[00:02] <robb4n> Hi, is there any way to disable the cursor jumping arrow thing in KDE when i open an program?
[00:04] <James147> robb4n: the bouncing animation?
[00:04] <robb4n> James147: Yes, thanks for the correct word =)
[00:05] <James147> robb4n: I rembmer there was a way... though i cannot remember off hand exactly where :)
[00:05] <robb4n> ok, now when i know the word: bouncing i will try google it =) thanks anyway James147
[00:06] <James147> robb4n: System settings > Application and system notifications > launcher feedback
[00:06] <lcb> "Launch Feedback"
[00:06] <lcb> look for it on settings
[00:06] <robb4n> Thanks
[00:07] <robb4n> done, ah nice to not have that jumping stuff =) nice to have it gone
[00:08] <lcb> robb4n: btw, look also under Cursor Theme" and Mouse | Mouse Navigation
[00:08] <ncfi1013> hey
[00:08] <lcb> i mean, Mouse.... then check settings on it
[00:09] <lcb> hey
[00:09] <ncfi1013> i need some help
[00:09] <Linkmaster> with?
[00:09] <lcb> that's a good start
[00:09] <Linkmaster> Usually
[00:09] <ncfi1013> i am upgrading my distro
[00:09] <Linkmaster> What happened with it?
[00:09] <Linkmaster> Or do you simply want to?
[00:10] <lcb> wait.. still upgrading
[00:10] <lcb> :)
[00:10] <ncfi1013> and im being asked if i want to keep or replace the kdrmc config file
[00:10] <ncfi1013> so...keep...or replace...?
[00:10] <ncfi1013> thats all...
[00:11] <ncfi1013> and i know im late...but whatever
[00:11] <James147> ncfi1013: that  file stores the settings for the login screen, if you ahve changed them ata ll choose keep
[00:11] <James147> ncfi1013: if you want them to be reset choose replace... either way it dosnt really matter
[00:11] <Linkmaster> ncfi1013: keeping is generally good, unless you want to redo it all. It won't matter too much in the end
[00:12] <James147> ncfi1013: I doupt you will notice a difference if you ahvent heavly customised the login screen :)
[00:12] <ncfi1013> so...if i didnt change my password/username...dont replace it...right?
[00:13] <James147> ncfi1013: the login manager dosnt handel username/password storing... thats handel by lower level tools in a far more secure way :)
[00:14] <James147> ncfi1013: just so you know, login details are stored in /etc/passwd and the password hashes for each account are stroed in /etc/shadow
[00:14] <James147> though you shount edit though files by hand :)
[00:14] <ncfi1013> thanks...
[00:15] <ncfi1013> bye...
[00:18] <Linkmaster> James147: he was an odd fellow..
[00:18] <lcb> bif i have on my printers.conf 'DeviceURI socket://192.168.1.200' and the printer needs login:pass - if i change to 'socket://Mylogin:MyPassword@192.168.1.200' it will work or... maybe i'll turn the printer on a x-ray machine? :o
[00:19] <lcb> can't test it now, i'm not where i have that printer
[00:19] <lcb> but i wonder if works..
[00:20] <Linkmaster> Huh..thats an interesting concept, I wouldn't know though
[00:20] <lcb> either way i would be happy; printer or x-ray
[00:21] <lcb> to run as a x-ray and do a torax one, just need to turn it up
[00:22] <lcb> an expensive machine with no linux drivers, afaik - http://www.olivettibenelux.com/products/multifunctional-copier-color/37-d-color-mf201.html
[01:10] <JKAbrams> hello, I got a problem after upgrading kubuntu from 10.10 to 11.04, the menus have disappeared in all applications
[01:10] <JKAbrams> you know the File, Edit, Tools etc.
[01:11] <JKAbrams> when using x-applications as root I get the menus back (for example krusader in root mode works)
[01:11] <JKAbrams> tried changeing permissions on /home/<user>/* to <user> but no go
[01:12] <JKAbrams> any idea what to try next?
[01:13] <Linkmaster> what applications are not showing?
[01:13] <JKAbrams> all ive tried
[01:14] <JKAbrams> kwrite, quassel firefox dolphin etc
[01:15] <Linkmaster> Hm, let me tinker around with it
[01:16] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: are you using FF4?
[01:16] <JKAbrams> yes
[01:17] <Linkmaster> That could be one reason. Click the little 'firefox' thing in the upper left corner, and click on 'preferences' and then select 'menu bar'. that will [hopefully] solve your firefox one
[01:17] <JKAbrams> ok I'll try that :)
[01:18] <Linkmaster> I'll continue hunting as to why your other menu icons aren't showing
[01:19] <JKAbrams> I have no option "preferences" on the dropdown under the firefox icon
[01:19] <Linkmaster> Hm, thats awkward...
[01:19] <JKAbrams> i have configure window behaivour, is that the one?
[01:20] <Linkmaster> perhaps you didn't set it up that way, hm. Let me think
[01:21] <JKAbrams> this dropdown menu I get on the icon is the same as I get when right-clicking on the titlebar
[01:22] <JKAbrams> a generic window-manager menu
[01:22] <Linkmaster> Oh, not that menu
[01:22] <Linkmaster> lets try renaming your .config file real fast to see if that brings them up
[01:23] <JKAbrams> sure, which one?
[01:23] <Linkmaster> go to dolphin, press "alt+." and then find the '.config' folder, and rename it to '.config-old'
[01:24] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: you find it?
[01:24] <JKAbrams> nope
[01:24] <JKAbrams> maby i've disabled that shortcut, or something eles is up whith it, cus nothing happens
[01:25] <Linkmaster> okay, is Dolphin still up?
[01:25] <JKAbrams> yep
[01:25] <JKAbrams> in what folder is this config-file?
[01:25] <Linkmaster> ~
[01:26] <Linkmaster> its a folder, in your home directory
[01:26] <Linkmaster> I didn't mention that, since Dolphin starts straight to the home directory
[01:27] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: make sure your in your home directory[where Music, Documents, etc. is] and then press and hold 'alt' and then press the period button. see if that works
[01:28] <JKAbrams> that one worked, thx
[01:28] <JKAbrams> now i know how to show hidden files
[01:28] <JKAbrams> whitout the menu :)
[01:28] <Linkmaster> okay, now find the .config folder, and rename it to '.config-old'
[01:29] <Linkmaster> your welcome haha
[01:29] <JKAbrams> done
[01:29] <JKAbrams> done
[01:29] <JKAbrams> ok
[01:29] <Linkmaster> okay, now, log out and then back in. Lets see if that works
[01:29] <JKAbrams> done
[01:30] <Linkmaster> You logged out?
[01:30] <JKAbrams> now there is something stange with quassel...
[01:30] <Linkmaster> what?
[01:31] <JKAbrams> nod if you get what i'm saying, cus i get nothing in the chat-window =P
[01:31] <JKAbrams> hehe, i try restarting this app see if that helps, back in a minute
[01:33] <Linkmaster> you there now?
[01:34] <JKAbrams_> yes, i renamed the config folder
[01:34] <Linkmaster> okay, now, log out and back in to your session
[01:35] <JKAbrams_> aight, you know changing the config -folder made quassel stop working, so i copied over the old quassel config-folder so i could  get back in here again
[01:36] <JKAbrams_> i'll try logging in again, back in another minute
[01:38] <JKAbrams> i'm sad to report that did not help
[01:38] <JKAbrams> still no menus
[01:39] <JKAbrams> i did a logout/login could there make a difference to restart the computer instead?
[01:40] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: possibly could, though did you keep the folder named as '.config-old'?
[01:40] <JKAbrams> of course, i've invested too much time in those settings and profiles ;)
[01:41] <Linkmaster> Hmm...maybe if we can get a default desktop on your computer, we can see if its still borked that way
[01:43] <JKAbrams> yeah, my hunch is that it is a problem with some config file or other, but i dont know them enough to know where to start looking
[01:43] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: this is what we'll do. We'll power off your computer, and when you bring it back online, before you log in, we'll default your desktop
[01:45] <Linkmaster> when you get to KDM, press "alt+ctrl+F1" and then login that way. Once you do, type "mv /home/"your_user_name"/.kde /home/"your_user_name"/.kde-old" once you do that, go back to KDM with "alt+ctrl+F7" and then login. It should default everything you have
[01:45] <Linkmaster> and write that stuff down so that you don't forget it, and remember, capitilization matters
[01:46] <JKAbrams> ok, i'll try moving my .kde folder
[01:47] <Linkmaster> you have to restart first though
[01:47] <Linkmaster> this shouldn't be done through Dolphin or anything
[01:47] <JKAbrams> yep, i'll use your suggested method :)
[01:48] <JKAbrams> might take me about 5 minutes i think, i'll report back when its done
[01:48] <Linkmaster> alright, good
[01:55] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: yes, no?
[01:55] <JKAbrams> i'm back, and my menus too :D
[01:56] <JKAbrams> but not my application profiles
[01:56] <JKAbrams> are they stored in .config?
[01:56] <Linkmaster> alright, good. Well, like I said. we were defaulting your entire session
[01:56] <Linkmaster> No those aren't. I believe your good to rename .config-old back to .config
[01:57] <JKAbrams> quassels profile was in .config
[01:57] <Linkmaster> hmm...im not sure
[01:57] <Linkmaster> I was just doing basic troubleshooting :P
[02:00] <JKAbrams> yep, i learned a few things along the way, any suggested path for merging my new .kde and the old one?
[02:01] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: you can either redo all your custom stuff, or we can spend the time to merge one thing at a time to figure out what went wrong where
[02:02] <lcb> wow
[02:03] <lcb> JKAbrams: you know Linkmaster gets paid by the word??
[02:03] <Linkmaster> lcb: hush
[02:03] <lcb> hehehe
[02:03] <JKAbrams> :)
[02:03] <JKAbrams> thats quite an offer
[02:04] <lcb> good job
 i'm back, and my menus too :D
[02:04] <JKAbrams> the application settings (like size, color and shortcuts) I can do again, but I need to figure out a way to get my user profiles back (saved passwords, user account settings and the like)
[02:04] <Linkmaster> your making me seem like I know what I'm talking about...:P
[02:04] <lcb> lol
[02:05] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: most of that should still be there...let me take a look though
[02:05] <lcb> you know. don't be so modest
[02:06] <JKAbrams> i'll start by renaming the .config-old -folder back and than a resterat, to see if the menus are still with me
[02:07] <JKAbrams> back in a couple
[02:07] <Linkmaster> alright
[02:12] <JKAbrams> menus still here, the problem was is in some config-file in .kde
[02:14] <Linkmaster> Hm, thats both easier and more difficult
[02:15] <JKAbrams> still alot of my profiles are missing (kopete for example), i could do a comparasion between the files in .kde and .kde-old to see what have changed
[02:15] <Linkmaster> none of your passwords are around anymoer?
[02:15] <JKAbrams> let me see...
[02:15] <JKAbrams> remembered ssh-passwored are missing
[02:16] <JKAbrams> (sftp-connection from dolphin)
[02:16] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: go to your '.kde-old' folder through a konsole, and ls -al for us, then pastbin it
[02:17] <JKAbrams> ok
[02:19] <JKAbrams> http://paste.kde.org/78061/
[02:21] <JKAbrams> or did you want the full -R listing?
