[00:00] <pleia2> it's not unfun, I've run hours where only I showed up, I use the opportunity to work on things :)
[00:00] <nuboon2age> i'm just a few blocks away right now pleia2
[00:00] <pleia2> but if you really must cancel, please send a mail to the list and delete the loco directory entry
[00:01] <pleia2> (I still don't think it's a good idea to cancel with such short notice though)
[00:01] <nuboon2age> well it'd make a difference to me if say jtatum said he was coming.
[00:01] <nuboon2age> i haven't seen aaditya in months
[00:02] <nuboon2age> crashsystems: how about you?  Can you make it tonight?
[00:03] <nuboon2age> since i'm in the area i could still do it, but basically i have to wait here a long way from home till then pleia2
[00:04] <pleia2> nuboon2age: that's the responsibility one takes on when they plan an event
[00:04] <pleia2> if you can't do it, maybe find someone else to coordinate the palo alto hours?
[00:04] <nuboon2age> pleia2: this one isn't as established as the Mountain View or even SJ one so i disagree that it would be a big deal to postpone it.  Pretty much people only come when I promote it and i haven't had an opportunity to this time.
[00:05] <pleia2> nuboon2age: I'd really rather not have us be known for canceling hours at last minute, it reflects poorly on the team :(
[00:05] <nuboon2age> i was hoping sburto would coordinate it, but that hasn't paned out.  i'm still looking for a coordinator.
[00:06] <pleia2> perhaps we should not do the palo alto one until we do have someone who can commit to coming, regardless of people signing up?
[00:06] <nuboon2age> maybe pleia2, but i'm not worried about it.  it'll continue to bump along until someone takes it under their wing.  it'll happen sometime soon pleia2
[00:07] <pleia2> well, we really can't make a habit of canceling at last minute
[00:08] <pleia2> it'll hurt attendance at all our events if people don't feel we are reliable
[00:08] <pleia2> (and yes, one "I showed up and no one was there" is more than enough to cause someone never to come to anythingagain)
[00:09] <nuboon2age> no worries pleia2 , its all good.  i haven't made up my mind yet. :-)
[00:09] <pleia2> ok
[00:09] <nuboon2age> you're an awesome Ubuntu leader pleia2 --  i totally admire you. :-)
[00:09]  * pleia2 hugs nuboon2age 
[00:09] <pleia2> I know we're all on the same side :)
[00:10] <nuboon2age> nuboon2age: hugs pleia2  :-)
[00:23] <seidos> i better delete the LA ubuntu hour then from the page
[00:23] <seidos> and send out an email
[00:24] <seidos> i think i'm looking for something a little less formal
[00:25] <pleia2> less formal than showing up?
[00:27] <pleia2> I'd think that is the absolute lowest bar for any event, formal or not
[00:27] <seidos> less formal than fixed dates and times.
[00:28] <pleia2> you can just plan them as you go, you don't have to say every $x at $foo
[00:28] <pleia2> (that's just the strategy that tends to work best)
[00:28] <pleia2> but if you can't you can't, better to have some than none :)
[00:29] <seidos> there is also the political issue of me not using ubuntu on my notebook, and the technical issue of my notebook not being very portable right now
[00:30] <pleia2> not sure how that's political, but no one said you have to plan events either, if you're not happy with ubuntu right now you don't need to promote it
[00:30] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[00:30] <pleia2> no need to find other excuses
[00:30] <seidos> happy with ubuntu?  i'm totally happy with ubuntu, why wouldn't i be?
[00:31] <pleia2> most of us are volunteers, we do planning as we can and feel inclined too :)
[00:31] <seidos> i've been around long enough to know this much
[00:31] <seidos> no worries
[00:55] <nuboon2age> okay i'll be there for Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto 7pm Tandoori Oven pleia2 , jtatum , jyo , Yasumoto , YokoZar , itnet7 , crashsystems , crashsystems1
[00:55] <nuboon2age> aaditya:
[00:55] <nuboon2age> signing off this computer now...
[00:55] <aaditya> Hey nuboon2age.
