[00:01] <c2tarun> yofel, ping
[00:01] <yofel> pong
[00:01] <c2tarun> sorry for not replying yesterday :( my friends dragged me for drinks. What do you mean by 4.7 layout?
[00:02]  * Quintasan wonders why c2tarun has to be dragged for drinking
[00:03] <c2tarun> Quintasan, I gave my last exam for graduation yesterday ;)
[00:03] <debfx> JontheEchidna: should muon-installer depend on apt-xapian-index (since it calls update-apt-xapian-index in postinst)?
[00:03] <Quintasan> c2tarun: What I mean, is that they dragged you
[00:03] <yofel> c2tarun: compare 4.6.4 http://paste.kde.org/78523/ with 4.6.80 http://paste.kde.org/78529 and guess what the problem might be :P
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> debfx: yes
[00:04] <Quintasan> When someone asks me to go drinking then I usually do not have any problems with it :D
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> I copied the postinst over without copying the dependency
[00:04] <c2tarun> Quintasan, oh... they were drinking vodka and I prefer whisky or scotch so ... :)
[00:04] <Quintasan> yofel: ohshi-
[00:04] <Quintasan> yofel: Don't tell me there will be more splits
[00:04] <Quintasan> :S
[00:04] <yofel> Quintasan: that's pretty much what the slackware and fedora folks said too :D
[00:05] <debfx> JontheEchidna: ok, I'll add it
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> thanks
[00:05] <Quintasan> lol
[00:05] <yofel> well, I think they currently plan (well, they don't have any sort of plan) to use the git splitup like we'll have in neon
[00:06] <c2tarun> yofel, well what the hell is 4.6.8 with 75 tarballs O_O?
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> debfx: I've started working on getting it in to Debian, but this'll need to be taken care of first: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=628981 (I've talked with lisandropm the maintainer, and a better fix should be coming)
[00:07] <yofel> c2tarun: svn componentes were split into seperate git repositories and they simply tarred every git repos seperately
[00:07] <yofel> you'll see even more splits in the future
[00:07] <yofel> (kdeutils and kdeaccessibility are next on the split plan)
[00:08] <c2tarun> yofel, but why did the tarred them separately? I mean why each component alone?
[00:08] <yofel> c2tarun: they simply ran the release script and shipped the output without making any sort of plan
[00:09] <yofel> so they made pretty much every distro angry
[00:09] <yofel> (including us)
[00:09] <debfx> JontheEchidna: ah great. that should be easy enough to fix. has MoDaX or anyone else from debian kde already reviewed muon?
[00:09] <yofel> not that the splitup is a bad idea, but that it was done without any sort of plan
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> debfx: nope, I've not put the packaging up yet. OdyX said that he would take a look at it, though
[00:11] <c2tarun> yofel, so what about 4.6.8? I mean we are still packing here 4.6.4 isn't it?
[00:11] <Quintasan> c2tarun: 4.6.80 is 4.7 Beta 1
[00:12] <yofel> 4.6.4 is for natty
[00:12] <Quintasan> c2tarun: whilst 4.6.4 is point release with bug fixes and we want it in natty
[00:12] <c2tarun> and what everyone mean by ktown getting retired?
[00:13] <yofel> well, the server will be shut down soon (or was already? not sure)
[00:13] <debfx> JontheEchidna: I'm talking more about muon itself, whether they want to adopt muon as their default gui package manager or not
[00:13] <yofel> they're moving the stuff to ftpmaster.kde.org
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> debfx: ah, no, I don't think so. ewoerner brought some warts he found with MSC to my attention last night, though
[00:14] <yofel> c2tarun: btw, your ssh key is on ftpmaster, I checked
[00:14] <c2tarun> yeah, so we should pack 4.6.4 for natty first or that beta 1 for oneiric?
