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jgouldwow... that was a random thunderstorm...00:46
* Unit193 didn't get one...00:47
jgouldoh... we did00:47
jgouldAlso, Ubuntu just pissed me off on the laptop00:48
Unit193...better than pissed on me...00:49
skellatSo what did it do or not do?00:49
skellatWell, ping timeouts are not cool I guess...00:57
Unit193That was his server...00:58
Unit193That means router cutout00:58
skellatWell, nasty weather was on the move earlier00:59
* skellat burps01:06
* skrappjaw is ready for more bad weather.01:10
skrappjawJust not when I have to tote my equipment out for a gig.01:11
skellatskrappjaw: What sort of gig?01:14
skrappjawi play bass and sing.01:18
skrappjawwith a band. We have drums, bass, 2 guitars, horns and an organ player.01:19
skrappjawwe share vocal duties among us so no one person gets worn out.01:19
skellatCool01:29
dmcglone1wazzup ppl ;-)01:30
dmcglone1wake up its the troll :-)01:30
skrappjawjammin some tom waits01:32
skellatI'm awake...most others are enjoying the weather...01:32
dmcglone1we just had a pretty bad storm01:32
skrappjawwhere are you dmcglonel01:33
skrappjaw?01:33
dmcglone1it blew over pretty quick though.01:33
dmcglone1Columbus skrappjaw01:33
dmcglone1Ordered a pizza while it was storming and the guy was like, we'll be there as soon as we can thats how bad it was01:34
dmcglone1wish it would hurry  and get here, I'm so dang hungary01:35
skrappjawic01:37
skrappjawya. just checked the radar. we are in for it tonight. there is a storm that is building from indianapolis to toledo. I'm in mansfield. Just north of you.01:38
skrappjawGood thing mom is cooking dinner @ home tonight01:39
dmcglone1I would have cooked but I'm still down with my back01:42
dmcglone1I asked my wife what was for dinner when I got home and she said, whatever you can find, so I found the phone number for the pizza place :-)01:43
skellatI wrote in teh gopherspace: http://ur1.ca/4cls502:00
canthus13gopher?02:01
skellatYep02:01
canthus13Heh. I remember when gopher was and the web wasn't.02:01
skellatSo do I...I was in junior high at the time02:02
* canthus13 was in college.02:02
skellatFor a lightweight protocol, Gopher does plenty02:03
canthus13Yup. I wasted hours and hours exploring gopher...02:03
canthus13Bah. I wish I could find documentation on cairo compositor's plugins...02:04
* dmcglone1 was just getting accustom to walking with a walker ;-)02:04
canthus13dmcglone1: Eh? I thought you were older than me... :/02:05
canthus13man page is useless...02:06
dmcglone1I don't think I am, I needed the walker after my wife broke my legs for sitting on the computer all the time and not cutting the grass...02:06
* dmcglone1 is 39, will be 40 in October02:06
canthus13Thought so.02:06
canthus13About 3 years older.02:07
dmcglone1Ah shux, I thought I was the youngest one here ;-/02:07
Unit193canthus13: I thought you were older...02:08
dmcglone1Oh lord, I ju02:08
dmcglone1grrrr02:08
dmcglone1I just found out, I've got about 6 people on their way to visit :-/02:08
canthus13Unit193: Heh.02:09
canthus13dmcglone1: Answer the door naked. they'll leave.02:09
dmcglone1lol canthus02:09
canthus13IRC: The last bastion of sound advice...02:09
Unit193dmcglone1: It would work...02:09
canthus13Unit193: How old did you think I am?02:09
* canthus13 likes to think that he doesn't act his age...02:09
dmcglone1Looks like I'm gonna be DJ'ing tonight02:09
Unit193canthus13: In the 40's (Maybe very early 50's)02:10
Unit193...you asked...02:10
dmcglone1well canthus13 think about it, look where we are, so neither of us do ;-)02:10
canthus13Geez.02:10
canthus13dmcglone1: True....02:10
* Unit193 is also bad at guessing age...02:11
* canthus13 still has a good 3 years 'til the 11th anniversary of his 29th birthday.02:11
