=== fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [00:02] Hi, is there any way to disable the cursor jumping arrow thing in KDE when i open an program? [00:04] robb4n: the bouncing animation? [00:04] James147: Yes, thanks for the correct word =) [00:05] robb4n: I rembmer there was a way... though i cannot remember off hand exactly where :) [00:05] ok, now when i know the word: bouncing i will try google it =) thanks anyway James147 [00:06] robb4n: System settings > Application and system notifications > launcher feedback [00:06] "Launch Feedback" [00:06] look for it on settings [00:06] Thanks [00:07] done, ah nice to not have that jumping stuff =) nice to have it gone [00:08] robb4n: btw, look also under Cursor Theme" and Mouse | Mouse Navigation [00:08] hey [00:08] i mean, Mouse.... then check settings on it [00:09] hey [00:09] i need some help [00:09] with? [00:09] that's a good start [00:09] Usually [00:09] i am upgrading my distro [00:09] What happened with it? [00:09] Or do you simply want to? [00:10] wait.. still upgrading [00:10] :) [00:10] and im being asked if i want to keep or replace the kdrmc config file [00:10] so...keep...or replace...? [00:10] thats all... [00:11] and i know im late...but whatever [00:11] ncfi1013: that file stores the settings for the login screen, if you ahve changed them ata ll choose keep [00:11] ncfi1013: if you want them to be reset choose replace... either way it dosnt really matter [00:11] ncfi1013: keeping is generally good, unless you want to redo it all. It won't matter too much in the end [00:12] ncfi1013: I doupt you will notice a difference if you ahvent heavly customised the login screen :) [00:12] so...if i didnt change my password/username...dont replace it...right? [00:13] ncfi1013: the login manager dosnt handel username/password storing... thats handel by lower level tools in a far more secure way :) [00:14] ncfi1013: just so you know, login details are stored in /etc/passwd and the password hashes for each account are stroed in /etc/shadow [00:14] though you shount edit though files by hand :) [00:14] thanks... [00:15] bye... [00:18] James147: he was an odd fellow.. [00:18] bif i have on my printers.conf 'DeviceURI socket://192.168.1.200' and the printer needs login:pass - if i change to 'socket://Mylogin:MyPassword@192.168.1.200' it will work or... maybe i'll turn the printer on a x-ray machine? :o [00:19] can't test it now, i'm not where i have that printer [00:19] but i wonder if works.. [00:20] Huh..thats an interesting concept, I wouldn't know though [00:20] either way i would be happy; printer or x-ray [00:21] to run as a x-ray and do a torax one, just need to turn it up [00:22] an expensive machine with no linux drivers, afaik - http://www.olivettibenelux.com/products/multifunctional-copier-color/37-d-color-mf201.html [01:10] hello, I got a problem after upgrading kubuntu from 10.10 to 11.04, the menus have disappeared in all applications [01:10] you know the File, Edit, Tools etc. [01:11] when using x-applications as root I get the menus back (for example krusader in root mode works) [01:11] tried changeing permissions on /home//* to but no go [01:12] any idea what to try next? [01:13] what applications are not showing? [01:13] all ive tried [01:14] kwrite, quassel firefox dolphin etc [01:15] Hm, let me tinker around with it [01:16] JKAbrams: are you using FF4? [01:16] yes [01:17] That could be one reason. Click the little 'firefox' thing in the upper left corner, and click on 'preferences' and then select 'menu bar'. that will [hopefully] solve your firefox one [01:17] ok I'll try that :) [01:18] I'll continue hunting as to why your other menu icons aren't showing [01:19] I have no option "preferences" on the dropdown under the firefox icon [01:19] Hm, thats awkward... [01:19] i have configure window behaivour, is that the one? [01:20] perhaps you didn't set it up that way, hm. Let me think [01:21] this dropdown menu I get on the icon is the same as I get when right-clicking on the titlebar [01:22] a generic window-manager menu [01:22] Oh, not that menu [01:22] lets try renaming your .config file real fast to see if that brings them up [01:23] sure, which one? [01:23] go to dolphin, press "alt+." and then find the '.config' folder, and rename it to '.config-old' [01:24] JKAbrams: you find it? [01:24] nope [01:24] maby i've disabled that