[00:02] <Laney> my place in nottingham
[00:17] <ali1234> argh zombies
[00:17] <ali1234> zombies, in my computer?
[00:18] <ali1234> oh wait, it;s cos I had gdb attached still
[01:54] <shauno> this is pretty nifty.  takes about 15 seconds to reboot  (measured from clicking reboot, to my irc client being usable again)
[07:48] <popey> Morning
[08:50] <MooDoo> helloa ll
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm just about to head off to 't north
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Going to see some friends who live near Wetherby
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bloody long way that is.
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> ttfn
[08:52] <popey> ttfn
[08:53] <danfish> don't forget the passport, warewolf repellant and whippet treats ;)
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> scary fast
[09:33] <MooDoo> looks like everyone is either still in bed or out in the sun :)
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> playing with my xoom.. does that count? :-)
[09:35] <popey> installing windows 7 ☹
[09:36] <MooDoo> popey: standard?
[09:36] <popey> home premium
[09:36] <MooDoo> cool
[09:37] <popey> so painfully slow to install
[09:38] <MooDoo> yup and then there are upates after.....but once it's fully installed it's ok
[09:38] <popey> should be quick once installed onto ssd
[09:38]  * popey goes to mow the lawn whilst that runs
[09:56] <popey> hello BakedBean
[10:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:55] <BigRedS> Gooooooood Morning!
[10:55] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[11:09] <jacobw>  good morning :)
[11:09] <brobostigon> morning jacobw :)
[11:10] <jacobw> 'tis sunny and warm
[11:10] <jacobw> unusual for these isles
[11:16] <brobostigon> windy*
[11:16]  * jacobw → gym
[11:20] <brobostigon> hve fun jacobw
[12:19] <Seeker`> Has anyone used a netgear N300 Wireless USB adaptor with ubuntu successfully?
[12:35] <gord> reasons why password dialogs should always steal 100% focus #1431 - you type your password in to an irc channel instead of steam...
[13:19] <kaushal> Hi
[13:20] <kaushal> I have a specific case wherein I have two sources.list one is global and other is local
[13:20] <kaushal> so global is denied when i am in office and allowed once i am out of office
[13:21] <kaushal> so is there a way to switch it automatically ?
[13:21] <kaushal> meaning once in office point to local and out of office point to global
[13:21] <kaushal> is that possible ?
[13:38] <dwatkins> kaushal: you might be able to have a service script run at boot-time to ascertain which location you are at based on IP range of eth0 or wlan0, but I wonder if it might be possible to do it another way, by only having one file.
[13:39] <dwatkins> jacobw: it's windy and overcast but bright in Edinburgh today
[13:40] <kaushal> dwatkins: any example ?
[13:41] <dwatkins> kaushal: I wonder if it might be possible to add entries to /etc/hosts to allow the same file to be used - what is different about the two files, exactly?
[13:41] <kaushal> dwatkins: sure
[13:41] <kaushal> let me pastebin it
[13:42] <dwatkins> cool, I'm interested to see
[13:43]  * dwatkins rediscovers the fun that it colours in irssi and GNU Screen
[13:46] <gord> don't entries in sources.list prefer the first entires then the second? so you could happly have both entiered in and it should work fine?
[13:46] <kaushal> dwatkins: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/618288/
[13:46] <dwatkins> gord: I considered that, but wouldn't that mean it would have to time-out with the DNS entries?
[13:46] <kaushal> the last three lines are local
[13:47] <dwatkins> kaushal: what happens when you try to look-up or access the external hosts from inside the office network?
[13:47] <gord> dwatkins, not really. i mean you'll just get a does not exist
[13:47] <dwatkins> ah I see what you mean, gord
[13:47] <kaushal> it says blocked
[13:47] <dwatkins> gord: for me, when I try to look up dyndns.org addresses from work, I get 127.0.0.2 back from the DNS server
[13:48] <dwatkins> kaushal: so as gord suggests, you could use that file in theory, right?
[13:48] <gord> interesting. but even then apt will just try and get from 127.0.0.2 and fail quickly
[13:48] <kaushal> gord: so put local and global in the same sources.list ?
