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Laneymy place in nottingham00:02
ali1234argh zombies00:17
ali1234zombies, in my computer?00:17
ali1234oh wait, it;s cos I had gdb attached still00:18
shaunothis is pretty nifty.  takes about 15 seconds to reboot  (measured from clicking reboot, to my irc client being usable again)01:54
popeyMorning07:48
MooDoohelloa ll08:50
TheOpenSourcerermorning08:50
TheOpenSourcererI'm just about to head off to 't north08:50
TheOpenSourcererGoing to see some friends who live near Wetherby08:51
TheOpenSourcererBloody long way that is.08:51
TheOpenSourcererttfn08:52
popeyttfn08:52
danfishdon't forget the passport, warewolf repellant and whippet treats ;)08:53
MartijnVdSscary fast09:33
MooDoolooks like everyone is either still in bed or out in the sun :)09:33
MartijnVdSplaying with my xoom.. does that count? :-)09:33
popeyinstalling windows 7 ☹09:35
MooDoopopey: standard?09:36
popeyhome premium09:36
MooDoocool09:36
popeyso painfully slow to install09:37
MooDooyup and then there are upates after.....but once it's fully installed it's ok09:38
popeyshould be quick once installed onto ssd09:38
* popey goes to mow the lawn whilst that runs09:38
popeyhello BakedBean09:56
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:53
BigRedSGooooooood Morning!10:55
brobostigonmorning BigRedS10:55
jacobw good morning :)11:09
brobostigonmorning jacobw :)11:09
jacobw'tis sunny and warm11:10
jacobwunusual for these isles11:10
brobostigonwindy*11:16
* jacobw → gym11:16
brobostigonhve fun jacobw11:20
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Seeker`Has anyone used a netgear N300 Wireless USB adaptor with ubuntu successfully?12:19
gordreasons why password dialogs should always steal 100% focus #1431 - you type your password in to an irc channel instead of steam...12:35
kaushalHi13:19
kaushalI have a specific case wherein I have two sources.list one is global and other is local13:20
kaushalso global is denied when i am in office and allowed once i am out of office13:20
kaushalso is there a way to switch it automatically ?13:21
kaushalmeaning once in office point to local and out of office point to global13:21
kaushalis that possible ?13:21
dwatkinskaushal: you might be able to have a service script run at boot-time to ascertain which location you are at based on IP range of eth0 or wlan0, but I wonder if it might be possible to do it another way, by only having one file.13:38
dwatkinsjacobw: it's windy and overcast but bright in Edinburgh today13:39
kaushaldwatkins: any example ?13:40
dwatkinskaushal: I wonder if it might be possible to add entries to /etc/hosts to allow the same file to be used - what is different about the two files, exactly?13:41
kaushaldwatkins: sure13:41
kaushallet me pastebin it13:41
dwatkinscool, I'm interested to see13:42
* dwatkins rediscovers the fun that it colours in irssi and GNU Screen13:43
gorddon't entries in sources.list prefer the first entires then the second? so you could happly have both entiered in and it should work fine?13:46
kaushaldwatkins: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/618288/13:46
dwatkinsgord: I considered that, but wouldn't that mean it would have to time-out with the DNS entries?13:46
kaushalthe last three lines are local13:46
dwatkinskaushal: what happens when you try to look-up or access the external hosts from inside the office network?13:47
gorddwatkins, not really. i mean you'll just get a does not exist13:47
dwatkinsah I see what you mean, gord13:47
kaushalit says blocked13:47
dwatkinsgord: for me, when I try to look up dyndns.org addresses from work, I get 127.0.0.2 back from the DNS server13:47
dwatkinskaushal: so as gord suggests, you could use that file in theory, right?13:48
gordinteresting. but even then apt will just try and get from 127.0.0.2 and fail quickly13:48
kaushalgord: so put local and global in the same sources.list ?13:48
gordit'll only take ages to time out if your networking doesn't respond to port connection requests. a lot of crappy routers do that in a terrible attempt at "hiding"13:49
kaushalyes13:49
kaushalit actually sucks13:49
gordkaushal, pretty much13:49
kaushalinstead just point to local when i am in office13:49
kaushalits clean13:50
kaushalgord: is that doable ?13:50
gordkaushal, not sure what your asking13:50
dwatkinskaushal: give it a try and see?13:50
kaushaldwatkins: I have tried that already but it sucks13:50
kaushaldwatkins: so two things here13:51