shortcut, or something eles is up whith it, cus nothing happens [01:25] okay, is Dolphin still up? [01:25] yep [01:25] in what folder is this config-file? [01:25] ~ [01:26] its a folder, in your home directory [01:26] I didn't mention that, since Dolphin starts straight to the home directory [01:27] JKAbrams: make sure your in your home directory[where Music, Documents, etc. is] and then press and hold 'alt' and then press the period button. see if that works [01:28] that one worked, thx [01:28] now i know how to show hidden files [01:28] whitout the menu :) [01:28] okay, now find the .config folder, and rename it to '.config-old' [01:29] your welcome haha [01:29] done [01:29] done [01:29] ok [01:29] okay, now, log out and then back in. Lets see if that works [01:29] done [01:30] You logged out? [01:30] now there is something stange with quassel... [01:30] what? [01:31] nod if you get what i'm saying, cus i get nothing in the chat-window =P [01:31] hehe, i try restarting this app see if that helps, back in a minute [01:33] you there now? [01:34] yes, i renamed the config folder [01:34] okay, now, log out and back in to your session [01:35] aight, you know changing the config -folder made quassel stop working, so i copied over the old quassel config-folder so i could get back in here again [01:36] i'll try logging in again, back in another minute [01:38] i'm sad to report that did not help [01:38] still no menus [01:39] i did a logout/login could there make a difference to restart the computer instead? [01:40] JKAbrams: possibly could, though did you keep the folder named as '.config-old'? [01:40] of course, i've invested too much time in those settings and profiles ;) [01:41] Hmm...maybe if we can get a default desktop on your computer, we can see if its still borked that way [01:43] yeah, my hunch is that it is a problem with some config file or other, but i dont know them enough to know where to start looking [01:43] JKAbrams: this is what we'll do. We'll power off your computer, and when you bring it back online, before you log in, we'll default your desktop [01:45] when you get to KDM, press "alt+ctrl+F1" and then login that way. Once you do, type "mv /home/"your_user_name"/.kde /home/"your_user_name"/.kde-old" once you do that, go back to KDM with "alt+ctrl+F7" and then login. It should default everything you have [01:45] and write that stuff down so that you don't forget it, and remember, capitilization matters [01:46] ok, i'll try moving my .kde folder [01:47] you have to restart first though [01:47] this shouldn't be done through Dolphin or anything [01:47] yep, i'll use your suggested method :) [01:48] might take me about 5 minutes i think, i'll report back when its done === Keshl_ is now known as Keshl [01:48] alright, good [01:55] JKAbrams: yes, no? [01:55] i'm back, and my menus too :D [01:56] but not my application profiles [01:56] are they stored in .config? [01:56] alright, good. Well, like I said. we were defaulting your entire session [01:56] No those aren't. I believe your good to rename .config-old back to .config [01:57] quassels profile was in .config [01:57] hmm...im not sure [01:57] I was just doing basic troubleshooting :P [02:00] yep, i learned a few things along the way, any suggested path for merging my new .kde and the old one? [02:01] JKAbrams: you can either redo all your custom stuff, or we can spend the time to merge one thing at a time to figure out what went wrong where [02:02] wow [02:03] JKAbrams: you know Linkmaster gets paid by the word?? [02:03] lcb: hush [02:03] hehehe [02:03] :) [02:03] thats quite an offer [02:04] good job [02:04] i'm back, and my menus too :D [02:04] the application settings (like size, color and shortcuts) I can do again, but I need to figure out a way to get my user profiles back (saved passwords, user account settings and the like) [02:04] your making me seem like I know what I'm talking about...:P [02:04] lol [02:05] JKAbrams: most of that should still be there...let me take a look though [02:05] you know. don't be so modest [02:06] i'll start by renaming the .config-old -folder back and than a resterat, to see if the menus are still with me [02:07] back in a couple [02:07] alright [02:12] menus still here, the problem was is in some config-file in .kde [02:14] Hm, thats both easier and more difficult [02:15] still alot of my profiles are