[00:05] <silverarrow> on what?
[00:11] <phillw> Tandyman100: afaik, our head dev has lubuntu on an eee pc, so you should be quite safe in that regard.
[00:14] <rdpate> I'm also trying lubuntu for the first time, and it looks to be exactly what I want for an older machine which, despite it's age, I still use heavily and still works great
[00:14] <rdpate> its*
[00:15] <Tandyman100> yeah
[00:15] <Tandyman100> Pentium III-class is perfect for this :)
[00:18] <silverarrow> lubutu runs fast on new coputers too
[00:19] <silverarrow> but great for older ones
[00:21] <rdpate> I might end up using it other places, but I don't like to change systems too much at once ;)
[00:23] <silverarrow> yeah, it has to wrok
[00:23] <silverarrow> work
[00:23] <silverarrow> the only thing I might miss in lubuntu is totem player
[00:23] <silverarrow> but it needs major ram and cpu
[00:24] <silverarrow> like 2GB and duo core
[00:25]  * phillw one of things that strikes us the most, is that people are using lubuntu on computers that could quite happily run main 'ubuntu'. and as for some of the things lubuntu users do to their 'lean, mean & green" system - well......
[00:38] <Tandyman100> heh
[00:39] <Tandyman100> honestly, I'd rather run lubuntu than the main ubuntu
[00:39] <Tandyman100> because <3 LXDA
[00:39] <Tandyman100> LXDE*
[01:08] <sumrandom> yo guys
[01:08] <sumrandom> using the minimal installer, installation finishes, computer restarts and I get a flashing yellow cursor and nothing else
[01:09] <sumrandom> something i missed?
[01:10] <sumrandom> no response from typing etc
[01:10] <sumrandom> as far as i know the installation went ok
[01:10] <sumrandom> but the yellow flashing cursor is taunting me :D
[01:11] <Unit193> sumrandom: Did you install lubuntu-desktop ?
[01:11] <sumrandom> i haven't even gotten to a prompt yet
[01:12] <sumrandom> installation finishes, 'remove cd and press enter to restart' computer restarts then nothing
[01:12] <Unit193> Can you switch to a TTY? CTRL+ALT+F1 ?
[01:13] <sumrandom> lol spot the newfag, that was all it took. i am officially an idiot
[01:14] <sumrandom> thanks heaps dude
[01:14] <Unit193> That's what I'm using now for IRC :/
[01:14] <Unit193> Have a good one!
[01:15] <Tandyman100> oh, we're playing spot the newfag?
[01:15] <Tandyman100> Found him!
[01:15]  * Tandyman100 grabs himself
[01:15] <Unit193> Tandyman100: That doesn't sound good ;)
[01:17] <sumrandom> seems theres more than one newfag round here
[01:17] <sumrandom> :D
[01:19] <sumrandom> thats the trouble with hanging around windows for too long
[01:20] <sumrandom> actually typing anything into a prompt is weird
[01:30] <rdpate> if you're technical, you'll grow to like it; several years back when I realized I felt like I had to install cygwin before I could get any real work done, I knew I had to quit using windows :)
[01:31] <Unit193> I had to find me my nano :D
[01:32] <rdpate> sumrandom: don't get me wrong though, it's nice to have gui stuff for discoverability of rarely used stuff (like I'm looking on enabling the compose key in lubuntu now)
[01:35] <sumrandom> yeah guis are handy to have but i think i'm at the point where i would like to know what goes on behind all the flashy pictures
[01:36] <sumrandom> plus i'm in line to move up in my job next month, which means i will need to know at least the basics
[01:37] <sumrandom> hey side note, setting up a server with no gui
[01:38] <sumrandom> how tough is that really?
[01:38] <sumrandom> *webserver
[01:38] <rdpate> with some flavor of ubuntu? not hard (not that I've ever done it completely from start to finish... I do have one running locally though ;)
[01:39] <sumrandom> sweet
[01:39] <rdpate> I imagine debian is nearly identical, and other distros probably differ most by package names
[01:40] <jmarsden> rdpate: Debian and Ubuntu have a way ot splitting up the various apache config files that is great, but is not the same as other distros...
