is being retired [16:40] apachelogger, then how can I get the latest KDE SC tarballs? [16:48] c2tarun: project neon? [16:56] c2tarun: ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org [16:56] new server [16:56] c2tarun: I should get you the -packagers backlog, nobody is happy with the 4.7 release tarball layout (and count) [16:57] and we have the excuse of being busy with other things :P === ximion1 is now known as ximion [17:12] yofel: could you please drop a note about Kubuntu's POV [17:12] they are all whining for no good reason [17:12] and no one of the packagers actually makes a case in favor of atomic tarball layouts [17:13] well, I think most points were added, and ScottK pretty much summed our main issues up [17:14] while I'm really happy about split git stuff in neon, I finally had to write kind of a buildsystem for it to keep it maintainable [17:14] constantly writing scripts to make a change to soon a hundred packages isn't doable [17:16] add a missing 'but' before the colon -.- === ximion1 is now known as ximion [17:23] debfx: uh .. ff fit onto the CD? [17:24] shadeslayer: nah, it's very oversized atm [17:24] wasn't the cd like 30M oversized? [17:24] how did FF get on there anyways? [17:24] well, gone again, bbl [17:25] DarkwingDuck: is it possible to move the meeting 2 days ahead? [17:29] apachelogger: As long as upstream will provide API stability for the now public libs and they'll make a decision and stick with it, I'm fine with the split. [17:29] ScottK: that is a given [17:30] apachelogger: What's a given? API stability? I don't think so. [17:30] yes it is for KDELibs [17:30] Right, but now every module's lib will be public. [17:31] yofel: I do not care about neon, I am talking in a Kubuntu context here :P [17:31] ScottK: there is no API stability defined for random shared libs of modules [17:31] or ABI for that matter [17:31] only kdelibs [17:32] apachelogger: That's a problem. [17:32] ScottK: why is that? [17:33] Because now all the headers will have to be published in -dev packages and so it's a public interface that should be properly maintained. [17:33] I do not agree but you should definitely not add that to the existing discussion [17:34] I don't care if they have to bump soname each release, but they should manage API/ABI as proper shared libs [17:34] but perhaps bring it up seperately on kde-release [17:35] I think it's quite relevant. [18:02] aha, firefox-locale-en is seeded [18:23] evening === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [19:32] JontheEchidna: Depends: libasound2 (>> 1.0.24.1), libc6 (>= 2.7), libltdl7 (>= 2.2.6b), libogg0 (>= 1.0rc3), libtdb1 (>= 1.2.7+git20101214), libvorbis0a (>= 1.1.2), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.1.2) [19:33] I cannot actually reporduce the gtk being pulld on the CD from canberra [19:59] [kubuntu.oneiric] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110604185846-i1euo4ygezgfyp2k * kubuntu-common remove random crap (libnotify-bin) that is pulling in half of gnome. and stop blaming libcanberra for doing that. kthxbai. [20:01] who is bored right now? [20:01] I needs a packag0r [20:01] i needs a review0r [20:04] my most favorite shadeslayer! [20:04] uh ... okay, this can't be good :P [20:04] shadeslayer: can you pretty pretty pretty please package calligra for the experimental ppa [20:05] apachelogger: did debian do all the work? [20:06] shadeslayer: yeah [20:06] some adrien guy has the packaging [20:06] but apparently it is not commit anywhere [20:06] so you need to send him a mail [20:06] @_@ [20:06] apachelogger: can it wait till the 10th? [20:06] or do you need it right away? [20:06] no [20:06] adrien.grellier@laposte.net [20:07] I actually need it last week, but since that is in the past... [20:07] also I am sune today :D [20:07] hahahaha [20:07] apachelogger: ok sending a mail [20:07] no really [20:07] ask valorie [20:07] shadeslayer: cc kubuntu-devel [20:08] uhm .... okay ... now i have to figure out which email address is allowed on that ML [20:08] * shadeslayer asks the mail man [20:13] apachelogger: any particular reason as to why you are gunning for calligra? [20:15] apachelogger: 2 line mail sent [20:19] didn't _Groo_ want to package calligra? Or do you want it *right now* ? [20:20] ^^ i was asking the same thing [20:21] i don't understand the rush :P [20:22] wait can't you do *something* for neon if the essential stuff is there? [20:22] well... sure [20:22] yofel: everything apart from copyright is done [20:22] lemme push [20:25] not sure why he said to ask me [20:25] he never uttered the word "calligra" in my direction [20:26] valorie: what is he drinking over there :P [20:26] beer, beer and more beer [20:26] FreeBeer, to be exact [20:27] the worst kind [20:27] free as in freedom, not free as in pay no money [20:27] fffuuuuu [20:28] Replace the contents of his mug with Rivella. Has the same color :P [20:28] sigh, i didn't update the branch and now they've diverged [20:28] comes in bottles, unfortunately [20:28] Best : replace with apple juice xD [20:29] :/ [20:29] O_O bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Couldn't resolve host 'xmlrpc.launchpad.net' [Errno -2] Name or service not known === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:46] Of course he's paying for it. I'm not there to get people to buy apachelogger beer so he doesn't have to pay. [20:46] valorie: ^^^ Ask him about this happening at UDS in Budapest. [20:51] ScottK: sounds like you were very successful in your fundraising [20:51] shadeslayer: oohjhhsw [20:51] Beer raising actually. [20:52] oioi [20:52] apachelogger: yes? [20:52] yes [20:52] apachelogger: ssup? [20:53] apachelogger: will finish neon package first and then look at package for experimental on monday [20:54] in the mean time if someone else wants to look at the calligra package for experimental , they now have the links for working [20:56] Nightrose: :* [20:56] from fregl and the valorie [20:56] and the mac stuff is no goody goody he says [20:56] apachelogger: :* back [20:56] {{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} to Nightrose [20:56] we miss you [20:56] awwww [20:56] I miss you folks too [20:56] sooo much [20:57] i at least get to see fregl though soon [20:58] in like 12 days or so [20:59] dont you have better things to do than see this fedora fanboi [20:59] ? [21:00] hehe not currently [21:00] :D [21:00] well except see you [21:00] but... [21:00] fregl is wearing a fedora currently [21:01] pics! [21:01] looks like a detective from a 40's movie [21:01] lol [21:01] valorie: lol ... i can imagine that [21:03] http://i.imgur.com/N8fQh.jpg [21:03] le picteure [21:03] mind the applez [21:03] and the beerz [21:05] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [21:06] why I be hugged? am I ev member yet? [21:11] no you are not yet [21:11] you be hugged for the pic [21:19] apachelogger: was actually firefox :P [21:20] ping? [21:20] somehow got on the CD [21:20] oh, now it works again [21:20] oh, and libnotify-bin too [21:21] !find glu.h [21:21] File glu.h found in autoconf-archive, erlang-dev, erlang-doc-html, erlang-esdl-dev, erlang-esdl-doc, gambas2-doc, libcgal-dev, libfltk1.1-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev, libsofa1-dev (and 2 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=glu.h&mode=&suite=natty&arch=any [21:24] JontheEchidna: your research is flawed [21:24] how did firefax get on the CD? [21:25] iDunno, but it's there [21:25] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20110604/oneiric-desktop-i386.manifest [21:26] What do I need to do to get appmenu-qt working with my own Qt version? [21:27] patch it IIRc [21:27] apachelogger: JontheEchidna [22:32:49] aha, firefox-locale-en is seeded [21:27] hunger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/qt/ubuntu/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_15_appmenu.diff [21:27] JontheEchidna: i think he means oxygen-appmenu, but i'm not sure [21:28] shadeslayer: No, that looks about right. [21:28] could someone please review the merge request [21:28] for kdeedu [21:28] shadeslayer: I want my Qt apps to use the menu. [21:28] hunger: ah okay, my bad then :) [21:28] you'll also probably want the appmenu-qt package installed [21:29] JontheEchidna: The stuff I got from ubuntu has the menu, it is just the stuff I build myself that does not. [21:29] Just use stock Kubuntu also comes to mind as an option. [21:29] Too bad that hitting Alt does not make the menu show up for Qt apps:-( [21:30] You should probably talk to agateau about that then. [21:30] ScottK: No, ubuntu packages are just too old for what I need. [21:30] alt + underlined letter works for me [21:30] "current release" is too old? [21:30] (e.g. alt + f for file, e for edit, etc) [21:31] JontheEchidna: gnome-terminal: press Alt and the menu shows up. Quassel: Press Alt and nothing happens. [21:31] JontheEchidna: Alt-Somekey works for both. [21:31] ah, different things [21:32] ScottK: Yeap, current release of Qt is too old for me. [21:33] JontheEchidna: That is a pretty big patch... do you plan to submit that to Qt? [21:34] not my patch, so no. I think it'll be included in 4.8 though [21:34] agateau would know more [21:34] JontheEchidna: Does not seem to be in the Qt 4.8 branch so far. [21:35] iirc Qt was waiting for mac support [21:35] ^^ yep [21:35] Can't take long then... :-/ [21:42] Is it a known issue that appmenu-qt sometimes falls back to displaying the menu in the app instead of the menubar? [21:45] hunger: I've only seen that if the app starts before appmenu-qt on login. [21:45] That's known. [21:45] ScottK: Nope. App is running and showing its menu bar in the top panel thing. All of a sudden the menu vanishes there and shows up inside the app again. [21:46] Odd. Nope. Never seen that. [21:46] ScottK: The app is Quassel... Everything straight from natty. [21:46] I wonder if it's due to some change in Qt 4.8 then? [21:46] quassel-client-qt4 actually. [21:46] Shouldn't matter. [21:47] I've tested that one too though and never seen that. [21:47] ScottK: Hmmm... I am running Qt 4.8 branch based apps, but not when the menu disappeared. [21:47] Ah. OK. [21:47] Dunno then. [22:14] hm, nobody did anything re 4.6.4 [22:14] * yofel takes kdelibs [22:17] failiure [22:17] !find QGLWidget [22:17] File QGLWidget found in libball1.3-doc, libqt4-opengl-dev, qt3-doc [22:20] yofel: You ought to merge from Debian again too as they've got some kde4libs bug fixes too. [22:20] 4.6.3-3 just uploaded. [22:20] well, this is about natty, but can take a look at the merge too === makl is now known as ximion [22:21] Ah. Thought it was oneiric, but packaging for natty (based on what we had in natty) is good too. [22:22] I wouldn't do 4.6.4 for oneiric, we'll rather do 4.7 (eventually) [22:33] apachelogger: glew is busted, we need 1.5.8 [22:33] we have 1.5.7.is.1.5.2-1ubuntu2 [22:35] shadeslayer: update! [22:36] . . . [22:36] herp derp [22:36] even oneiric does not have a new package [22:37] ooh [22:37] debian has it [22:37] why did they downgrade it? [22:37] aha [22:37] yofel: doesn't work on intel it seems === drdanz_home is now known as drdanz_ [22:37] ... [22:37]