[00:14] <Quintasan> btw. yofel, I am going to create a Doodle poll later today for PN Brigade meeting
[00:15] <yofel> well, 4.6.4 for natty, skip 4.6.80 (too late) and do 4.6.85 which comes out soon
[00:15] <yofel> Quintasan: sure :)
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> debfx: the main thing they wanted was a security review, iirc
[00:17] <Quintasan> Topic in #kde-devel
[00:17] <Quintasan> >World did not end. Everyone back to work, better luck next year.
[00:17] <Quintasan> WTF?
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> http://judgementday2011.com/
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> they first said may 21st, now october :P
[00:18] <JontheEchidna> http://www.npr.org/2011/05/23/136560695/doomsday-believers-cope-with-an-intact-world
[00:18] <Quintasan> omfg
[00:18]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[00:19] <Quintasan> I can't handle so much stupidity in whole day
[00:19] <Quintasan> I do not think anyone here is stupid though
[00:19]  * Quintasan just had to deal with idiots today
[00:20] <yofel> incredibly unproductive way to waste time o.O
[00:20] <yofel> they should spend their time on kubuntu instead ^^
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> To be honest mostly nobody believed that anyway, the media just reported on it because it was really funny
[00:21] <yofel> hehe
[00:21] <c2tarun> and judgemetday will be postponded further (god seems to be busy, as our paper screwed us ;))
[00:22] <yofel> well, everybody is drowning in paperwork these days, the deadline probably just slipped his mind
[00:27] <debfx> why would libnotify-bin pull in half of gnome?
[00:29] <yofel> libnotify4 recommends notify-osd (and others) maybe
[00:29] <debfx> seems like we just need to make kdebase-runtime provide notification-daemon
[00:31] <debfx> it pulls in notification-daemon but certainly not half of gnome
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> kdebase-runtime provides notification-daemon
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> or something
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> or at least it did
[00:32] <debfx> not in natty and oneiric according to p.u.c
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/revision/147
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> must have gotten dropped in a merge
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> probably since nothing provided notification-daemon, the real package got pulled in
[00:36] <ScottK> That would do it.
[00:36] <debfx> error-prone merges are error-prone
[00:38] <debfx> anyway I've created a natty<->oneiric image comparison script which shows that nothing heavyweight from gnome got pulled in
[00:38] <debfx> http://debfx.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-cd-oneiric-diff.htm
[00:38] <ScottK> Nice
[00:39] <debfx> except firefox and its dependencies
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> handy
[00:39] <yofel> good one :)
[00:40] <ScottK> Yep.  That would be enough to explain our oversize.
[00:40] <ScottK> debfx: Can you run that on powerpc?  It's really ballooned up.
[00:42] <debfx> ScottK: where are the powerpc images being published?
[00:43] <ScottK> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[00:43] <debfx> (for the natty release)
[00:43] <ScottK> Oh.
[00:43] <ScottK> I think cdimage, but let me check.
[00:44] <debfx> natty seems to be missing in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/releases/
[00:44] <yofel> great, oxygen-icons 4.6.4 is junk again
[00:45] <ScottK> Ports isn't used in natty.
[00:45] <ScottK> It is missing, but not from there.
[00:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is the deal with
[00:45] <apachelogger> Added language-pack-kde-fr to full [amd64 i386]
[00:45] <apachelogger> when I am updating kubuntu-meta
[00:46] <ScottK> We need to probably figure out how to exclude the language packs from kubuntu-full
[00:46] <ScottK> Kuubntu-full has everything on the dvd and that's probably overkill
[00:46] <ScottK> debfx: I'll ask where it went.
[00:48] <debfx> ScottK: http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download still talks about 10.10 for ports
[00:49] <ScottK> debfx: Yes, but you want 11.04.
[00:49] <debfx> which makes me wonder if we even released powerpc images
[00:49] <ScottK> Ah.   Perhaps.
[00:49]  * ScottK thought it was tested.
[00:49]  * ScottK looks at Tm_T.
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> wasn't powerpc supposed to go away last release?
[00:53] <c2tarun> where can I get the lates version of kde-sc-dev-latest?
[00:54] <c2tarun> yofel, ^^
[00:55] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.
[00:55] <yofel> c2tarun: for...?
