[00:11] <Unit193> drc: Internet issues?
[01:01] <DarkEra> drc needs to enter his password in Xchat not only in nickserv but also in server to solve the changing host and cloak problem. ;-)
[01:02] <Unit193> I have SASL so even timeouts don't take it off...
[01:04] <DarkEra> and if you do  /set irc_join_delay 10  ?
[01:08] <DarkEra> seems i read that wrong.... my bad
[01:59] <cody-somerville> I think there might be a serious memory leak issue with natty. 
[02:25] <cody-somerville> and indeed I can confirm
[02:25] <cody-somerville> gltext has a massive memory leak
[02:26] <DarkEra> does this affect every *buntu Natty release?
[02:27]  * DarkEra is still trying to learn after 3 years of using Linux
[02:28] <cody-somerville> Out of the box, only Xubuntu + Mythbuntu. We're the only ones who use xscreensaver.
[02:29] <cody-somerville> s/use/ship by default/
[02:31] <cody-somerville> Does reboot work for anyone else? It doesn't work for me.
[02:33] <DarkEra> so this memory leak could have caused the freeze of my netbook then yesterday evening while the screensaver was on for a while
[02:33] <Unit193> cody-somerville: I'm currently stuck in TTY right now...
[02:34] <cody-somerville> DarkEra, Yes!
[02:34] <cody-somerville> DarkEra, Its caused *huge* performance issues for me as it causes all my other applications to swap to disk
[02:34] <cody-somerville> and then they're super slow
[02:34] <cody-somerville> and I was like... ugh, natty sucks
[02:35] <DarkEra> i needed to shut it down... the hard way :(
[02:35] <cody-somerville> DarkEra, Try disabling the gltext screensaver and see if you run into the problem again.
[02:35] <cody-somerville> LP #768032 is the bug, btw.
[02:36] <DarkEra> cody-somerville, i set the screensaver on Blank Screen only and had no problems after that
[13:57] <Pjotr> I would like to make a suggestion for Xubuntu 11.10
[13:58] <Pjotr> The default desktop would look much nicer and tidier, if all hard disk partitions wouldn't be mounted automatically
[13:58] <charlie-tca> agreed
[13:59] <charlie-tca> but to not mount them would also mean not auto-mounting cdrom or usb drives
[13:59] <Pjotr> easy to change of course, but first impressions are important. 
[13:59] <Pjotr> @charlie-tca: can't thoise categories be separated?
[13:59] <charlie-tca> But not easy to make happen
[14:00] <charlie-tca> They are not separate in Xfce, which makes it very difficult
[14:00] <Pjotr> an issue for upstream then?
[14:00] <charlie-tca> yes, which they are working on
[14:01] <Pjotr> in Xfce 4.10? Or will it be backported to 4.8 as well?
[14:01] <charlie-tca> don't know yet if it will be available in 4.10
[14:02] <Pjotr> OK.... Thanks for the info
[14:04] <Pjotr> One other issue: the default wallpaper in Xubuntu is very dark. It would look much more atractive if a lighter wallpaper would be used. Again: in order to improve first impression....
[14:04] <charlie-tca> Everybody seems to have a different opinion when it comes to light vs dark wallpaper. We had many people hate the lighter background.
[14:05] <charlie-tca> However, it is very easy to change wallpapers.
[14:05] <Pjotr> yes, but first impressions matter...
[14:05] <charlie-tca> and many people think the darker wallpaper is a huge improvement over the light
[14:05] <charlie-tca> again, different opinions
[14:06] <charlie-tca> We can't please everyone
[14:06] <Pjotr> tastes differ. :P
[14:06] <charlie-tca> exactly
[14:06] <charlie-tca> which is why we include the light background, all you have to do is change it
[14:06] <charlie-tca> but most people don't see it much, since they open their applications and go to work
[14:07] <Pjotr> that's true ofcourse. 
[14:07] <Pjotr> well, Xubuntu 11.04 has become very elegant, I think
[14:08] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[14:08] <Pjotr> a good contender for Unity
[14:08] <Pjotr> the dock is particularly nice, I think. Both beautiful and functional
[14:09] <charlie-tca> A lot of time and effort went into making the theme and panels work well
[14:10] <Pjotr> it's steady as a rock as well. Thanks for a great product!  :-)
[14:10] <charlie-tca> Thanks for letting us know.
[14:10] <Pjotr> have to go now. bye.
[14:40] <drc> 57 updates? On a Daily Build?
[14:44] <charlie-tca> huh?
[14:44] <charlie-tca> seems low
[14:44] <charlie-tca> alternate images don't exist
[14:44] <charlie-tca> We should start seeing between 100 and 200 a day soon
[14:45] <drc> I know  I was doing Live-64-Entire...just for practice.
[14:45] <charlie-tca> We will have a ton of updates daily real soon
[14:45] <drc> This was not an update, this was a fresh install of the daily build. Ther are that many updates between the time they build the image and now?
[14:46] <charlie-tca> and, yes, they will build the images, an hour later there will be a lot of updates for that image
[14:46]  * drc starts looking for his LMDE cd....er...dvd ;)
[14:46] <charlie-tca> The image is just a snapshot of what is there at the moment of the build
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Since updates are put through 24 hours a day, they never stop
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I don't think we will get a fix on the alternate image this weekend, since the weekend after the milestone is usually pretty dead
[14:51] <charlie-tca> I think it is a server issue, though
[14:52] <drc> Well, then that server will get no tip from me, such lousy service.
