[03:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] New Lernid Release: Please Test - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/05/new-lernid-release-please-test/
[07:44]  * MartijnVdS upgrades to oneiric.. let the breakage begin :)
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> yay 1995 theme
[08:59] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:01] <hcfd> o/
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:05] <daubers> Morning
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[10:37]  * MartijnVdS is on a bug reporting spree
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> (mostly hardware related)
[11:07] <brobostigon> good morning everyone
[11:11] <reaper4334> I have a computer that I don't want to upgrade to 11.04 on, is it worth downgrading from 10.10 to 10.04 because 10.04 has LTS?
[11:18] <brobostigon> reaper4334: in all truth, idont think it is possible  to downgrade a whole system successfully, without manually downgrading each individual package, avoiding breakage atthe same time.
[11:19] <reaper4334> brobostigon: I probably would back everything up and reinstall the older version completely if that's what I end up needing to do
[11:20] <brobostigon> reaper4334: yes, simply installing lts, might be easier. however tring to downgrade the whole systm, could be an interesting experience.
[11:21] <reaper4334> brobostigon: so is it worth installing lts version instead then? or would it not really make a difference?
[11:23] <brobostigon> reaper4334: depends on the application you will be using it for, if you want a server, iwould suggest lts,however, if its for a desktop, and natty works, iwould probebly stick, if you are happy with it.
[11:24] <reaper4334> brobostigon: Natty didn't work on it, so I'm using 10.10 at the moment
[11:25] <stgraber> reaper4334: 10.10 will be supported until 12.04 which will be the next LTS. So if 10.10 works for you and you plan on upgrading before/at the next LTS, then it should be fine. Otherwise you can reinstall on 10.04 and have a supported desktop till 13.04
[11:25] <brobostigon> reaper4334: ok, i would probebly stick there then. and when oneiric becomes more stable, test that on live usb.
[11:26] <stgraber> reaper4334: also, note that you won't be able to upgrade directly from 10.10 to 11.10. You'll need to reinstall or do a first upgrade to 11.04, then to 11.10.
[11:27] <reaper4334> stgraber: okay, I'll try to keep that in mind
[11:27] <reaper4334> stgraber, brobostigon: thanks both of you, I'll keep 10.10 for now :)
[11:28] <brobostigon> reaper4334: you're welcome.:)
[11:54]  * brobostigon tries out oneiric on live usb.
[12:59] <brobostigon> idea on a dvb-t usb adaptor, that works with linux?
[13:04] <Laney> stgraber in -uk?!?!?!
[13:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] June Project Underway - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/06/05/june-project-underway/
[13:35] <masterm1nd> server irc.freenode.net
[13:58] <gord> so... my weather indicator is currently telling me that the weather is "nighttime"
[13:58] <gord> that seems... wrong
[13:59] <dwatkins> gord: for you perhaps...
[13:59] <penguin42> wrong location?
[13:59] <gord> its got my location just fine
[13:59] <gord> maybe its talking about the crewe thats on mars
[13:59] <dwatkins> or somewhere in Japan...
[14:00] <gord> there is no where in japan called crewe ;)
[14:00] <dwatkins> I know, I was being silly. I guess it must think you're in California.
[14:01] <penguin42> gord: The one in Virginia?
[14:02] <penguin42> (looks unlikely - although bizarrely it is just next to Chester)
[14:02] <gord> nope, its all set correctly
[14:02] <gord> it'll figure itself out soon i'm sure
[14:03] <dwatkins> Has it actually updated / had network access since the sun rose?
[14:03] <gord> its only had network access since the sun rose
[14:04] <penguin42> it's odd looking at AMerican maps and finding Dorset near Chester and Crewe
[14:14] <shauno> americans 'borrowing' names is fun.  when I lived in the states, I was near roscommon county.  now I live in ireland, I'm right next to roscommon county.
[14:28] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dominic Watkins] Removing ASCII codes from filenames - http://rowla.dyndns.org/blog/2011/06/05/removing-ascii-codes-from-filenames/
[15:34] <dwatkins> Wow, it really is quiet here today - my blog post is the last thing said in over an hour ;)
[15:36] <penguin42> dwatkins: Lots of channels seem to be really quiet today - I guess there is still good weather in some of the country
[15:36] <hamitron> it isn't where you are?
[15:37] <penguin42> no, it was really nice yesterday but it's about 5-6c cooler than yesterday - 15c and rather grey
[15:37] <reaper4334> yeah same here
[15:37] <hamitron> better weather to do stuff though
[15:37] <hamitron> has been a little too hot
[15:37] <hamitron> :/
[15:38] <reaper4334> yeah, I'm one of those sad-sounding types that prefers the weather that everybody else calls miserable
[15:40] <hamitron> I've got a lot done today
[15:40] <hamitron> so kinda pleased :)
[15:40] <hamitron> a little windy to burn some of the waste though
[16:53] <ali1234> can anyone recommend an audio player that supports multimedia keys and repeating a single track on a loop, and doesn't include an audio file database?