[02:22] <braiam> how i can see a map of my current layout?
[02:24] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: I'm not sure..I really don't think passwords are saved in .kde...maybe...hm. Try moving the three files that have symbolic links back into .kde. see what that does
[02:25] <JKAbrams> ok
[02:27] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: you might need to log out for it to take full effect
[02:27] <JKAbrams> they point to the same folders
[02:27] <Linkmaster> oh. Hrm..
[02:27] <JKAbrams> i mean all the links in .kde and .kde-old are the same
[02:30] <Linkmaster> yeah, they are the same folders, but .kde has a new slate if that makes sense. all the subfolders in .kde-old won't be in .kde
[02:30] <JKAbrams> perhaps i
[02:30] <JKAbrams> *oops
[02:31] <JKAbrams> i know what you mean, i just meant the symbolic links are the same
[02:32] <Linkmaster> yeah, I figured as much
[02:32] <JKAbrams> i just did a content comparasion in krusader thera are about 3800 files differing between .kde and .kde-old
[02:32] <Linkmaster> I told you :P
[02:34] <JKAbrams> yep, i might just start copying them over, from .kde-old to .kde new, and se when the problem with the meny reappears...
[02:35] <Linkmaster> That was the second, longer plan that would hopefully not happen. but if you wish to try it, please do so. you might need to login/logout for every file copied, so I'd suggest larger folers. when it screws up, move them back out, and then start to narrow down to the specific file, and we'll work from there
[02:36] <JKAbrams> yeah
[02:37] <JKAbrams> any idea on some specific file to look for before i do that?
[02:37] <JKAbrams> i figure some of them are more likely than others to be related to menus (like kwin or xorg stuff), but i'm not too familiar with the file structure of .kde as to know where certain files are
[02:42] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings, all.
[02:43] <Linkmaster> hey LINKSWORD2
[02:43] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: not exactly sure, I've been questing through .kde to see if there is anything there, but I cna't find anything promising
[02:44] <LINKSWORD2> Hey there, Linkmaster... Normally I hang out here for the heck of it, and help when I can...
[02:44] <LINKSWORD2> But now I need help. :/
[02:44] <Linkmaster> Whats up?
[02:45] <braiam> what package I have to install to get the showdesktop widget¿
[02:46] <Linkmaster> braiam: that should be located inside the widget for 'add widgets' already
[02:46] <JKAbrams> Linkmaster: i appreciate the effort, ive started merging the folders now, found the kopete profile, so now at least that back
[02:47] <Linkmaster> log out then back in periodically so that we can attempt to find out where the borked file is
[02:47] <braiam> Linkmaster: nop, it show a red x icon instead of the widget
[02:47] <LINKSWORD2> Kopete is a lot of fun, mate! I bet I can help you. :D
[02:47] <Linkmaster> Oh, hrm...
[02:48] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: his session was borked, so I had him default everything, and now he's attempting to find which file is broken
[02:48] <LINKSWORD2> Oh, ouch...
[02:49] <Linkmaster> braiam: I'm not sure, let me look
[02:49] <braiam> dpkg -S would help Linkmaster
[02:49] <JKAbrams> LINKSWORD2: all my menus in all applications were gone, but now i have them back, trying to backtrack
[02:49] <Linkmaster> have you tried that?
[02:50] <braiam> I haven't installed the package
[02:50]  * Linkmaster thought it came default
[02:50] <Linkmaster> You using a package manager? try looking up 'desktop-widget'
[02:51] <braiam> so, there is no dpkg info
[02:52] <lcb> braiam: uou don't have "Show Desktop" widget??
[02:53] <lcb> you too
[02:53] <braiam> I have installed gnome first
[02:53] <lcb> i had that same issue and i don't remember how i solved it :(
[02:53] <braiam> after that i installed kde-base
[02:54] <Linkmaster> oh, you have gnome first?? thats a different story, I'm not confident of what the reason would be
[02:54] <lcb> braiam: it shows the red X on top after trying to minimizing all windows and changing desktop isn't?
[02:55] <lcb> check if you have more 'minimizing windows' running on the panels..
[02:56] <braiam> It says "Cannot find the component"
[02:57] <braiam> :showdesktop
[02:58] <LINKSWORD2> braiam: Which version of Kubuntu are you on?
[02:58] <braiam> 11.04
[02:59] <LINKSWORD2> You should be able to re-acquire the Show Desktop panel then, by right-clicking your desktop and clicking Add Panel.
[03:00] <LINKSWORD2> Then click Default Panel.
[03:00] <LINKSWORD2> Then you can dispose of your current taskbar/panel once you're done.
[03:01] <lcb> braiam: you can use your pager (the widget which shows your virtual desktops) to show your desktop? Right click on pager -> Pager Settings -> Selecting current desktop: Shows desktop.
[03:03] <braiam> LINKSWORD2: the add the defaul panel, don't show the show desktop widget
[03:03] <LINKSWORD2> That's bizarre. Let me look around more, then.
[03:04] <braiam> you want a screen shot?
[03:04] <lcb> hmmm CTRL + F12 gives what you have.. the red X
[03:04] <lcb> probably some bug bugging
[03:04] <LINKSWORD2> Did you try adding a new widget and searching for "Show" or "Desktop" in the search box?
[03:04] <braiam> im pretty sure that i don't have installed the plasma plugin
[03:05] <braiam> LINKSWORD2: i dont have the plugin listed anywhere
[03:05] <braiam> the same for quickaccess
[03:05] <lcb> LINKSWORD2: does CTRL + F12 works for you?
[03:05] <LINKSWORD2> Hold on.
[03:06] <lcb> or you also get the red X..
[03:06] <LINKSWORD2> Looks like I also get the red X.
[03:06] <lcb> maybe we got the e-coli bacteria... :o
[03:07] <braiam> lcb: no..
[03:07] <lcb> LINKSWORD2: that is suppose to minimize all wins
[03:07] <lcb> well, however my "Show Desktop" works fine
[03:07] <LINKSWORD2> Ctrl-F12 brings up the Widget Dashboard header for me.
[03:08] <braiam> lcb: lock the file that it use, and use dpkg -S, it give the name of the package and we can discard that
[03:08] <LINKSWORD2> I'm using a Windows keyboard, and have tied the Show Desktop shortcut to Windows Key + D.
[03:09] <braiam> LINKSWORD2: no, it only print the D key
[03:09] <lcb> LINKSWORD2: that's a good one. less ressources i believe
[03:10] <LINKSWORD2> Kubuntu and other Linux distros I have used identify the "Windows" key as a Meta input.
[03:10] <LINKSWORD2> Fine by me, it's just another name for the same 'ol thing.
[03:10] <braiam> yeah, but my layout are configured to a mac one
[03:11] <LINKSWORD2> Mac keyboard?
[03:11] <Linkmaster> gotta go, see ya guys round
[03:11] <braiam> yeah, and i have a pc keyboard
[03:11]  * LINKSWORD2 slaps Linkmaster with a keyboard,
[03:11] <lcb> Linkmaster: bye buddy. have a good sleep
[03:12] <Linkmaster> lcb: no sleep for me :P
[03:12] <LINKSWORD2> lmao
[03:12]  * Linkmaster stabs LINKSWORD2 with the first master sword
[03:12] <lcb> time to go too. my wife is complaining and probably whe'll brake me another keyboard
[03:12] <Linkmaster> xDD
[03:12] <Linkmaster> laters
[03:12] <LINKSWORD2> ... I am the Master Sword. n00b.
[03:13] <lcb> bye LINKSWORD2 and braiam. braiam gnome 3 and KDE.... i've been there and didn't like the combo
[03:13] <braiam> :/
[03:13] <braiam> it's going to make me crazy
[03:13] <lcb> in general, gnome3 and 11.04
[03:14] <braiam> lcb: a dangerous one
[03:14] <braiam> :P
[03:15] <LINKSWORD2> GNOME is OK, but I prefer KDE.
[03:15] <lcb> braiam: install Screenlets and use one of it to minimize. in meanwhile we'll discover what's going on
[03:15] <braiam> ok
[03:16] <lcb> bye guys. have fun while Kubuntuing :)
[03:17] <LINKSWORD2> Surf's up!
[03:46] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, not here ...just rain
[03:46] <LINKSWORD2> Haha
[03:46] <LINKSWORD2> So, go surf the web. :)
[03:47] <LINKSWORD2> Hehe.
[03:56] <braiam> LINKSWORD2: ty, for the help, but i resolved myself searching for the plasma plugins
[03:57] <LINKSWORD2> :) You're welcome.
[04:13] <Linkmaster> Back
[04:13] <LINKSWORD2>  Welcome back, Linkmaster
[05:45] <LINKSWORD2> I'm surprised that with all the applications that have themes, Quassel is not one of them...
[05:45] <LINKSWORD2> I like dark themes. :/
[05:46] <SIR_Taco> it has the unTheme :)
[05:46] <LINKSWORD2> ...WTF?
[05:47] <SIR_Taco> I was just making something up that sounded like it made sense
[05:49]  * LINKSWORD2 slaps SIR_Taco with an old AT power supply.
[05:50] <SIR_Taco> I would say that's re-volting ... but that's an awful joke
[05:50] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[05:53] <LINKSWORD2> Hey SIR_Taco, maybe you can tell me how to change the settings for the KDE Wallet so it's not always prompting me for password authentication?
[05:55] <SIR_Taco> LINKSWORD2: System Settings -> Account Details -> KDE Wallet... you can tweak it all there
[05:56] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: thats better advice then what I told you to do....xD
[05:56] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO!
[05:57] <SIR_Taco> too... many... links..... lol
[05:57] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, bite me...
[05:58] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm... That's odd.
[05:59] <Linkmaster> what?
[06:00] <LINKSWORD2> I went into the Account Details section and saw that my account doesn't have a user profile image. That being the case, I clicked on it to change it, and got a message back that says; "Your administrator has disabled this option."
[06:00] <LINKSWORD2> .... I am the administrator! /FML
[06:02] <Linkmaster> D:
[06:02] <Linkmaster> maybe run that as kdesudo perhaps....
[06:03] <SIR_Taco> It's an Ubuntu of sorts?
[06:03] <LINKSWORD2> ... SIR_Taco, do you realize which IRC channel you are on?
[06:03] <LINKSWORD2> -*-
[06:05] <SIR_Taco> yes... but in the past I would say that you never know haha
[06:06] <SIR_Taco> there are people that post to Kubuntu forums, that use Ubuntu.... because they say they get more prompt help :)
[06:07] <LINKSWORD2> ... There's people that say the higher your education, the dumber you can be.
[06:09] <SIR_Taco> touche
[06:12] <LINKSWORD2> There once was a guy named Jack, who thought he was the King of the World.... And then Titanic sank and he died....
[06:12] <SIR_Taco> the end?
[06:13] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[06:13] <LINKSWORD2> Something like that....
[06:13] <SIR_Taco> haha
[06:13] <SIR_Taco> how about.....
[06:14] <SIR_Taco> A Physicist, an engineer, and a statistician go deer hunting....
[06:14] <rww> I think you would like #ubuntu-offtopic or #kubuntu-offtopic ;P
[06:14] <SIR_Taco> haha ok
[06:14] <SIR_Taco> forget it
[06:14] <SIR_Taco> :)
[06:18] <SIR_Taco> anyway... LINKSWORD2, you can do "sudo kcmshell4 kwalletconfig" in konsole
[06:20] <LINKSWORD2> KDE Wallet is now taken care of. My more recent problem is posted above.