[00:55] <c2tarun> yofel, kdeutils
[00:55] <yofel> no, 4.6.4 or oneiric packages?
[00:55] <c2tarun> yofel, 4.6.4
[00:55] <yofel> ninjas
[00:56] <yofel> kdelibs needs a few more minutes though
[00:58]  * c2tarun why the hell I am packaging the topmost node in tree :(
[00:58]  * c2tarun gone insane will be back soon 
[00:58] <debfx> I can't find ubuntu powerpc images either
[00:58] <yofel> hahaha
[00:58] <ScottK> LaserJock: apachelogger's advice is mail dirk.vdb@gmail.com
[00:59] <yofel> c2tarun: believe me, you won't be insane until you at least once try to get project-neon-qtscriptgenerator to build, that's pure insanity
[00:59] <c2tarun> hehe :)
[00:59] <yofel> (as a matter of fact I still haven't gotten that to build)
[01:05]  * c2tarun crap, my chroot just crashed, I have to build another one :(
[02:16] <c2tarun> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames link says that kdegames-4.6.3 is not in natty. :/ why so?
[02:16] <yofel> erm, it's in the PPA
[02:54] <c2tarun> yofel, then what about that page? the link I gave you
[02:55] <yofel> that shows the official archive, 
[02:56] <yofel> 4.6.3 for natty is in kubuntu-ppa/ppa
[02:56] <c2tarun> yofel, anyway I just wanted the debian/ :) I got it from LP
[02:56] <yofel> that's where 4.6.4 will go too
[02:56] <yofel> c2tarun: you didn't use the debian/ from bzr right? the one from oneiric
[02:57] <c2tarun> yofel, oh, I was about to use it. where can I get natty debian?
[02:57] <yofel> download the package from kubuntu-ppa/ppa as I said
[02:58] <c2tarun> yofel, well the package is around 60 MB it will take me more that half hour to download everything. How can I get just debian?
[02:58] <yofel> I'll tar it for you, give me a minute
[02:59] <c2tarun> sure
[03:00] <Daskreech> hi hunger
[03:02] <c2tarun> does anyone feel that ubuntu works better than kubuntu? I mean I installed ubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop on it, and except some gliches its working better than kubuntu. Less kernel freezes or system slow or anything like that.
[03:02] <yofel> c2tarun: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/debian.tar.gz
[03:02] <Daskreech> c2tarun: you mean the Ubuntu base system works better than the kubuntu base ?
[03:02] <yofel> thinking again, you could have gotten it from bzr actually, you would have just had to use the pre-merge rev
[03:02] <c2tarun> yofel, got it :) thanks
[03:03] <Daskreech> I.E. if you take off th DEs?
[03:03] <c2tarun> Daskreech, yeah I mean that ubuntu base system gives better performance then kubuntu base
[03:03] <yofel> c2tarun: well, the ground system is the same, but KDE usually needs a bit more resources than gnome
[03:04] <Daskreech> yofel: His argument is that installing Kubuntu runs worse than installing ubuntu-server (I guess) then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:04] <yofel> if you get more kernel freezes then because we use buggier parts of the kernel/drivers, or parts that ubuntu doesn't care about
[03:04] <c2tarun> yofel, nope, I got kde on ubuntu base, still this works better. Like in kubuntu my system freezes very often, and sometimes kubuntu don't start just the blue screen with four lights and sometime it don't shutdown. but its not happeneing now
[03:04] <yofel> no idea, shouldn't happen
[03:05]  * c2tarun thought using ubuntu for a while but missed plasmoids so much that installed kubuntu-desktop same day ;)
[03:08] <claydoh> kwin vs compiz, maybe? 
[03:12] <c2tarun> yofel, I remembered you corrected something to Vcs as its owned by kubuntu-packagers. Is this correct? http://paste.kde.org/78541/ as it says kubuntu-members and not packagers?
[03:13] <yofel> ah right, that should be -packagers
[03:16] <yofel> hm, 4:15am
[03:16]  * yofel tries to get some sleep, good night folks
[03:20] <c2tarun> gn yofel  :))
[03:28] <ScottK> c2tarun: The Ubuntu and Kubuntu base systems are the same.