[00:55] <nuboon2age> hey aaditya , will you be there?
[00:56] <aaditya> not tonight. I'd love to, but got other stuff going on.
[00:56] <aaditya> I'll try to make it there next time though.
[00:59] <nuboon2age> okay so Ubuntu Hour: San Jose, next Thursday?  could you RSVP please aaditya amigo?
[01:00] <aaditya> sure, as soon as my plans are confirmed
[01:00] <aaditya> I'll possibly be out of town at that time.
[01:01] <nuboon2age> okay well if not then please come to Ubuntu Hour: MV.  Its been literally months since we've had the pleasure of your presence amigo, aaditya
[01:01] <nuboon2age> signing off now...
[01:02] <aaditya> alright, see you.
[02:40] <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto @ Tandoori Oven on California Ave is in the house!  jtatun, crashsystems, crashsystems1
[02:44] <nUboon2Age> ^^^ nigelb, broder, jiboumans, jyo , outofjungle, ryaxnb,philipballew, rbarot_, pleia2
[02:46] <rww> nigelb lives in Asia ;P
[02:46] <nigelb> yeah :D
[02:46] <nhaines> Are those the people who are there or are you just ping spamming?
[02:46] <nigelb> I just hang out in the cool loco team's channels :)
[02:47] <MarkDude> nigelb, well this is Cali, so by default- it has to be pretty *awesome*
[02:47] <MarkDude> Land of Milk and Honey
[02:49] <nigelb> You mean Beer and computers? ;)
[02:49] <pleia2> yes, that
[02:50] <pleia2> (actually, we're more of a wine state)
[02:50] <seidos> there's a restaurant near here that's called "milk and honey"
[02:50] <nUboon2Age> well y'all can join me virtually and in Ubuntu spirit. ;-)
[02:50] <rww> vegan organic wine
[02:50] <seidos> i can't verify this, but i suspect it is a Hebrew establishment
[02:52]  * pleia2 orders up some virtual tikka masala
[02:53] <pleia2> real me is at home recovering from a cold :)
[02:53] <sn9> apparently tikka masala is more british than indian
[02:53] <nUboon2Age> iwow haveny heard nary a pleasant word out of nhaines (notice my sly "ping spam" there) since he and his fuhrer were ejected from power.  nothing nice to say anymore nhaines???
[02:53] <pleia2> sn9: yep
[02:53] <pleia2> but potatoes are from the americas and often associated with the irish, tomatoes too and italians
[02:53] <sn9> nUboon2Age sounds a tad annoyed
[02:54] <nUboon2Age> sn9 he he
[02:55] <nUboon2Age> sn9 have you started a Sac Ubuntu Hour yet?
[02:55] <sn9> philipballew has
[02:55] <rww> I don't think that using terms like "fuhrer" to refer to people is in line with the Code of Conduct, nUboon2Age.
[02:55] <sn9> apparently there was one today, but it slipped my mind
[02:55] <sn9> rww++
[02:56] <sn9> godwin's law is fail, regardless
[02:56] <nUboon2Age> rww probably not. but then how about "ping spam"  pah!!
[02:57] <sn9> well, it _was_ spam, and it _did_ ping people
[02:57] <rww> nUboon2Age: Criticizing your unorthodox use of highlighting is rather different from comparing someone to Hitler.
[02:58] <nUboon2Age> nhaines likes to snipe. rww.  its good to call hom on his obnoxiousness IMO
[02:58] <rww> nUboon2Age: I doubt that nhaines "likes to snipe", any more than you "like to blow complaints out of proportion".
[02:59] <nUboon2Age> anyway we've both made our points rww so lets move on, shall we?
[02:59] <sn9> sometimes irc blows _anything_ out of proportion
[02:59] <rww> I'm not happy with your comparison and would like at least that you not use it again and preferably that you apologize for it.
[03:01] <nUboon2Age> rww i hear you.  ill consider it
[03:01] <sn9> moving on...
[03:01] <nUboon2Age> moving on
[03:02] <sn9> moving on?