[16:54] <Azelphur> ali1234: audacious maybe?
[16:54] <ali1234> maybe?
[16:54] <Azelphur> it has playlist support but I don't think there's a database
[16:54] <Azelphur> and it has multimedia key support
[16:54] <ali1234> well that's 2 out of 3
[16:55] <Azelphur> everything has loop support
[16:55] <Azelphur> xD
[16:55] <ali1234> no
[16:55] <ali1234> totem doesn't
[16:55] <ali1234> potamus doesn't
[16:55] <ali1234> gxmms2 doesn't
[16:55] <ali1234> i could go on...
[16:55] <Azelphur> well that's because totem sucks, and I've never even heard of potamus lol
[16:56] <ali1234> audacious does not support multimedia keys
[16:56] <Azelphur> ali1234: it does, you need to enable the plugin for it
[16:56] <Azelphur> it ships with the plugin but it's disabled by default
[16:57] <ali1234> got it, thanks
[16:57] <Azelphur> :D
[16:57] <ali1234> repeat single works too, nice
[16:58] <Azelphur> ali1234: did you ever get anywhere fixing up lg4l?
[16:58] <ali1234> oh nice, audacious just crashed
[16:58] <ali1234> no, i've been kind of busy
[16:58] <Azelphur> lol
[16:58] <Azelphur> I'll probably take a crack at getting it going in it's current state, I want the macro keys :3
[16:59] <ali1234> those other guys made some patches
[16:59] <Azelphur> oh awesome, got the ball rolling then :)
[17:00] <Azelphur> besides actually installing it, I should be able to get macro keys going now
[18:37]  * SuprEngr has just finished having a 'look-see' at Fedora15/Gnome3, can see the attraction, applauds the devs for it but: "my friend Ubuntu" stays!
[20:55] <Laney> Dear #ubuntu-uk, I have heard you should pre-cook dried lasagne sheets. Is this information accurate? Regards, Iain
[20:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Laney: It depends on 2 things mainly.
[20:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> 1. If it says you should pre-cook on the packet
[20:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2. If your sauces are quite dry.
[20:56] <Laney> it says it is not necessary but you can if you want
[20:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> IME I make the sauces quite "wet" and then the sheets will cook just fine from sry.
[20:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/sry/dry
[20:56] <Laney> and I wouldn't say they are massively dry
[20:56] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer
[20:57] <Laney> would like to avoid cross-layer leakage though
[20:57] <Laney> think I will leave dry then, thanks for the tip
[20:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you do pre-cook  them they are difficult to handle and stick together
[20:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi AlanBell
[20:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> How was your break?
[20:57] <AlanBell> great weather
[20:58] <brobostigon> 0 */3 * * * root /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl -config=ptaylor.vps.bitfolk.com -update
[20:58] <AlanBell> hot and windy
[20:58] <AlanBell> slightly too windy to fly a kite even, I broke a string it was that strong
[20:58] <brobostigon> ok, does that entry in crontab, say, it will run at 3am?
[20:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have just driven 500miles this weekend. We went to see some friends near Wetherby - just got back about an hour ago.
[20:58] <Laney> every 3 hours
[20:58] <brobostigon> Laney: i wasnt far off, thank you.
[20:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Glad you had good weather AlanBell - I am going to have a beer and chill in front of the telly. Will talk tomorrow morning.
[21:05] <daubers> AlanBell: Bees! http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattdaubney/5796247497/in/photostream
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> daubers: BEEEEES
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> uh oh.. a Lugradio Reunion one-off
[21:17] <AlanBell> oooooh daubers that looks fun
[21:18] <AlanBell> queen is halfway up, right of centre
[21:18] <daubers> The one with the spot on her back :)
[21:18] <AlanBell> yup
[21:18] <daubers> Was masses of fun. Joining the local beekeeping association now
[21:23] <shauno> MartijnVdS where?!
[21:23] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Jono's twitter
[21:24] <dutchie> http://twitter.com/#!/jonobacon/status/77454058503421953
[21:24]  * shauno blows the dust off his passport
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> shauno: lugradio, not lr live
[21:25] <MartijnVdS> (that's how I read it, at least)
[21:25] <shauno> gah
[21:26] <Laney> bet it's different in character now
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> Laney: the entire interweb has changed a bit, yes :)
[21:27] <MartijnVdS> Laney: and the people
[21:27] <webpigeon> dutchie++
[21:27] <dutchie> yay
[21:27] <dutchie> (what did i do?)