missing (kopete for example), i could do a comparasion between the files in .kde and .kde-old to see what have changed [02:15] none of your passwords are around anymoer? [02:15] let me see... [02:15] remembered ssh-passwored are missing [02:16] (sftp-connection from dolphin) [02:16] JKAbrams: go to your '.kde-old' folder through a konsole, and ls -al for us, then pastbin it [02:17] ok [02:19] http://paste.kde.org/78061/ [02:21] or did you want the full -R listing? [02:22] how i can see a map of my current layout? [02:24] JKAbrams: I'm not sure..I really don't think passwords are saved in .kde...maybe...hm. Try moving the three files that have symbolic links back into .kde. see what that does [02:25] ok [02:27] JKAbrams: you might need to log out for it to take full effect [02:27] they point to the same folders [02:27] oh. Hrm.. [02:27] i mean all the links in .kde and .kde-old are the same [02:30] yeah, they are the same folders, but .kde has a new slate if that makes sense. all the subfolders in .kde-old won't be in .kde [02:30] perhaps i [02:30] *oops [02:31] i know what you mean, i just meant the symbolic links are the same [02:32] yeah, I figured as much [02:32] i just did a content comparasion in krusader thera are about 3800 files differing between .kde and .kde-old [02:32] I told you :P [02:34] yep, i might just start copying them over, from .kde-old to .kde new, and se when the problem with the meny reappears... [02:35] That was the second, longer plan that would hopefully not happen. but if you wish to try it, please do so. you might need to login/logout for every file copied, so I'd suggest larger folers. when it screws up, move them back out, and then start to narrow down to the specific file, and we'll work from there [02:36] yeah [02:37] any idea on some specific file to look for before i do that? [02:37] i figure some of them are more likely than others to be related to menus (like kwin or xorg stuff), but i'm not too familiar with the file structure of .kde as to know where certain files are [02:42] Greetings, all. [02:43] hey LINKSWORD2 [02:43] JKAbrams: not exactly sure, I've been questing through .kde to see if there is anything there, but I cna't find anything promising [02:44] Hey there, Linkmaster... Normally I hang out here for the heck of it, and help when I can... [02:44] But now I need help. :/ [02:44] Whats up? [02:45] what package I have to install to get the showdesktop widget¿ [02:46] braiam: that should be located inside the widget for 'add widgets' already [02:46] Linkmaster: i appreciate the effort, ive started merging the folders now, found the kopete profile, so now at least that back [02:47] log out then back in periodically so that we can attempt to find out where the borked file is [02:47] Linkmaster: nop, it show a red x icon instead of the widget [02:47] Kopete is a lot of fun, mate! I bet I can help you. :D [02:47] Oh, hrm... [02:48] LINKSWORD2: his session was borked, so I had him default everything, and now he's attempting to find which file is broken [02:48] Oh, ouch... [02:49] braiam: I'm not sure, let me look [02:49] dpkg -S would help Linkmaster [02:49] LINKSWORD2: all my menus in all applications were gone, but now i have them back, trying to backtrack [02:49] have you tried that? [02:50] I haven't installed the package [02:50] * Linkmaster thought it came default [02:50] You using a package manager? try looking up 'desktop-widget' [02:51] so, there is no dpkg info [02:52] braiam: uou don't have "Show Desktop" widget?? [02:53] you too [02:53] I have installed gnome first [02:53] i had that same issue and i don't remember how i solved it :( [02:53] after that i installed kde-base [02:54] oh, you have gnome first?? thats a different story, I'm not confident of what the reason would be [02:54] braiam: it shows the red X on top after trying to minimizing all windows and changing desktop isn't? [02:55] check if you have more 'minimizing windows' running on the panels.. [02:56] It says "Cannot find the component" [02:57] :showdesktop [02:58] braiam: Which version of Kubuntu are you on? [02:58] 11.04 [02:59] You should be able to re-acquire the Show Desktop panel then, by right-clicking your desktop and clicking Add Panel. [03:00] Then click Default Panel. [03:00] Then you can dispose of your current taskbar/panel once you're done. [03:01] braiam: you can use your