[03:02] <nUboon2Age> markdude how was the Maker Faire?
[03:04]  * pleia2 sighs at the wiki
[03:05] <rww> pleia2: What's up?
[03:05]  * seidos puts on a smoking jacket and lounges
[03:05] <pleia2> rww: typical timeouts and errors, very much looking forward to them completing the upgrade :)
[03:07] <nUboon2Age> speaking more pleasant things, i see in the paper that right at this moment n Woodside thre's a Peace & Love Festival.  We should do a Peace, Love &Linux event sometime
[03:08] <nUboon2Age> i know our Lindepedence friends would be into that. ;-)
[03:08] <seidos> nUboon2Age: that sounds pretty cool
[03:08] <seidos> even though i have no idea what it would involve
[03:09] <nUboon2Age> markdude would be into it i bet. ;-)
[03:10] <nUboon2Age> outofjungle maybe too. ;-)
[03:10]  * MarkDude would be down with it
[03:10]  * outofjungle too
[03:10] <MarkDude> My penguin suit and a peace symbol necklace
[03:10] <outofjungle> what am i getting into?
[03:11] <sn9> gnu/linux may be good for peace&love, but it's versatile enough to be equally suitable for war&ennui
[03:11] <nUboon2Age> a pinguin suit outofjungle
[03:11] <nUboon2Age> ;-)
[03:11] <outofjungle> i'm down
[03:12] <sn9> outofjungle has seen the suit, at a geeknic
[03:12] <outofjungle> yeah, i have... MarkDude chasing birds in the suit
[03:12] <sn9> yes, outofjungle was there
[03:13] <nUboon2Age> i'm @ Ubuntu Hour: Palo Alto and i was just saying it'd be fun to have a Peace Love & Linux event. outofjungle
[03:13] <seidos> i think antipathy is the opposite of love
[03:13] <seidos> or perhaps hate
[03:14] <seidos> i wonder if jim carrey will end up in a penguin suit at the end of this new movie he's in
[03:15] <outofjungle> nUboon2Age: I guess im missing a fun ubuntu hour. whats the word on the next geeknic?
[03:16] <nUboon2Age> oh great question for pleia2 and markdude! outofjungle
[03:16] <pleia2> markdude was in #geeknic the other day asking about access to posting, so hopefully he's got plans ;)
[03:16] <sn9> seidos: why must contrast be limited to opposites?
[03:16] <seidos> i heard the opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation :o
[03:16] <rww> seidos: hehe
[03:17] <seidos> sn9: it needn't be
[03:17] <sn9> that's why i said something different
[03:17] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/May edited
[03:17] <nUboon2Age> kinda depends what kinda peace one means i think seidos.
[03:17] <outofjungle> pleia2: thanks, i did not know that #geeknic existed. now, i'm in :)
[03:17] <seidos> nUboon2Age: right on
[03:19] <nUboon2Age> there's the "peace" of death and destruction (plenty available in war) and then the creative peace of GanJesus, Gandhi and MLK, Dalai Lama
[03:20] <nUboon2Age> s/GanJ/J
[03:20] <seidos> that may be peace in a loosely relativistic sense
[03:20] <sn9> ganja-sus?
[03:21] <seidos> yah-weh, odale
[03:22] <seidos> it really depends on factors, such as what happens after death, and what happens after killing someone
[03:22] <seidos> both are efforts in futility, i'm not about to find out if i can help it
[03:24] <nUboon2Age> yes, i just meant the silence on this earthly plane after death, destruction and war
[03:24] <seidos> i meant *empirically* find out
[03:25] <seidos> i kind of see what you are saying
[03:25] <nUboon2Age> and how that contrasts with peace of nonviolence and creativity.  Linux is Free and nonviolent and peaceful IMO
[03:25] <seidos> i dunno, Torvalds' wife is like a tai boxing champion i heard
[03:27] <seidos> but, generally, i suspect you're right
[03:27] <seidos> i fear bombs more than muy thai
[03:28] <nUboon2Age> well consensual competition is a LOT different from coercice force IMO seidos
[03:29] <nUboon2Age> coercive
[03:29] <seidos> certainly agreed
[03:30] <seidos> or even force just for cheap thrills
[03:31] <seidos> probably the worst kind of violence
[03:41] <nUboon2Age> ie. sadism and sociopathy
[03:42] <seidos> yeah, psychopathy
[03:42] <seidos> i have heard talk that the world is run by psychopaths
[03:42] <seidos> but there are degrees to it according to the wiki article
[03:44] <seidos> nUboon2Age: do you follow rms' political feeds?