[21:28] <webpigeon> dutchie: post a link to the best news of the year?
[21:28] <dutchie> ah, cool :)
[21:28] <webpigeon> :)
[21:39] <popey> Laney: i never pre-cook mine
[21:39] <Laney> i hadn't heard of such
[21:39] <Laney> but then some chef said to do it on the internet
[21:39] <popey> i just make sure they're in long enough to be al-dente
[21:39] <popey> -typo
[21:40] <popey> yeah, i have heard people do it, but i dont
[21:40] <Laney> do you break bits off to cover up the gaps?
[21:40] <Laney> is that me being ocd?
[21:40] <popey> yes
[21:40] <popey> yes
[21:40] <Laney> (
[21:40] <popey> i have round cornered dishes
[21:40] <popey> you wont get me with that
[21:40] <Laney> same
[21:40] <popey> so i nip off the corners
[21:40] <popey> but i dont worry about cross-level leakage
[21:40] <popey> its going to cross when I put it on my gaping maw anyway
[21:42] <dutchie> )
[21:42] <frank_> hi
[21:42] <popey> hello
[21:43] <frank_> does anyone know a good solution how to backup a raid5 volume to several external hds ... and keep these hds up to date on a say weekly basis?
[21:43] <frank_> problem is the data volume wont fit on a single hard disk
[21:43] <popey> how big is the raid volume?
[21:43] <frank_> 4 tb
[21:44] <frank_> i dont change that many files on the raid ... so a kind of rsync option to several external hds would be nice ... and only syncing/copying the deltas ...
[21:45] <frank_> I use rsnapshot for backup purposes .. but i dont know how to span that over several volumes ...
[21:46] <dutchie> rsnapshot does hardlinking, is that not enough?
[21:46] <dutchie> so that is nearly the deltas
[21:46] <shauno> hardlinking doesn't work well across volumes like that
[21:47] <dutchie> no, good point
[21:47] <frank_> dutchie: rsnapshot is fine ... for making a backup that fits on a single external hd ... but how should i handle a backup of 4tb, that needs at least another 2 hds to be backed up?
[21:47] <dutchie> raid them together too?
[21:47] <dutchie> or something
[21:47] <frank_> dutchie: but then i need them online and connected all the time
[21:47] <shauno> was about to say that.  sticking the backup disks on another raid controller seems like the sanest way out
[21:48] <frank_> shauno: that would mean I have effectively twice the size running and online all the time ...
[21:48] <frank_> this is what i try to avoid ...
[21:48] <frank_> or is there a way to set an archive bit on an ext4 FS?
[21:48] <shauno> it doesn't have to be online 24x7.  something like those £200 hp microservers that were floating around would work too
[21:49] <frank_> That way I could filter through the files and only backup changed/new files
[21:49] <shauno> bring it up before you go home each friday, rsync & shutdown
[21:50] <frank_> shauno : so 4 drives can be connected ...
[21:51] <frank_> shauno: do you know any other solution? e.g. is it possible to span a differential backup over several HDs? I would like to avoid buying additional servers (even inexpensive ones) as I would need to maintain them.
[21:51] <shauno> that's how I would do it.  not saying it's the best way.  but that way I could script the entire task, instead of having someone swapping disks like they're tapes.  you need a 4tb backup volume.  make a 4tb backup volume
[21:51] <frank_> easiest would be to have an external esata drive and rsync the deltas on there
[21:52] <frank_> shauno: is there a backup solution where i could make an incremental backup and treat HDs like tapes?
[21:53] <shauno> I'd assume so, but I don't know any offhand :/
[21:53] <frank_> shauno: thanks anyway. appreciate the food for thought ... will consider such a microserver .. i like the backups where I dont need to think ...
[21:54] <shauno> people do it with tapes, with CDs, even with floppies .. so there has to be a way to span volumes
[21:56] <frank_> shauno: thats what I thought too. but did not find very useful results while googling ... My idea was: a raid 5 can sustain a single failure, the most important files are rsynced on other machines, so no prob. but the huge Windows image files lying on the raid are only lying on the raid currently and this is what I would like to change ... and therefore, I came up with using external HDs ... but I dont want a folder structure on my raid
[21:56] <frank_>  that corresponds with my external HDs ... that would be confusing for the users ...
[21:58] <frank_> thanks for the help ... will have a good nights sleep thinking about possible solutions ...
[21:58] <frank_> cya
[23:39] <DeathSling> Anyone here familiar with libvirt?
[23:48] <luke__> u
[23:48] <ali1234> no u
[23:52] <hamitron> :)