dmcglone1canthus13: we really need to grow up... LOL02:11
canthus13dmcglone1: I refuse.02:11
dmcglone1me too :-)02:11
dmcglone1I guess we are going through our midlife crisis a tad bit early... ;-)02:12
* canthus13 needs to find freakin' documentation for cairo plugins.. 20 freaking plugins, no docs. :/02:12
canthus13skellat: what do *YOU* know about cairo-compmgr plugins?02:13
skellatBupkis02:13
skellatNada02:13
skellatNothing02:13
canthus13nuts.  I'll still blame you for the lack of documentation. :(02:14
skellatThat's okay.02:14
dmcglone1Okie dokie guys, I gotta go for a while, they want to karaoke and I have to hook my computer up to the tv :-/02:15
dmcglone1I guess I'll hang out and pester everyone some other time.. LOL02:16
canthus13Cheri703: Got pics from sully at Fort Polk... and eating a crawfish dinner. :)03:24
Cheri703ha, nice03:25
Unit193canthus13: Is the newist Dr Who TBC?03:25
Unit193I would guess it's good...03:27
canthus13Unit193: Haven't watched it yet.... Wife's doing homework and she'd kill me if I watch it without her.03:36
Cheri703canthus13: you're a smart man...04:02
Cheri703at least sometimes ;)04:02
canthus13Cheri703: thpthpthpthp.04:02
Cheri703happy wife happy life and all04:02
canthus13Heh.04:02
Cheri703my husband........has not entirely grasped this concept04:02
canthus13Reminds me... I need to copy it to the media server.04:03
* Cheri703 has read 3 books in 2 days...again04:03
Cheri703except these were on the nook \o/04:03
Cheri703I contemplated starting another, but am catching up on some online-ish things atm. I am still procrastinating that video project though :/04:04
canthus13Heh.04:04
Cheri703I'm over it. I just don't want to deal with it anymore04:05
Cheri703oh, here's a question that may save me some effort in actually *looking*04:05
Cheri703do pretty much all modern dvd players play any type of burnable dvd? or are they still -r +r specific?04:05
canthus13It's pretty much hit or miss iirc.04:07
Cheri703:/04:07
Cheri703client wants these videos put on dvd so they can watch them, currently they're using their ps2 as a dvd player (non-slim), and I know *my* ps2 won't recognize burned disks at all04:07
Cheri703and they said they may be buying a dvd player at some point in the future, so...it's pretty futile to put these on dvd, eh?04:08
canthus13...Prolly.04:08
canthus13DVD players are dirt cheap, though.04:08
Cheri703-_-04:10
Cheri703this lady is NOT technologically inclined...at all04:10
canthus13Ah. Might wanna make her a flip-book, then.04:10
Cheri703I want to just give her the files and be done with it, but...bah04:10
paultaghey Cheri70304:41
paultagCheri703: I've been saving up and I think I'm doing the nook thing. Have you got yours?04:41
paultagalso heyya canthus13 :)04:42
Unit193...04:42
paultagUnit193! :)04:42
Unit193paultag: ;)04:42
Cheri703yep04:45
Cheri703sorry, was in the other room04:45
Cheri703it's pretty sweet04:45
Cheri703jesusfreke in #nookdevs has it booting from some other something already, he took his apart last night :)04:45
Cheri703it's not *rooted* but it's progress04:45
Cheri703paultag: ^^04:45
Cheri703I've read 3 books in under 20 hours, and that's including about 8 hours of sleep :)04:46
Cheri703probably going to start another tonight...04:47
paultagCheri703: np :)04:47
paultagCheri703: nice!! :)04:47
paultaglet me pop over04:47
Cheri703he updated the nookdevs site with processor info about it04:48
paultagCheri703: :)04:48
paultagCheri703: I'll see if he says anything to that04:48
Cheri703I'm really enjoying it04:48
paultagCheri703: any downers about it (besides the lack of 3G)04:49
skellatCheri703: Overall good time with the device so far?04:49
paultagheyya skellat04:49