kaushalonce in office point to local and then get automatically updated13:51
kaushaland out of office point to global and then get automatically updated13:52
kaushalis it tricky ?13:52
kaushalam i asking more ?13:52
dwatkinsWhat are you asking, kaushal?13:54
gordyou could just have a home.list and office.lst in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and switch them out on detecting where you are, but ehhh sounds hacky to me13:54
kaushalgord: exactly13:54
kaushalgord: possible right ?13:54
kaushaldwatkins: Am i not clear ?13:55
gordtheoretically, but its so hacky13:56
kaushalgord: Any example ?13:57
gordnope13:57
kaushalgord: np13:58
kaushalI am sure someone might have thought of it already13:59
kaushalisnt it ?13:59
dwatkinskaushal: I see what you mean, it's probably just a case of copying the skeleton /etc/init.d/ script and modifying it to test what IP address range you're in and copy the relevant file.13:59
kaushalyes13:59
kaushaldwatkins: perfect13:59
kaushaldwatkins: Any working skeleton example :)14:01
dwatkinskaushal: there are plenty in /etc/init.d/ ;)14:05
dwatkinsSorry, I can't write it for you, I have to go offline for a bit, but will be back and smelling better shortly.14:06
kaushaldwatkins: np14:06
kaushaldwatkins: Thanks14:06
dwatkinswelcome :) ciao kaushal, gord et al14:06
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Adriannom"Note that the quality of the re-sampling depends on the setting of the pitch behaviour. Having key lock disabled (“vinyl emulation” in 1.8.x and below) will use linear interpolation, which doesn't sound very good (you will notice graininess and increased noise, especially obvious on high, long notes)." <--- what's key lock?14:35
Adriannomnevermind14:37
daubersAfternoon15:23
MartijnVdS\o daubers15:25
brobostigonafternoonings daubers15:25
* daubers starts sorting photos15:25
daubersMy camera still smells of bees15:26
MartijnVdSooh, been doing some hive shots?15:26
daubersMartijnVdS: Yes! At River Cottage too :)15:28
daubersWas very excited. First time I've actually handled bees15:28
MartijnVdSRiver Cottage?15:29
daubersHugh Fernley Wittingstalls (sp?) place15:29
daubersFrom the telle15:29
* MartijnVdS found the website15:29
penguin42daubers: erm what do bees smell like?15:30
MartijnVdSpenguin42: yummy honey15:30
dauberspenguin42: A mix of honey, wax and peropolis15:30
* penguin42 tries to avoid getting close enough to bees to smell them15:30
dauberspenguin42: and in a roundabout kinda way.... my camera15:31
MartijnVdSdaubers: I've started going to this place for pictures: http://archeon.nl/engels/home.html15:31
MartijnVdSdaubers: (it's just around the corner)15:31
daubersMartijnVdS: That looks quite cool :)15:32
MartijnVdSdaubers: check my flickr stream for examples :)15:32
MartijnVdS(for others: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157624906925557/ )15:35
daubersHmmm... It's really hard getting pictures focused properly through a veil15:39
daubershttp://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/5796247497/in/photostream15:39
dwatkinsimpressivel, daubers15:40
dwatkinsalso, impressive.15:40
MartijnVdSdaubers: I've turned to Live View for that15:40
MartijnVdSdaubers: and manual focus :)15:40
daubersMartijnVdS: Can't autofocus with that lens :) It's broked15:41
MartijnVdSdaubers: I can autofocus with mine, but I rarely do15:41
daubersNeed to email my local beekeeping club now15:42
daubersDefinatley got the bug15:42
MartijnVdSYou could title that photo "None of your beeswax" ;)15:43
daubersheh :)15:48
theplaguehello all!16:27
theplagueCan anyone help me restore grub?  I seem to have killed it upgrading to 11.04 from the update manager16:27
brobostigon!grub216:29
lubotu3GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)16:29
brobostigontheplague: instructions on the restoregrub opage mentioned there.16:29
theplaguethanks brobostigon - how would I know if I have grub or grub2?16:31
brobostigontheplague: as it says, if youhave after 9.10, grub2 is becomes standard.16:33
theplaguethanks - just reading through it all now though not sure if this will help.  I seem to have lost any kind of boot menu after upgrading to 11.04 - which I read is quite common.  Only problem is that a lot of the fixes already posted dont seem to be working!16:34
SuprEngrbrobostigon, live cd to "install grub" [/dev/sda] ???  any easier for theplague16:35
SuprEngr[real cmd deliberately not quoted - in case ;)16:36