[13:49] <gord> it'll only take ages to time out if your networking doesn't respond to port connection requests. a lot of crappy routers do that in a terrible attempt at "hiding"
[13:49] <kaushal> yes
[13:49] <kaushal> it actually sucks
[13:49] <gord> kaushal, pretty much
[13:49] <kaushal> instead just point to local when i am in office
[13:50] <kaushal> its clean
[13:50] <kaushal> gord: is that doable ?
[13:50] <gord> kaushal, not sure what your asking
[13:50] <dwatkins> kaushal: give it a try and see?
[13:50] <kaushal> dwatkins: I have tried that already but it sucks
[13:51] <kaushal> dwatkins: so two things here
[13:51] <kaushal> once in office point to local and then get automatically updated
[13:52] <kaushal> and out of office point to global and then get automatically updated
[13:52] <kaushal> is it tricky ?
[13:52] <kaushal> am i asking more ?
[13:54] <dwatkins> What are you asking, kaushal?
[13:54] <gord> you could just have a home.list and office.lst in /etc/apt/sources.list.d and switch them out on detecting where you are, but ehhh sounds hacky to me
[13:54] <kaushal> gord: exactly
[13:54] <kaushal> gord: possible right ?
[13:55] <kaushal> dwatkins: Am i not clear ?
[13:56] <gord> theoretically, but its so hacky
[13:57] <kaushal> gord: Any example ?
[13:57] <gord> nope
[13:58] <kaushal> gord: np
[13:59] <kaushal> I am sure someone might have thought of it already
[13:59] <kaushal> isnt it ?
[13:59] <dwatkins> kaushal: I see what you mean, it's probably just a case of copying the skeleton /etc/init.d/ script and modifying it to test what IP address range you're in and copy the relevant file.
[13:59] <kaushal> yes
[13:59] <kaushal> dwatkins: perfect
[14:01] <kaushal> dwatkins: Any working skeleton example :)
[14:05] <dwatkins> kaushal: there are plenty in /etc/init.d/ ;)
[14:06] <dwatkins> Sorry, I can't write it for you, I have to go offline for a bit, but will be back and smelling better shortly.
[14:06] <kaushal> dwatkins: np
[14:06] <kaushal> dwatkins: Thanks
[14:06] <dwatkins> welcome :) ciao kaushal, gord et al
[14:35] <Adriannom> "Note that the quality of the re-sampling depends on the setting of the pitch behaviour. Having key lock disabled (“vinyl emulation” in 1.8.x and below) will use linear interpolation, which doesn't sound very good (you will notice graininess and increased noise, especially obvious on high, long notes)." <--- what's key lock?
[14:37] <Adriannom> nevermind
[15:23] <daubers> Afternoon
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[15:25] <brobostigon> afternoonings daubers
[15:25]  * daubers starts sorting photos
[15:26] <daubers> My camera still smells of bees
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> ooh, been doing some hive shots?
[15:28] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Yes! At River Cottage too :)
[15:28] <daubers> Was very excited. First time I've actually handled bees
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> River Cottage?
[15:29] <daubers> Hugh Fernley Wittingstalls (sp?) place
[15:29] <daubers> From the telle
[15:29]  * MartijnVdS found the website
[15:30] <penguin42> daubers: erm what do bees smell like?
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yummy honey
[15:30] <daubers> penguin42: A mix of honey, wax and peropolis
[15:30]  * penguin42 tries to avoid getting close enough to bees to smell them
[15:31] <daubers> penguin42: and in a roundabout kinda way.... my camera
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I've started going to this place for pictures: http://archeon.nl/engels/home.html
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> daubers: (it's just around the corner)
[15:32] <daubers> MartijnVdS: That looks quite cool :)
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> daubers: check my flickr stream for examples :)
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> (for others: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/sets/72157624906925557/ )
[15:39] <daubers> Hmmm... It's really hard getting pictures focused properly through a veil
[15:39] <daubers> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/5796247497/in/photostream
[15:40] <dwatkins> impressivel, daubers
[15:40] <dwatkins> also, impressive.
