[00:11] drc: Internet issues? [01:01] drc needs to enter his password in Xchat not only in nickserv but also in server to solve the changing host and cloak problem. ;-) [01:02] I have SASL so even timeouts don't take it off... [01:04] and if you do /set irc_join_delay 10 ? [01:08] seems i read that wrong.... my bad [01:59] I think there might be a serious memory leak issue with natty. [02:25] and indeed I can confirm [02:25] gltext has a massive memory leak [02:26] does this affect every *buntu Natty release? [02:27] * DarkEra is still trying to learn after 3 years of using Linux [02:28] Out of the box, only Xubuntu + Mythbuntu. We're the only ones who use xscreensaver. [02:29] s/use/ship by default/ [02:31] Does reboot work for anyone else? It doesn't work for me. [02:33] so this memory leak could have caused the freeze of my netbook then yesterday evening while the screensaver was on for a while [02:33] cody-somerville: I'm currently stuck in TTY right now... [02:34] DarkEra, Yes! [02:34] DarkEra, Its caused *huge* performance issues for me as it causes all my other applications to swap to disk [02:34] and then they're super slow [02:34] and I was like... ugh, natty sucks [02:35] i needed to shut it down... the hard way :( [02:35] DarkEra, Try disabling the gltext screensaver and see if you run into the problem again. [02:35] LP #768032 is the bug, btw. [02:35] Launchpad bug 768032 in xscreensaver (Ubuntu Natty) "gltext seems to leak memory eventually causing oom-killer to run" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/768032 [02:36] cody-somerville, i set the screensaver on Blank Screen only and had no problems after that [13:57] I would like to make a suggestion for Xubuntu 11.10 [13:58] The default desktop would look much nicer and tidier, if all hard disk partitions wouldn't be mounted automatically [13:58] agreed [13:59] but to not mount them would also mean not auto-mounting cdrom or usb drives [13:59] easy to change of course, but first impressions are important. [13:59] @charlie-tca: can't thoise categories be separated? [13:59] But not easy to make happen [14:00] They are not separate in Xfce, which makes it very difficult [14:00] an issue for upstream then? [14:00] yes, which they are working on [14:01] in Xfce 4.10? Or will it be backported to 4.8 as well? [14:01] don't know yet if it will be available in 4.10 [14:02] OK.... Thanks for the info [14:04] One other issue: the default wallpaper in Xubuntu is very dark. It would look much more atractive if a lighter wallpaper would be used. Again: in order to improve first impression.... [14:04] Everybody seems to have a different opinion when it comes to light vs dark wallpaper. We had many people hate the lighter background. [14:05] However, it is very easy to change wallpapers. [14:05] yes, but first impressions matter... [14:05] and many people think the darker wallpaper is a huge improvement over the light [14:05] again, different opinions [14:06] We can't please everyone [14:06] tastes differ. :P [14:06] exactly [14:06] which is why we include the light background, all you have to do is change it [14:06] but most people don't see it much, since they open their applications and go to work [14:07] that's true ofcourse. [14:07] well, Xubuntu 11.04 has become very elegant, I think [14:08] Thank you [14:08] a good contender for Unity [14:08] the dock is particularly nice, I think. Both beautiful and functional [14:09] A lot of time and effort went into making the theme and panels work well [14:10] it's steady as a rock as well. Thanks for a great product! :-) [14:10] Thanks for letting us know. [14:10] have to go now. bye. [14:40] 57 updates? On a Daily Build? [14:44] huh? [14:44] seems low [14:44] alternate images don't exist [14:44] We should start seeing between 100 and 200 a day soon [14:45] I know I was doing Live-64-Entire...just for practice. [14:45] We will have a ton of updates daily real soon [14:45] This was not an update, this was a fresh install of the daily build. Ther are that many updates between the time they build the image and now? [14:46] and, yes, they will build the images, an hour later there will be a lot of updates for that image [14:46] * drc starts looking for his LMDE cd....er...dvd ;) [14:46] The image is just a snapshot of what is there at the moment of the build [14:47] Since updates are put through 24 hours a day, they never stop [14:51] I don't think we will get a fix on the alternate image this weekend, since the weekend after the