brobostigonSuprEngr: that page, eplains it perfectly, andeasyto understand,16:36
SuprEngrcool16:36
theplagueits lost me already sorry.16:36
theplaguefollowing the steps, the guide says.... Verify if your partition is correct.16:37
theplaguemount | tail -116:37
theplagueYou should see output similar to this:16:37
theplague/dev/sda2 on /media/0d104aff-ec8c-44c8-b811-92b993823444 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit)16:37
brobostigontheplague: i am not the man to ask, i haent had to do it personally.16:37
theplagueI dont see anything like that16:37
theplagueNo worries brobostigon16:37
brobostigontheplague: if you try "sudo fdisk -l" do you see.16:38
SuprEngr... forgot to say o/ "hi peeps" been away for a while - apologies for absence.16:46
penguin42theplague: You say you broke it upgrading; what were you upgrading from/to and how is it broken?16:54
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Myrttiargh, jetlag is hitting hard17:47
Myrttimust - not - fall - asleep17:49
Core_UKGuys, I am trying to use xchat for gnome to auto log in to my fav irc channels. However because many freenode channels require me to be logged in and that takes a moment it wont join them18:13
Myrttihow do you currently log in? with a server password?18:22
Myrttior a autorun command?18:22
Core_UKMyrtti, yeah18:22
michael__hi18:29
kirrushi18:32
michael__nice18:34
michael__that you talk to me18:35
kirrus:)18:35
michael__well so were you from18:35
michael__?18:35
michael__Europe18:35
michael__or America18:36
michael__or Afrika18:36
michael__etc.18:36
michael__ I live in europe kirrus18:36
Core_UKCan anyone help me set up xchat? To auto join servers/channels18:36
michael__Klick IRC18:37
michael__and set it up18:37
Core_UKi need help with the setting up18:38
kirrusCore_UK: in the server listing, edit the freenode server18:38
kirrusthat'll bring up a window in which you can setup auto-login, and channel auto-joins18:39
Core_UKI tried, it joins channels before I can get identified18:39
Core_UKill try again18:39
kirrusCore_UK: that's not a problem - you just have to be indentified to keep your nick, not to use it18:40
Core_UKBut many channels require me to be identified18:40
Core_UKand so most channels I have to join manually after identify has gone through (i.e. #python)18:40
kirrusI'm not sure then.. I've not used XChat in anger for a while18:42
* kirrus afk ... good luck!18:42
Core_UKwhat do you use? :P18:42
penguin42pidgin seems to manage it normally - although occasionally doesn't; I do use xchat on a couple of channels but can't remember if either require id18:49
Core_UKSo anyone here from Blackpool? :D19:39
penguin42Manchester here19:41
Core_UKnot to far :)19:42
penguin42from your DNS I'd guessted you were Manchester as well19:43
Core_UK:)19:46
Core_UKI am in Blackpool, manchester is pobably the main hub or something19:47
* penguin42 fails to guess what the bng is for19:48
TOSDroidEvening all20:22
mattiFolks.20:29
mattiWhat do you do for backup?20:29
* penguin42 just rsync's stuff onto a crypted USB stick20:30
mattiI found this Deja Dup thing.20:30
mattiI wonder...20:30
penguin42rsync is good for copying onto pretty much any disc like thing20:30
popeymatti: i use rsnapshot to a server at home20:31
popeyi use deja-dup for my mums computer20:31
mattipopey, penguin42 :)20:32
mattiMy notebook HDD is falling apart.20:32
popey20:32
mattiSo I decided to backup.20:32
mattiJust to discover that my backup HDD died ;]20:32
mattiI was rescued by backup-of-backup.20:32
matti;]20:32
mattiI have to admit that Apple's Time Machine is convenient.20:33
mattiI wish we could have something like that for Ubuntu ;]20:33
popeyagree20:34
popeytime machine is awesome in many ways20:35
mattiI like its transparency.20:35
popeyi recently used it to enable me to upgrade the hard disk in my laptop. pulled out old one, put in new one, chucked in osx dvd, plugged in time machine device, easy past20:35
popey*peasy20:35
popeyback to where I was before I had swapped the disks in no time20:35
mattiIndeed, TM is amazing.20:37
gordhuh, just found out this laptop is sandybridge based, no one the intel driver sucks20:37
* popey has just added two SSDs to his desktop, put windows 7 (GameOS) on one, Ubuntu going on the other20:38
gordno wonder even20:38
penguin42gord: Stinks as for speed or stability?20:38
gordboth20:38
gordactually i upgraded the driver and the stability is fixed, but still get graphical glitches like crazy20:38