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I've turned to Live View for that
[15:40] <MartijnVdS> daubers: and manual focus :)
[15:41] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Can't autofocus with that lens :) It's broked
[15:41] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I can autofocus with mine, but I rarely do
[15:42] <daubers> Need to email my local beekeeping club now
[15:42] <daubers> Definatley got the bug
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> You could title that photo "None of your beeswax" ;)
[15:48] <daubers> heh :)
[16:27] <theplague> hello all!
[16:27] <theplague> Can anyone help me restore grub?  I seem to have killed it upgrading to 11.04 from the update manager
[16:29] <brobostigon> !grub2
[16:29] <brobostigon> theplague: instructions on the restoregrub opage mentioned there.
[16:31] <theplague> thanks brobostigon - how would I know if I have grub or grub2?
[16:33] <brobostigon> theplague: as it says, if youhave after 9.10, grub2 is becomes standard.
[16:34] <theplague> thanks - just reading through it all now though not sure if this will help.  I seem to have lost any kind of boot menu after upgrading to 11.04 - which I read is quite common.  Only problem is that a lot of the fixes already posted dont seem to be working!
[16:35] <SuprEngr> brobostigon, live cd to "install grub" [/dev/sda] ???  any easier for theplague
[16:36] <SuprEngr> [real cmd deliberately not quoted - in case ;)
[16:36] <brobostigon> SuprEngr: that page, eplains it perfectly, andeasyto understand,
[16:36] <SuprEngr> cool
[16:36] <theplague> its lost me already sorry.
[16:37] <theplague> following the steps, the guide says.... Verify if your partition is correct.
[16:37] <theplague> mount | tail -1
[16:37] <theplague> You should see output similar to this:
[16:37] <theplague> /dev/sda2 on /media/0d104aff-ec8c-44c8-b811-92b993823444 type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=devkit)
[16:37] <brobostigon> theplague: i am not the man to ask, i haent had to do it personally.
[16:37] <theplague> I dont see anything like that
[16:37] <theplague> No worries brobostigon
[16:38] <brobostigon> theplague: if you try "sudo fdisk -l" do you see.
[16:46] <SuprEngr> ... forgot to say o/ "hi peeps" been away for a while - apologies for absence.
[16:54] <penguin42> theplague: You say you broke it upgrading; what were you upgrading from/to and how is it broken?
[17:47] <Myrtti> argh, jetlag is hitting hard
[17:49] <Myrtti> must - not - fall - asleep
[18:13] <Core_UK> Guys, I am trying to use xchat for gnome to auto log in to my fav irc channels. However because many freenode channels require me to be logged in and that takes a moment it wont join them
[18:22] <Myrtti> how do you currently log in? with a server password?
[18:22] <Myrtti> or a autorun command?
[18:22] <Core_UK> Myrtti, yeah
[18:29] <michael__> hi
[18:32] <kirrus> hi
[18:34] <michael__> nice
[18:35] <michael__> that you talk to me
[18:35] <kirrus> :)
[18:35] <michael__> well so were you from
[18:35] <michael__> ?
[18:35] <michael__> Europe
[18:36] <michael__> or America
[18:36] <michael__> or Afrika
[18:36] <michael__> etc.
[18:36] <michael__>  I live in europe kirrus
[18:36] <Core_UK> Can anyone help me set up xchat? To auto join servers/channels
[18:37] <michael__> Klick IRC
[18:37] <michael__> and set it up
[18:38] <Core_UK> i need help with the setting up
[18:38] <kirrus> Core_UK: in the server listing, edit the freenode server
[18:39] <kirrus> that'll bring up a window in which you can setup auto-login, and channel auto-joins
[18:39] <Core_UK> I tried, it joins channels before I can get identified
[18:39] <Core_UK> ill try again
[18:40] <kirrus> Core_UK: that's not a problem - you just have to be indentified to keep your nick, not to use it
[18:40] <Core_UK> But many channels require me to be identified
[18:40] <Core_UK> and so most channels I have to join manually after identify has gone through (i.e. #python)
[18:42] <kirrus> I'm not sure then.. I've not used XChat in anger for a while
[18:42]  * kirrus afk ... good luck!