[06:21] <SIR_Taco> more a riddle than a problem
[06:22] <LINKSWORD2> I went into the Account Details section and saw that my account doesn't have a user profile image. That being the case, I clicked on it to change it, and got a message back that says; "Your administrator has disabled this option."
[06:22] <LINKSWORD2> ... As pasted from above...
[06:23] <SIR_Taco> ah
[06:23] <SIR_Taco> sudo kcmshell4 kcm_useraccount
[06:23]  * Linkmaster again suggests 'kdesudo system settings' and going from there
[06:24] <SIR_Taco> well sure... do that
[06:24] <LINKSWORD2> .... Maybe SIR_Taco should slap Linkmaster with a painful object. lol
[06:24] <Linkmaster> :D
[06:25] <SIR_Taco> No... I think I thought that LINKSWORD2 was Linkmaster... my mistake lol
[06:25] <Linkmaster> Too many Links running around for you?
[06:25]  * LINKSWORD2 *Facepalm*
[06:26] <SIR_Taco> yes, far too many links lol
[06:26] <SIR_Taco> figured that Linkmaster would have figured that one out though
[06:26] <Linkmaster> :D
[06:27] <SIR_Taco> I mean really... you don't see too man Sir's running roung? haha
[06:27] <SIR_Taco> *around even
[06:32] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: you know of a way that two people can privately chat online with minimal chances of being caught? Like, ssl on steriods or something?
[06:33] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[06:33] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: getting caught in what context? lol
[06:33] <Linkmaster> Hrmm...
[06:33] <Linkmaster> EULA :P
[06:33] <Unit193> Other people seeing what you are saying
[06:33] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah. It's called a flash-based chat... Flash can't log history.
[06:33] <Linkmaster> RUNESCAPE
[06:33] <Linkmaster> wait, thats java..
[06:33] <Linkmaster> uhhmm
[06:33] <FloodBotK1> Linkmaster: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:34] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: chat text, voice, or video?
[06:34] <Linkmaster> text
[06:35] <SIR_Taco> thank you FloodBotK1 you're my hero :)
[06:35] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO!
[06:35]  * Linkmaster doesn't recall flooding
[06:35] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: Skype is encrypted and P2P.... so long as you don't attack Canada, go nuts :P
[06:35] <Linkmaster> Hrm..
[06:37] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: of course, it goes through skype servers..have you ever read Little Brother by Corey Doctorow?
[06:38] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: the server establishes the connection, but the chats don't go through the server... they go direct to the other person...
[06:39] <Linkmaster> I'm wanting to go into finer details with people about hacking the ZuneHD, but I don't want corporate whatnot breathing down my back. I'm basically trying to figure out how to get it to work with Linux, preferably by finding the key for the 'secret handshake'
[06:41] <SIR_Taco> I would like to say:  just make a website and go from there.... but I know litigation (warrented or not) is a possibility, even if you've never seen the source/etc.
[06:42] <SIR_Taco> and it's major $
[06:43] <SIR_Taco> Still... the way Skype is designed (unless MS changes it), is that the communication is done between users and not through a server
[06:43] <Linkmaster> You just named why I didn't want to use skype, haha :P
[06:44] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: well I figured, but until/unless they change it, it's a good bet
[06:44] <Linkmaster> Hm, true..
[06:44] <Linkmaster> Here, look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1209892.html
[06:44] <Linkmaster> these guys were starting to go somewhere with it
[06:45] <Unit193> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6848.0 Don't think much...
[06:45] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: and what happened to them?
[06:46] <Linkmaster> nothing that I can see, just that the topic got archived
[06:46] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: where are you? the US?
[06:47] <Linkmaster> yeah, hence why I'm so paranoid
[06:47] <SIR_Taco> ah ok, fair enough
[06:47] <Linkmaster> If I were outside the US, I'd be pulling a 'thepiratebay' right now
[06:47] <Linkmaster> Social fingers up, torrents out xD
[06:48] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: not sure about that.... but there are quite a few countries, mine included, that aren't as harsh on reverse-engineering
[06:48] <Linkmaster> Yeahh, mine is a killer
[06:50] <Linkmaster> Of course, I have no money, I'm not even legal enough to travel, and I have other plans with my future. I'm just wanting to see if I can do it during my time at home :P
[06:53] <SIR_Taco> Times have changed..... there was a time when I hacked websites and did stupid things (but then they had few ways to catch you, and fewer laws to prosectue you).... now, I wouldn't think about it. But reverse engineering something is still a legal option up here
[06:53] <unknown> hmm
[06:56] <SIR_Taco> unknown: how's the 'hmm' treating you?
[06:57] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: though, by reading many different posts and the such, I can say with 100% accuracy that the ZuneHD waits for the key to come from the software. I can see and access the files on my Zune from Linux with the libmtp, but since it needs that specific key to allow write-access....to find that key would be gold in the linux world
[06:57] <unknown> Just tesing kubuntu out
[06:57] <unknown> testing*
[06:58] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: yes it would, but you need to understand that it's not an easy key ;)
[06:58] <Linkmaster> I'm well aware of how M$ runs things..huh...I wonder if...
[07:00] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: theres programs to capture all transmissions done on a USB port, correct? wouldn't it be possible to simply copy the entire hash of junk that the Zune software spits out, and then using linux, spit the same copy/pasted stuff?  just a simple idea that I'm sure would be worth trying out..
[07:02] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: not exactly unfortunately
[07:03] <Linkmaster> hm, didn't think so. figured that I could see though
[07:03] <Linkmaster> and I know that brute-forcing the key[while it will eventually get the answer] will take way to long..
[07:04] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: probably longer than I've been alive or more :)
[07:05] <Linkmaster> Yeahh, especially if they use a super strong key[which they probably do]
[07:05] <Linkmaster> I wish they did somethign dumb, like iPod did, you know...512bit key? xD
[07:06] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[07:06] <SIR_Taco> that wasn't dumb... they firgured it out via hardware... then later software flaws
[07:06] <LINKSWORD2> How about a 128-bit key? lol
[07:08] <Linkmaster> Nono, I meant like iPod encrypted it of course, just not the strongest key. some russians bought an iPod, took it apart, slipped the flash thingy into their computer, and brute-forced the key
[07:08] <Linkmaster> LINKSWORD2: 128 is starting to sound like WEP here...
[07:09] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: not quite
[07:10] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: they brute forced weak passwords holding the keys
[07:10] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I mean, the Zune has already been hacked, look here: http://www.zuneboards.com/?p=vB50442 its just a matter of getting that one key. if that could be found, then...answer solved
[07:11] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: the "Master Key" as it's called, is not easily found
[07:11] <Linkmaster> To find this answer I'm actually going to have to boot up my Winblows. darn, been able to let it rot for 20 days now
[07:11] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO!
[07:11] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: its meant not to be :D
[07:12] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster:  yes I know... but I don't think you understand the depth of the problem.... having said that I hope you solve it, but it's not a weeked project
[07:13] <Linkmaster> I know its not a weekend project, I know its probably barely a summers project. but I'd like to at least contribute something to Linux, and well....if it means I find this, then heck. a lot of people will be happy[I know that quite a few dual-booters only do so for the zune]
[07:14] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: most programming is scratching an itch... if this is your itch than have at 'er :)
[07:14]  * Linkmaster is going to need to learn very quickly as well..he's dabbled in far to many languages
[07:15] <SIR_Taco> now I'm in a Great Big Sea mood... lol
[07:16] <Linkmaster> whats that mean?
[07:17] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: it's a band
[07:17] <Linkmaster> ok
[07:18] <Linkmaster> Oh, I linked you to that OpenZDK thing..having access to the entire Zunes innards, while it still being able to sync with the Zune software was a big deal...using the same lines, couldn't the "I need yyyy key to have write-access' simply be...remove?
[07:18]  * Linkmaster knows that this probably won't work, but is still throwing the idea around
[07:19] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: I really think you're stuck unless you can find the master key.... but honestly that's just me speculating
[07:20] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: thats where I end up going myself
[07:21] <Linkmaster> Linux has much more power then Win* has...I can sort of view whats in the Zune with Dolphin...maybe, using the right tools, I can get a look into the OS of the Zune...having done that, I can search for the place of the 'key' and then..having the zuneHD key, go backwards to find the software key?
[07:23] <SIR_Taco> I really need to think harder as to how to explain the complexity of this to you
[07:24] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: Don't think I don't understand the complexity. I'm critical thinking here, running out the ideas that won't work
[07:24] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: that's not what I meant exactly
[07:25] <StepNjump> Hi guys, I cannot connect to the internet any more.. Anyone familiar with networking here tonight?
[07:25] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: dont' worry, I'm not offended (:
[07:25] <Linkmaster> StepNjump: depends..give us some more information and we can help
[07:26] <StepNjump> Well, it's been a long time Linkmaster. It's an old kubuntu box that I would like to put back in service but I forget what I used to do back then to reconnect the lan back on. I used to type something in the terminal...
[07:27] <Linkmaster> StepNjump: you can try to scan your network if its hidden, but we don't know much to give advice to
[07:27] <StepNjump> When I do a ifconfig linkmaster, I get inet adr: 127.0.0.1
[07:27] <Linkmaster> local port? thats awkward..
[07:27] <Linkmaster> *address that is
[07:27] <StepNjump> From what I remember, it stopped working after I installed a firewall.. It's vague
[07:28] <SIR_Taco> if it's old (and an old Linux install) it's probably just "dhcpd"
[07:28] <StepNjump> Linkmaster, yes I used to do something to get it started
[07:28] <StepNjump> YES!
[07:28] <StepNjump> that's it SIR_TACO
[07:28] <StepNjump> I think it was that
[07:29] <SIR_Taco> should be :)
[07:29] <StepNjump> SIR_TACO nope... it's not installed
[07:29] <StepNjump> It was similar to that though
[07:29] <StepNjump> I wrote it down somewhere.. but where!???
[07:30] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: that gave you an error? did you run it with "sudo"
[07:30] <SIR_Taco> ?
[07:30] <StepNjump> command not found
[07:31] <LINKSWORD2> Well, all.... I think it's past my bedtime. Breakfast @ the church tomorrow morning!
[07:31] <Linkmaster> night LINKSWORD2
[07:31] <LINKSWORD2> See ya'll later!
[07:32] <StepNjump> Do new 11.04 kubuntu still run KDE? I know it's a stupid question but I hate universe
[07:32] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: "sudo dhcpd" gives you that?
[07:32] <StepNjump> yes SIR_Taco
[07:32] <StepNjump> no possibility to do a sudo get-apt install :(
[07:32] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: yes, it still runs KDE
[07:32] <StepNjump> Thanks gracious!
[07:33] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: just have to think back a bit.... lol
[07:33] <StepNjump> I like this installation.. it even has the visual effects beautifully installed :(
[07:33] <StepNjump> lol
[07:33] <StepNjump> I used to type my commands on two lines
[07:33] <StepNjump> to revive the network
[07:34] <StepNjump> etc0 something
[07:34] <StepNjump> eth0
[07:35] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: its wired then?