[03:29] <ScottK> apachelogger: I fixed /var/cache on the main armel box.  The other two that you couldn't connect to are powered on.  I'll need to drag a monitor down to where they are to figure out what's up with them.
[03:29] <ScottK> Good night all.
[06:40] <c2tarun> why am I not able to find any packages properly? where can I find kde-multimedia 4.6.3 for natty? I need to pack 4.6.4
[06:41] <c2tarun> well I just found that latest upload is 4.6.2ubuntu* so I am going to take its debian
[06:50] <Tm_T> ScottK: I tested what I could and reported, then asked one person who owns g4 devices to do testing too, no idea if he ever reported his results
[06:52] <c2tarun> Tm_T, he went to sleep few hours ago :/
[06:53] <Tm_T> c2tarun: I know, and he can read my response when he returns (:
[06:53] <c2tarun> oh.. :)
[06:54] <Tm_T> just like I just did saw I was looked at
[06:58] <c2tarun> Tm_T, could you help me with packaging problem?
[07:00] <c2tarun> I was packaging kdemultimedia and in debian/patches/series file I found only three names but there are four patches. Should I remove the extra patch?
[07:02] <Tm_T> depending on the patch
[07:03] <Tm_T> does it still apply? is it still necessary?
[07:04] <c2tarun> Tm_T, the patch  The patch remove OnlyShowIn=KDE from kmix.desktop
[07:06] <Tm_T> hmmm, so is it done in upstream? is there any comments in changelog of removing that?
[07:06] <c2tarun> Tm_T, here is the patch http://paste.ubuntu.com/618866/
[07:06] <c2tarun> let me check
[07:08] <Tm_T> just as a note: I haven't been involved packaging for a long time now so I might ask you checking more than is needed (:
[07:10] <Tm_T> c2tarun: onlyshowin=kde is there in 10.10
[07:10] <c2tarun> Tm_T, no problem :) that patch was applied long time ago but no details about removing it.
[07:10] <c2tarun> Tm_T, I am checking whether its allready applied
[07:13] <c2tarun> Tm_T, patch is not applied.
[07:16] <c2tarun> Tm_T, the patch is not applied, it will apply if I want to.
[07:27] <c2tarun> Tm_T, ping
[07:42] <Quintasan> \o
[07:43] <c2tarun> Quintasan, ping, can you help me with ^^^ problem?
[07:43] <Quintasan> c2tarun: where did you get the packaging from?
[07:43] <c2tarun> Quintasan, packaging? or tarball
[07:44] <Quintasan> packaging
[07:44] <c2tarun> Quintasan, I am not getting what do you mean by packaging? :(
[07:45] <Quintasan> c2tarun: debian/ dir
[07:45] <Quintasan> it is the directory with packaging files
[07:45] <c2tarun> Quintasan, oh.. from Launchpad
[07:45] <Quintasan> so we call it packaging
[07:45] <c2tarun> wait let me give you link
[07:45] <Quintasan> whatever
[07:45] <Quintasan> you get packaging from bzr
[07:45] <Quintasan> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/<kde module>/ubuntu
[07:45] <Quintasan> so in this case
[07:46] <c2tarun> Quintasan, nope, sorry I dont know how to use bzr :(
[07:46] <Quintasan> bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kdemultimedia/ubuntu
[07:46] <Quintasan> then it is high time to learn it
[07:46] <c2tarun> hmm... ok, I'll learn bzr soon.
[07:47] <c2tarun> Quintasan, BTW I get my packaging from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdemultimedia/4:4.6.2-0ubuntu2
[07:48] <Quintasan> get it from bzr
[07:48] <Quintasan> c2tarun: which patch did you mean?
[07:48] <c2tarun> Quintasan, that 01_kmix***
[07:48] <Quintasan> hmmm
[07:49] <Quintasan> It is not a really grave change.