[18:42] <Core_UK> what do you use? :P
[18:49] <penguin42> pidgin seems to manage it normally - although occasionally doesn't; I do use xchat on a couple of channels but can't remember if either require id
[19:39] <Core_UK> So anyone here from Blackpool? :D
[19:41] <penguin42> Manchester here
[19:42] <Core_UK> not to far :)
[19:43] <penguin42> from your DNS I'd guessted you were Manchester as well
[19:46] <Core_UK> :)
[19:47] <Core_UK> I am in Blackpool, manchester is pobably the main hub or something
[19:48]  * penguin42 fails to guess what the bng is for
[20:22] <TOSDroid> Evening all
[20:29] <matti> Folks.
[20:29] <matti> What do you do for backup?
[20:30]  * penguin42 just rsync's stuff onto a crypted USB stick
[20:30] <matti> I found this Deja Dup thing.
[20:30] <matti> I wonder...
[20:30] <penguin42> rsync is good for copying onto pretty much any disc like thing
[20:31] <popey> matti: i use rsnapshot to a server at home
[20:31] <popey> i use deja-dup for my mums computer
[20:32] <matti> popey, penguin42 :)
[20:32] <matti> My notebook HDD is falling apart.
[20:32] <popey> ☹
[20:32] <matti> So I decided to backup.
[20:32] <matti> Just to discover that my backup HDD died ;]
[20:32] <matti> I was rescued by backup-of-backup.
[20:32] <matti> ;]
[20:33] <matti> I have to admit that Apple's Time Machine is convenient.
[20:33] <matti> I wish we could have something like that for Ubuntu ;]
[20:34] <popey> agree
[20:35] <popey> time machine is awesome in many ways
[20:35] <matti> I like its transparency.
[20:35] <popey> i recently used it to enable me to upgrade the hard disk in my laptop. pulled out old one, put in new one, chucked in osx dvd, plugged in time machine device, easy past
[20:35] <popey> *peasy
[20:35] <popey> back to where I was before I had swapped the disks in no time
[20:37] <matti> Indeed, TM is amazing.
[20:37] <gord> huh, just found out this laptop is sandybridge based, no one the intel driver sucks
[20:38]  * popey has just added two SSDs to his desktop, put windows 7 (GameOS) on one, Ubuntu going on the other
[20:38] <gord> no wonder even
[20:38] <penguin42> gord: Stinks as for speed or stability?
[20:38] <gord> both
[20:38] <gord> actually i upgraded the driver and the stability is fixed, but still get graphical glitches like crazy
[20:39] <penguin42> gord: I've had problems with the Intel driver in Natty compared to Maverick; there seems to be a bug quite a few people are hitting
[20:39] <penguin42> (but I'm on an older 945GM)
[20:39] <popey> my laptop has 945GM
[20:39] <popey> works a treat
[20:41] <gord> intel just built a new mode for sandybridge devices, supposed to be way quicker, O should be fun once it gets stable
[20:42] <gord> popey, just wondering, much of a boot speed increase with windows on the ssd? takes my copy of windows forever to boot up
[20:43] <popey> i have no reference
[20:43] <popey> clean install of win7 on ssd
[20:43] <popey> my previous install was crusty xp from yore
[20:43] <popey> on hdd
[20:43] <popey> happy time it though
[20:44] <avro> I'm running natty on my eeepc-1000h any specific tweaks or tips people can offer? unity 2d is already my default but this isn't the best experience I've had with ubuntu on my netbook. Helping hand anyone?
[20:47] <gord> how so? is the interface slow?
[20:50] <avro> gord: yer generally it's a slow interface, coupled with clutter to the toolbar topright. the wireless tends to drop a lot [not a problem previously - have considered compiling compat, but always get daft error module in use errors on wlunload so not gone that far yet]. I have found quite a few bugs, when I unplug my charger the laptop will hang, login consistently asks me for a keyring password despite me telling it not to
[20:50] <avro> o in the settings..etc etc. Plus others that I experience here and there. WOW sorry for the essay.