pager (the widget which shows your virtual desktops) to show your desktop? Right click on pager -> Pager Settings -> Selecting current desktop: Shows desktop. === 36DABP5TT is now known as JKAbrams [03:03] LINKSWORD2: the add the defaul panel, don't show the show desktop widget [03:03] That's bizarre. Let me look around more, then. [03:04] you want a screen shot? [03:04] hmmm CTRL + F12 gives what you have.. the red X [03:04] probably some bug bugging [03:04] Did you try adding a new widget and searching for "Show" or "Desktop" in the search box? [03:04] im pretty sure that i don't have installed the plasma plugin [03:05] LINKSWORD2: i dont have the plugin listed anywhere [03:05] the same for quickaccess [03:05] LINKSWORD2: does CTRL + F12 works for you? [03:05] Hold on. [03:06] or you also get the red X.. [03:06] Looks like I also get the red X. [03:06] maybe we got the e-coli bacteria... :o [03:07] lcb: no.. [03:07] LINKSWORD2: that is suppose to minimize all wins [03:07] well, however my "Show Desktop" works fine [03:07] Ctrl-F12 brings up the Widget Dashboard header for me. [03:08] lcb: lock the file that it use, and use dpkg -S, it give the name of the package and we can discard that [03:08] I'm using a Windows keyboard, and have tied the Show Desktop shortcut to Windows Key + D. [03:09] LINKSWORD2: no, it only print the D key [03:09] LINKSWORD2: that's a good one. less ressources i believe [03:10] Kubuntu and other Linux distros I have used identify the "Windows" key as a Meta input. [03:10] Fine by me, it's just another name for the same 'ol thing. [03:10] yeah, but my layout are configured to a mac one [03:11] Mac keyboard? [03:11] gotta go, see ya guys round [03:11] yeah, and i have a pc keyboard [03:11] * LINKSWORD2 slaps Linkmaster with a keyboard, [03:11] Linkmaster: bye buddy. have a good sleep [03:12] lcb: no sleep for me :P [03:12] lmao [03:12] * Linkmaster stabs LINKSWORD2 with the first master sword [03:12] time to go too. my wife is complaining and probably whe'll brake me another keyboard [03:12] xDD [03:12] laters [03:12] ... I am the Master Sword. n00b. [03:13] bye LINKSWORD2 and braiam. braiam gnome 3 and KDE.... i've been there and didn't like the combo [03:13] :/ [03:13] it's going to make me crazy [03:13] in general, gnome3 and 11.04 [03:14] lcb: a dangerous one [03:14] :P [03:15] GNOME is OK, but I prefer KDE. [03:15] braiam: install Screenlets and use one of it to minimize. in meanwhile we'll discover what's going on [03:15] ok [03:16] bye guys. have fun while Kubuntuing :) [03:17] Surf's up! [03:46] LINKSWORD2, not here ...just rain [03:46] Haha [03:46] So, go surf the web. :) [03:47] Hehe. [03:56] LINKSWORD2: ty, for the help, but i resolved myself searching for the plasma plugins [03:57] :) You're welcome. [04:13] Back [04:13] Welcome back, Linkmaster === gary is now known as Guest13914 === matic is now known as Guest44657 [05:45] I'm surprised that with all the applications that have themes, Quassel is not one of them... [05:45] I like dark themes. :/ [05:46] it has the unTheme :) [05:46] ...WTF? [05:47] I was just making something up that sounded like it made sense [05:49] * LINKSWORD2 slaps SIR_Taco with an old AT power supply. [05:50] I would say that's re-volting ... but that's an awful joke [05:50] lol [05:53] Hey SIR_Taco, maybe you can tell me how to change the settings for the KDE Wallet so it's not always prompting me for password authentication? [05:55] LINKSWORD2: System Settings -> Account Details -> KDE Wallet... you can tweak it all there [05:56] LINKSWORD2: thats better advice then what I told you to do....xD [05:56] LMAO! [05:57] too... many... links..... lol [05:57] Yeah, bite me... [05:58] Hmm... That's odd. [05:59] what? [06:00] I went into the Account Details section and saw that my account doesn't have a user profile image. That being the case, I clicked on it to change it, and got a message back that says; "Your administrator has disabled this option." [06:00] .... I am the administrator! /FML [06:02] D: [06:02] maybe run that as kdesudo perhaps.... [06:03] It's an Ubuntu of sorts? [06:03] ... SIR_Taco, do you realize which IRC channel you are on? [06:03] -*- [06:05] yes... but in the past I would say that you never know haha [06:06] there are people that post to Kubuntu forums, that use Ubuntu.... because they say they get more prompt help :) [06:07] ... There's