[00:58] <Tandyman100> phillw: thanks for the link!
[00:59] <stlsaint> phillw: hey you wiki admin yes?
[01:00] <phillw> stlsaint: for my sins, yes
[01:02] <phillw> I'm pushing for UndefineD to get his, as he is TL for ubuntu-beginners-wiki, but have said that he, or the team, can invoke me on the rare occaision such is required.
[01:02] <stlsaint> phillw: hey is it good writing to advertise in this manner? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces
[01:03] <stlsaint> phillw: i mean its been a month or two since i touched a wiki but i dont recall having a persons wiki page as reference the first thing a reader sees, now maybe moving it down till after the wiki but only if that is titled as a resource
[01:05] <phillw> stlsaint: it is already flagged as not following the styling. One for the Summer of Documentation with the ubuntu-beginners-wiki?
[01:06] <stlsaint> sure
[01:06] <stlsaint> ah i remember my first SoD :D
[03:55] <semitones> hey you guys, is anyone here?
[04:21] <jmarsden> semitones: I am here, in my house in Southern California, which may well not be your definition of "here" :)
[04:21] <semitones> oh hey!
[04:22] <semitones> Thanks again for figuring out that apci=off deal!
[04:22] <jmarsden> phillw: I just edited that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BridgingNetworkInterfaces page to move the link to the author to the end of the document under "Additional Resources".  Why leave a 2 minute edit to "Summer of Documenation"? :)
[04:22] <KM0201> jmarsden: any idea why the mini ISO would fail at the (i presume) very end in Vbox
[04:22] <jmarsden> semitones: No problem.
[04:23] <jmarsden> KM0201: Not really -- can you define "fail" a lot more specifically?
[04:23] <KM0201> unfortunately no.. i can't... basically, it would go through the entire process, including setting up my username, etc
[04:23] <KM0201> then at the very end (when i assume it is installing grub).. it just stops, screen goes blue, and thats it.
[04:24] <semitones> I'm trying to compile a kernel module today -- can you take a look at the output and help me figure out if those errors are important or not relevant?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/618763/
[04:24] <jmarsden> KM0201: Can you then move to a different virtual terminal within the VM?  Or right click on the blue screen and get some sort of popup menu?
[04:25] <KM0201> nope.. it just seems to stop, no more network, although the "cd" shows its being accessed (i booted the ISO)
[04:25] <KM0201> tried it twice, same problem
[04:26] <jmarsden> KM0201: OK, which mini ISO are you using?  Give me a URL to it and I'll download it and see if I can duplicate the issue here (may not be right now...)
[04:26] <KM0201> jmarsden: the one on the lubuntu walkthrough.. hang on..
[04:27] <KM0201> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall
[04:27] <jmarsden> semitones: I think you should investigate those warnings, looks like your module code defines some things that are already defined in the kernel headers... *if* both definitions are the same, that's OK, if they are different, you are in bad shape.
[04:28] <jmarsden> KM0201: Um, that page has links to at least 3 different mini ISOs... I need you to tell me which one you used ... prove a link to the ISO, not to the instructions :)
[04:28] <jmarsden> s/prove/provide/
[04:28] <KM0201> jmarsden: oh, sorry.. 11.04 32bit iso
[04:28] <jmarsden> OK.
[04:28] <KM0201> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[04:29] <KM0201> it seemed to go fine, till the very end.. then i let it sit for like 15-20min, when i'm assuming grub should be installed.. and.. nothing
[04:29] <semitones> jmarsden: ok, so what two things should I compare?
[04:29] <jmarsden> The things the warnings say are being redefined, of course :)
[04:32] <jmarsden> KM0201: OK, mini.iso downloaded, I'll see if i can install it OK here...
[04:32] <semitones> heh i'm confused, I see one file, but where is the other file?
[04:33] <KM0201> jmarsden: appreciated, like i said.. from what i could tell, it seemed to go fine till the end... i'd set my username/password, then nothing
[04:34] <jmarsden> /home/warren/acx/acx-20080210/wlan_compat.h:224 is one, and include/linux/irqreturn.h is the other, from lines 7 and 8 of your pastebin
[04:34] <jmarsden> semitones: ^^
[04:36] <semitones> thanks
[04:36] <semitones> investigating
[05:17] <jmarsden> KM0201: Ubuntu 11.04 mini.iso install into a Virtualbox 4.0.8 VM here worked fine, no problems encountered.  Host OS is Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS on am64, in case it matters.