[20:51] <gord> sounds like you have a few deep seated bugs, i would stay on maverick if i were you until they get sorted out
[20:52] <avro> yer, I'm considering the downgrade, either that or a really tailored netbook specific distro based on deb, puppy or crunchbang look good.
[20:53] <avro> but aren't particularly netbook specific (any more - crunchbang used to have eeepc specific release but that's gone byebye
[20:54] <penguin42> avro: I've had various wifi problems on an eeepc 1001ha
[20:54] <avro> penguin42: like what?
[20:55] <penguin42> avro: A couple of versions hang on shutdown or when disabling wifi
[20:55] <penguin42> I can't actually remember which versions do that - but I think it's most
[20:55] <avro> hmmm yer, i think that is a known bug.
[20:55] <penguin42> yeh
[20:55] <avro> what you running at the moment
[20:56]  * penguin42 can't actually remember - I think it#s 10.04 on there - haven't got the netbook on at the moment
[20:57] <avro> aha, fair enough. Well sounds more likely to be a kernel issue if it's causing hangs probably fixed by now.
[20:58] <penguin42> I don't think it is actually, but I can't remember what the last one I tried were - certainly tried Mavrick on it, not sure if I tried Natty yet
[21:00] <avro> any netbook specific distros that you could recommend me for the time being?
[21:18] <mikesz> Hello all - anyone know how to change the permissions on a floppy drive so I can write files to it?  At present, ive mounted it, I can see a disk with 1.4mb free but whenever I try to drag a file onto it, it says I dont have permission??  (Im using the 10.04 live CD by the way)
[21:25] <mikesz> Anyone?
[21:30] <brobostigon> df -h -T   ,to see the device name, and then chmod rw permissions onthat device. maybe.
[21:30] <mikesz> cheers - will give it a go
[21:31] <brobostigon> mikesz: research the correct parameters for chmod, i cant remember them,
[21:37] <mikesz> ok, this is going to sound really dim but here goes - now that I know my floppy drive is /dev/fd0 how do I 'get' to it?
[21:37] <AlanBell> you need to mount the filesystem the disk contains
[21:37] <mikesz> cd /dev/fd0 returned : ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ cd /dev/fd0
[21:37] <mikesz> bash: cd: /dev/fd0: Not a directory
[21:37] <mikesz> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[21:38] <AlanBell> so sudo mkdir /mnt/floppy
[21:38] <penguin42> mikesz: It needs mounting, I suspect the GUIs haven't been tested with machines with floppies in it
[21:38] <penguin42> for a while
[21:38] <AlanBell> sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[21:38] <mikesz> ah...ok, let me give that a whirl....
[21:38] <AlanBell> cd /mnt/floppy
[21:38] <AlanBell> ls -l
[21:38] <AlanBell> win \o/
[21:38] <penguin42> AlanBell: I'd hope that udisks would do it
[21:39] <AlanBell> yeah, it should magically happen really shouldn't it
[21:40] <mikesz> (im running the live CD so perhaps why its not as straight forward?)
[21:41]  * penguin42 will have to try it on a machine with a floppy
[21:43] <penguin42> mikesz: My guess is the problem is no one has tried it for a long time!
[21:44] <mikesz> ok - well heres a question then - the whole reason im doing this is becuase ive killed my system installing 11.04 so Im trying to put a version of superGrubDisk onto a floppy so I can boot!  http://www.bootproblems.com/super-grub2-disk/
[21:45] <penguin42> oh
[21:45] <penguin42> mikesz: In that case you don't want to do the mount that Alan suggested
[21:45] <penguin42> mikesz: Do you have a floppy image file (something under 1.44MB ?)
[21:46] <mikesz> ah...done it all now
[21:46] <mikesz> yeah the download from that link gives you a library of files at about 1.4mb
[21:46] <mikesz> so been trying to copy them onto a floppy disk
[21:47] <penguin42> ah you don't want to copy those
[21:47] <penguin42> mikesz: To copy those to a floppy you'll do something like sudo dd if=thenameoftheimagefile of=/dev/fd0 bs=512
[21:47] <mikesz> how come?
