[13:30] ScottL: *Totally* got pulled into family stuff. I wont be free for another hour. Sorry. If you like, can you get a list of our depends, as well as Xubuntu's so we can compare 'em? Maybe have 'em both ready in a pastebin? [13:31] i can, but i only know to get them from the seeds files, is that the best place? [13:31] Also, have ready a cmd that *should* allow me to upload to our main BZR branch for -settings. [13:32] scott-upstairs: Damn. There's a cmd to list depends. One of the guys know or its online. I forget now but I gotta run. [13:32] 1hr [13:33] persia, do you know of a command that can show the depends for ubuntu studio and also for xubuntu? [13:35] i know about rdepends [13:41] scott-upstairs: Do you mean apt-cache rdepends, or apt-rdepends? The latter gives a much more verbose result. [13:42] Or I should say, a recursive result. [13:42] astraljava, i was speaking of apt-rdepends [13:43] scott-upstairs: Okay, just making sure. [13:43] although i'm thinking we really don't need recursive dependencies [13:43] since we are only dorking with the seeds [13:43] Outside of that, I don't know how to get a list of dependencies. [13:43] apt-cache should [13:43] Yeah okay, if no recursive is needed, then apt-cache rdepends should be enough. [13:45] i wish i was better with grep [13:45] i also wish i was independently wealthy as well ;) [13:45] There are maybe like 3 people in the world who doesn't. :D [13:47] only 3 people who wish they weren't better with grep? really [13:47] hehe, kidding [13:52] :D [13:52] Probably the inventor of perl is one of them. [14:12] argh, my laptop downstairs is really pissing me off, maybe i go ahead and switch it to xubuntu today [14:13] list of ubuntustudio-desktop depends and recommends: http://paste.ubuntu.com/619111/ [14:13] list of xubuntu-desktop depends and recommends: http://paste.ubuntu.com/619113/ [14:17] running to the store be back in 30 minutes, it's 8:17am CST right now [14:18] scott-upstairs: Holy crap it's early. Don't you wanna sleep in still? ;) [14:24] * ckontros is back (looks @ links) [14:35] scott-upstairs: Is this the xubuntu depends from their natty pkg or oneiric? [14:41] * ckontros waves @ Charlie. [14:51] ckontros: Looks like from natty, the prompt doesn't look like he's using chroot, so I trust the natty-desktop part is true. [14:51] ckontros: I'm doing a chroot oneiric to compare just now. [14:52] I gotta do up a couple of VMs myself. [14:59] back [14:59] ckontros, crap, probably from natty :/ [15:00] but on friday i looked at the xubuntu seeds from natty and oneiric but they looked the same [15:00] as if no changes had been made [15:00] scott-upstairs: that's because none have been made yet [15:01] lol, there you go, i'm not mad ;) [15:02] ckontros, didn't emmet say that the images build with recommends as well [15:02] * scott-upstairs suspects this to be true otherwise we would have a less functional image [15:03] Yeah he did. [15:04] ckontros, i'm printed both those pastebins and am highlighting the common packages now [15:04] I'm add/removing things I'm sure to the xubuntu pkg. [15:05] I'm also checking rdepends. Its AWN that I know for sure will get us if we add it now. [15:05] Well, actually its one of its recommended plugins. [15:06] what do you mean "will get us"? [15:06] ie: Adding a tom og GNOME items like Nautilus. [15:06] *ton [15:07] oh yeah, is there a way to prevent this? [15:07] or will this force us to move to a different dock? [15:07] there is a way to make it not pull in their stuff, but I can't remember it [15:07] Its part of me talking to the AWN guys. Ill have to get them to move some things to "Suggests" or "Provides". [15:07] We do it for notifications [15:08] charlie-tca: Any notes on this would help. WOuld it be part of your *-desktop pkg? [15:08] should be something there [15:09] mvo or pitti helped us with it. We use xfce4-notifyd and pull in indicator-notifications from Ubuntu [15:09] they have some dependencies we do not use, and there is a way to make it not pull them [15:10] * ckontros is now listening to: Suicidal Tendencies - "Institutionalized" [15:10] good song, old song, but still good [15:10] rocky george is a vastly underrated guitarist [15:11] \m/ [15:11] charlie-tca: So you use something else that wants to pull "indicator-notifications" and you block it? [15:11] i listened to ST through "how can i smile tomrorrow..." [15:11] i'm downloading the source for xfce4-notifyd and looking intot he control file [15:11] no, we pull indicator-notifications without it's dependendcies [15:11] Ahh... [15:13] hmmmm, not seeing anything in the xfce4-notifyd control file that mentions "indicator-notifications", much less how to avoid dependecies :| [15:13] charlie-tca: Why do you guys have Evince and Ristretto? (both picture/PDF viewers) [15:14] scott-upstairs: Look in the -desktop pkg. [15:14] ristretto is crappy for pdf [15:14] ckontros, good idea [15:15] i'm still seeing nothing [15:15] charlie-tca: Ahh... Im not diggin Ristretto generally. It loads a single file unless you flip the pref to load everything in a folder. And on big folders, its a PITA. [15:15] agreed [15:15] i suppose it could be because i don't know what to look for though :P [15:16] scott-upstairs: We'll find it. Its how I learned. ;) [15:16] I'm still going through this depends list. I think Im almost done. [15:17] Though Like I said, we'll need to push our settings pkg for this to work. [15:17] i thought there would be some groovy, unexpected line in the control files, like [15:17] Exclude: the stuff you dont' want here [15:17] but all i saw was the conflicts line [15:17] Conflicts: notification-daemon, notification-daemon-xfce [15:17] and that seems normal instead of trying to block installing dependencies [15:17] Gotcha [15:17] scott-upstairs: look for indicator-application [15:19] scott-upstairs: We'll be creating our own session file. This looks to be how the Xubuntu pkg works. Im hoping to edit that so we dont start a panel. But We'll push that change once we figure out the AWN stuff. For now, I'm copying our GNOME layout. [15:19] indicator-application is in the -dekstop seed under Recommends: [15:19] Yes, you should create your own session [15:19] scott-upstairs: They mighta made a change in the indicator-application itself. [15:19] ckontros, that sounds like a good plan, start simple and build from there [15:19] i was going there next [15:23] hmmm, indicator-applications looks normal as well :( [15:23] oh, you know we have a seed that prevents packages from being installed [15:23] xubuntu might have the same [15:24] I swore we had something like that but I couldnt remember. [15:26] eh, both have a blacklist seed but both are the same [15:27] Can we add to it? [15:27] Look over this. I'm gonna start on the -settings pkg. http://paste.ubuntu.com/619184 [15:27] i would presume so [15:28] scott-upstairs: You got that BZR upload CMD that you think should work? [15:29] for the -settings? [15:29] Si [15:29] or for -desktop [15:29] okay, hold on [15:29] bzr push lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio [15:30] this is from this page: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio [15:30] which i notice you have made changes before [15:30] Ok. Lemmie try [15:30] rev. 70 [15:32] i will look at your pastebin in a bit, kids are all over me right now and i can't focus for that long right now [15:35] Dammit!! http://paste.ubuntu.com/619197 [15:37] i don't get asked about password for id_sha hmmmmm [15:37] or have a conversation process [15:38] are you doing this in VM? have you done this before in VM? [15:38] Nope [15:38] Should have proper keys: https://launchpad.net/~coryisatm [15:39] i believe you need two files on your local machine as well though [15:39] from your key [15:40] id_dsa and id_dsa.pub, yeah. [15:40] in ~/.ssh you should have two files: id_dsa and id....oh, k [15:40] ;) [15:40] short of generating a new key, i can't offer any other suggestions [15:41] is this a really old key? maybe that's why is says it's converting [15:41] Nope. I made a new key to upload when I came back to hack. [15:41] ckontros, hey are we transitioning from gnome Accessories applications to xfce ones? like gedit -> abiword [15:42] I'm trying to keep things like that where we can. And the = to gedit is mousepad. Which I nixed. [15:43] Err.. Here, but not on your list. :P [15:43] conversion shouldn't be about a key anyway, but rather the bzr branch. Maybe branch again? [15:43] But then again, I cannot branch at all. [15:44] I tryed that as well. :( [15:44] ckontros: What's