[05:19] <jmarsden> KM0201: Um... well, the resulting VM does not seem to boot... so maybe there *is* a problem here :)
[05:32] <KM0201> jmarsden: did it install grub successfully?
[05:32] <KM0201> cuz i think thats where it is failing..
[05:33] <jmarsden> It got all the way through to "please remove the CD and then press Enter to reboot, so... yes, except that it then did not run grub?!  I'm trying again at the moment...
[05:33] <KM0201> ok, see, i didn't get that far, but i was using 11.04
[05:34] <KM0201> mine, after i entered username/password, it went no further.
[05:34] <jmarsden> Host Os shouldn't be relevant, but you never know.  Oh, it went way past that here, asking about selection of packages, etc... so we may be looking at two different issues.
[05:34] <KM0201> jmarsden: no, guest OS was 11.04
[05:35] <jmarsden> well, sure, guest here was 11.04, 32bit mini.iso from the page you pointed to.
[05:35] <KM0201> oh ok.
 KM0201: Ubuntu 11.04 mini.iso install into a Virtualbox 4.0.8 VM here worked fine, no problems encountered.  Host OS is Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS on am64, in case it matters.
[05:36] <jmarsden> I think I specified both guest and host OSes? :)
[05:36] <KM0201> oh ok.
[05:36] <KM0201> i misunerstood when i read it.
[05:36] <KM0201> it never got to selecting packages, etc... for me
[05:37] <KM0201> i think the very last thing it done, was either setting up my user account, or maybe right after that, configuring Apt (which it appeared to do succesffully)
[05:38] <jmarsden> Sounds like a different issue than what I saw... What else can I think of to check.... What system options do you have set for that VM?  Enable I/O APIC?  The VM hardware stuff?
[05:52] <KM0201> jmarsden: yah, i'm at a loss, not sure.
[05:52] <KM0201> yes, i enabled i/o
[05:52] <KM0201> brb, dog needs out
[06:45] <silverarrow> hi
[06:48] <silverarrow> hi
[06:49] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Hi.  Do you have an Lubuntu support question?
[06:54] <silverarrow> yes
[06:54] <silverarrow> I am trying to boot lubuntu on a hp machine
[06:54] <silverarrow> but I boot into a sort of terminal like black screen?
[06:54] <silverarrow> I don't get the usual full boot up jmarsden
[06:55] <silverarrow> is there a way about it? a known quirk?
[06:56] <jmarsden> You will need to be a LOT more specific.  What HP machine?  What version of Lubuntu?  Does this happen if you boot from the LiveCD , or only when booting from an installed copy of Lubuntu on the hard drive?
[06:56] <silverarrow> ...well, HP Pavillion Entertainment PC
[06:57] <silverarrow> latest version of lubuntu, but I have tried the previous too
[06:57] <silverarrow> I cannot boot as live CD
[06:58] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Latest?  You are running the Oneiric 11.01 alpha1 ?
[06:58] <silverarrow> I haven't had this happen on other computers
[06:59] <silverarrow> hmm, 11.04
[06:59] <silverarrow> I burned it yesterday
[06:59] <jmarsden> OK.  How much RAM does the PC concerned have?
[06:59] <silverarrow> I have written 11.04 on the cd, and it boots on fine on another laptop
[07:00] <silverarrow> 3GB
[07:00] <jmarsden> That's plenty :)
[07:00] <silverarrow> centrino 2 processor
[07:00] <silverarrow> nvida purvideo HD video card
[07:00] <jmarsden> Does the machine affected have a second screen attached?
[07:00] <silverarrow> it's 32bit, not the latest stuff
[07:00] <silverarrow> but it's not old
[07:01] <silverarrow> no
[07:01] <silverarrow> no second screen attached
[07:02] <silverarrow> i really like this laptop, but I don't like the vista
[07:02] <silverarrow> windows 7 was launched when I bought it
[07:02] <jmarsden> I'm not sure what to suggest... have you tried other Ubuntu variants?  Does the Ubuntu 11.04 CD boot OK on it?