people that say the higher your education, the dumber you can be. [06:09] touche [06:12] There once was a guy named Jack, who thought he was the King of the World.... And then Titanic sank and he died.... [06:12] the end? [06:13] lol [06:13] Something like that.... [06:13] haha [06:13] how about..... [06:14] A Physicist, an engineer, and a statistician go deer hunting.... [06:14] I think you would like #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic ;P [06:14] haha ok [06:14] forget it [06:14] :) [06:18] anyway... LINKSWORD2, you can do "sudo kcmshell4 kwalletconfig" in konsole [06:20] KDE Wallet is now taken care of. My more recent problem is posted above. [06:21] more a riddle than a problem [06:22] I went into the Account Details section and saw that my account doesn't have a user profile image. That being the case, I clicked on it to change it, and got a message back that says; "Your administrator has disabled this option." [06:22] ... As pasted from above... [06:23] ah [06:23] sudo kcmshell4 kcm_useraccount [06:23] * Linkmaster again suggests 'kdesudo system settings' and going from there [06:24] well sure... do that [06:24] .... Maybe SIR_Taco should slap Linkmaster with a painful object. lol [06:24] :D [06:25] No... I think I thought that LINKSWORD2 was Linkmaster... my mistake lol [06:25] Too many Links running around for you? [06:25] * LINKSWORD2 *Facepalm* [06:26] yes, far too many links lol [06:26] figured that Linkmaster would have figured that one out though [06:26] :D [06:27] I mean really... you don't see too man Sir's running roung? haha [06:27] *around even [06:32] SIR_Taco: you know of a way that two people can privately chat online with minimal chances of being caught? Like, ssl on steriods or something? [06:33] lol [06:33] Linkmaster: getting caught in what context? lol [06:33] Hrmm... [06:33] EULA :P [06:33] Other people seeing what you are saying [06:33] Yeah. It's called a flash-based chat... Flash can't log history. [06:33] RUNESCAPE [06:33] wait, thats java.. [06:33] uhhmm [06:33] Linkmaster: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. [06:34] Linkmaster: chat text, voice, or video? [06:34] text [06:35] thank you FloodBotK1 you're my hero :) [06:35] LMAO! [06:35] * Linkmaster doesn't recall flooding [06:35] Linkmaster: Skype is encrypted and P2P.... so long as you don't attack Canada, go nuts :P [06:35] Hrm.. [06:37] SIR_Taco: of course, it goes through skype servers..have you ever read Little Brother by Corey Doctorow? [06:38] Linkmaster: the server establishes the connection, but the chats don't go through the server... they go direct to the other person... [06:39] I'm wanting to go into finer details with people about hacking the ZuneHD, but I don't want corporate whatnot breathing down my back. I'm basically trying to figure out how to get it to work with Linux, preferably by finding the key for the 'secret handshake' [06:41] I would like to say: just make a website and go from there.... but I know litigation (warrented or not) is a possibility, even if you've never seen the source/etc. [06:42] and it's major $ [06:43] Still... the way Skype is designed (unless MS changes it), is that the communication is done between users and not through a server [06:43] You just named why I didn't want to use skype, haha :P [06:44] Linkmaster: well I figured, but until/unless they change it, it's a good bet [06:44] Hm, true.. [06:44] Here, look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1209892.html [06:44] these guys were starting to go somewhere with it [06:45] http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 Don't think much... [06:45] Linkmaster: and what happened to them? [06:46] nothing that I can see, just that the topic got archived [06:46] Linkmaster: where are you? the US? [06:47] yeah, hence why I'm so paranoid [06:47] ah ok, fair enough [06:47] If I were outside the US, I'd be pulling a 'thepiratebay' right now [06:47] Social fingers up, torrents out xD [06:48] Linkmaster: not sure about that.... but there are quite a few countries, mine included, that aren't as harsh on reverse-engineering [06:48] Yeahh, mine is a killer [06:50] Of course, I have no money, I'm not even legal enough to travel, and I have other plans with my future. I'm just wanting to see if I can do it during my time at home :P [06:53] Times have changed..... there