the error at your end? [15:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/619197 [15:44] For me it's: bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Couldn't resolve host 'xmlrpc.launchpad.net' [Errno -2] Name or service not known [15:45] did both of you do bzr-launchpad-id or similar and setup bzr whoami on your local machines? [15:46] * scott-upstairs is looking for actual commands [15:46] I believe I did. [15:47] bzr whoami 'Scott Lavender ' [15:47] for me, of course, and don't forget single quote [15:47] and... [15:47] Cory Kontros [15:47] bzr launchpad-login slavender [15:48] and you imported your ssh key into launchpad, too.....hmmmm, don't know what else it could be then [15:49] ckontros, i also wasn't seeing any pulse audio packages or gstreamer packages at this point (still working my way down) [15:50] Meh. My problem was just a trailing https_proxy env variable, from office setup. :-/ Wish the error message was a tad more informative [15:50] scott-upstairs: They should have the gst pkgs but not the pulse stuff. We should think about adding them as well. [15:51] ckontros, i also saw a "tumbler" package that doesn't appear to be in either seeds [15:51] Its a thumbnailer. I left it. [15:52] did you start with the xubuntu seeds, the ubuntu studio seeds, or from scratch? [15:52] I edited the xubuntu one. Removing what I knew we didnt want, adding what I was sure we did and researched others. [15:53] It might not be perfect. That why I gave it to you for another pair of eyes. [15:53] i thought you started the other direction but seeing the asterisks made me realize that you started with xubuntu ;) [15:54] We might need to add some stuff for the thumbnails actually. I had to do it on my system [15:54] oh gstreamer stuff is in Recommends: [15:55] ffmpegthumbnailer, gnome-exe-thumbnailer, gnome-raw-thumbnailer and gnome-xcf-thumbnailer I believe. [15:56] Though the last two might be best in the -graphics pkg. IDK. [15:59] scott-upstairs: Ok. Gimmie a couple. I'm gonna clear out everything here and start over with BZR. (though I've done this once already) See where this gets me. [16:01] we didn't have usb-creatior-gtk in previous seeds [16:01] and in this current list i see no gedit but i see mousepad, as mentioned before [16:01] and no pulse packages....i wonder how that will work? [16:01] doing some family stuff for a bit [16:02] I added the gedit stuff after I sent the list. [16:07] cd [16:16] ckontros, any luck with bzr? [16:16] Hmm... Im unsure. :) [16:17] oh, lol [16:17] i wish someone else would lead the meeting :P [16:18] Well hell. It worked. :) I added the file ~/.ssh/conf and things worked. [16:18] i like how mike (holstein) has taken the responsibliity for setting the time and emailing people about the meetings [16:18] https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch#Pushing your Bazaar branch to Launchpad [16:18] that's a bit off my shoulders [16:18] ckontros, oh good! [16:19] Odd thing is, its stuff I already did through the CLI. [16:19] "https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch#Pushing your Bazaar branch to Launchpad" is the url [16:20] Killer. Its there. \m/ https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio [16:20] For now, there's a xubuntu folder thats their -settings pkg. Im working there and looking at our to make sure I copy things that are needed. [16:21] I'll move the inside of the xubuntu folder in place when I want mr.poit or someone to review. [16:22] ScottL: i could chair if you'd like [16:22] i'll have to poke around for the bot commands and all that, and make sure [16:22] but, i've got a bit of time before the meeting [16:22] * holstein making eggs... [16:23] oh, crap...i forgot about the bot commands [16:23] i did want to make sure i noted action items like charlie did so it's easy to go back and find those points... [16:24] ACTION ITEM; foobar to be incorporating into the whatsitscalled package [16:25] Ok. Awesome. Now that I got this working I'll be alot more inclined to finish. :P [16:25] I hope to hear from Izo this week. [16:40] holstein, if you want to chair that would be awesome [16:40] ckontros, that's good, on both accounts [16:42] fdew02_: o/ [16:47] ScottL: meeting is in an hour and 15 right? [16:47] ScottL: I want to get some