[03:45] <nUboon2Age> yes i think Bush, Cheney, Gadafi, and Sadam Hussien are all prime examples of psychopaths.
[03:46] <seidos> mad men
[03:48] <seidos> Stalin is probably the example i would use, but it's like psychopaths vying to survive against other psychopaths
[03:48] <seidos> or at least, that's the perception
[03:48] <nUboon2Age> i recently watched an excellent movie that made this point in spades: Lion in Winter with Patrick Stewart, Glenn Close etc. re: English king and Queen imposing their psychopathy on everyone around them - "colateral damage" to peasants
[03:49] <seidos> Patrick Stewart, i love that guy
[03:49] <seidos> i should see if i can get a hold of it
[03:49] <seidos> i've been watching House M.D.
[03:50] <seidos> and going back to watching Voyager
[03:50] <seidos> i think i may like Kate Mulgrew better than Patrick Stewart these days
[03:51] <nUboon2Age> thing about psycho/sociopaths is they are without conscience so they literally don't care about others, esp. "little people" in tye way
[03:51] <seidos> they only care about themselves
[03:52] <nUboon2Age> i can't beleve we have no Star Trek franchise series being created now. :-(
[03:54] <nUboon2Age> it'd be incredibly sad if it passed when Rodenberry passed.  Didn''t we all get the Rodenberry vision of a collaborative future forhumynity?
[03:54] <seidos> i got that, the problem is the blood, sweat, and tears
[03:55] <seidos> probably isn't even so bad, just needed some vision when i was a kid, and access to valuable information
[03:55] <nUboon2Age> of creating new Trek series you mean?
[03:57] <seidos> no, i was thinking of making the technology a reality
[03:57] <seidos> but yeah, i suppose a new Trek series works
[03:57] <seidos> not easy to film it
[03:57] <seidos> write it
[03:57] <seidos> special effects
[03:57] <nUboon2Age> on Ubuntu news Andrew came by UH:PA and reports the learning curve n Ubuntu is too steep for him and he's moving to Mac. To be fair he's had to g
[03:58] <seidos> that's...odd
[03:58] <seidos> well, i guess it's true to a degree
[03:58] <seidos> maybe he wanted to create music
[03:59] <seidos> garage band just worked when i had a mac
[03:59] <crashsystems> My mom, who lives on the other side of the country (Florida), just got a new thinkpad yesterday. I easily walked her through installing Ubuntu and setting everything up, and she was surprised how easy everything was.
[03:59] <nUboon2Age> deal w a grad student comp sci sociopath who was cracking and messing with his computer so its not completely an Ubuntu problem.
[03:59] <seidos> what's your mother's background crashsystems ?
[04:00] <crashsystems> Not a computer person. Just got her PHD in educational psychology.
[04:00] <seidos> mmm hmm
[04:01] <seidos> my mom rejected ubuntu
[04:01] <seidos> or, rather, open office
[04:01] <crashsystems> thats understandable
[04:02] <nUboon2Age> good night all. i'm out.  hope to intro my mom.to Ubuntu l later this year. 75 years old. smart but struggles w a Mac(!!!???!!!)
[04:03] <pleia2> good night nUboon2Age
[04:04] <seidos> night nUboon2Age, God speed
[04:04] <nUboon2Age> btw a friend is struggling w mail app in Open Office.  ill have to research the prob.  later.  nite pleai2
[07:35] <pleia2> finally got our new branding sleeves, logos and flyers into bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california
[07:51] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Logo edited