[00:00] it's not unfun, I've run hours where only I showed up, I use the opportunity to work on things :) [00:00] i'm just a few blocks away right now pleia2 [00:00] but if you really must cancel, please send a mail to the list and delete the loco directory entry [00:01] (I still don't think it's a good idea to cancel with such short notice though) [00:01] well it'd make a difference to me if say jtatum said he was coming. [00:01] i haven't seen aaditya in months [00:02] crashsystems: how about you? Can you make it tonight? [00:03] since i'm in the area i could still do it, but basically i have to wait here a long way from home till then pleia2 [00:04] nuboon2age: that's the responsibility one takes on when they plan an event [00:04] if you can't do it, maybe find someone else to coordinate the palo alto hours? [00:04] pleia2: this one isn't as established as the Mountain View or even SJ one so i disagree that it would be a big deal to postpone it. Pretty much people only come when I promote it and i haven't had an opportunity to this time. [00:05] nuboon2age: I'd really rather not have us be known for canceling hours at last minute, it reflects poorly on the team :( [00:05] i was hoping sburto would coordinate it, but that hasn't paned out. i'm still looking for a coordinator. [00:06] perhaps we should not do the palo alto one until we do have someone who can commit to coming, regardless of people signing up? [00:06] maybe pleia2, but i'm not worried about it. it'll continue to bump along until someone takes it under their wing. it'll happen sometime soon pleia2 [00:07] well, we really can't make a habit of canceling at last minute [00:08] it'll hurt attendance at all our events if people don't feel we are reliable [00:08] (and yes, one "I showed up and no one was there" is more than enough to cause someone never to come to anythingagain) [00:09] no worries pleia2 , its all good. i haven't made up my mind yet. :-) [00:09] ok [00:09] you're an awesome Ubuntu leader pleia2 -- i totally admire you. :-) [00:09] * pleia2 hugs nuboon2age [00:09] I know we're all on the same side :) [00:10] nuboon2age: hugs pleia2 :-) [00:23] i better delete the LA ubuntu hour then from the page [00:23] and send out an email [00:24] i think i'm looking for something a little less formal [00:25] less formal than showing up? [00:27] I'd think that is the absolute lowest bar for any event, formal or not [00:27] less formal than fixed dates and times. [00:28] you can just plan them as you go, you don't have to say every $x at $foo [00:28] (that's just the strategy that tends to work best) [00:28] but if you can't you can't, better to have some than none :) [00:29] there is also the political issue of me not using ubuntu on my notebook, and the technical issue of my notebook not being very portable right now [00:30] not sure how that's political, but no one said you have to plan events either, if you're not happy with ubuntu right now you don't need to promote it [00:30] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited [00:30] no need to find other excuses [00:30] happy with ubuntu? i'm totally happy with ubuntu, why wouldn't i be? [00:31] most of us are volunteers, we do planning as we can and feel inclined too :) [00:31] i've been around long enough to know this much [00:31] no worries [00:55] okay i'll be there for Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto 7pm Tandoori Oven pleia2 , jtatum , jyo , Yasumoto , YokoZar , itnet7 , crashsystems , crashsystems1 [00:55] aaditya: [00:55] signing off this computer now... [00:55] Hey nuboon2age. [00:55] hey aaditya , will you be there? [00:56] not tonight. I'd love to, but got other stuff going on. [00:56] I'll try to make it there next time though. [00:59] okay so Ubuntu Hour: San Jose, next Thursday? could you RSVP please aaditya amigo? [01:00] sure, as soon as my plans are confirmed [01:00] I'll possibly be out of town at that time. [01:01] okay well if not then please come to Ubuntu Hour: MV. Its been literally months since we've had the pleasure of your presence amigo, aaditya [01:01] signing off now... [01:02] alright, see you. [02:40] Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto @ Tandoori Oven on California Ave is in the house! jtatun, crashsystems, crashsystems1 [02:44] ^^^ nigelb, broder, jiboumans, jyo , outofjungle, ryaxnb,philipballew, rbarot_, pleia2 [02:46] nigelb lives in Asia ;P [02:46] yeah :D [02:46] Are those the people who are there or are you just ping spamming? [02:46] I just hang out in the cool loco team's channels :) [02:47] nigelb, well this is Cali, so by default- it has to be pretty *awesome* [02:47] Land of Milk and Honey [02:49] You mean Beer and computers? ;) [02:49] yes, that [02:50] (actually, we're more of a wine state) [02:50] there's a restaurant near here that's called "milk and honey" [02:50] well y'all can join me virtually and in Ubuntu spirit. ;-) [02:50] vegan organic wine [02:50] i can't verify this, but i suspect it is a Hebrew establishment [02:52] * pleia2 orders up some virtual tikka masala [02:53] real me is at home recovering from a cold :) [02:53] apparently tikka masala is more british than indian [02:53] iwow haveny heard nary a pleasant word out of nhaines (notice my sly "ping spam" there) since he and his fuhrer were ejected from power. nothing nice to say anymore nhaines??? [02:53] sn9: yep [02:53] but potatoes are from the americas and often associated with the irish, tomatoes too and italians [02:53] nUboon2Age sounds a tad annoyed [02:54] sn9 he he [02:55] sn9 have you started a Sac Ubuntu Hour yet? [02:55] philipballew has [02:55] I don't think that using terms like "fuhrer" to refer to people is in line with the Code of Conduct, nUboon2Age. [02:55] apparently there was one today, but it slipped my mind [02:55] rww++ [02:56] godwin's law is fail, regardless [02:56] rww probably not. but then how about "ping spam" pah!! [02:57] well, it _was_ spam, and it _did_ ping people [02:57] nUboon2Age: Criticizing your unorthodox use of highlighting is rather different from comparing someone to Hitler. [02:58] nhaines likes to snipe. rww. its good to call hom on his obnoxiousness IMO [02:58] nUboon2Age: I doubt that nhaines "likes to snipe", any more than you "like to blow complaints out of proportion". [02:59] anyway we've both made our points rww so lets move on, shall we? [02:59] sometimes irc blows _anything_ out of proportion [02:59] I'm not happy with your comparison and would like at least that you not use it again and preferably that you apologize for it. [03:01] rww i hear you. ill consider it [03:01] moving on... [03:01] moving on [03:02] moving on? [03:02] markdude how was the Maker Faire? [03:04] * pleia2 sighs at the wiki [03:05] pleia2: What's up? [03:05] * seidos puts on a smoking jacket and lounges [03:05] rww: typical timeouts and errors, very much looking forward to them completing the upgrade :) [03:07] speaking more pleasant things, i see in the paper that right at this moment n Woodside thre's a Peace & Love Festival. We should do a Peace, Love &Linux event sometime [03:08] i know our Lindepedence friends would be into that. ;-) [03:08] nUboon2Age: that sounds pretty cool [03:08] even though i have no idea what it would involve [03:09] markdude would be into it i bet. ;-) [03:10] outofjungle maybe too. ;-) [03:10] * MarkDude would be down with it [03:10] * outofjungle too [03:10] My penguin suit and a peace symbol necklace [03:10] what am i getting into? [03:11] gnu/linux may be good for peace&love, but it's versatile enough to be equally suitable for war&ennui [03:11] a pinguin suit outofjungle [03:11] ;-) [03:11] i'm down [03:12] outofjungle has seen the suit, at a geeknic [03:12] yeah, i have... MarkDude chasing birds in the suit [03:12] yes, outofjungle was there [03:13] i'm @ Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto and i was just saying it'd be fun to have a Peace Love & Linux event. outofjungle [03:13] i think antipathy is the opposite of love [03:13] or perhaps hate [03:14] i wonder if jim carrey will end up in a penguin suit at the end of this new movie he's in [03:15] nUboon2Age: I guess im missing a fun ubuntu hour. whats the word on the next geeknic? [03:16] oh great question for pleia2 and markdude! outofjungle [03:16] markdude was in #geeknic the other day asking about access to posting, so hopefully he's got plans ;) [03:16] seidos: why must contrast be limited to opposites? [03:16] i heard the opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation :o [03:16] seidos: hehe [03:17] sn9: it needn't be [03:17] that's why i said something different [03:17] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/May edited [03:17] kinda depends what kinda peace one means i think seidos. [03:17] pleia2: thanks, i did not know that #geeknic