more debate on the -desktop seed before we call it a day. I can hack on the -settings pkg by myself. You need to see if you can add to that blacklist to block a AWN recommend. If we can, then I might just skip the GNOME layout and go right for the AWN one. [16:53] ScottL: alright, i feel good about chairing.. i found/remember the commands, and im reviewing the agenda [16:57] holstein, my understanding is that the meeting is one hour [16:58] ckontros, i can look into it, i'll ask cjwatson and a few others about the blacklist [16:58] Try Luke 1st. [16:58] ScottL: i was firing off a reminder email, and wanted to double-check my math ;) [17:26] ScottL: Ok. I'm gonna cut my gra... er, weeds. I'll be back in an hour or so. [17:33] lol\ [17:33] er, lol [17:33] holstein, are you going flesh out the PR thingie in the agenda? [17:34] scott-upstairs: i was thinking more just brianstorming anyways [17:34] okay, there is also an interesting email for xubuntu about marketing and using some of the fedora's ideas [17:35] holstein, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing [17:36] i'm sending steve miers an email to let him know that he's spamming and probably wants to change his email password [17:44] if you look at the wiki and it's structure for xubuntu, there is a lot to like and i hope we can start implementing similar structures/amenitities [17:45] hey guys, this link might be of interest: [17:45] http://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7142&sid=dcfa821aaa9e1849cc8555a26e031f84 [17:59] falktx, i know you're not the reason for this and this isn't directed at you [17:59] did he say anything to us? the mailing list? [18:00] yeah, i'll kindly reply to that, and offer that anyone can get involved [18:00] we all should* [18:00] *meeting in 2 [18:01] that is on the heels of our advocacy thing too [18:01] oi vey, and he's mixing kxstudio in there as well [18:01] we need more folks to help and stop bitching [18:01] i mean, lodge formal complaints* [18:01] no offense intended falktx , but i really dislike it when they start mixing stuff and then complainning when stuff breaks [18:01] anyways... [18:02] scott-upstairs: no offense taken [18:02] yeah, purge-ppa should be trouble-shooting step one, just in case [18:03] holstein: People will always bitch. It's the easiest way to contribute. ;) [18:03] ckontros: lol [18:03] * ckontros goes back to his weeds. [18:04] scott-upstairs: i started the meeting by the way... [18:04] right :) [18:04] just pop in #ubuntu-meeting and give a o/ for 'roll-call' [18:04] scott-upstairs: please note that I really listen to users, for example - https://bugs.launchpad.net/kxstudio [18:05] falktx: i find your PPA's to be quite stable as well [18:05] ckontros: Really? The meeting should have just started. [18:05] Oh shit! [18:05] Wrong channel. [18:06] yeah, /join #ubuntu-meeting [18:06] falktx, i admire your work and your product...i give you press as often as i can [18:06] scott-upstairs: thanks [18:06] i just have a hard time with people who bitch and don't even do it in a proper forum [18:07] sometimes I wish I could do better, not having internet at home sucks... [18:07] or just say, "this sucks" or "it doesn't work" without anything substantive to help improve/fix it [18:07] scott-upstairs: I totally get you, people sometimes don't really know what they're doing and just say "this is broken!" [18:11] falktx, i notice also that this isn't directed at ubuntu studio, but ubuntu proper, which is the proper place for this complaint to be leveled [18:15] ckontros: you around? [18:15] i want to hand the floor over to you for the XFCE stuff [18:15] i can skip it and come back to you if you want [18:15] just ping me when you are around... [18:16] That's why I was worried when he said he's going back to his weeds... [18:38] meeting is happening in #ubuntu-meeting for those interested [18:38] and i'm sad to see that ailo isn't here :( [18:47] heh, holstein, i was viewing actions as some task to assign to someone ;) [18:59] bbl [19:05] yeah, im just noticing its been an hour [19:05] and im action-ing some things to get them hopefully highlighted for those in the mailing list [19:07] Maybe pull our BZR branch for -menu and see if you can move it over to work for XFCE? [19:09] ckontros: I can share my code with you, for a reference [19:09] here: [19:09] http://kxstudio.