milestone is usually pretty dead [14:51] I think it is a server issue, though [14:52] Well, then that server will get no tip from me, such lousy service. [14:52] heh [14:54] Well well well..."Not all updates can be installed" [14:54] normal [14:55] it means that they are still updating packages [14:55] just do the partial? [14:55] or wait [14:55] or they broke the update-manager [14:55] partial will break things [14:55] wait it is [14:55] most of the time [14:58] OK...how to get VB to recognize a USB Stick...I've done Settings>USB, Enable USB controller is checked, The USB stick is there and checked, When I run the VM the USB is there in Devices> USBDevices, but greyed out and it won't mount? [14:59] me thinks this will be another facepalm moment for him...and so early in the day too.... [14:59] click the usb thing at the bottom of the vbox window [14:59] after you launched [15:00] I don't know how to install from it, though [15:00] clicking it or right clicking it lets you mount it [15:01] NO USB Devices Attached...click does nothing...the greyed out USB stck is listed there also. [15:02] OH well...can't do any tests...calls for a USB test and I can;t do one...Oh Woe Is Me.... [15:03] okay, are you in the VBox users group on the main system? [15:03] Users must be added to the vboxusers group to allow USB drives to be used in VirtualBox [15:03] go to menu -> System -> Users and Groups [15:04] Add drc to the group vboxusers [15:04] Then you have to restart or logout to activate that change [15:04] Then you can use USB in VBox [15:06] This is harder to find in the documentation for VBox [15:06] orly? [15:07] yup, knome found it [15:08] On the Host, not the VM, right? [15:08] right [15:08] logout [15:11] Works [15:11] Good [15:11] now to get some testing done... [15:11] I *knew* if I mentioned not being able to test, you'd find a solution :) [15:12] 64-Live-Entire short test done [15:13] Wow! that was fast, too [15:13] That's what my wife says too.... [15:13] if you use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, there are 59 upgrades, 1 new, 3 removed [15:14] The only odd thing was Firefox: about:startpage - Not Found - The requested URL /11.10/Google was not found on this server. [15:14] nothing held back [15:14] You need to run updates, that was fixed [15:14] darn it [15:15] I was gonna take a nap...tiring work, testing [15:15] I know ;-) [15:15] I might have to take tomorrow off, too. [15:20] Well...I suppose...maybe we could let you. [15:22] Assuming the update goes well, an email to the -devel ML stating the test done and the results would be in order? [15:22] yeah, that would be good [15:23] Do I need to report the firefox thingie ? [15:23] or what failed [15:23] no, it is already reported as a bug [15:23] I can kick monday about it not being in the image yet [15:24] OK, then...All Systems Go. 64-Live-Short passed. [15:25] Great! [15:30] When I go away today, I won't be back until Oneiric is installed [15:34] running resize test [15:39] Install for 64bit desktop cd does not work from the desktop [15:39] It can only be run from the cd menu itself. It does a logout after partitioning during the live desktop install [15:40] (and, you can not log back in, since the only known user in GDM is "other" [15:41] VirtualBox installation, not tried hardware [15:46] huh, did not try from Desktop, did the LiveCD test and then away to do something and came back rebooted and installed from the menu. [15:47] charlie-tca: When I send the mail to the ML, I'll note that menu install...you going to note the Desktop problem? [15:49] no, I am the one the reports go to [15:49] Well, report yourself ;) [15:49] report myself to myself? [15:50] and make sure you don't play favorites [15:50] I will try not to [18:26] I still have the 32LiveCD? [18:27] Unit193: Yup [18:28] Sweet. Heh, it's 800M [18:28] The 64Live coud not install from the Desktop icon (according the charlie-tca, I didn't try ot), so you may have to do the LiveCD test and then re-boot to install from the initial men. [18:29] menu,,sheesh...fngers are tired today [20:09] Unit193: usb drive or VBox, either one should work [20:12] hm, looking at the build logs, I think 32bit should from the live desktop, but 64bit will have issues. [20:31] Well, I have to go install Oneiric now. Back later, when it is working ;-) [20:32] in October? [20:44] * astraljava hi^5s drc [20:44] err... that's rather redundant [20:44] ^5s [23:04] drc AND charlie-tca are gone... [23:48] drc: Great! You're back!