[07:49] <Quintasan> It will just stop KMix from showing up in other DE's menus
[07:50] <c2tarun> Quintasan, yeah but once I left a extra space and every said that I should keep package size to small :/ so I guess this patch is taking few spaces.
[07:50] <Quintasan> c2tarun: That is left there to reduce delta to Debian's packaging
[07:50] <Quintasan> leave it as it is
[07:50] <c2tarun> hmm... ok
[07:50] <Quintasan> i.e don't remove it, don't add it to debian/patches/series
[07:51] <Quintasan> just to be sure
[07:51] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ^^
[09:00] <debfx> apachelogger: how is adding sound-theme-freedesktop to build-deps supposed to fix bug #790608 ?
[09:33] <c2tarun> well I got this error http://paste.kde.org/78559/ while building kdeaccessibility. the package libXtst and speechd should be mentoned in debian/control?
[09:39] <c2tarun> well libxtst and speechd are not packages in ubuntu :(
[10:18] <yofel> c2tarun: well, they are there mentioned in the control file (libxtst-dev and libspeechd-dev)
[10:25] <yofel> c2tarun: also, please don't forget to add the ~ppa1 to the package version, you did for kdemultimedia
[10:26] <yofel> and you don't usually remove changelogs, you add a new one :S
[10:30]  * yofel goes fixing
[10:39] <c2tarun> yofel,  what do you mean by removing changelogs?
[10:39] <c2tarun> and if libxtst-dev and libspeechd-dev are in control file then why am I getting this error?
[10:40] <c2tarun> and not missing dependencies error?
[10:42] <yofel> latter not sure, for kdemultimedia you removed the 4.6.3 changelog and made  that into a 4.6.4 changelog
[10:42] <c2tarun> yofel, there was no changelog for 4.6.3 :/
[10:42] <c2tarun> I noticed it too
[10:43] <yofel> the PPA package has it
[10:43] <yofel> c2tarun: see, it's there http://paste.ubuntu.com/618229/
[10:43] <yofel> er, wait, wrong link
[10:43] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa/+packages
[10:45] <apachelogger> debfx: damn
[10:45] <c2tarun> :( is there something wrong with my chroot or what :( I'll fix it yofel
[10:45] <c2tarun> just give me some time
[10:46] <yofel> wel, I really don't know why you would get that error if sudo apt-get build-dep kdeaccessibility installs nothing
[10:46] <c2tarun> yofel, I am fixing kdemultimedia first :( then I'll work on kdeaccessibility now.
[10:47] <yofel> wait, I'll fix kdemultimedia
[10:47] <yofel> I first need to delete the package in ninjas since the version is wrong
[10:47] <c2tarun> yofel, I am very sorry for wrong upload. :(
[10:48] <yofel> k, in an hour or so LP should accept a ~ppa1 upload
[10:51] <ulysses> apachelogger: did you see Doctor Who?
[11:05] <apachelogger> no
[11:06] <yofel> k, fixed multimedia up
[11:25] <c2tarun> yofel, I am getting this error http://paste.kde.org/78625/ and I looked into older version in repo but couldn't find kcm_audiocd.so file
[11:37] <yofel> kdemultimedia-kio-plugins 4:4.6.2-0ubuntu2 certainly has that file though...
[11:38] <yofel> c2tarun: wait, kdemultimedia is done already, why are you building it?
[11:39] <c2tarun> f***, sorry I am out of my mind right now :( I'll try later.
[11:42] <yofel> ^^
[13:58] <c2tarun> which ppa contains pkg-kde-tools latest version for natty?
[13:59] <c2tarun> I tried kubuntu-ninjas but its not there and neither in kubuntu-ppa/backports
[14:03] <ScottK> c2tarun: It's in regular natty-backports, not a PPA.
[14:03] <c2tarun> ScottK, how to activate natty-backports?
[14:05] <ScottK> c2tarun: I think it's covered in this documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[14:05] <c2tarun> ScottK, thanks 
[14:06] <yofel> what do you need it for?