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=kxstudio/kxstudio;a=tree;f=menu;h=1a62961f5c8a208271be2b137fcc25257298fd0c;hb=master [19:09] falktx: Ok. So not actually do the work? Sharing code is great, but we need folks to *do* stuff. :) [19:10] ckontros: hehe, sure I can help [19:10] my problem is that I already have tons of work to do, and I'm not usually online [19:10] Gotcha [19:11] It will get done whan it gets done then. :) [19:11] ckontros: I guess that to make US-menu work I just have to convert the files, easy stuff [19:11] Im hoping as well. [19:11] ckontros: I do have a lot more apps to filter than US though... [19:12] falktx: Sure. We'll use what's useful. [19:13] great [19:13] Im wondering. Is your install a all-or-nothing install? ie: If someone installs an app *after* install, that normally goes to "Multimedia", and you have a -menu entry for it, will it get moved? [19:13] not sure if I understood [19:14] the *-menu thing is always active [19:14] Or does your -menu pkg only work when you install the distro? [19:14] if a new app gets installed, it will get to it's proper place right away [19:14] ckontros: the deb I posted works anywhere [19:14] ckontros: you do have to re-login though [19:14] "Proper" being where you've sent it via your -menu pkg. [19:15] ^yes [19:15] Gotcha. [19:15] I think US-menu does the same, right? [19:15] Yup. [19:15] But I was never sure if it worked cross-DE. [19:16] I initially did it for KDE, which conforms to the standards [19:16] the initial *menu did not worked on gnome... [19:16] now it does [19:16] ckontros: the trick is to replicate the "hide" part twice [19:16] Well the broader support the better. [19:17] Ok. I really gotta get back to my yard work. bbs [19:17] can someone give me the link to US-menu code? [19:17] I can do this right now, repacing my files with US ones [19:18] https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu [19:19] But that seems off. Scott can tell you for sure. [19:20] ckontros: btw, I also add some wine apps (not removed from wine menu) to the audio production menu. are you ok with it? [19:27] scott-upstairs: ping [19:32] btw, I just noticed something I forgot a long time ago [19:32] this is wrong: [19:32] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntustudio-menu/oneiric/view/head:/AudioProduction.directory [19:33] (using empty fields) [19:33] if it's not translated, please comment them [19:33] otherwise it will appear blank (no text) on the main menu [19:37] Good point, falktx, thanks! [19:41] astraljava: i'll fork this, brb with a nice deb... [19:41] scott-upstairs: Notice the "upstream connections" thing here. On the left. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings [19:42] Should there be one for us here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu [19:43] falktx: If you're hacking on it to be compatible with XFCE and KDE make sure its not routing all or the apps you do. I wanna simply replicate our current functionality and add stuff later. [19:44] scott-upstairs. Maybe we should just add falktx to ubuntustudio-dev? [19:44] brb [19:54] I wish charlie were in here. [20:01] ok, time to test [20:05] I don't have xcfe, anyone wanna test? [20:05] I can do a test install within an hour. [20:05] 1h... [20:07] I'll test [20:10] I just installed xfce4-panel [20:11] it works!! [20:11] hm... kinda cute awn dock at the bottom... [20:11] Cool. Ill try. If one removes the pkg, do things revert? [20:12] ckontros: i haven't made a deb yet, I simply modded the files [20:12] Gotcha [20:12] * falktx uploadds [20:13] falktx: Wanna be added to our -dev team? [20:13] ckontros: yes! [20:13] here you go: [20:13] http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/us.tar.gz [20:13] download the original us-menu code first, then replace the files [20:14] make a deb out of it and install [20:14] re-login on a xfce session to check it out [20:14] Check your mail. [20:15] hm... something's odd... [20:15] * ckontros pauses. [20:15] oh, the apps are added but not removed from the main multimedia menu! [20:15] * falktx investigates [20:19] doesn't this menu follows the alacarte settings ? [20:19] hm, let me reboot [20:19] falktx: Our current -menu