[21:47] <mikesz> I extracted them to a memory stick and thought i could just copy them over
[21:48] <AlanBell> those are complete images including boot sector and file allocation table
[21:48] <mikesz> once i had the image file, I just selected the option to 'extract here' from my memory stick and found what looked to be the right directory of files
[21:48] <AlanBell> not files that you want to put inside a filesystem
[21:48] <mikesz> ok.  Im confused now.
[21:49] <penguin42> mikesz: Just issue that magical command I gave
[21:49] <penguin42> mikesz: With the right floppy in :-)
[21:49] <penguin42> mikesz: Having said that, if you're having trouble doing this my guess is that you are going to struggle with supergrub
[21:49] <penguin42> mikesz: When you say that 11.04 upgrade caused problems, what exactly went wrong
[21:50] <mikesz> Ive been having this all day.  I was on 10.10, though in the update manager it did its usual 'there is a newer version available' so I let it do the upgrade
[21:50] <mikesz> I know you're supposed to do it from a CD but its worked in the passed for me so I just let it do it
[21:51] <mikesz> Now, I cant boot my machine
[21:51] <penguin42> no, you did the right thing - the update manager should work
[21:51] <penguin42> mikesz: OK, when you say you can't boot it exactly what happens?
[21:51] <gord> i can't help with this issue, just want to mention that people asking for help with floppies in 2011 makes me smile :)
[21:51] <mikesz> I did have windows XP dual booting with 10.10.  Now, I just get a message on my monitor saying "out of range"
[21:52] <penguin42> mikesz: OK, what's the very last thing you see before that out of range?
[21:52] <mikesz> though it goes through normal POST and bios beep first
[21:52] <mikesz> right where the Grub menu used to come up, it now says "out of range"
[21:52] <penguin42> mikesz: OK, have you tried holding left shift down when the grub menu should come up ?
[21:52] <mikesz> yep
[21:53] <mikesz> and the down arrow key
[21:53] <mikesz> and ive tried tapping shift as well
[21:53] <penguin42> mikesz: OK, on your graphics card are there multiple outputs?
[21:53] <mikesz> happy to give it another go though!
[21:55] <mikesz> there are yes.  there are two outputs on the graphics card itself (the larger white ones with more pin holes - are they HDMI?)
[21:55] <mikesz> the monitor cable has to go through a little adapter anyway when connecting to the graphics card
[21:55] <penguin42> mikesz: I'm just wondering if it's decided to show the display on the other output
[21:56] <mikesz> they're both the same and ive never had to move it before?
[21:56] <mikesz> can give it a go though?
[21:56] <penguin42> mikesz: Well there's obviously a bug somewhere
[21:57] <penguin42> mikesz: So it's worth trying
[21:57] <mikesz> Can I use the 10.04 live CD that I am using at the moment to just reinstall ubuntu and everything will be back to normal?
[21:57] <mikesz> (il try this thing though in a minute)
[21:57] <penguin42> mikesz: Yes a reinstall should work
[21:58] <mikesz> ok - be back in 5 mins - will try this port swap....
[21:59] <DJones> Sounds like mikesz has to use a dvi adapter for his graphics
[22:07] <mikesz> back again -no joy sorry
[22:08] <mikesz> penguin43 - tried changing the lead over to the other port, no difference.  Also tried left shift tapping, holding down, even through in a few colourful words
[22:09] <mikesz> So if I now install from the live CD (considering its a previous version) will it put everything back the way it was and re-unite me with my grub menu and windows xp?
[22:21] <mikesz> is there a safe way of removing the partition that I currently have 11.04 installed into without messing up the partition with Windows XP on it?
[22:21] <mikesz> I seem to have a few partitions on here at the moment
[22:22] <mikesz> or, better put, can I just delete all the partitions gparted will let me delete and then install 10.04 into the largest free space?