existed. now, i'm in :) [03:17] nUboon2Age: right on [03:19] there's the "peace" of death and destruction (plenty available in war) and then the creative peace of GanJesus, Gandhi and MLK, Dalai Lama [03:20] s/GanJ/J [03:20] that may be peace in a loosely relativistic sense [03:20] ganja-sus? [03:21] yah-weh, odale [03:22] it really depends on factors, such as what happens after death, and what happens after killing someone [03:22] both are efforts in futility, i'm not about to find out if i can help it [03:24] yes, i just meant the silence on this earthly plane after death, destruction and war [03:24] i meant *empirically* find out [03:25] i kind of see what you are saying [03:25] and how that contrasts with peace of nonviolence and creativity. Linux is Free and nonviolent and peaceful IMO [03:25] i dunno, Torvalds' wife is like a tai boxing champion i heard [03:27] but, generally, i suspect you're right [03:27] i fear bombs more than muy thai [03:28] well consensual competition is a LOT different from coercice force IMO seidos [03:29] coercive [03:29] certainly agreed [03:30] or even force just for cheap thrills [03:31] probably the worst kind of violence [03:41] ie. sadism and sociopathy [03:42] yeah, psychopathy [03:42] i have heard talk that the world is run by psychopaths [03:42] but there are degrees to it according to the wiki article [03:44] nUboon2Age: do you follow rms' political feeds? [03:45] yes i think Bush, Cheney, Gadafi, and Sadam Hussien are all prime examples of psychopaths. [03:46] mad men [03:48] Stalin is probably the example i would use, but it's like psychopaths vying to survive against other psychopaths [03:48] or at least, that's the perception [03:48] i recently watched an excellent movie that made this point in spades: Lion in Winter with Patrick Stewart, Glenn Close etc. re: English king and Queen imposing their psychopathy on everyone around them - "colateral damage" to peasants [03:49] Patrick Stewart, i love that guy [03:49] i should see if i can get a hold of it [03:49] i've been watching House M.D. [03:50] and going back to watching Voyager [03:50] i think i may like Kate Mulgrew better than Patrick Stewart these days [03:51] thing about psycho/sociopaths is they are without conscience so they literally don't care about others, esp. "little people" in tye way [03:51] they only care about themselves [03:52] i can't beleve we have no Star Trek franchise series being created now. :-( [03:54] it'd be incredibly sad if it passed when Rodenberry passed. Didn''t we all get the Rodenberry vision of a collaborative future forhumynity? [03:54] i got that, the problem is the blood, sweat, and tears [03:55] probably isn't even so bad, just needed some vision when i was a kid, and access to valuable information [03:55] of creating new Trek series you mean? [03:57] no, i was thinking of making the technology a reality [03:57] but yeah, i suppose a new Trek series works [03:57] not easy to film it [03:57] write it [03:57] special effects [03:57] on Ubuntu news Andrew came by UH:PA and reports the learning curve n Ubuntu is too steep for him and he's moving to Mac. To be fair he's had to g [03:58] that's...odd [03:58] well, i guess it's true to a degree [03:58] maybe he wanted to create music [03:59] garage band just worked when i had a mac [03:59] My mom, who lives on the other side of the country (Florida), just got a new thinkpad yesterday. I easily walked her through installing Ubuntu and setting everything up, and she was surprised how easy everything was. [03:59] deal w a grad student comp sci sociopath who was cracking and messing with his computer so its not completely an Ubuntu problem. [03:59] what's your mother's background crashsystems ? [04:00] Not a computer person. Just got her PHD in educational psychology. [04:00] mmm hmm [04:01] my mom rejected ubuntu [04:01] or, rather, open office [04:01] thats understandable [04:02] good night all. i'm out. hope to intro my mom.to Ubuntu l later this year. 75 years old. smart but struggles w a Mac(!!!???!!!) [04:03] good night nUboon2Age [04:04] night nUboon2Age, God speed [04:04] btw a friend is struggling w mail app in Open Office. ill have to research the prob. later. nite pleai2 [07:35] finally got our new branding sleeves, logos and flyers into bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california [07:51] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo edited