[07:35] <StepNjump> ifconfig eth0 gives me that nothing came in or got out. O packets
[07:36] <SIR_Taco> how about "sudo dhclient eth0"
[07:36] <StepNjump> sounds familiar
[07:36] <StepNjump> let me try that SIR
[07:36] <StepNjump> YES!!!!!
[07:36] <SIR_Taco> ;)
[07:36] <StepNjump> 192.168.0.105!
[07:37] <SIR_Taco> I was looking too far back :)
[07:37] <StepNjump> You are GOOD!!
[07:37] <StepNjump> lol
[07:37] <StepNjump> Thank you so much!
[07:38] <SIR_Taco> you're welcome
[07:38] <StepNjump> Why do I need to keep doing this everytime I try to get the internet working?
[07:38] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: as a side note... you should be able to omit the "eth0" at the end....
[07:39] <StepNjump> ok
[07:40] <Linkmaster> booting into windows....
[07:40]  * Linkmaster shudders
[07:40] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: bon chance
[07:41] <Linkmaster> thanks :P
[07:41] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: give me a second and I'll remember how to make it work on boot.... what version of kubuntu/ubuntu are you running?
[07:42] <StepNjump> SIR_Taco, when I try to fetch my updates, it gives me: Failed to fetch http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/binutils/binutils_2.20.1-3ubuntu7_i386.deb 404 Not Found... Should I update my repositories?
[07:42] <StepNjump> SIR_Taco, I don't remember :(
[07:42] <StepNjump> How could I find?
[07:44] <SIR_Taco> lsb-release -a          should tell you
[07:44] <StepNjump> no, it was not installed
[07:44] <StepNjump> sorry
[07:45] <StepNjump> I was using a -, not a _
[07:45] <StepNjump> Oh, it's just a 10.04, I thought it was older than that.. Weird.. It says ubuntu, not kubuntu .. Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS
[07:46] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: yes it will say Ubuntu, that's not a problem
[07:46] <StepNjump> k
[07:48] <StepNjump> Yep, nothing works when I even try to install 'where'
[07:48] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump:  can you do a "sudo apt-get install update-manager-core" in the terminal (konsole or anything else)?
[07:49] <Linkmaster> SIR_taco: just installed xchat, so I've got IRC now
[07:49] <StepNjump> Looks like I already have the lastest version of update-manager-core SIR_Taco
[07:50] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: ok, then try "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[07:50] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: and you didn't before?
[07:50] <StepNjump> ok thanks, let me see
[07:51] <StepNjump> Not lucky tonight: No new release found
[07:51] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: ok, then try "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[07:51] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I never bothered, since the most I ever log into windows is for...15 minutes? the last time I did was almost a month ago
[07:52] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: ah ok... you know you can get Quassel for Windows? haha
[07:52] <Linkmaster> You can?
[07:52]  * Linkmaster goes off to get it
[07:53] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: download the "full" one... not the client/server separate...
[07:53] <Linkmaster> oh?
[07:54] <Linkmaster> I'm getting the monolithic one if thats what you mean
[07:54] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: yea, that's what I meant...
[07:54] <Linkmaster> cool stuff
[07:54] <StepNjump> ok SIR_Taco, I will try the -d version now
[07:55] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: ok
[07:55] <StepNjump> Ok it's doing stuff now
[07:56] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: it should get you up to the latest, but you will definitely have to restart at some point
[07:57] <StepNjump> ok, np... irc is on windoze anyway
[07:57] <StepNjump> so I'll stay here whilst it reboots
[07:57] <SIR_Taco> ok sounds good
[07:57] <Linkmaster> using quassel, much happier
[07:58] <StepNjump> You guys must have gotten a lot of Ubuntu users that switched over to Kubuntu with 11.04 crap... Good for Kubuntu indeed!
[07:58] <StepNjump> Oh it says it might take hours!
[07:59] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: depends on your connection, it needs to download a lot of files
[07:59] <StepNjump> Is it safe for my files?
[08:00] <StepNjump> Or should I back them up first?
[08:00] <StepNjump> I would like to format my pendrive under EXT3 but can't figure out how. I don't have gparted installed..
[08:02] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: it only updates programs.... it wont affect your home directory. But it's always good to have a backup just incase.
[08:03] <StepNjump> Yes, I only have a few files.. but at times, I get stuck when I put them on a NTFS ext HDD because I use the extended character set in my files...
[08:03] <StepNjump> How could I format my pendrive in EXT3?
[08:03] <StepNjump> What is the equivalent of gparted in KDE?
[08:04] <StepNjump> Sorry for so many questions
[08:04] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: do you know where the pendrive is? ie: /dev/sd.... etc?
[08:04] <SIR_Taco> not a problem
[08:04] <StepNjump> no but it's mounted.. I see it
[08:04] <StepNjump> in dolphin
[08:05] <StepNjump> Can't seem to be able to format it just by right clicking on it
[08:05] <StepNjump> graphically
[08:06] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: well I would like to think that's a good thing lol
[08:06] <StepNjump> Not for beginners!
[08:08] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: true enough... what is the name of the pendrive in Dolphin?
[08:08] <StepNjump> mmmm
[08:08] <StepNjump> Very creatively enough, it's PENDRIVE
[08:09] <StepNjump> I'm not kidding
[08:09] <StepNjump> lol
[08:10] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: ok, so in Konsole (or another terminal) if you "cd /media && ls" does "PENDRIVE" show up?
[08:10] <StepNjump> In ubuntu, I could do it graphically in nautillus
[08:10] <StepNjump> oh boy! ok lol let me see
[08:10] <StepNjump> thanks again
[08:10] <SIR_Taco> np
[08:10] <StepNjump> Just beats my DOS days!
[08:11] <SIR_Taco> haha yes, it's a little different than my DOS days too :P
[08:11] <StepNjump> Ok I cd'd into PENDRIVE now: /media/PENDRIVE
[08:12] <StepNjump> DCL looked easy compared to this... maybe it's because I was younger too lol
[08:12] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: You've backed up everything on the "PENDRIVE" that you want?
[08:12] <StepNjump> copy con autoexec.bat
[08:13] <StepNjump> Oh yes, there is nothing left on it. I just want to format it and then move things on it
[08:13] <StepNjump> or back stuff rather
[08:13] <SIR_Taco> or extended memory... haha
[08:13] <StepNjump> but it's fun, it's fun... I like *nix
[08:14] <StepNjump> oh yeah!!!! Damn I lost so much time with this EMS386 crap
[08:14] <StepNjump> himem.sys
[08:14] <StepNjump> ahaha
[08:14] <StepNjump> Quarterdeck
[08:14] <SIR_Taco> oh wow... brings back memories
[08:14] <StepNjump> DCL was cool though in VMS
[08:15] <StepNjump> Bash shell reminds me of that in a way.
[08:16] <StepNjump> Bash shell reminds me of that in a way.
[08:16] <StepNjump> ooops sorry
[08:16] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: yes, very much so.... can you find your pendrive when you do "sudo  mount -l"? should have a "/dev/....." entry
[08:16] <StepNjump> my pendrive is already mounted
[08:17] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: yes, but that command should list all mounted drives, and the devices they're mounted to
[08:18] <StepNjump> oh I see...
[08:18] <StepNjump> What are you looking at?
[08:18] <SIR_Taco> ?
[08:18] <StepNjump> Sorry, which one should I look for?
[08:18] <StepNjump> I have about 10 of them
[08:19] <SIR_Taco> there's not one that has "PenDrive" in it?
[08:19] <StepNjump> nope
[08:19] <StepNjump> Don't think so.. let me check again
[08:19] <StepNjump> duh... yes... /dev/sdf1
[08:19] <StepNjump> vfat
[08:20] <SIR_Taco> ok...
[08:20] <SIR_Taco> now double check that's the one.... just so we don't mess up something that you want to keep
[08:20] <StepNjump> no that's it
[08:20] <StepNjump> sdf7
[08:21] <SIR_Taco> ok... now sign here in triplicate that this is the one you wish to format... :P
[08:22] <SIR_Taco> "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdf1" will format it to ext3
[08:22] <StepNjump> lol
[08:22] <StepNjump> ok, it has to be that one right...? It's right on the same line as PENDRIVE... it says /dev/sdf1 on media/PENDRIVE
[08:22] <StepNjump> it has to be that one...
[08:23] <StepNjump> Should I sign???
[08:23] <StepNjump> lol
[08:23] <StepNjump> ok let me try mkfs.ext3
[08:23] <SIR_Taco> ok
[08:25] <StepNjump> ok SIR_Taco, it says that it's mounted already and won't work
[08:25] <StepNjump> I guess we need to dismount it?
[08:25] <StepNjump> I can do that graphically.. hold on
[08:26] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: riiiight.... ok so "sudo umount /dev/sdf1" then "sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdf1"
[08:26] <SIR_Taco> right sorry... I'm a little old-school when it comes to this stuff lol
[08:26] <StepNjump> k
[08:29] <StepNjump> old school is good
[08:29] <SIR_Taco> old school works :)
[08:30] <StepNjump> Now it says it's busy.. let me close dolphin
[08:31] <StepNjump> SIR_Taco, peripheral busy
[08:31] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: it's likely still making the filesystem
[08:32] <StepNjump> mmmm
[08:32] <StepNjump> I haven't even started yet
[08:32] <StepNjump> oh yes earlier
[08:32] <StepNjump> oh no I get it
[08:32] <SIR_Taco> do you still have the drive open in Dolpin? or in a terminal?
[08:33] <StepNjump> I'm in the /dev/PENDRIVE right now
[08:33] <StepNjump> so I will cd.. out of it
[08:33] <SIR_Taco> ah there you go
[08:33] <StepNjump> to see what happens
[08:33] <SIR_Taco> then you have to unmount it
[08:33] <StepNjump> yep, that was it
[08:34] <StepNjump> Ok it's done
[08:34] <StepNjump> awsome... I learned something new today!
[08:34] <StepNjump> Thanks a lot
[08:34] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: excellent, you're welcome
[08:36] <SIR_Taco> there may be an easier way to do that... but to me that's the easy way
[08:37] <StepNjump> No I like it better that wayl.. I am taking notes
[08:37] <StepNjump> Now we have another problem..
[08:37] <StepNjump> Looks like I don't have the permissions to write to it
[08:38] <StepNjump> Is it possible?
[08:38] <StepNjump> chmod
[08:38] <StepNjump> ?
[08:39] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: even if you mount if with Dolphin?
[08:39] <StepNjump> yes
[08:39] <StepNjump> I tried mkdir test in bash to no avail
[08:40] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: well you can do "sudo chown /dev/sdf1 <username>" where <username> is your user name
[08:42] <StepNjump> I dismounted it via dolphin and now that I reconnected it back, it doesn't show the lost+found folder anymore
[08:42] <StepNjump> weird
[08:42] <StepNjump> Is that what they say: Opening a can of worms? lol
[08:42] <SIR_Taco> haha maybe
[08:44] <StepNjump> the permissions are rw, nosuid, nodev, uhelper=hal
[08:45] <StepNjump> Now, I'm not a valid user!
[08:45] <StepNjump> lol
[08:45] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: I think I "found" something xD
[08:46] <StepNjump> SIR_Taco, do I need to put my userid in between <>?