[01:40] <sumrandom> once this shitty laptop is running ok with lubuntu and i have had a bit of practice, that's the next thing to do
[01:40] <sumrandom> yeah it will be ubuntu
[01:41] <jmarsden> sumrandom: for a single site server,    sudo apt-get install apache2        is all it takes.  You can practice on your Lubuntu laptop if you want :)
[01:42] <sumrandom> sounds too easy. whats the catch? :p
[01:44] <jmarsden> sumrandom: Catch?  You then have to keep it running, securely, add whatever features you need for your web apps (maybe PHP, MySQL, etc...) and then add capability for multiple virtualhosts so you can run many sites on one server... :)
[01:46] <sumrandom> haha sounds like a decent challenge
[01:47] <sumrandom> especially from a command line
[01:47] <sumrandom> yuss it worked, laptop is alive
[01:48] <sumrandom> many thanks for the help guys, and that includes for when i break it in 20 minutes and have to come running back
[01:48] <sumrandom> :D
[01:48] <sumrandom> bye for now, breakfast time
[03:40] <MichealH> Unit193: Isn't nano in that CLI of yours? :P
[03:41] <Unit193> MichealH: That was with the speaking of windows... (There is a nano version for windows)
[03:41] <MichealH> Oops w/c... thought this was -offtopic
[03:41] <MichealH> :P
[03:41] <MichealH> Unit193: But nano is not preinstalled with Windows
[03:41] <MichealH> iirc
[04:59] <head_victim> jmarsden: logging out and back in fixed the opening menu items as root thing. No idea what caused it originally though
[04:59] <jmarsden> head_victim: OK.  Well, at least it has gone away, for now :)
[05:00] <head_victim> Yeah, it kinda spooked me that things would just open as root with so much as prompting for a password
[05:00] <jmarsden> I'm not sure they really were... if they were, they would have been able to read your files, not given you permissions errors...
[05:01] <head_victim> Well top was reporting them as being run by root and chromium browser was whinging that it can't be run by root.
[05:01] <head_victim> Either way it was odd
[05:02] <jmarsden> Agreed.
[07:22] <Unit193> Howdy, pcman
[12:24] <numero> hello!
[12:24] <numero> great distro but i don't have sound :P
[12:24] <numero> can anyone help me ? i have checked alsamixer and installed asoundconf(to choose sound card) but the problem still remains
[12:25] <numero> also i installed pulse audio applet but it shows as an output device only the dummy sound..
[17:40] <AmberJ> Hello
[17:40] <AmberJ> Does lubuntu also uses GDM etc bloat stuff like other *buntu distros?
[17:49] <phillw> AmberJ: we use lxdm
[17:54] <AmberJ> phillw, So, does that means that lubuntu is going to be many times faster than xubuntu (and xfce in general)?
[17:55] <AmberJ> I know chrome is more lightweight than firefox but I personally prefer firefox....So, even if lubuntu ships chrome, I can always get firefox off the repos...I just want that distro should not use bloat applications under the hood...
[17:55] <phillw> AmberJ: it uses the least resiources for the desktop out of the variants, so it should be more responsive on computers with limited resources (a,k,k
[17:55] <phillw> a,k,a old ones!
[17:57] <phillw> It took me a while to get used to Chromium, but it is good brower. As you say, it is YOUR computer, customise it as you wish! (I have a LAMP installation on mine!)
[17:58] <AmberJ> Oh ok....I dont need loads of features...I even played with minimalistic window managers a year ago or so. Now I'm starting to hit that milestone when you dont want to fiddle with (custom) setup of WM/DE. I just need a 'feature-polite' distro that is lightweight and quick to setup.
[17:58] <AmberJ> Ok, I'll try lubuntu then :)
[17:59] <AmberJ> phillw, I will stop using firefox at this instant only if chrome does 'tree style vertical tabs" like tabkit kinda functionality in firefox...
[18:00] <phillw> you can make lubuntu as light as you wish, there is even a 'core' install that has just enough to get a screen up and then you add your own apps one at a time for those who really want the n'th degree of customisation!
[18:01] <AmberJ> great
[18:13] <rdpate> AmberJ: I used opera for about a decade before Chrome existed, and recently I've gone back to it as a better and lighter weight alternative; you might like it
[18:14] <rdpate> if I understand you correctly, "tree-style vertical tabs" is supported by default in the "windows" panel, and then you can turn off the "traditional" tab bar at the top
[18:45] <AmberJ> rdpate, I just downloaded opera (I remember using it 1 year ago or so and I dont know why I came back to firefox :D)
[18:45] <AmberJ> rdpate, Care to elaborate as to how I can enable vertical tabs in opera?
[18:49] <rdpate> maybe I misunderstand what you mean by it, but press f4 to show the panel bar if it's not shown
[18:49] <rdpate> look for a "windows" icon (right click the toolbar, "customize", to add it if not there)
[18:50] <rdpate> the windows panel shows all windows with all tabs in an easier way to search through them vertically -- is this what you want?
[18:50] <AmberJ> rdpate, nvm...I got it working :)
[18:50] <AmberJ> rdpate, My tab bar now looks very similar to http://blog.ciscavate.org/wp-content/2009/06/opera-clean.png
[18:52] <AmberJ> rdpate, "windows" panel is much better (atleast it seems so at first thought)
[18:52] <AmberJ> rdpate, Thanks a lot :)
[18:54] <rdpate> welcome. as much as I love my vertical space, a horizontal tab bar just works better for me :)
[18:55] <rdpate> in fact, later on I need to see about moving lubuntu's default panel over to the left (and maybe a bit bigger) -- didn't look good when I tried before
[19:16] <AmberJ> Off now. laters
[20:02] <phillw> bodhizazen: sadly, iweb will not allow torrents on a shared server. They will be allowed on Derrick's dedicated server when it gets up and running.