penguin42gord: I've had problems with the Intel driver in Natty compared to Maverick; there seems to be a bug quite a few people are hitting20:39
penguin42(but I'm on an older 945GM)20:39
popeymy laptop has 945GM20:39
popeyworks a treat20:39
gordintel just built a new mode for sandybridge devices, supposed to be way quicker, O should be fun once it gets stable20:41
gordpopey, just wondering, much of a boot speed increase with windows on the ssd? takes my copy of windows forever to boot up20:42
popeyi have no reference20:43
popeyclean install of win7 on ssd20:43
popeymy previous install was crusty xp from yore20:43
popeyon hdd20:43
popeyhappy time it though20:43
avroI'm running natty on my eeepc-1000h any specific tweaks or tips people can offer? unity 2d is already my default but this isn't the best experience I've had with ubuntu on my netbook. Helping hand anyone?20:44
gordhow so? is the interface slow?20:47
avrogord: yer generally it's a slow interface, coupled with clutter to the toolbar topright. the wireless tends to drop a lot [not a problem previously - have considered compiling compat, but always get daft error module in use errors on wlunload so not gone that far yet]. I have found quite a few bugs, when I unplug my charger the laptop will hang, login consistently asks me for a keyring password despite me telling it not to20:50
avroo in the settings..etc etc. Plus others that I experience here and there. WOW sorry for the essay.20:50
gordsounds like you have a few deep seated bugs, i would stay on maverick if i were you until they get sorted out20:51
avroyer, I'm considering the downgrade, either that or a really tailored netbook specific distro based on deb, puppy or crunchbang look good.20:52
avrobut aren't particularly netbook specific (any more - crunchbang used to have eeepc specific release but that's gone byebye20:53
penguin42avro: I've had various wifi problems on an eeepc 1001ha20:54
avropenguin42: like what?20:54
penguin42avro: A couple of versions hang on shutdown or when disabling wifi20:55
penguin42I can't actually remember which versions do that - but I think it's most20:55
avrohmmm yer, i think that is a known bug.20:55
penguin42yeh20:55
avrowhat you running at the moment20:55
* penguin42 can't actually remember - I think it#s 10.04 on there - haven't got the netbook on at the moment20:56
avroaha, fair enough. Well sounds more likely to be a kernel issue if it's causing hangs probably fixed by now.20:57
penguin42I don't think it is actually, but I can't remember what the last one I tried were - certainly tried Mavrick on it, not sure if I tried Natty yet20:58
avroany netbook specific distros that you could recommend me for the time being?21:00
mikeszHello all - anyone know how to change the permissions on a floppy drive so I can write files to it?  At present, ive mounted it, I can see a disk with 1.4mb free but whenever I try to drag a file onto it, it says I dont have permission??  (Im using the 10.04 live CD by the way)21:18
mikeszAnyone?21:25
brobostigondf -h -T   ,to see the device name, and then chmod rw permissions onthat device. maybe.21:30
mikeszcheers - will give it a go21:30
brobostigonmikesz: research the correct parameters for chmod, i cant remember them,21:31
mikeszok, this is going to sound really dim but here goes - now that I know my floppy drive is /dev/fd0 how do I 'get' to it?21:37
AlanBellyou need to mount the filesystem the disk contains21:37
mikeszcd /dev/fd0 returned : ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ cd /dev/fd021:37
mikeszbash: cd: /dev/fd0: Not a directory21:37
mikeszubuntu@ubuntu:~$21:37
AlanBellso sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy21:38
penguin42mikesz: It needs mounting, I suspect the GUIs haven't been tested with machines with floppies in it21:38
penguin42for a while21:38
AlanBellsudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy21:38
mikeszah...ok, let me give that a whirl....21:38
AlanBellcd /mnt/floppy21:38
AlanBellls -l21:38
AlanBellwin \o/21:38
penguin42AlanBell: I'd hope that udisks would do it21:38
AlanBellyeah, it should magically happen really shouldn't it21:39
mikesz(im running the live CD so perhaps why its not as straight forward?)21:40
* penguin42 will have to try it on a machine with a floppy21:41
penguin42mikesz: My guess is the problem is no one has tried it for a long time!21:43