[08:47] <StepNjump> chown: user not valid
[08:47] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: http://pastebin.com/kc59FRNQ if you wish to take a look. Its more likely then not the evil closed source nastyness I'm using then just M$ alone
[08:49] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: no, not between the <>... just the user name... if your user name is 'blah' then it would be "sudo chown /dev/sdf1 blah"
[08:50] <StepNjump> I figured, but it doesn't recognize my userid!
[08:50] <StepNjump> weird, weirder, VERY VERY Weirder!
[08:51] <SIR_Taco> sorry... did that backwards... should be "sudo chown blah /dev/sdf1"
[08:52] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: no, it's just a HEX nightmare lol
[08:52] <StepNjump> oh! That would explain it.. let me try
[08:52] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: so its nothing significant?
[08:53] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: it could be, but who knows.... it's  hex dump
[08:53] <Linkmaster> Hm. I shall see if I can find a way to translate it
[08:53] <SIR_Taco> Linkmaster: that's the trick
[08:54] <Linkmaster> SIR_Taco: something tells me thats the hard part xD
[08:54] <SIR_Taco> yes that is the hard part :)
[08:56] <StepNjump> And me that's drowning in a glass of water!
[08:56] <StepNjump> ls
[08:56] <StepNjump> sorry
[08:56] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: did it work?
[08:58]  * Linkmaster knows he has hex...he knows that hex = numbers...he doesn't know what to do with numbers once he finds them xP
[08:59] <SIR_Taco> 0-9 A-F
[08:59] <StepNjump> nope, still no go...
[08:59] <StepNjump> I'm starting to think maybe it has to do with the fact that it's a SanDisk cruzer.. maybe it needs a password.. Well, all the drivers are off!
[09:00] <SIR_Taco> can anyone help StepNjump get his pendrive to mount with user permissions? It's 4am an I'm half asleep
[09:00] <SIR_Taco> StepNjump: that shouldn't have anything to do with it
[09:00] <Linkmaster> I try not to mess with permissions, being fairly noobish at the moment
[09:01] <StepNjump> oh SIR_Taco, don't worry... Go to bed my friend... I'm just learning here for fun. It's not a big deal at all!
[09:01] <StepNjump> Sorry, I should have asked you if you were tired.
[09:01] <StepNjump> I might do the same as a matter of fact lol.. I learned a few things so it's fun
[09:01] <StepNjump> Thanks for all you have done... Sleep well!
[09:01] <SIR_Taco> not you're fault, I'm just stubborn :)
[09:01] <Linkmaster> You too? :D
[09:01] <StepNjump> lol Irish?
[09:02] <StepNjump> lol
[09:02] <SIR_Taco> very much so :0
[09:02] <StepNjump> I'm stubborn too lol
[09:02] <StepNjump> ahahah
[09:02] <SIR_Taco> haha
[09:02] <StepNjump> So was my ex! lol
[09:02] <SIR_Taco> haha
[09:02] <StepNjump> Night night!
[09:02] <Linkmaster> I am too...thats why I'm going to figure out what the heck to do with this hex....
[09:02] <SIR_Taco> mine was Polish (even more stubborn :) )
[09:02]  * Linkmaster is boggled by the size of it
[09:02] <StepNjump> Next time, it will be a latina!
[09:03] <StepNjump> Oh boy!
[09:03] <SIR_Taco> haha
[09:03] <SIR_Taco> ok, on that note, bed... good night haha
[09:03] <StepNjump> Hope we'll hear from you again
[09:03] <StepNjump> I'll be looking for you down the log
[09:03] <StepNjump> 73
[09:03] <StepNjump> (means good night in ham radio jargon)
[09:42] <chpadhi> the kubuntu 10.10 (maverick merkat) has a qt version of 4.7.0 but i want to upgrade it to 4.7.2 or may be later , how to do it ?
[09:43] <shadeslayer> chpadhi: one sec, lemme have a look if the ppa has 4.7.2
[09:43] <chpadhi> shadeslayer: okie
[09:46] <shadeslayer> chpadhi: nope
[09:47] <shadeslayer> chpadhi: you need to be on natty or greater for 4.7.2 or compile qt yourself ...
[09:47] <chpadhi> shadeslayer: are u looking at the backports ppa
[09:47] <shadeslayer> yes
[09:47] <shadeslayer> also was looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11
[09:47] <shadeslayer> chpadhi: you *could* try out Neon, but we will be removing maverick support in a couple of weeks
[09:48] <chpadhi> shadeslayer: ahh ..let me try the natty backports
[09:48] <shadeslayer> chpadhi: didn't you say you were on maverick? :P
[09:48] <chpadhi> yes
[09:49] <shadeslayer> right, so you can't add natty backports
[09:49] <shadeslayer> you need to be on natty to add natty backports
[09:49] <shadeslayer> !bacports | chpadhi
[09:49] <shadeslayer> brrr
[09:49] <shadeslayer> !backports | chpadhi
[09:49] <chpadhi> shadeslayer: thanks ..will surely  have a look at it
[10:12] <sirbeat> hello!
[10:23] <shadeslayer> sirbeat: hi
[10:25] <tta> hi
[10:25] <plandream> hi
[10:28] <cousin_mario> morn
[10:29] <plandream> q: Is there a way to completely remove splash screens both on boot and shutdown?
[10:30] <StepNjump> Maybe someone could help me. I'm trying to format a pendrive into an ext3 file system using gparted. The process completes successfully but then when I try to write to it, it doesn't work..
[10:31] <plandream> you must mount it first probably?
[10:31] <StepNjump> Doesn't it automatically mount by going to dolphin plandream?
[10:32] <plandream> theoretically yes
[10:32] <plandream> does it spit out an error?
[10:32] <StepNjump> nope
[10:32] <StepNjump> Just that I cannot create any new folder.. Everything is grayed out
[10:32] <plandream> ah
[10:32] <StepNjump> This is my second pendrive I try
[10:32] <plandream> its mounted as ro then
[10:33] <plandream> read only
[10:33] <StepNjump> ro?
[10:33] <StepNjump> oh
[10:33] <StepNjump> So how do I change that?
[10:33] <plandream> gimme a sec
[10:33] <StepNjump> great.. thanks
[10:34] <plandream> sudo mount
[10:34] <plandream> so you can see what is mounted
[10:34] <StepNjump> Sudo mount... let me try that
[10:34] <cousin_mario> is it possible to have an app start minimised even if there is no specific command-line switch, nor dbus hook to do so?
[10:35] <StepNjump> sudo mount sdf1?
[10:36] <StepNjump> ok, I see a whole bunch of things
[10:36] <plandream> ok
[10:36] <StepNjump> it doesn't seem to be mounted
[10:36] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: then how come you can see its contents?
[10:36] <plandream> It is mounted we must find the crrect entry first
[10:36] <StepNjump> It was unmounted now
[10:36] <plandream> oh
[10:36] <StepNjump> let me do the sudo mount again
[10:37] <StepNjump> ok it's mounted now by removing it and then connecting it again
[10:37] <plandream> ok
[10:37] <StepNjump> and sudo mount gives me stuff still but nothing that has to do with sdf1
[10:37] <plandream> hmmm
[10:38] <plandream> no /dev/sdf1 entry?
[10:38] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: what about "mount|grep sdf" ?
[10:38] <StepNjump> sudo fdisk -l shows me ID 83
[10:38] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: 83 is good
[10:39] <plandream> yes 83 means ext
[10:39] <StepNjump> oh.. I'm on a small keyboard in french.. don't know how to come up with the pipe symbol
[10:39] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: copypaste?
[10:40] <StepNjump> it's on a different computer!
[10:40] <StepNjump> let me change my default language
[10:41] <tta> to change azerty in qwerty it is " alt + shift" for some os
[10:41] <plandream> brb
[10:42]  * cousin_mario thinks azerty was created by putting the letters into a blender
[10:43] <StepNjump> ok, mount|grep sdf done
[10:43] <StepNjump> no echo
[10:44] <StepNjump> tta alt shift works good in MSFT but I don't think it works in ubuntu
[10:44] <tta> ha ha
[10:45] <StepNjump> cousin_mario... I did the mount|grep sdf
[10:46] <StepNjump> cousin_mario... I did the mount|grep sdf1 now and I got: /dev/sdf1 on /media/pendrive type ext3
[10:46] <tta> :(
[10:46] <StepNjump> rw, nosuid,nodev, uhelpler=hal
[10:47] <StepNjump> rw should be good!
[10:48] <StepNjump> I even tried sudo chown userid /dev/sdf1 to no avail
[10:51] <StepNjump> I'm root for crying out loud!!!
[10:54] <StepNjump> Ah.... I found something weird
[10:54] <StepNjump> It's seems to be mounted but when I look in /media, there's nothing there!
[10:55] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: touch /media/pendrive/test
[10:56] <StepNjump> mario, there's nothing in /media other than the floppies
[10:56] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: yet mount says it's mounted on /media/pendrive?
[10:57] <StepNjump> ok now it's mounted /media/test
[10:58] <StepNjump> cousin_mario: I did a sudo touch /media/test.. it echos nothing
[10:58] <robb4n> Hi, guys.. It seems that ive got some problems vid Kubuntu, sometimes when i start/boot it hangs up and an blue background only shows up and i cant do anything.. I did google it, i did update my nvidia driver to knewest but i have same problem .
[10:59] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: touch /media/test/testfile then
[11:00] <StepNjump> ok cousin_mario.. I'm new to linux but I did a sudo mkdir testfile and it created it with the terminal, but didn't work using dolphin
[11:01] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: I think the concept of mountpoint still evades you
[11:01] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: cd to whatever the current mountpoint for /dev/sdf1 is
[11:01] <StepNjump> cousin_mario, yes it created the file testfile
[11:02] <StepNjump> ok, so the problem must be with dolphin!
[11:02] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: do you also see a lost+found directory?
[11:02] <StepNjump> I see them in dolphin but when I right click and try to create a folder, it will not do it
[11:02] <StepNjump> yes sir
[11:03] <StepNjump> It works in terminal but not in dolphin
[11:03] <StepNjump> Maybe I should install nautilus
[11:03] <StepNjump> is it recommendable for kubuntu?
[11:03] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: can you write on it using the command line without resorting to sudo?
[11:04] <StepNjump> I don't think so.. let me check
[11:04] <robb4n> anyone who know what it can be?
[11:04] <StepNjump> you are right: permission non accordée
[11:04] <StepNjump> Permission not granted
[11:05] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: then do a chown -R on the mountpoint
[11:05] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: or just a chmod
[11:05] <StepNjump> on the mountpointÉ
[11:05] <StepNjump> ?
[11:05] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: yes
[11:06] <StepNjump> do I need to specify my userid in the command line?
[11:06] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: yes and the group too while you're at it
[11:07] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: you can find both via 'id'
[11:07] <StepNjump> mmmm.. I just did a sudo chown myuserid /dev/sdf1 at the /media/volume_name level
[11:08] <StepNjump> nope! Still no permission granted
[11:09] <cousin_mario> o.O
[11:09] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: 'sudo chown -R userid:groupid /media/mydirectory'
[11:10] <StepNjump> Ok sorry for being this green but where do I find my groupid?
[11:10] <cousin_mario> 'id -gn'
[11:10] <cousin_mario> it's probably the same as your username though
[11:11] <StepNjump> yep
[11:11] <StepNjump> ok I saw the light flash quite a bit this time
[11:12] <StepNjump> yes!!!