[14:07] <c2tarun> yofel, kdeaccessibility
[14:07] <yofel> if kdeaccessibility needs a newer pkg-kde-tools then you're using the wrong packaging
[14:08] <yofel> for the natty packages 0.9 is enough
[14:09]  * c2tarun not again :( checking
[14:10] <yofel> if you use packaging from bzr then you need to use the revision from before the oneiric merge
[14:11] <yofel> for kdeaccessibility that would be r102
[14:13] <c2tarun> yofel, WTF .. :( why the hell I always get wrong packaging? 
[14:13] <yofel> well, bzr HEAD has the oneiric packaging, you don't want that, the easiest way to get the right packaging is to download the 4.6.3 packages from the PPA(!)
[14:14] <yofel> or as I said, check the bzr log and use the pre-merge revision
[14:14] <c2tarun> yofel, as you know I have very slow connection, I cant download whole package again and again :(
[14:16] <c2tarun> yofel, any place for getting the correct debian folder directly?
[14:16] <yofel> as I said (multiple times) take the pre-merge revision from bzr
[14:17] <yofel> for kdeaccessibility that's revision 102
[16:57] <mfraz74> is anyone here using Konqueror in 11.04?
[16:59] <yofel> sometimes, what's up?
[17:00] <mfraz74> In 11.04 if I try to access a non existent folder, I get an error saying the protocol error is not supported
[17:05] <mfraz74> any ideas?
[19:09] <tensa_zangetsu> hi all. i'm learning pykde, so are there any programming projects/bugs related to that? 
[19:39] <Daskreech> tensa_zangetsu: in kde or kubuntu?
[20:18] <bambee> evening
[21:28] <kernellogger> !find libdw.h
[21:29]  * micahg didn't know ubottu supported that
[22:13] <shadeslayer> kernellogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-calligra
[22:16] <kernellogger> jussi: ping
[22:16] <kernellogger> shadeslayer: is that working alreadyz?
[22:17] <shadeslayer> kernellogger: yes, it'll be building in a couple of minutes, should be available in a hour or two
[22:19] <shadeslayer> kernellogger: back from randa?
[22:19] <kernellogger> no
[22:19] <kernellogger> but out of the beerz
[22:19] <kernellogger> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=274954
[22:19] <shadeslayer> yeah, i saw the bug
[22:19] <shadeslayer> xD
[22:20] <shadeslayer> kernellogger: you should probably assign that to ScottK
[22:20] <shadeslayer> since he seems to be experienced in arranging beer
[22:21] <kernellogger> ScottK: ^
[22:21] <kernellogger> plz fix
[22:23] <kernellogger> shadeslayer: didnt we have a picture of jussi's qt on arm?
[22:23] <kernellogger> from uds-n
[22:23] <shadeslayer> yes
[22:23] <shadeslayer> kernellogger: it's probably on facebook or something
[22:23] <kernellogger> didnt find it 
[22:24] <shadeslayer> dunno
[22:24] <shadeslayer> anyways, i'm off
[22:24] <shadeslayer> cya
[22:27] <jussi> kernellogger: what?
[22:28] <kernellogger> nhvm
[22:28] <jussi> heh
[22:28]  * jussi is androiding...
[22:54] <droidslayer> kernellogger: roflol ... Bzr ran out of memory
[22:54] <droidslayer> yofel: ^^ manual upload plz
[22:54] <yofel> fooey
[22:54] <yofel> sec
[22:55] <droidslayer> Sure
[22:55] <yofel> running
[22:56] <droidslayer> Fooey
[22:57] <yofel> ^^
[22:57] <yofel> script running
[22:57] <droidslayer> :)
[23:01] <claydoh> well its not an android phone, but my wife bought me a webcam
[23:01] <claydoh> she doesn
[23:01] <claydoh> t get it
[23:07] <droidslayer> yofel: i've disabled the automatic build
[23:08] <yofel> k
[23:09] <ScottK> kernellogger: I don't think I can do that remotely.
[23:10] <yofel> WTF, 94MB source.tar.zx :O
[23:11] <droidslayer> @_@