[20:02]  * phillw anyone got the md5 for jmarsden's community 64 bit lubuntu?
[20:06]  * phillw cancel last request, I found the mail list with it on :)
[20:41] <bodhizazen> phillw, no problem
[20:41] <bodhizazen> torrents (server side) can take up a ton of bandwidth, and obviously misused as well
[21:03] <rdpate> phillw: some torrent clients also support "web seeds" so you can add an http source for a download
[21:04] <rdpate> from a bandwidth management perspective, it would be better if they allowed a torrent seed capped at a certain rate, *shrug*
[21:10] <phillw> rdpate: that is what we will have on the dedicated server, I'm currently on a shared server and they have been really good with my hosting iso's  for both lubuntu and now zenix.
[21:40] <rdpate> how can I setup winkey (mod4) + h/l to switch desktops left/right?
[21:44] <KM0201> is lubuntu 11.10 available for testing yet?
[21:45] <bioterror> yes
[21:45] <KM0201> for just anybody, or only dev's?
[21:45] <bioterror> KM0201, you should join mailing list
[21:45] <KM0201> probably should.
[21:45] <bioterror> KM0201, http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/
[21:46] <KM0201> i hope you guys are seeding the torrent!  :0
[21:49] <phillw> bioterror: more to the point, have you sorted out why your last attempt with 11.10.jm ended up at 1.1GB? If so, can you pop on the 11.10 a1
[21:49] <phillw> s/11.01.jm/11.04.jm
[21:49] <bioterror> phillw, already done that
[21:49] <bioterror> phillw, read logs
[21:52] <KM0201> i see the mailing list, but i don't see a way to sign up for it
[21:52] <KM0201> or do i have to check in via the website?
[21:53] <bioterror> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[21:53] <bioterror> join the team
[21:53] <KM0201> oh ok.. i see
[21:54] <bioterror> there's on the bottom that mailing list
[21:54] <bioterror> Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list.
[21:54] <KM0201> yeah, i see it
[22:18] <woodworks> how  different is lubuntu from ubuntu itself?
[22:18] <woodworks> is it better at resource management?
[22:42] <KM0201> hmm, thats a loaded questino.
[22:42] <KM0201> lol
[22:48] <KM0201> !mini
[22:49] <phillw> KM0201: it's an easy question to answer, lxde uses much lower resources than the other flavours :)
[22:49] <KM0201> phillw: :)
[22:53] <phillw> KM0201: on a laptop it can make the difference between 6 hours battery life and 8 hours. It is lean, mean and GREEN. on a laptop it was using about 1 - 2 watts less than 'other' DM's.
[22:54] <KM0201> phillw: that woudlnt' surprise me.. ubuntu used to DRAIN my laptop battery.
[22:54] <KM0201> now, my laptop is plugged in most of the time, but i noticed th eother day, rather than lasting 2-3hrs w/ Ubuntu, i had it unplugged for about 4.5hrs, before the battery indicator went red.
[22:57] <phillw> KM0201: we have a standing joke for applications to be allowed into lubuntu. 1) They must use no CPU time, 2) They must use no RAM 3) They must no occupy any hard disk space. - Apart from those 3 rules, we're pretty easy going as to what is allowed in :)
[22:57] <KM0201> lol
[23:00] <phillw> KM0201: you will see, hopefully, just how tightly this is upheld. Apps are tested and the lowest usage version against usability wins. Just like Apollo 13 - we have so many Amps, we cannot go over it. We are not going to break the reason for lubuntu.
[23:00] <KM0201> lol
[23:02] <KM0201> i kinda like the minimalist approach of lubuntu
[23:25] <Tandyman100> agreed
[23:34] <KM0201> i'm trying the mini iso in vbox now for some reason
[23:34] <KM0201> lol
[23:36] <Tandyman100> "This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: cmov"
[23:36] <Tandyman100> AMD K6-2/400
[23:36] <Tandyman100> hmm
[23:41] <phillw> Tandyman100: funny you shoukld say that, there is a lubuntu for that :)
[23:42] <phillw> i wish dragoneyes was allowed on here :(
[23:43] <phillw> Tandyman100: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GetLubuntu#10.04
[23:45] <KM0201> who is dragoneyes?
[23:47] <phillw> KM0201: DragonEyes is a an admin bot who we can make swift alterations to. s
[23:47] <KM0201> oh.. ok.
[23:47] <phillw> As we have a ubot on here, we only bring him for kick-banning trolls.
[23:48] <phillw> DragonEyes: how are you today?
[23:48] <DragonEyes> phillw: I am functioning within normal parameters.
[23:49] <phillw> ;part #lubuntu
[23:49] <Unit193> ...and for a little play