[11:12] <StepNjump> What was it???
[11:12] <StepNjump> That was it!
[11:12] <StepNjump> You are good!
[11:13] <cousin_mario> :)
[11:13] <StepNjump> Wow.. All night to find this!
[11:13] <StepNjump> Thank you very much!
[11:13] <StepNjump> Is there a problem with my kernel?
[11:14] <cousin_mario> it's basic stuff, I suggest you look for some linux 101 to avoid banging your head on the desk for things like these
[11:14] <cousin_mario> bash, even
[11:14] <StepNjump> Yes well... grrrr
[11:15] <StepNjump> I used to learn this stuff easy on Vax when I was younger but now approaching 50, the learning curve is somewhat steeper
[11:15] <cousin_mario> hehe, I remember VMS as well
[11:15] <cousin_mario> but it's not so similar, unless you meant Ultrix
[11:15] <StepNjump> Well thanks again a million cousin_mario... You were the only one that could help me
[11:15] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: yw
[11:15] <StepNjump> I know, not similar at all
[11:16] <StepNjump> VMS seemed so simple compared to *nix
[11:16] <StepNjump> it was logical
[11:16] <cousin_mario> yes, I think I had the same impression
[11:16] <cousin_mario> but it was probably also less flexible
[11:16] <StepNjump> Probably
[11:16] <cousin_mario> I saw an emulator somewhere, in case you wanted to have fun
[11:17] <StepNjump> There are so many ways to do the same thing it seems in bash
[11:17] <StepNjump> I miss the filenames.extension;version_numbers from VMS
[11:17] <cousin_mario> I don't miss the SET DEF[dir] thing
[11:17] <StepNjump> would be nice to develop this here on linux
[11:18] <StepNjump> purge filename 1-10
[11:18] <cousin_mario> I think the system I was on had some script in its place to navigate directories
[11:18] <StepNjump> Oh boy! lol set def
[11:18] <cousin_mario> unless there was a simpler way i don't know of
[11:19] <StepNjump> but this idea of keeping all the versions was so cool
[11:19] <StepNjump> I never saw that anywhere else
[11:19] <cousin_mario> I think ZFS (and possibly btrfs) has something like that
[11:19] <StepNjump> you could go back on your code at any point in time
[11:19] <StepNjump> We need that on linux!
[11:20] <StepNjump> ok, got to go zzzzz.. But thanks again a million cousin
[11:20] <cousin_mario> well, I think CVS are used now
[11:21] <cousin_mario> ok, bye
[11:21] <StepNjump> Can you use linux on CVS?
[11:21] <StepNjump> bsd
[11:22] <cousin_mario> StepNjump: CVSs are OS-agnostic, usually
[11:22] <cousin_mario> the code they contain is usually not, though
[11:25] <kleopatra> Hello , my system looks very angular, what package do i have to install to make my guis look better?
[11:48] <robb4n> Hi, guys.. It seems that ive got some problems vid Kubuntu, sometimes when i start/boot it hangs up and an blue background only shows up and i cant do anything.. I did google it, i did update my nvidia driver to knewest but i have same problem .
[11:58] <LINKSWORD2> Hey guys, does anybody know how to pin application shortcuts to a second panel, rather than to the default?
[12:01] <LINKSWORD2> Nevermind. Fixed it.
[12:05] <robb4n> Hi, anyone who have time to try to help me?
[12:05] <Peace-> robb4n: ?
[12:05] <Peace-> what's your problem
[12:05] <Peace-> don't ask to ask
[12:05] <Peace-> do your question
[12:05] <robb4n> Peace-: I have new installed Kubuntu, sometimes when i boot/start it stands still with blue background nothings happends
[12:06] <robb4n> I have tryd google it, and did also update my nvidia driver and xorg conf but with no sucess the problem still is here
[12:06] <Peace-> robb4n: that should be a known bug
[12:06] <Peace-> robb4n: on release note should be written
[12:06] <Peace-> sometime could happen
[12:06] <Peace-> !releasenote
[12:06] <shadeslayer> !releasenotes
[12:07] <robb4n> Is there anything to make it work? ir its just safe to pull of the power and restart my laptop?
[12:07] <robb4n> cant be healthy in long time
[12:07] <Peace-> shadeslayer: :)
[12:07] <Peace-> :( +s
[12:08] <shadeslayer> robb4n: did you try booting into recovery?
[12:08] <robb4n> everything else works perfect Peace- just 2-3 second boot i get the blue screen
[12:08] <robb4n> shadeslayer: nope, when this happandes i just pull of the power and restart the laptop and it works
[12:08] <robb4n> but is this healthy?
[12:09] <robb4n> in long term use
[12:09] <robb4n> to just pull out the power, it cant be
[12:09] <shadeslayer> hmm .. thats weird
[12:10] <shadeslayer> robb4n: i've never seen this issue, dmesg might be of help and i'd suggest upgrading any packages you might have
[12:10] <shadeslayer> s/any packages/any old packages
[12:10] <robb4n> I have upgrade everything
[12:11] <shadeslayer> robb4n: disable plymouth, maybe that helps
[12:11] <robb4n> shadeslayer: how do i do that?
[12:11] <robb4n> i have tried Ubuntu and there is no problem with plymouth tho
[12:12] <shadeslayer> robb4n: sudoedit /etc/default/grub
[12:12] <shadeslayer> and there should be a line in there with the keyword plymouth
[12:12] <shadeslayer> in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT i think
[12:12] <robb4n> nope i havent, lol
[12:12] <robb4n> =)
[12:13] <robb4n> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/Y0PaSZJC
[12:13] <robb4n> my grub
[12:13] <robb4n> quiet splash is only there
[12:14] <shadeslayer> robb4n: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" > GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
[12:14] <robb4n> ok
[12:15] <robb4n> will try reboot sometimes now then, i will be back in couple of min and let you know how it went shadeslayer
[12:15] <shadeslayer> robb4n: one sec
[12:15] <robb4n> ok
[12:15] <shadeslayer> robb4n: you need to run sudo update-grub after that
[12:15] <robb4n> oops ok
[12:16] <robb4n> will try reboot now 3-4 times
[12:22] <robb4n> shadeslayer: same problem
[12:22] <robb4n> it seems it is the grub background who hangs!
[12:22] <shadeslayer> @_@
[12:22] <cousin_mario> bbl
[12:23] <shadeslayer> i have no idea how to fix this
[12:23] <robb4n> i cant see the statup kernel etc just eh grub default background
[12:23] <robb4n> *the
[12:23] <shadeslayer> robb4n: maybe #ubuntu has a better idea, or #grub
[12:23] <robb4n> shadeslayer:  ok, thanks for your try.. realy appreciate it
[12:24] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:26] <robb4n> bad i did get this problem, rely like kubuntu this far tho =) seems very stabl at the desktop
[12:28] <robb4n> shadeslayer: some dude at #ubuntu tells me reinstall the OS? can it be something at with the installation u think?
[12:29] <shadeslayer> robb4n: did you check the md5sums before burning the ISO's?
[12:30] <robb4n> shadeslayer: nope ^^ i always forget that in other cases aswell
[12:30] <robb4n> I will try reinstall the OS but with an netinstall instead, then it cant be wrong =)
[12:31] <shadeslayer> robb4n: check the md5sums before anything
[12:31] <Scan> ciao
[12:31] <robb4n> will do that
[12:44] <robb4n> shadeslayer: totally broken ^
[12:45] <shadeslayer> robb4n: what happened?
[12:46] <robb4n> need to redownload the kubuntu iso ^^
[12:46] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:47] <robb4n> I thought it was safer to use torrent download so i didt have to check the md5sums...
[12:50] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:34] <ilias> which is best 10.04 or 11.04? i am running already on my laptop 10.04 and is perfect. i installed it on my desktop and i faced a graphic card driver's problem. i am considering to go on 11.04 to go beyond this issue. is it the right choise or there is a solution to solve the driver's problem and stay on 10.04?
[14:36] <BluesKaj> ilias, depends on the graphics card , but I haven't had a graphics prob on 11,04 with either of my nvidia equipped pcs
[14:38] <ilias> my card is actually an nvidia/gforce. the same issue (icons pixelized) i had using opensuse 11.3. both 11,3 and 10.04 probably they are using the same driver!
[14:39] <BluesKaj> ilias, nvidia-current ?
[14:41] <ilias> geforce 8300 gs
[14:46] <ilias> is firefox pre0isntalled in 11.04 or there is just the option to install it?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ilias: theres a installer
[14:52] <ilias> ok, thanks
[14:52] <ilias> does any one know if 1.04 can detect a usb tv device?
[14:52] <ilias> 11.04*
[14:54] <lcb> might detect it, ilias. try it, doesn't make any bad.
[14:55] <kubu2> ilias: it will but to work properly is a different matter
[14:55] <lcb> ilias: test it afterwards with tvtime, for example.
[14:56] <kubu2> on the konsole run lspci
[14:56] <ilias> how can i installed the appropriate driver for it?
[14:56] <lcb> ilias: plug it...
[14:56] <ilias> its a usb device
[14:57] <lcb> stick it :p
[14:57] <ilias> is there any option to search for a driver?
[14:58] <kubu2> the kernel will load it
[14:59] <lcb> ilias: 2 things.. after inserting the usb device run $ lspci. you might see your device listed. on /dev directory you'll have an additional video, for instance /dev/video0 or /dev/video1
[15:00] <kubu2> ilias: not all devices are supported.  you know what type/model you have and go to linuxtv.org
[15:00] <ilias> yes i know all these. but these are not enough. there must be a driver for the device to work properly. is there any library to find it?
[15:01] <kubu2> ilias: like I said go to linuxtv.org
[15:01] <ilias> my device works probably with usbvision driver. linuxtv.org says so
[15:01] <BluesKaj> ilias, look for v4l , it's in the packages
[15:02] <ilias> v4l/v4l2 is also neede.
[15:02] <ilias> needed*
[15:03] <BluesKaj> ilias, and rread the linuxtv page thoroughly , but be aware it's old
[15:03] <mfraz74> finally managed to upgrade from 10.10 by using ppa-purge
[15:03] <ilias> it is not very helpful actually
[15:04] <mfraz74> now the only problem I can't sort out is that instead of the normal plymouth splash I get a blue screen
[15:04] <ilias> usbvision driver is it included in 11.04 by default?
[15:05] <hal9000_> Hi, noobe to linux I'm using kubuntu 11.04 natty I want to save files for later install like fire fox 4.0 from the ubuntu packages repository but get error when trying to install the package that it breaks iceweasel
[15:05] <hal9000_> why would it break something?
[15:06] <hal9000_> where can I get one that wont break whatever iceweasel is
[15:07] <Tm_T> hal9000_: iceweasel is debianized firefox
[15:07] <Tm_T> !info iceweasel
[15:07] <Tm_T> aww
[15:09] <kubu2> hal9000_: it's either FF or Iceweasel. your choice
[15:09] <hal9000_> I have Iceweasel installed already?