Cheri703uhm, has the crappy nook file navigation/sorting, though this one lets you browse by file, but other than that, nothing I've seen so far04:49
Cheri703it is nice having multiple ways of changing pages04:49
Cheri703tap, swipe, or hw buttons04:49
paultagmm?04:49
paultagah, nice04:49
Cheri703o/ skellat04:50
Cheri703yeah, I am really liking it04:50
paultagCheri703: I really want to be able to get it digesting RSS04:50
paultagif I can do that then I'm golden04:50
Cheri703I think it probably can, probably a function of calibre (which, btw, there's a nice newer version that recognizes the new nook)04:50
Cheri703you could join #calibre and/or look on their site if you have questions about getting that working with feeds04:51
skellatpaultag: Use rawdog to glom the output of your feeds then convert the resultant HTML to whatever format you want04:51
skellatSee, for example, http://erielookingproductions.info/Feeds.html04:51
paultagskellat: actually other way around04:51
paultagskellat: I have tons of raw data, I'm putting it into one RSS feed, then I want to digest that on a tablet04:51
skellatHmm.04:52
paultagskellat: so I'm jacking data from all kinds of sources and digesting it into a format I want on a tablet like the nook :)04:52
skellatYahoo! Pipes in the mix at all?04:52
paultagsuch as git repos, server jobs etc :)04:52
paultagskellat: nosir. Mostly home-brew04:52
skellatI'd still use rawdog to transmogrify the RSS into HTML which would be an intermediate step to converting to EPUB04:53
paultagmmhum04:53
skellatThat's how Amazon's Digital Text Platform basically works as they want indy publishers to upload in HTML for them to transmogrify for Kindle usage04:53
paultagbarf04:53
paultagthat should be a local app04:54
* skellat recognizes he is listed in the Kindle store in a few places04:54
paultagsweet :)04:54
Cheri703I just have the wifi turned off, because I am only loading stuff from the computer. also paultag, when you get it, go on the b&n site to delete the crappy sample books and such from your "account" and then refresh it04:54
skellatpaultag: It definitely should be a local app.  Considering the mix of what Amazon provides, especially with EC2, that's really not a high priority for them.04:54
paultagCheri703: oh?04:54
paultagskellat: aye04:54
Cheri703yeah, you have your "account" on the site, where you can manage books you've purchased from them, it comes preloaded with "samples" and you can't delete them locally04:55
paultagCheri703: how's it sync with Ubuntu?04:55
paultagCheri703: Ah, sweet. I see, cool04:55
Cheri703fine, shows up as flash storage04:55
paultagso it's managed via browser, cool04:55
paultagCheri703: hummmm04:55
Cheri703books straight from b&n are04:55
skellatI'm curious if Banshee could plop a/v files on the Nook04:55
Cheri703the newer calibre recognizes it at connection04:55
Cheri703the new nook has no a/v capability04:56
skellatCrap04:56
paultagCheri703: ah, what a bummer04:56
* skellat puts on the private-practice evil librarian-type hat04:56
Cheri703not even audio, which the old one apparently had04:56
paultagCheri703: crud. Now I'm wondering if a color is a better buy04:56
Cheri703I'm sure you could store the files on there, but you can't play them04:56
paultag3G is pretty critical04:56
paultagbut I don't like the idea of a backlight04:56
Cheri703color has no 3g either afaik04:56
paultagach, really?04:57
skellatWay too many blue sky thinkers in the publishing biz have claimed that a/v content in ebooks was essential.  I'm shocked that Barnes & Noble produced effectively a tablet computer without a/v capability instead of a futuristic e-reader04:57
Cheri703yup04:57
Cheri703kindle and old nook have 3g04:57
Cheri703but kindle has no epub04:57
Cheri703which was a must for me04:57
