[00:09] <Ian_Corne> just thought about it, 11.10 will be all about third iteration
[00:09] <Ian_Corne> linux 3.0
[00:10] <Ian_Corne> gnome 3.0
[00:10] <Ian_Corne> gtk 3
[00:14] <micahg> Ian_Corne: gnome 3.2 actually
[00:27] <eross> with all these changes and when i code a couple of gui applications using c/c++, what's the recommended gui front-end to use? gtk, gnome? That being asked, I'm thinking in terms of the default installation
[00:31] <eross> is QT the way to go?
[03:11] <litropy> I recently installed gnome-shell. Mind you, I'm in Unity - I just wanted to have it as an option. When I press my power-on/off button, gnome-shell starts up, then immediately hibernates my computer. When I awake it, gnome-shell asks for my password, then logs me ... back into Unity. I can find no instance of gnome-shell running. All my sessions = ubuntu (which means Unity). Any ideas as to what's happening?
[03:12] <litropy> (I'm pressing power on/off with my computer on, using Unity.
[03:14] <litropy> Or maybe it's just suspending, as Power syspane says.
[03:14] <litropy> So I just changed that to Ask me ...
[03:15] <litropy> Yep. Now I get the usual options. Hmph. But why on earth would it switch to gnome-panel upon suspend?
[03:18] <litropy> Heheh. It's a relief to know +1'ers like to enjoy their weekend. I'm about to head out myself. If I don't hear from you before shutdown, everyone have a good weekend.
[03:50] <rinkukokiri> does build-essential come installed by default now? (as of 11.04)
[04:04] <rww> rinkukokiri: 1) 11.04 stuff goes in #ubuntu, 2) looks like it.
[14:51] <Testittt> hi+
[14:56] <wzssyqa> Testittt: hi
[14:58] <Adys> The package 'update-manager' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.
[14:58] <Adys> What's with that?
[15:01] <charlie-tca> update-manager is one of those things that make life difficult if it is removed
[15:02] <Adys> just using do-release-upgrade, but that seemed a bit weird
[15:05] <penguin42> hmm I should try an upgrade on something againnow that Alpha1 is out and see if it's any less disasterous
[16:32] <Volkodav> strange that neither probes another install - natty does not see Oneiric on the other drive and same with Oneiric's grub. Have to change hdd sequence in BIOS
[16:32] <Volkodav> can't loging in gnome day 2
[17:07] <Volkodav> where do i change fonts ? And why gnome session is not loading ?
[17:40] <Volkodav> hmm - gnome is not installable  gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.30+7ubuntu3) but 1:2.30+7ubuntu3 is to be installed
[17:43] <alex_mayorga> how crashy is the alpha?
[17:48] <BUGabundo> Not much
[17:48] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo: thanks! what's broken?
[17:50] <BUGabundo> No GTK engine
[17:50] <BUGabundo> Duect
[17:50] <BUGabundo> Due to transition to gnome 3.2
[17:51] <alex_mayorga> if I use plain gnome, would I see breakage?
[17:51] <alex_mayorga> nouveau still doesn't like my card I believe
[17:54] <penguin42> better than last week - now it will let me log into gnome
[19:37] <elros> i'm using lubuntu 11.10, and have three network managers in systray
[19:38] <elros> is this common, and does someone have a solution?
[19:39] <elros> with gnome shell and unity, there's no problem, only with lxde and xfce
[19:39] <rww> Someone mentioned the same problem the other day, so I guess it's common.
[19:39] <rww> No idea how to fix it, though.
[19:39] <elros> ok
[19:44] <Volkodav> how do I change a theme in Unity ?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> elros: I would expect that gnome-panel and xfce4-panel are both loading, and probably the lxde panel, too
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Which give some of the icons two and three times
[21:21] <KM0201> dang, is alpha1 already out?
[21:21] <rww> yes
[21:22]  * KM0201 did not know that.. :)
[21:22] <KM0201> and here i've been messing w/ fedora 15
[21:24] <astraljava> KM0201: We won't judge you for it. :D
[21:24] <KM0201> :)
[21:25] <elros> the packages are always greener on the other distro
[21:29]  * astraljava LOLs @ elros 
[21:43] <KM0201> where's the ISO download?
[21:43] <KM0201> !download
[21:44] <genii-around> KM0201: Probably on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:44] <KM0201> ty
[21:44] <Volkodav> How do I change the fonts in Unity - can't find the option
[21:46] <jbicha> to change the fonts, you'll probably need to use dconf-editor or gnome-tweak-tool
[21:46] <penguin42> Volkodav: Click on the 0/1 power button, go to system settings, click appearance and then the font tab
[21:47] <jbicha> penguin42: that's not how it works now in gnome-control-center 3
[21:47] <penguin42> oh yes, 3 - ahem
[23:17] <Volkodav> There is no appearance there
[23:18] <Volkodav> it's all changed around hmm
[23:19] <Volkodav> no close buttons on the windows
[23:19] <Volkodav> strange
[23:21] <Ian_Corne> it finally feels like a proper alpha :D
[23:23] <BUGabundo> fuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[23:23] <BUGabundo> the network manager is making me blow !!!
[23:23] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[23:23] <BUGabundo> stupid thing
[23:23] <Ian_Corne> what's it doing?
[23:23] <BUGabundo> pidgin can't conntect
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> haven't had a problem yet
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> yeah
[23:24] <BUGabundo> I even made a new profile
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> pidgin and empathy are broken for me atm
[23:24] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: how?
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> i guessed it was libpurple
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> they don't connect :)
[23:24] <BUGabundo> no
[23:24] <BUGabundo> its NM
[23:24] <BUGabundo> I just talked on #pidgin
[23:24] <BUGabundo> we have the same version that natty has
[23:24] <BUGabundo> and their ppa
[23:27] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[23:28] <yofel> NM breaks about everything (the KDE NM applet too btw. ^^)
[23:28] <penguin42> yofel: The KDE one is pretty dodgy for me - if my machine boots up without the DHCP server working (i.e. if that's still coming up) then it never auto finds it in KDE, I have to prod nm manually at the cmd line
[23:30] <yofel> hm, usually works fine, but since nm 0.9 was uploaded it doesn't work at all here
[23:30] <yofel> it sees the neworks for wifi, but only says Err: Invalid state
[23:36] <penguin42> yofel: o the nm command line tools work?
[23:36] <penguin42> ^D
[23:36] <yofel> no idea, I stop it and use wpa_supplicant by hand
[23:37] <yofel> the KDE applet can't create system connections, so I never seem to find my connections with the command line tools
[23:38] <penguin42> I don't know if I've ever done the nmcli stuff for wireless
[23:39] <BUGabundo> ANYONE REMEMBERS HOW TO CHANGE INPUT BO?
[23:39] <BUGabundo> *BOX
[23:39] <BUGabundo> oops sorry for the caps
[23:39] <BUGabundo> I can't rezise mine
[23:39] <BUGabundo> it was fine before the format
[23:59] <penguin42> well, OO alpa1 fixes the iscsi root problem