[15:09] <hal9000_> I'm trying to install this package -> firefox_4.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.11.04.3_amd64.deb
[15:10] <hal9000_> There is a "install firefox thing in my start menu" but I don't want it to install from net, just from package
[15:11] <hal9000_> but the package wants to break Iceweasel, but I don't see Iceweasel anywhere on my system
[15:11] <hal9000_> Then again, I"ve been at this Linux stuff for only 2 days
[15:11] <kubu2> hal9000_: it's too early for jokes
[15:13] <hal9000_> Heres what happens -> clicking on file firefox_4.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.11.04.3_amd64.deb
[15:15] <hal9000_> Error: Breaks existing package 'hunspell-en-ca' that conflict:  'iceweasel'.
[15:15] <hal9000_> WTF, I don't have Iceweasel on my system!
[15:16] <hal9000_> hmmm, I understand now why Microsoft is smart
[15:16] <BluesKaj> hal9000_, open a terminal and copy and paste this command , sudo apt-get -f install
[15:17] <BluesKaj> hal9000_, calling ms smart here won't help you :0
[15:18] <hal9000_> BluesKaj, will that install from internet or my package that I downloaded?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> hal9000_,  it forces pending installs
[15:19] <hal9000_> What I'm trying to do is save natty packages, and the ISO X64 of Kubuntu for offline use so that I can install this stuff if I don't have internet
[15:20] <hal9000_> That way, I can learn linux without internet connection
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hal9000_, now you tell us , some installs like FF require internet access to fill out their dependencies
[15:21] <BluesKaj> learning linux without internet severly hampers your resources to learn it
[15:22] <hal9000_> Ahh, then why have a package  such as -> firefox_4.0.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.11.04.3_amd64.deb in the repository that complains about breaking iceweasel, i don't get it
[15:25] <hal9000_> I tried to download the FF Linux version directly from the Firefox site but its not a *.deb file, which also drove me nuts!
[15:25] <BluesKaj> hal9000_, my post above explains it ...you need internet unless you download the dvd version with an internet connected pc . the dvd contains most packages available or there's also the alternate install
[15:26] <BluesKaj> !alternate
[15:29] <ilias>  i know some commands to install java and resricted in 10.04> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-pluginsudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras. are they working in 11.04 too?
[15:32] <hal9000_> I did use the Kubuntu x64 DVD install 11.04, so I already have most of those packages located at  http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/
[15:32] <hal9000_> So I really don't need to download all those?
[15:34] <BluesKaj> hal9000_, depends what you chose during the install
[15:36] <hal9000_> Ahh, so that repository is just for people who used the CD install instead, and if needed download a few extras at that repository?
[15:42] <ilias>  i know some commands to install java and resricted in 10.04> sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-pluginsudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras. are they working in 11.04 too?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> hal9000_, or upgraded using the internet
[15:42] <hal9000_> Well, I see what sudo apt-get -f install did, I installed Alien Arena package but not the other ones but it installed them for me, thanks for your help Blueskaj, I'm starting to get how Linux works a little more
[15:44] <BluesKaj> hal9000_, if you wish to remove a package or app, in the terminal , sudo apt-get remove  nameofpackage
[15:44] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[15:45] <kubu2> hal9000_: use the system provided tools to install and upgrade things untill you are confident
[15:46] <kubu2> hal9000_:  that repo you are referring to is like autozone where expert mechanics can select/install parts
[15:46] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/760632
[15:48] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, that's for archlinux . not kubuntu
[15:48] <darthanubis> thats for systems with KDE the latest nvidia and the latest Xorg
[15:48] <darthanubis> why did you not even bother to read it?
[15:49] <darthanubis> nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu)
[15:49] <darthanubis> its only the second line
[15:50] <hal9000_> Thanks for your help everyone, I'm off to study up on repositories!
[15:50] <darthanubis> DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04
[15:50] <darthanubis> nevermind
[15:53] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, i knew what your reaction would be so i thought I'd have some fun watching you spew your venom as usual :)
[15:54] <darthanubis> venom?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> well you had a mild reaction this time , surprised me
[15:57] <darthanubis> you addressed a serious issue as if it were an opportunity to amuse yourself then try to accuse me as coming at you in an ill manner, that's childish. I did not look to goad you into any kind of confrontation. You don't even know me, why would you take this chance to behave in such a manner?
[15:58] <darthanubis> And do it in channel at that?
[15:58] <darthanubis> Just fon't worry about it, I knew you could not help anyway. I was jus ttrying to see if other people were having the issue.
[16:00] <darthanubis> asking a person why they did not eeven read the first two lines o f a bug report is "venom" ok lol
[16:01] <darthanubis> maybe you were just exposed as being lazy publically, and wrong, so you went for a lame personal attack against COC? Sounds more about right, no?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, actually that's aknown issue ..it happened to me just this morning and I must apologize to you for my behaviour ...I confused you with someone else .. , my old memory fails me again
[16:02] <darthanubis> you never apologized to me?
[16:02] <darthanubis> but it is now noted
[16:02] <BluesKaj> I just did
[16:02] <darthanubis> but thanks for letting me know its happening to you as well
[16:02] <BluesKaj> np
[16:03] <darthanubis> hope it gets fixed soon. I missed Fluxbox, but don't want to remain in it indefinately.
[16:03] <darthanubis> enjoy the rest of this lovely Sat Morning, peace
[16:03] <BluesKaj>  it's been happening for a while now , since kde 4.6 was introduced in my recall at least
[16:04] <BluesKaj> peace you too
[16:04] <darthanubis> in 10.10 I did not have this issue, VLC would freeze, as a matter of fact it really only seemed to happen while using VLC. So I attributed it to VLC.
[16:04] <BluesKaj> to
[16:06] <BluesKaj> I had some resizing probs with other windows , but now it seems to be restricted to the terminal
[16:09] <darthanubis> I was using Firefox, and went to open a pdf, and right as okular was opening it froze
[16:09] <BluesKaj> darthanubis, but if you choose resize in the terminal menu , it doesn't freeze
[16:10] <BluesKaj> ok , good to know , but I swtched to chromium over a yr ago and haven't used FF  since
[16:13]  * BluesKaj wonders what's going on with google linux ...seems to have been taken down with no explanation
[16:13] <cuco> hi all, i am tyring to upgrade 10.10 to 11.04, and the GUI fails. It says "Could not calculate the upgrade".
[16:14] <cuco> What is my next step? changing the repos and doing this the good old debian way?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> cuco, do you have any ppas added after  your last OS install/upgrade ? if so use your package manager to disable or remove them , another way is use  an app called , ppa-purge_0.2.6~karmic_all.deb
[16:17] <cuco> BluesKaj: removed the 3 extra repos (wine, x and unity2d). no luck.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> cuco, did you run do-release-upgrade
[16:18] <cuco> BluesKaj: did that. this is the second week I have this problem.
[16:18]  * cuco does this again anyaway
[16:19] <BluesKaj> cuco, try the ppa-purge_0.2.6~karmic_all.deb app it worked for some ppl with upgrade probs
[16:26] <BluesKaj> cuco, or ppa-purge in the repos
[16:27] <cuco> yes, i am removing the uniti* packages now
[16:32] <BluesKaj> errands to run while there's a break in the rain , BBL
[16:53] <cuco> BluesKaj: thanks. ppa-purge helped
[16:54] <BluesKaj> cuco, are you able to upgrade now /
[16:58] <cuco> BluesKaj: it's downloading. I have no idea about the quality of the update :)
[17:01] <BluesKaj> cuco, it reverts to the default repos in order to upgrade , you'll probly need to reinstall the restricted extras as well as the medibuntu repos etc if you need them
[17:13] <pietro_> ok
[17:20] <vbgunz> anybody has any real idea how after encrypting / and swap how to successfully hibernate a system? I've been pulling my hair out since 7am and it is now 12:20pm
[17:25] <paolinux> hi
[17:25] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, go over to #ubuntu and ask the experts there
[17:26] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: thanks
[17:26] <BluesKaj> there aren't any of the regulare heavyweights here today, vbgunz
[17:27] <vbgunz> I got to keep trying new things and see where they get me. that requires I keep trying to hibernate
[17:33] <vbgunz> gonna try to hibernate.... I totally expect an explosion... it would be nice to expect an explosion and it just hibernates successfully
[17:33] <vbgunz> well, here goes nothing
[17:42] <Librarat> I have an asus n53sv laptop, have set up media keys in system settings, and tried to lsmod various asus modules, but nothing seems to be working for my media keys.  I started a thread in the ubuntu forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1768832) and have yet to find a solution. Tried to use a git repo listed there for more up-to-date ahci support, but wasn't able to get it to compile. Anyone have any thoughts/tips?
[17:43] <Librarat> ANd, I'm running 11.04
[18:02] <vbgunz> I tried so many things, still can't successfully resume from hibernation
[18:02] <vbgunz> I'll ask in #ubuntu and see what's up
[18:02] <Monika> After upgrading to Kubuntu 11.04, KDE does not start anymore by itself when selecting KDE Plasma Workspace in kdm. Instead a kind of konsole starts, without window decoration. When I type startkde, KDE starts successfully. /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop looks normal. kubuntu-desktop is installed. The same problem occurs for a newly created user. Reconfiguring kdm and upstart did not...
[18:02] <Monika> ...help. Reinstalling kdm did not help.  Other ideas?
[18:03] <Peace-> Monika: you could reinstall every kde package
[18:03] <Monika> Is there an easy way to do this?
[18:03] <Monika> I tried reinstalling kubuntu-desktop, but as it's just a meta package, nothing happened.
[18:05] <Peace-> Monika: wait
[18:25] <JKAbrams> Monika: i had lots of problems upgrading to 11.04, tried reinstalling all kde-related packages to no avail, when I reinstalled the nvidia driver I got into kde, but it was broken (the desktop was in fact on top of the windows) that was fixed by letting nvidia settings make a new xorg.conf file (i found a trick to make the windows show), then finally I had a working desktop, but no applications had menus, I located
[18:25] <JKAbrams> that problem to two files yesterday: /home/<user>/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc and /home/<user>/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktoprc deliting theese files fixed my menus (but you will loose any customized widget-setup)
[18:26] <Monika> However, the same problem occurred with a new user, so there cannot have been broken settings for that one.
[18:27] <JKAbrams> yeah, but xorg.conf is not a per user-file
[18:28] <Monika> ok I will reconfigure xorg
[18:28] <JKAbrams> might be worh a shot, thats whats got me back on track
[18:33] <Monika> Okay, tried it, didn't help.
[18:39] <BluesKaj> did you try reinstalling plasma desktop , Monika
[18:39] <Monika> nope, haven't tried that, yet, let me see
[18:40] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: I noticed you found the issues. are those text files?
[18:41] <JKAbrams> Hello Linkmaster!
[18:41] <JKAbrams> yes i located the problem :)
[18:41] <Linkmaster> hello to you, sorry I've not been as around, I'm using windows at the moment
[18:41]  * Linkmaster grumbles about this
[18:41] <Linkmaster> but are they text files? or did you simply remove them?
[18:42] <JKAbrams> yep they are plain text config files for plasma desktop
[18:42] <JKAbrams> i have saved a copy
[18:42] <soee> is there any way to change globally app default icon ?
[18:43] <Linkmaster> can you pastebin them, and let me take a look?
[18:43] <JKAbrams> sure
[18:43] <shockrates> hey where can i find libflashsupport-jack ?
[18:46]  * BluesKaj repeats everyone should run ppa-purge before upgrading
[18:47] <Monika> is this a command?