skellatUntil June 30th, 3G remains useless here in Ashtabula County04:58
Cheri703skellat: this thing is pretty straightforward E READER, nothing else04:58
Cheri703which is fine by me04:58
skellatCheri703: How much did it cost?04:58
Cheri703$140+tax04:58
skellatYikes04:59
paultaghumm.04:59
canthus13paultag: Oh Hi.04:59
paultagskellat: that's not too bad for a full android platform04:59
paultagheyya canthus1304:59
skellatpaultag: But as Cheri703 noted, it is an ereader only04:59
Cheri703well, it runs android 2.104:59
Cheri703just e-ink screen and no audio support05:00
paultagskellat: until you hack it05:00
Cheri703so you could actually run android apps, just have to be aware of e-ink limitations05:00
paultagCheri703: that's not a problem if I write the app for it05:00
Cheri703:)05:00
skellatpaultag: For that cost I could pick up ten hardbacks for the collection here05:00
paultagskellat: yeah, but I need a book that can stay updated with info on all my F/OSS projects05:01
Cheri703I'm a pretty fast reader, so libraries are a HUGE hassle for me...I'm in there every few days returning/restocking, so I don't read...I ENJOY reading, but it's a big hassle. so this thing is going to be awesome for me :) and as soon as I can get them formatted in a happier way, I will be able to study cert manuals and such (the pdf conversion didn't go as smoothly as hoped)05:01
paultagCheri703: can it not do PDFs OTB?05:02
Cheri703so, while one *could* purchase many physical books for the same price, *for me* this is a WAY better option05:02
Cheri703yeah, but displaying them and stuff...I'm still toying with straight pdf vs converted to epub05:02
skellatCheri703: I know.05:02
Cheri703it depends on the file05:02
Cheri703some show up better than others05:02
Unit193A bluescreen on shutdown... Nice!05:03
paultagCheri703: any rhyme or reason?\05:03
Cheri703just based on original format of the pdf05:04
skellatUnit193: What bluescreened?05:04
Cheri703it depends on how the creator did things paultag05:04
paultaghumm05:04
skellatCheri703 & paultag: Not all PDFs are the same.  Having them tagged makes reflowing better.  LibreOffice allows that easily on export to PDF.05:04
Cheri703yeah05:04
Unit193skellat: Some crappy OS :P05:05
Cheri703but if you're....acquiring a pdf of a book, then sometimes they are unfriendly05:05
paultagCheri703: I wonder if I can find an android tablet05:05
skellatUnit193: At least it isn't the Yellow Screen of Death we get from Time Warner Cable when a channel feed suddenly drops out05:05
paultagunder 300 bucks05:05
Cheri703nook color05:06
paultagCheri703: IIRC that hardware is a abit old05:06
Cheri703I just didn't want backlight :)05:06
Cheri703I dunno05:06
Cheri703but it's cheap05:06
paultagtrue, I don't like backlight05:06
paultagCheri703: aye05:06
paultagugh, what a decision05:06
paultagI wonder if it has the same SD setup as the original05:07
Cheri703paultag: if you are willing to wait til they get a STABLE root/alternate rom, then I will test whatever you come up with, as long as you promise that if it gets screwed up, you'll replace it and you can have this one :)05:07
Cheri703what do you mean?05:07
paultagCheri703: the old nooks had a SD card on the board it's self as well as the external one05:08
Cheri703no, when the guy opened it up, it's a 2gb flash chip right on the board05:08
paultagCheri703: awesome!! What format?05:09
Cheri703http://nookdevs.com/Nook_Simple_Touch05:09
Cheri703that's as much as he said last night (basically)05:09
paultagCheri703: ah bummer it's melted in05:10
Cheri703yeah, sorry, that was what I meant05:10
paultaghumm05:10
paultagI wonder if he has a photo05:10
Cheri703ask him, he replied in #nookdevs, that's the guy :)05:10
paultagif it's a sane format a breakout board will be easy to wire up05:10