pkg? [20:19] ckontros: xfce should follow alacarte like gnome [20:20] alacarte shows (ie, hides) the apps as expected [20:20] * falktx -> reboot [20:20] ScottL: I need links to all the "trunk" branches for our pkgs. Its driving me nuts. Everything "looks* to be owned by ubuntu-branches. It didnt used to work this way. Somethings changed and I dont like it. [20:27] ScottL: Actually, I think LP needs some cleanup. We have pkgs that areent under the ubuntu studio project. Maybe thats one issue? IDK. Its needs serious investigation. [20:27] At the least, I need links to all of our trunk branches so I can upload. [20:28] ckontros: http://paste.ubuntu.com/619357/ [20:29] astraljava: See all the non-uniformity. I *swear* is wasnt always like that. [20:29] This is really helpful, but I need the http links like this also: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio [20:29] back [20:29] * ckontros waves [20:30] it doesn't work properly... [20:30] :( [20:30] it does work on gnome and kde, not on xfce though [20:31] it seems like we need another remove-this list [20:31] ckontros: the weird part is that when right-clicking on menu, "edit", it displays the apps properly [20:32] just not in the menu itself [20:32] ckontros: [20:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/619359/ [20:33] Thanx man [20:33] I think I got it [20:33] xcfe uses another app.menu file... [20:43] done! [20:43] ;) [20:43] xfce menu fully working!! [20:44] it seems xfce doesn't follow the rules too [20:44] Boooo....... [20:44] only kde is behaving [20:45] ckontros: the link I sent you is good, just need to do 1 modification [20:46] k [20:46] applications.menu (which goes to /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/menus/), needs a symlink to xfce-applications.menu [20:46] ckontros: please write this down, very important [20:46] ^ [20:46] (channel logged) [20:46] hehe [20:47] ckontros: basically /usr/share/ubuntustudio-menu/menus/ will have the applications.menu file and a symlink to it, got it? [20:47] just need to tweak the debian folder to add that link [20:47] falktx: Now that you're part of the team, Im hoping you can just pull the branch and make the change. Will be better that someone who knows what they're doing makes the change rather than me remember. ;) [20:48] ckontros: hm... I just don't know bzr [20:48] I'm used to git [20:48] oh ok [20:49] falktx: Can you give me the exact text I need to add to the debial/install file? [20:49] *debian/install [20:51] ckontros: not install, it's other file [20:52] ckontros: let me try to use bzr once [20:52] if I fail, I'll tell you [20:55] falktx: It can be a bit to set up @ first. Look here: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch [20:55] thanks, I'll check [20:56] This should also help. https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio/ubuntustudio-menu [20:56] damn [20:56] Not the "branch" and "push" cmds @ the top. [20:56] *Note [20:56] bzr launchpad-login falk-t-j -> crash [20:57] odd [20:57] falktx: Which derivate/release? [20:57] falk: See that part where you create the ~/.ssh/config file? [20:58] falktx: That might help you also. I had to do it. [20:58] wo, worked [20:58] several tries and now is ok [20:59] have to go [20:59] cya [20:59] Later. [20:59] I want to make the one change you told me about but you said it wasnt the "instal" file I put it in. [21:00] damn [21:00] hi there [21:00] how was the meeting? [21:00] ckontros: That's probably postinst [21:00] I couldnt make it [21:01] Hi rlameiro! [21:01] i had a concert sorry [21:01] astraljava: Hey man :D [21:01] long time no see :D [21:01] astraljava: Sure. So Im unsure where I have to add it. [21:01] ckontros: hi there. nice to see you over here again :D [21:02] Yeah. I'm gonna hang out a little. ;) [21:03] ScottL scott-upstairs hi there. what do you think about the presentation/help videos? do we try to make them for this release or is it better to wait to have the release and website before make them? [21:03] ckontros: nice:D [21:11] rlameiro: Yeah, I had some problems which prevented from being present here. Should be getting better now, slowly. [21:12] astraljava: nice to ear that. I myself have been a little away from US. My work doesnt let to much time to help as much as I want,... [21:16]