was a time when I hacked websites and did stupid things (but then they had few ways to catch you, and fewer laws to prosectue you).... now, I wouldn't think about it. But reverse engineering something is still a legal option up here [06:53] hmm [06:56] unknown: how's the 'hmm' treating you? [06:57] SIR_Taco: though, by reading many different posts and the such, I can say with 100% accuracy that the ZuneHD waits for the key to come from the software. I can see and access the files on my Zune from Linux with the libmtp, but since it needs that specific key to allow write-access....to find that key would be gold in the linux world [06:57] Just tesing kubuntu out [06:57] testing* [06:58] Linkmaster: yes it would, but you need to understand that it's not an easy key ;) [06:58] I'm well aware of how M$ runs things..huh...I wonder if... [07:00] SIR_Taco: theres programs to capture all transmissions done on a USB port, correct? wouldn't it be possible to simply copy the entire hash of junk that the Zune software spits out, and then using linux, spit the same copy/pasted stuff? just a simple idea that I'm sure would be worth trying out.. [07:02] Linkmaster: not exactly unfortunately [07:03] hm, didn't think so. figured that I could see though [07:03] and I know that brute-forcing the key[while it will eventually get the answer] will take way to long.. [07:04] Linkmaster: probably longer than I've been alive or more :) [07:05] Yeahh, especially if they use a super strong key[which they probably do] [07:05] I wish they did somethign dumb, like iPod did, you know...512bit key? xD [07:06] lol [07:06] that wasn't dumb... they firgured it out via hardware... then later software flaws [07:06] How about a 128-bit key? lol [07:08] Nono, I meant like iPod encrypted it of course, just not the strongest key. some russians bought an iPod, took it apart, slipped the flash thingy into their computer, and brute-forced the key [07:08] LINKSWORD2: 128 is starting to sound like WEP here... [07:09] Linkmaster: not quite [07:10] Linkmaster: they brute forced weak passwords holding the keys [07:10] SIR_Taco: I mean, the Zune has already been hacked, look here: http://www.zuneboards.com/?p=vB50442 its just a matter of getting that one key. if that could be found, then...answer solved [07:11] Linkmaster: the "Master Key" as it's called, is not easily found [07:11] To find this answer I'm actually going to have to boot up my Winblows. darn, been able to let it rot for 20 days now [07:11] LMAO! [07:11] SIR_Taco: its meant not to be :D [07:12] Linkmaster: yes I know... but I don't think you understand the depth of the problem.... having said that I hope you solve it, but it's not a weeked project [07:13] I know its not a weekend project, I know its probably barely a summers project. but I'd like to at least contribute something to Linux, and well....if it means I find this, then heck. a lot of people will be happy[I know that quite a few dual-booters only do so for the zune] [07:14] Linkmaster: most programming is scratching an itch... if this is your itch than have at 'er :) [07:14] * Linkmaster is going to need to learn very quickly as well..he's dabbled in far to many languages [07:15] now I'm in a Great Big Sea mood... lol [07:16] whats that mean? [07:17] Linkmaster: it's a band [07:17] ok [07:18] Oh, I linked you to that OpenZDK thing..having access to the entire Zunes innards, while it still being able to sync with the Zune software was a big deal...using the same lines, couldn't the "I need yyyy key to have write-access' simply be...remove? [07:18] * Linkmaster knows that this probably won't work, but is still throwing the idea around [07:19] Linkmaster: I really think you're stuck unless you can find the master key.... but honestly that's just me speculating [07:20] SIR_Taco: thats where I end up going myself [07:21] Linux has much more power then Win* has...I can sort of view whats in the Zune with Dolphin...maybe, using the right tools, I can get a look into the OS of the Zune...having done that, I can search for the place of the 'key' and then..having the zuneHD key, go backwards to find the software key? [07:23] I really need to think harder as to how to explain the complexity of this to you [07:24] SIR_Taco: Don't think I don't understand the complexity. I'm critical thinking here, running out the ideas that won't work [07:24]