paultagCheri703: ty :)05:10
Cheri703yup :)05:11
skellatI'm shuffling off to bed.  Goodnight y'all.  To get any audio in to the podcast, I need it before 6 PM or so Sunday.  All you have to do is call 702-714-0397 and Google Voice handles the rest.  The machine-generated transcripts are usually hilarious by themselves.  ReLoCo updates are especially sought as to what's going on across the state...05:17
paultagnight skrappjaw05:18
paultagalright, I'm off too05:28
paultag'night all05:28
Unit193Adios!05:28
dmcglone1Whew what a night :-/05:31
canthus13dmcglone1: you're awake?? Aren't you up waaaaaaaay past your bedtime?05:32
dmcglone1LOL canthus13 everyone just left my house05:33
Unit193canthus13: I thought it was 11 too...05:33
Unit193dmcglone1: Did you moon them?05:33
canthus13dmcglone1: I thought you turned into a pumpkin or passed out where you stood or something.05:33
dmcglone1I usually get in bed and watch tv till about 1 or 2 am05:33
dmcglone1LOL05:33
dmcglone1I usually come in here a while before I hit the hay, and even though tonight is a later night, I don't break my routine.. LOL05:34
dmcglone1everyone came over unexpectedly05:35
Unit193Where is jgould anyway? He's part of the late night crew...05:35
dmcglone1while they were singing karaoke, I thought about sneaking in the computer room and hanging out, but I didn't want to be rude :-/05:36
* Unit193 would have do it...05:36
dmcglone1well I'm wide awake thats for sure05:37
dmcglone1It's more exciting hanging in here talking to myself than listening them howl on a microphone... LOL05:38
dmcglone1Anybody ever heard of the band DC Talk?05:39
Unit193Use cotton05:39
Unit193dmcglone1: Yeah05:39
dmcglone1Rick May of DC talk is my cousin05:40
dmcglone1thats why there's so much freakin music around here all the time05:41
dmcglone1No freakin wonder I'm deaf ;-)05:41
dmcglone1gonna get me so cereal. I eat breakfast before I go to bed so I don't have to do it in the morning.05:52
Unit193But then you don't get to eat in the morning...05:52
dmcglone1I hate eating in the morning05:54
dmcglone1too tired, too lazy and it makes me sick05:54
Unit193But there is no food...05:55
dmcglone1I don't know why, but i've always ate cereal before bed05:55
dmcglone1I guess you could say it's my midnight snack05:55
Unit193I eat at night too, but I also eat in the morning...05:56
dmcglone1I have never in as long as I can remember eating in the morning05:56
canthus13Wow... I'm listening to the entire Nirvana Nevermind album for the first time in probably 15 years.05:59
dmcglone1cool, I haven't heard them in ages either06:00
dmcglone1canthus13: like slipknot?06:01
dmcglone1Dang that got me thinking of all that old school music06:03
dmcglone1Suicidal Tendencies "you can't bring me down"06:03
canthus13dmcglone1: slipknot? nah.. ST rocked, tough. :)06:04
dmcglone1yeah ST. remember "SOD" stormtroopers of death? or "MOD" Method of destruc‭tion?06:05
canthus13MOD yes. SOD no.06:06
dmcglone1bad ass bands!06:06
dmcglone1RUN DMC?06:07
dmcglone1Damn man how I miss High School now06:08
canthus13Heh.06:15
* canthus13 is off to bed... weird to be hitting the sack before dmcglone.06:15
Unit193Heh06:16
Unit193He's on after 1am!!06:16
canthus13Unit193: I don't think it's really him.06:16
canthus13Anway... 'nite.06:16
Unit193canthus13: You may be on to something!06:17
Unit193Have a good one!06:17
canthus13I will. No kids. :)06:17
dmcglone1LOL06:17
Unit193Why the heck they don't have plowshare in the repos (Even GetDeb) I will never know...06:18
dmcglone1who knows when I'll decide to hit the hay tonight, but I'm sensing it'll be soon.06:18
dmcglone1what is plowshare?06:18
Unit193Cheri703 is gone, jgould is MIA and canthus13 is down for the night06:19
Cheri703hmm?06:19
Unit193http://code.google.com/p/plowshare/06:19