[14:52] <charlie-tca> heh
[14:54] <drc> Well well well..."Not all updates can be installed"
[14:54] <charlie-tca> normal
[14:55] <charlie-tca> it means that they are still updating packages
[14:55] <drc> just do the partial?
[14:55] <drc> or wait
[14:55] <charlie-tca> or they broke the update-manager
[14:55] <charlie-tca> partial will break things
[14:55] <drc> wait it is
[14:55] <charlie-tca> most of the time
[14:58] <drc> OK...how to get VB to recognize a USB Stick...I've done Settings>USB, Enable USB controller is checked, The USB stick is there and checked, When I run the VM the USB is there in Devices> USBDevices, but greyed out and it won't mount?
[14:59] <drc> me thinks this will be another facepalm moment for him...and so early in the day too....
[14:59] <charlie-tca> click the usb thing at the bottom of the vbox window
[14:59] <charlie-tca> after you launched
[15:00] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to install from it, though
[15:00] <charlie-tca> clicking it or right clicking it lets you mount it
[15:01] <drc> NO USB Devices Attached...click does nothing...the greyed out USB stck is listed there also.
[15:02] <drc> OH well...can't do any tests...calls for a USB test and I can;t do one...Oh Woe Is Me....
[15:03] <charlie-tca> okay, are you in the VBox users group on the main system?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Users must be added to the vboxusers group to allow USB drives to be used in VirtualBox 
[15:03] <charlie-tca> go to menu -> System -> Users and Groups
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Add drc to the group vboxusers
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Then you have to restart or logout to activate that change
[15:04] <charlie-tca> Then you can use USB in VBox
[15:06] <charlie-tca> This is harder to find in the documentation for VBox
[15:06] <drc> orly?
[15:07] <charlie-tca> yup, knome found it 
[15:08] <drc> On the Host, not the VM, right?
[15:08] <charlie-tca> right
[15:08] <drc> logout
[15:11] <drc> Works
[15:11] <charlie-tca> Good
[15:11] <charlie-tca> now to get some testing done...
[15:11] <drc> I *knew* if I mentioned not being able to test, you'd find a solution :)
[15:12] <drc> 64-Live-Entire short test done
[15:13] <charlie-tca> Wow! that was fast, too
[15:13] <drc> That's what my wife says too....
[15:13] <charlie-tca> if you use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, there are 59 upgrades, 1 new, 3 removed
[15:14] <drc> The only odd thing was  Firefox: about:startpage - Not Found - The requested URL /11.10/Google was not found on this server.
[15:14] <charlie-tca> nothing held back
[15:14] <charlie-tca> You need to run updates, that was fixed
[15:14] <drc> darn it
[15:15] <drc> I was gonna take a nap...tiring work, testing
[15:15] <charlie-tca> I know ;-)
[15:15] <charlie-tca> I might have to take tomorrow off, too.
[15:20] <drc> Well...I suppose...maybe we could let you.
[15:22] <drc> Assuming the update goes well, an email to the -devel ML stating the test done and the results would be in order?
[15:22] <charlie-tca> yeah, that would be good
[15:23] <drc> Do I need to report the firefox thingie ?
[15:23] <charlie-tca> or what failed
[15:23] <charlie-tca> no, it is already reported as a bug
[15:23] <charlie-tca> I can kick monday about it not being in the image yet
[15:24] <drc> OK, then...All Systems Go. 64-Live-Short passed.
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Great!
[15:30] <charlie-tca> When I go away today, I won't be back until Oneiric is installed
[15:34] <charlie-tca> running resize test
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Install for 64bit desktop cd does not work from the desktop
[15:39] <charlie-tca> It can only be run from the cd menu itself. It does a logout after partitioning during the live desktop install
[15:40] <charlie-tca> (and, you can not log back in, since the only known user in GDM is "other"
[15:41] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox installation, not tried hardware
[15:46] <drc> huh, did not try from Desktop, did the LiveCD test and then away to do something and came back rebooted and installed from the menu.
[15:47] <drc> charlie-tca:  When I send the mail to the ML, I'll note that menu install...you going to note the Desktop problem?
[15:49] <charlie-tca> no, I am the one the reports go to
[15:49] <drc> Well, report yourself ;)
[15:49] <charlie-tca> report myself to myself?
[15:50] <drc> and make sure you don't play favorites
[15:50] <charlie-tca> I will try not to
[18:26] <Unit193> I still have the 32LiveCD?
[18:27] <drc> Unit193: Yup
[18:28] <Unit193> Sweet. Heh, it's 800M
[18:28] <drc> The 64Live coud not install from the Desktop icon (according the charlie-tca, I didn't try ot), so you may have to do the LiveCD test and then re-boot to install from the initial men.
[18:29] <drc> menu,,sheesh...fngers are tired today
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Unit193: usb drive or VBox, either one should work
[20:12] <charlie-tca> hm, looking at the build logs, I think 32bit should from the live desktop, but 64bit will have issues.
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Well, I have to go install Oneiric now. Back later, when it is working ;-)
[20:32] <drc> in October?
[20:44]  * astraljava hi^5s drc
[20:44] <astraljava> err... that's rather redundant
[20:44] <astraljava> ^5s
[23:04] <Unit193> drc AND charlie-tca are gone...
[23:48] <Unit193> drc: Great! You're back!