mikeszok - well heres a question then - the whole reason im doing this is becuase ive killed my system installing 11.04 so Im trying to put a version of superGrubDisk onto a floppy so I can boot!  http://www.bootproblems.com/super-grub2-disk/21:44
penguin42oh21:45
penguin42mikesz: In that case you don't want to do the mount that Alan suggested21:45
penguin42mikesz: Do you have a floppy image file (something under 1.44MB ?)21:45
mikeszah...done it all now21:46
mikeszyeah the download from that link gives you a library of files at about 1.4mb21:46
mikeszso been trying to copy them onto a floppy disk21:46
penguin42ah you don't want to copy those21:47
penguin42mikesz: To copy those to a floppy you'll do something like sudo dd if=thenameoftheimagefile of=/dev/fd0 bs=51221:47
mikeszhow come?21:47
mikeszI extracted them to a memory stick and thought i could just copy them over21:47
AlanBellthose are complete images including boot sector and file allocation table21:48
mikeszonce i had the image file, I just selected the option to 'extract here' from my memory stick and found what looked to be the right directory of files21:48
AlanBellnot files that you want to put inside a filesystem21:48
mikeszok.  Im confused now.21:48
penguin42mikesz: Just issue that magical command I gave21:49
penguin42mikesz: With the right floppy in :-)21:49
penguin42mikesz: Having said that, if you're having trouble doing this my guess is that you are going to struggle with supergrub21:49
penguin42mikesz: When you say that 11.04 upgrade caused problems, what exactly went wrong21:49
mikeszIve been having this all day.  I was on 10.10, though in the update manager it did its usual 'there is a newer version available' so I let it do the upgrade21:50
mikeszI know you're supposed to do it from a CD but its worked in the passed for me so I just let it do it21:50
mikeszNow, I cant boot my machine21:51
penguin42no, you did the right thing - the update manager should work21:51
penguin42mikesz: OK, when you say you can't boot it exactly what happens?21:51
gordi can't help with this issue, just want to mention that people asking for help with floppies in 2011 makes me smile :)21:51
mikeszI did have windows XP dual booting with 10.10.  Now, I just get a message on my monitor saying "out of range"21:51
penguin42mikesz: OK, what's the very last thing you see before that out of range?21:52
mikeszthough it goes through normal POST and bios beep first21:52
mikeszright where the Grub menu used to come up, it now says "out of range"21:52
penguin42mikesz: OK, have you tried holding left shift down when the grub menu should come up ?21:52
mikeszyep21:52
mikeszand the down arrow key21:53
mikeszand ive tried tapping shift as well21:53
penguin42mikesz: OK, on your graphics card are there multiple outputs?21:53
mikeszhappy to give it another go though!21:53
mikeszthere are yes.  there are two outputs on the graphics card itself (the larger white ones with more pin holes - are they HDMI?)21:55
mikeszthe monitor cable has to go through a little adapter anyway when connecting to the graphics card21:55
penguin42mikesz: I'm just wondering if it's decided to show the display on the other output21:55
mikeszthey're both the same and ive never had to move it before?21:56
mikeszcan give it a go though?21:56
penguin42mikesz: Well there's obviously a bug somewhere21:56
penguin42mikesz: So it's worth trying21:57
mikeszCan I use the 10.04 live CD that I am using at the moment to just reinstall ubuntu and everything will be back to normal?21:57
mikesz(il try this thing though in a minute)21:57
penguin42mikesz: Yes a reinstall should work21:57
mikeszok - be back in 5 mins - will try this port swap....21:58
DJonesSounds like mikesz has to use a dvi adapter for his graphics21:59
mikeszback again -no joy sorry22:07
mikeszpenguin43 - tried changing the lead over to the other port, no difference.  Also tried left shift tapping, holding down, even through in a few colourful words22:08
mikeszSo if I now install from the live CD (considering its a previous version) will it put everything back the way it was and re-unite me with my grub menu and windows xp?22:09
mikeszis there a safe way of removing the partition that I currently have 11.04 installed into without messing up the partition with Windows XP on it?22:21
mikeszI seem to have a few partitions on here at the moment22:21
mikeszor, better put, can I just delete all the partitions gparted will let me delete and then install 10.04 into the largest free space?22:22

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