Unit193Cheri703 isn't gone...06:19
* Cheri703 is reading06:19
Cheri703y'know, books n stuff06:19
Cheri703\o/ for nook!06:20
Unit193She has DND on...06:20
Unit193How much llike a book is it?06:20
Cheri703dnd?06:20
Cheri703reading quality: very much, convenience? way better06:20
Unit193Do Not Disturb06:21
dmcglone1I hardly ever read because when I do, I can't set it down and it takes my whole day and night06:21
Cheri703dmcglone1: I've started on book 4 since yesterday around 10pm...06:21
Cheri703Unit193: I have no knowledge of having that on..maybe because I was idle?06:21
dmcglone1it's hard to set em down once you get going isn't it06:21
Cheri703yup06:22
Unit193Cheri703: I was just saying that you did, nothing was telling me that06:22
dmcglone1John Grisham is my favorite author06:22
Cheri703ah06:22
Unit193dmcglone1: Did you have a look?06:23
Cheri703ping me if you need me :)06:23
dmcglone1the file sharing with from the command line?06:27
dmcglone1yeah06:27
dmcglone1with all the recent lawsuits and stuff, I'm afraid to use file sharing06:27
Unit193It downloads from things like megaupload, rapidshare, 4shared, mediafire (That doesn't have to be illegal)06:29
dmcglone1Limewire did the same thing and they just recently got shut down06:30
Unit193Those are hosting sites, LimeWire was a P2P client...06:33
dmcglone1Ah yes, very true06:34
Unit193...and it didn't run on linux (FrostWire does)06:36
Unit193:D06:37
dmcglone1I used Limewire on linux exclusivly06:38
dmcglone1It was in the repos actually06:38
dmcglone1Ok I've got to lay down. Back is aching06:40
dmcglone1So I'm out for the night06:41
dmcglone1G'night all06:41
Unit193I didn' think it was... Ah well!06:45
dmcglonehttp://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/06/03/sony.pictures.hacked.mashable/index.html13:02
paultagCheri703: I got a Nook STR17:20
Cheri703\o/17:21
paultagCheri703: if you want to make friends, I'm my IRC name @gmail17:21
Cheri703what do you think of it?17:21
Cheri703ok, I'm the same :)17:21
Cheri703I don't have the social stuff turned on at the moment, but next time I turn on wifi I will :)17:21
Cheri703get the newest version of calibre, from the site17:21
Cheri703use the binary thinger17:22
paultagCheri703: it's pretty cool17:36
paultagCheri703: I dig17:36
canthus13Unit193: Bah. If I'm gonna spin my own openbox/Ubuntu ISO, I've gotta go back and figure out what I installed manually. :(17:50
Cheri703finished my book, now have to clean living room...real live client coming over later!17:55
Unit193canthus13: Sweet! That's the hard part (I would still have the tars in random spots)17:57
* canthus13 really needs to set up a test system to do this. :/17:59
Unit193canthus13: I would really try that remix (If not on hardware, a VM)18:03
canthus13:D18:06
Unit193canthus13: How much RAM is it using on startup?18:31
canthus13~6% of 4GB.18:32
paultagCheri703: what's the name of the local app for the nook? I want to purge out those default books :)19:12
Cheri703oh, you have to do that from the website: nook.com and log in using the stuff you put in when you registered19:12
paultagCheri703: thanks :019:12
paultagsorry, :) *19:12
Cheri703and calibre is the computer app to load stuff19:12
Cheri703but the version in the repos is older19:13
Cheri703so get it from their site, and it will recognize it19:13
paultagCheri703: thanks :)19:13
Cheri703yep19:13
paultagCheri703: I'll file a bug with Debian letting them know it's out of date and try and sync it19:14
Cheri703well, I'm on 10.1019:14
paultagCheri703: yeah, but we pull from Debian19:14
Cheri703kk19:14
Cheri703the newest version does run on 10.10 fine, just...not in the repo :/19:14
* Unit193 adds getdeb because Ubuntu updates too slow19:15
paultagbooo19:15