[18:47] <JKAbrams> Linkmaster: i'm gonna clean them a bit from personal data and then verify that they still cause the issue, then i'll paste them for you
[18:47] <Linkmaster> JKAbrams: thats fine
[18:47] <Monika> doesn't seem like it
[18:47] <Monika> also, the affected netbook did not have any PPAs in the sources list
[18:48] <BluesKaj> Monika, it is if you have ppa-purge installed
[18:49] <Monika> what exactly does it do? only remove ppas from the sources.list or also remove installed things that came from ppas?
[18:50] <JKAbrams> when I upgraded the upgrade process itself removed my applications installed from ppa, replaced them with stable versions and inactivated the ppa's in the list
[18:51] <BluesKaj> Monika, mkae sure by checking /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[18:57] <Monika> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is empty
[18:58] <BluesKaj> ok good
[19:02] <BluesKaj> !netbook
[19:03] <BluesKaj> !info netbook
[19:03] <BluesKaj> heh
[19:08] <Monika> After upgrading to Kubuntu 11.04, KDE does not start anymore by itself when selecting KDE Plasma Workspace in kdm. Instead a konsole starts, without window decoration. When I type startkde, KDE starts successfully. /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop looks normal. kubuntu-desktop is installed. The same problem occurs for a newly created user. Reconfiguring kdm, upstart and xserver-xorg...
[19:08] <Monika> ...did not help. Reinstalling kdm and plasma-desktop did not help.  Other ideas?
[19:12] <cuco> hi all, after update to 11.04, I lost the effects in kwin... I have an ATI card. What can I do?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> Monika, there some probs with netbook installs, but the netbook experts seem to be away , perhaps some forum research ?
[19:14] <Monika> I doubt it's a netbook-specific problem. My other netbook had no problems.
[19:18] <LINKSWORD2> Greetings all, from the land of Hyrule.
[19:19] <BluesKaj> hey LINKSWORD2
[19:20] <LINKSWORD2> BluesKaj: Do you know much about Kopete?
[19:20] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, nope , sorry ...hever use it
[19:20] <BluesKaj> never
[19:20] <Monika> Searches show that apparently for everyone else it was an error in /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop and/or solved with reconfiguring kdm
[19:20] <LINKSWORD2> Know anyone that does?
[19:21] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, afraid not ...most ppl use dedicted irc clients here
[19:22] <LINKSWORD2> I'm using Quassel for IRC, of course. But with Kopete, I would prefer an option to sign on as Invisible... But there doesn't appear to be such an option.
[19:24] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, do you mean unaffiliated ?
[19:25] <LINKSWORD2> Uh... What? lol
[19:27] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, cloaked
[19:27] <LINKSWORD2> OK, lemme explain. Microsoft's MSN (Windows Live Messenger) gives you the ability to sign in with a default status, of which I choose "Appear Offline", which some other messengers, i.e. Pidgin, list as "Invisible."
[19:28] <BluesKaj> invisible is a poor choice of words
[19:29] <LINKSWORD2> Perhaps, but I hope that I have made my intentions clear, at this point.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, go to #freenode and ask the ppl there if cloaked will work with kopete , I'm sure it does, then it will with quassel as well
[19:31] <BluesKaj> then ask them to cloak you  ..they'll give you instructions
[19:31] <LINKSWORD2> I don't need to be cloaked on Quassel. I just prefer a default status option on Kopete or Pidgin.
[19:32] <BluesKaj> well , I would still ask them what to do at #freenode
[19:34] <LINKSWORD2> ... I may just wind up switching to Pidgin. :(
[19:34] <Linkmaster> I hate using winblows :l
[19:35] <LINKSWORD2> LMAO!
[19:35] <LINKSWORD2> Welcome back, Linkmaster
[19:35] <Linkmaster> Why thank you. I got quassel on windows, which I think is an atrocity, but...its better then XChat
[19:37] <Linkmaster> I gotta boot back into my beloved Linux, I shall return momentarily
[19:37]  * Linkmaster presses and holds the power button grinning evily
[19:40] <Linkmaster> back :D
[19:41] <Monika> wb
[19:43] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, they porte quassel to windows ? ...is nothing sacred ..even mplayer is there now too.
[19:43] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: thats what I was thinking D: I was quite depressed to see such amazingness on something that is so terrible
[19:44] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: though, there is still one sacred thing left! :D
[19:44] <Monika> which is that?
[19:45] <BluesKaj> there's  really no need to run windows in my case...not a gamer
[19:45] <Linkmaster> Its the Linux kernel :D They'll never port that over
[19:54] <cuco> after update to 11
[19:55] <cuco> after update to 11.04, i lost the effects in kde4/kwin. i assumed that the open source drivers do work "enough"... but I am wrong... I am using ATI 5700, can I keep the free drivers, or should I move to the closed sources ones?
[19:56] <Peace-> tried with xserver?
[19:56] <cuco> Peace-: me?
[19:57] <Peace-> yes
[19:57] <cuco> yes,... X is running...?
[19:59] <Peace-> sorry i mean xrender
[19:59] <Peace-> cuco: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/04/plasma-desktoplS1737.jpg
[20:00] <cuco> ok... nice :)
[20:00] <cuco> still some effects are missing :(
[20:01] <Peace-> well 11.04 sucks for video cards
[20:01] <Peace-> i guess the kernel is not the best
[20:01] <Peace-> you could try another driver for your card
[20:01] <Peace-> ...but..
[20:02] <cuco> they alll suck. Since the move to xorg (from xfree86) the video stack is a mess, and always experimenting. I hope this will stabilize in the next year...
[20:02] <Peace-> there is ppa for xdrivers
[20:02] <Peace-> ...
[20:02] <Peace-> but xD it's not safe for nobs
[20:03] <cuco> how can i know if i am running the ATI driver, of the free from xorg?
[20:03] <Peace-> !ati
[20:05] <cuco> blop! now sound is borked.
[20:06] <Peace-> instal veromix
[20:08] <cuco> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver <- I shuold have "3d acceleration"... nice :(
[20:09] <hal9000_> CLEAR
[20:10] <BluesKaj> cuco, run fglxgears
[20:10]  * cuco cleans his system from ATI's code
[20:12] <cuco> BluesKaj: I only have glxgears, which runs. No fglxgears
[20:13] <hal9000_> Please help, when I log into Kubuntu 11.04, I get a message box that says "touch pad not found" I've went into system settings to try to figure out how to disable this but nothing is working. I have a desktop system that doesn't have a touch pad...
[20:13]  * cuco restarts X
[20:13]  * LINKSWORD2 dies laughing
[20:14]  * BluesKaj tries to recall the 3d 6 sided cube name from his ati days
[20:16] <BluesKaj> fglrxgears , cuco ?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> but fglrx requires the driver by the same name
[20:19] <hal9000_> Oh, wait, I found a triangle on the task bar that says "show hidden icons" the synaptics mouse pad icon was in there, I removed it, well, time to reboot to see if it stops telling me it cant find whats not there
[20:19] <cuco> arg... the open source driver works, but not as good as I expected.. :(
[20:20] <LINKSWORD2> ROFL!
[20:22] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, am I thinkng what you're laughing about ...he installed netbook version on a desktop?
[20:23] <LINKSWORD2> Yes.
[20:23] <LINKSWORD2> And while that will work, it's a... *ahem*... Shall we say, a royal pain to get it properly working?
[20:24] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, actually it's a bug on some installs ..I had the indicator tell me the same thing when I installed maverick
[20:25] <BluesKaj> which was an upgrade from lucid , not a clean
[20:26] <LINKSWORD2> Hmm....
[20:26] <mikemike> I'm trying to get Rhapsody to run on Firefox with Ubuntu OS. The Rhapsody site says to download adobe flashplayer.  When I do, I get the message Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (apt) isn't asssociated with any program.  I've googled the error message & tried everything that was suggested by the posts. (sudo......) Any suggestions?
[20:27] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, it disappeared after a few days of updates
[20:27] <LINKSWORD2> I see.
[20:28] <LINKSWORD2> BluesKaj: Can I assign programs to start automatically after my login session loads?
[20:35] <BluesKaj> LINKSWORD2, system settings /startup and shutdown/autostart add program
[20:37] <LINKSWORD2> Sweeeetttt....
[20:38] <LINKSWORD2> Awesome. Thanks.
[20:39] <mikemike> Thanks for all your help.
[20:45] <Programmer_> when i boot my pc it gets stuck on some blackscreen with text falshing the kubuntu boot screen
[20:46] <Programmer_> the screen says something about wicd and my virtual box stuff. it also gets stuff in a loop with that
[20:51] <Programmer_> anyone?
[21:01] <Guest47727> hello
[21:02] <Monika> hello
[21:03] <Guest47727> am having problems making my samsung mp3 player work on 11.04
[21:05] <Guest47727> and hello Monika thank you for replying
[21:06] <Guest47727> hello DareDevil
[21:06] <Monika> what exactly are you trying to achieve
[21:07] <Guest47727> i plugged in my mp3 player and kubuntu isnt recgonising it Monika
[21:08] <Monika> you could search for the name of your mp3 player on one of the Ubuntu forums, maybe someone is using the same and has solved the problem already
[21:16] <Monika> After upgrading to Kubuntu 11.04, KDE does not start anymore by itself when selecting KDE Plasma Workspace in kdm. Instead a konsole starts, without window decoration. When I type startkde, KDE starts successfully. /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop looks normal. kubuntu-desktop is installed. The same problem occurs for a newly created user. Reconfiguring kdm, upstart and xserver-xorg...
[21:16] <Monika> ...did not help. Reinstalling kdm and plasma-desktop did not help.  Other ideas?
[21:59] <behzad> how to set background opacity in KDE4.6.2
[22:13] <Night-Hacks> ive encrypted my home folder while installing
[22:14] <Night-Hacks> now i want to decrypt it to able to see home folder contents via live cd'd
[22:14] <Night-Hacks> any idea ?
[22:18] <bbr> hola, como recupero el icono de sonido en el panel?
[22:18] <Night-Hacks> what ?!
[22:18] <Monika> wants to recover the sound icon in the panel
[22:21] <xboxowns> hey guys
[22:22] <xboxowns> I have added a new widget by clicking on the thing on the top right corner of the screen and selected comics
[22:22] <xboxowns> then I selected the comics I want and clicked installed
[22:22] <xboxowns> but nothing happened
[22:22] <xboxowns> I still have the configure button and I am unable to select the comic strip to read
[22:22] <xboxowns> what did I do wrong?
[22:24] <Monika> probably nothing, try logging out and back in
[22:25] <xboxowns> ok
[22:25] <xboxowns> let us try
[22:29] <xboxowns> Mmmmmmmmmmmmmaaan kubuntu is my favorite OS :D
[22:29] <xboxowns> the comic feature is SWEEEET
[22:29] <xboxowns> I am into comic strip a lot :d
[23:36] <tanaka> yo
[23:43] <Monika> After upgrading to Kubuntu 11.04, KDE does not start anymore by itself when selecting KDE Plasma Workspace in kdm. Instead a konsole starts, without window decoration. When I type startkde, KDE starts successfully. /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop looks normal. kubuntu-desktop is installed. The same problem occurs for a newly created user. Reconfiguring kdm, upstart and xserver-xorg...
[23:43] <Monika> ...did not help. Reinstalling kdm and plasma-desktop did not help. Other ideas?