[07:03] <silverarrow> I am in puppy linux now, so linux should be possible ?
[07:03] <silverarrow> no I havent tried ubuntu
[07:03] <silverarrow> I can try ubuntu
[07:03] <jmarsden> Might be worth trying, if it works you can add the lubuntu-desktop package and remove the GNOME stuff if you prefer the Lubuntu / LXDE look.
[07:04] <silverarrow> I chose lubuntu because it ran very light and easy on a different laptop, really old one
[07:04] <silverarrow> and I have had ubuntu run super slow on several laptops
[07:05] <silverarrow> but maybe this can handle ubuntu fine
[07:05] <jmarsden> Yes... I like your choice :)  I'm just trying to find a workaround that might get you going on this laptop...
[07:05] <jmarsden> If you get Ubuntu going on it but it runs slowly, come back here and ask for help turning it into Lubuntu :)
[07:06] <silverarrow> yes, I aprechiate it
[07:06] <jmarsden> You're welcome.
[07:06] <silverarrow> cool, thanks
[07:07] <silverarrow> then I shall have to burn a latest ubuntu :- )
[07:07] <silverarrow> see you
[07:10] <jmarsden> OK, bye for now.
[10:08]  * head_victim is installing Alpha 1 in a VB now
[10:23] <head_victim> Both Ubuntu and Lubuntu have to choose crap download servers don't they :/
[10:23] <head_victim> Makes a 10 minute installation take nearly 30
[10:43] <head_victim> The desktop looks great on first impressions
[10:43] <head_victim> jmarsden: if there's anything specific you want confirmed or tested on the alpha just let me know
[11:51] <leszek> hi
[11:52] <head_victim> Evening leszek
[14:14] <Thraspic> Hard question: I'm looking for a way to reload lxpanel without killing it and restarting it, and without using 'lxpanelctl restart'.  I want changes to the lxpanel config file to update without the panel itself flcikering on then off, similar to when you use "Panel Settings" or "Menu Settings" from lxpanel's right-click menus. Any ideas?
[14:17] <stlsaint> so you dont want to login out then in?
[14:19] <Thraspic> stlsaint, thats not needed anyway, you can just use "lxpanelctl restart" at the command line.  relogging isn't necessary.  But when you use lxpanelctl restart, the panel flickers off then on, I want to ge
[14:20] <Thraspic> I want to get a way to reload it without the panel flickering at all, just a smooth transition into the new config file settings
[14:20] <head_victim> Thraspic: I'm not sure that's possible, wouldn't it have to redraw the panel?
[14:21] <Thraspic> head_victim, I suppose it would, however if you go to "Panel Settings" from t right click menu, and change the font, it updates without a flciker and without seeming to redraw the panel.
[14:22] <Thraspic> Same with "Menu Settings" and changing the main menu icon.
[14:22] <stlsaint> Thraspic: yes i know the ways to restart a process/service but what changes are you wanting to make that you wont have to restart the panel?
[14:23] <stlsaint> Just like with any os there are some changes that dont require a restarting of the process for changes to take effect and some that do.
[14:24] <Thraspic> stlsaint, I'm playing with a couple of GUI-tweaking scripts.  I want the update of config settings to be smooth, otherwise it wont be useable.  Since we know that lxpanel can update its config settings without a full restart, I'd just like to figure out a way to do it as well.  But it seems this "nice reload" function it has is not as accessible as the more barbaric and dirty "lxpanelctl restart'
[14:25] <head_victim> Thraspic: that's going to be a pretty in depth look at how lxde calls things, I'd put that one on the mailing list for developers to comment or refer you to other information.
[14:26] <stlsaint> barbaric and dirty???
[14:26] <stlsaint> LOL you must hate all OS's than if you feel a flicker on and off is barbaric and dirty
[14:26] <Thraspic> Will try the mailing list, thanks.
[14:27] <head_victim> Barbaric and dirty is a little strong I'd suggest.
[14:42] <stlsaint> ahh i had to rejoin??
[14:45] <head_victim> Well apparently 3 VMs and HDTV is what I need to get above 80% on my cpu.