paultagunsupported third partyyy19:15
Unit193boooo! Programs last updated 3 years ago or not in the repo at all!19:15
paultagCheri703: what's your version?19:16
paultagUnit193: then file a bug and someone will include it19:16
paultagUnit193: or update it19:16
paultagUnit193: it's really really not that hard19:16
Unit193paultag: Packaging isn't easy...19:16
paultagCheri703: I see 0.8.2+dfsg-119:16
paultagUnit193: it is, I do it.19:16
Cheri703the version I got from the site is 0.8.4, version in the repo is 0.7.1819:17
paultagCheri703: 11.04 will have the new copy already :)19:17
Cheri703on 10.1019:17
Cheri703yeah, probably19:17
paultagCheri703: you can dget the deb if you'd like19:17
Cheri703there were dependency things19:17
paultagi'm doing that :)19:17
Cheri703I tried that19:17
Cheri703a bunch of python dependencies19:17
paultagCheri703: I'll backport it to my PPA19:17
Cheri703and some of them said they'd break things if I updated them19:18
paultaghehe19:18
Cheri703I tried using a different ppa and it didn't even show up in synaptic or anything, it was supposed to be 0.8.219:18
Cheri703for maveric19:18
Cheri703k19:18
paultagCheri703: I'm backporting to natty. I'll see about maverick while I'm at it19:18
Cheri703this was where I tried to get it: https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/calibre/+packages19:19
Cheri703I just did the binary install from the calibre site and it works fine19:19
paultagyeah I guess build-deps are iffy19:22
Cheri703yeah :/19:22
paultagCheri703: it's not showing my bousers manual on it19:30
paultagsed s/bo//g19:30
Cheri703your what user manual?19:30
paultagCheri703: the one that comes on there19:30
paultagCheri703: I don't want it :)19:30
Cheri703I got bo {symbol box} {symbol box} users manual19:30
Cheri703oh, yeah, I don't know how to get rid of those :/19:30
paultagdang19:31
paultag'bout to load up some PDFs and test19:39
jgouldSo,  i'm bored and am thinking about trying Debian...22:58
skellatWhy?23:00
jgouldbecause I'm bored23:01
canthus13jgould: that'll likely give you more headaches than ubuntu as far as sane defaults go.23:06
jgouldIt won't boot on the Mini without some tweaking...23:07
canthus13If you're looking for something to fight with, it should suit your purposes. :)23:22
skrappjawDebian is different23:22
skrappjawi should say it is different in a sense if you started with ubuntu. Kindof a pain in the butt at first for me.23:24
skrappjawNautilus doesnt like to run as root for me on debian6.23:25
skrappjawI guess as I get better hardware and more experience i'll be ok with it.23:26
canthus13Watch out... 'root' is a dirty word around ubuntu folks.23:27
* skrappjaw isnt politically correct.23:28
skrappjaw:P23:28
skrappjawbeen thinking about enabling root usr in my ubuntu23:28
* jgould looks into a custom ROM or rooting his new phone already...23:32
canthus13jgould: geek.23:33
canthus13jgould: yer a bit slow, though... I'd have rooted it in the first 10 minutes. :)23:34
jgouldI have to figure out how to root this phone, and I want a copy of the stock ROM before I load a custom...23:38
canthus13jgould: If I'm going to screw with stuff like that, I get the protection plan.  If I screw it up, I step on it and return it. :)23:43
jgouldI should be able to load a diffrent ROM if I fucking want.  (or load the Amazon App Store) if I want it (AT&T blocks the install of it...)23:44
jgouldDon't the phone vendors have to release the ROM's under the GPL?23:49
canthus13Don't think so.23:52
canthus13The ROMs aren't GPL.. Just the Android code.23:52
canthus13and the Android code is publicly available.23:53
jgouldSo how the hell do people get the Roms that they install (or the stock roms from thier devices?)23:54

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