[14:47] <stlsaint> lol
[14:47] <stlsaint> nice
[14:47] <head_victim> I have 5.25GB of RAM in use apparently.
[14:50] <stlsaint> dang
[14:50] <stlsaint> how much is on your system?
[14:50] <head_victim> 9.79 apparently, 2 1gb sticks and another 2 4gb sticksw
[14:51] <stlsaint> man i hate being over here,
[14:51] <stlsaint> i used to be able to download a 700MB linux OS in under 20mins, now it takes 9hours
[14:52] <head_victim> If my local mirror hosts it (aarnet.edu.au) then I'm fine, 700MB in about 3 minutes, otherwise it depends on where I'm sucking it from.
[14:55] <stlsaint> head_victim: question....once we become official, will we start inheriting things like kubuntu like memberships and docs sites, forums, etc? I would assume that would be decided on scale usage of lubuntu
[14:55] <head_victim> stlsaint: I'd say it will be a progression over time
[14:55] <stlsaint> aye
[14:55] <stlsaint> what i meant more so
[14:56] <Guest20404> Hm, I can't see empathy ever becoming a real IRC client :/
[14:56]  * Guest20404 is a clone of head_victim
[14:57] <stlsaint> i never even considered empathy (nor never used it)
[14:57] <Guest20404> I'm only doing it to test alphas and I shouldn't rubbish things I haven't tried either I guess.
[14:58] <Guest20404> playing with themes now to make sure it's not going to work
[14:59] <head_victim> stlsaint: but yeah, I think Lubuntu will eventually end up like Kubuntu and Xubuntu as far as infrastructure goes. It would be impossible to dump it all on us at once, we just don't ahve the resources in the team to deal with it
[15:00] <stlsaint> head_victim: agreed but planning of some sort could/should at least start, even if a small blueprint of some sort
[15:01] <head_victim> I'm not sure we have enough active people to even warrant that at the moment, I think consolidating what we're already doing would be best. But to start that sort of discussion I'd put it to the mailing list and see what sort of response you get. If it's enough positive then start a launchpad blueprint
[15:01] <stlsaint> bah im too lazy to right now ;) lol
[15:02] <head_victim> Fair enough :D
[15:03] <stlsaint> head_victim: although updating the actual lubuntu site shouldnt be much a task, im just going through the various *ubuntu sites trying to see the layout and lubuntu.net is more a blog roll than a actual OS site
[15:03] <head_victim> stlsaint: agreed, I'm not sure who has control over it eithe
[15:06] <stlsaint> head_victim: mario i think is the admin on it
[15:06] <stlsaint> i know i brought this up on the ml before
[15:08] <stlsaint> brb
[15:09] <head_victim> I don't know who mario is sorry
[17:33] <kunguz> Everytime, I start lubuntu, it asks for root password to connect to the wireless lan. How do I stop asking me the password to connect to a wlan?
[17:37] <head_victim> kunguz: does it ask to unlock the keyring or specifically for the wireless?
[17:37] <kunguz> head_victim: let me recheck and tell
[17:38] <kunguz> head_victim: it ask for the keyring, how do I disable it?
[17:39] <head_victim> Just trying to find a good page to explain it
[17:39] <stlsaint> i know there was a patch before for this very issue in ubuntu
[17:39] <stlsaint> had to patch my system
[17:39] <kunguz> head_victim: thanks anyways
[17:40] <head_victim> stlsaint: yeah it rings a bell that's why I was checking the error
[17:40] <head_victim> kunguz: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-linux/165978-solved-frequent-login-keyring.html seems to have solved it for someone but I'm not sure how secure that is
[17:41] <head_victim> It usually has something to do with setting autologin
[17:44] <kunguz> head_victim: it worked for me, thanks!
[17:45] <head_victim> No problems
[17:48] <stlsaint> Someone get head_victim a gold star!!
[17:48] <head_victim> !cookie
[21:53] <Ahmuck> *yawn*
[21:53] <phillw> Ahmuck: I hope you covered your mouth!
[22:01] <slooksterpsv> Q? with the notify-send via libnotify is there a way to show a progress bar? or like a percentage bar?
[22:03] <slooksterpsv> The reason I ask is cause when I use my volume soft keys it doesn't display what the volume is at