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kernelloggershadeslayer: get jr to fix it plz01:07
kernelloggerScottK: I do not remember the question01:07
kernelloggerwe had sort of exhausting incidents here01:07
kernelloggermaybe I shall tell you one day01:07
kernelloggerwell, actually there is parts of it on the youtubez01:07
ScottKkernellogger: Links plz.01:31
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LaserJockScottK: dude, I don't think I'm going to be able to work on this merge in the next week. I'm working on my interview lecture and I'll be gone in Missouri  from Tuesday to Friday04:35
LaserJockI wonder if somebody else should chase this one04:36
ScottKLaserJock: OK.  Can you push what you've done so far in bzr somewhere?04:36
ScottKAppreciate the effort you've put in on it so far.04:36
ScottKLaserJock: Did you make any contacts with siretart of the KDE guy kernellogger recommended?04:36
LaserJockScottK: no, I was going to send an email to the KDE guy but realized that I won't be able to do anything with it for a week04:38
ScottKOK.  Thanks.04:38
ScottKJust let us know where to find what you've done and someone else will pick it up.04:38
ScottKLaserJock: When will you be in MO?04:38
ScottKOh, I should read what you wrote.04:39
LaserJockTuesday through Friday04:39
LaserJockI still have some prep work to do04:39
ScottKIt just misses.  I was in KC last week and will be there again week after next.04:41
LaserJocklol04:41
LaserJockoh well04:41
LaserJockone of these days we'll make it04:41
LaserJockScottK: ok, my work is at lp:~laserjock/+junk/kdemultimedia-merge , I have what I've done and the KDE bug that's the problem05:52
LaserJockScottK: I also put "please take: lp:~laserjock/+junk/kdemultimedia-merge" on MOM05:53
LaserJockI'm out for the week, hopefully I did a little good05:54
shadeslayerkernellogger: they did fix the bug iirc, but it seems the calligra branch is really too big06:26
shadeslayerkernellogger: as we saw last night ... 94 MB's in xz compression06:26
micahgshadeslayer: eh, chromium's bigger (180MB lzma compressed)06:26
shadeslayerO_O06:27
shadeslayercalligra is 460 MB's in tar.gz :P06:28
* micahg hasn't tried recompressing chromium as .tar.gz, but my guess is that it would top that06:29
shadeslayermicahg: basically ... bzr runs out of memory, nothing i can do06:30
shadeslayerbzr people would probably know more06:30
micahgshadeslayer: ah, so maybe for that one branch, just store the debian dir06:30
micahguntil the bzr people fix it06:31
shadeslayereh?06:31
micahglike the desktop team does, just store the debian dir in bzr06:31
shadeslayermicahg: thats all well, but we need the source branch for automated recipes 06:32
shadeslayermicahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-calligra06:32
micahgoh, yeah, no idea what to do for that...06:32
shadeslayer:)06:32
micahgshadeslayer: file a bug against launchpad :)06:33
shadeslayermicahg: its already there 06:33
* micahg goes to sleep as he doesn't seem to be contributing anything useful here06:33
shadeslayer:D06:34
shadeslayermicahg: bug 676657btw06:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 676657 in Launchpad itself "recipe builds can use too much memory" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67665706:37
didrocksdebfx: hey, FYI, rebuilding Qt with gcc 4.5 worked. So, I can see a fun game coming (will ask doko first, as I've no clue about how to debug that in gcc) :-)09:02
debfxdidrocks: ok, we could change the package to build with gcc 4.5 in the meantime if that doesn't screw up the symbols files09:43
didrocksdebfx: the package is building without changing the symbols file, so it seems to be ok. I'll try to check with doko and other toolchains guys and if no evident solution is found, we can go that path meanwhile if you don't mind09:44
=== debfx changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Meeting on June 8th 20:00 UTC: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | Merging KDE 4.6.3 from Debian | Packaging 4.6.4 for natty | Merges: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | TODO: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
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ScottKyofel: I took a quick look at your kdeplasma-addons merge in bzr and it's got a lot of noise in the changelog.  Would you please fix it to just align to Debian on their old changelog entries (yes, I think it's bogus to go back and change stuff, but they did it and we shouldn't maintain that as diff).12:05
yofelScottK: looking12:17
ScottKThanks.12:17
didrocksScottK: FYI, your assumption is correct, building Qt wigh gcc 4.5 work around the problem. So the issue is in the generated code. doko isn't there right now it seems12:18
didrocksScottK: debfx proposed to rebuild for now Qt with gcc 4.5, wdyt?12:18
ScottKdidrocks: OK.  At least we know where to file the bug.12:18
didrocksright, I'm doing that right now12:18
ScottKdidrocks: I forgot.  What was the issue we're fixing?12:19
didrocksScottK: a crash in unity-2d-places: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/79121312:19
ubottuUbuntu bug 791213 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "unity-2d-places crashed with SIGSEGV in QMetaObject::metacall()" [Critical,Confirmed]12:19
ScottKdidrocks: I'm a bit concerned about what happens to KDE builds once we're building Qt with one gcc and KDE with another.  I'd suggest someone hunt down doko and get an idea of this is a fix in days or fix in weeks problem.12:21
didrocksScottK: now that alpha1 is already missed, I don't really care of waiting a few extra days to find a proper solution, let's do that then12:22
ScottKdidrocks: OK.  Can you see if you can find him?  You've got the most detail on this.12:22
didrocksScottK: sure, I'll keep you posted12:23
ScottKThanks.12:23
didrocksyw :)12:23
yofelScottK: what's the noise? should I take out the older changelog entries from debian again that were added? (I just used merge-changelog)12:26
ScottKyofel: Make the older Debian changelog entries match what's in Debian.12:28
yofelaah, k12:28
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jussibah, what kind of rubbish screen is this to get when reporting a bug? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/06/plasma-desktopcs1575.jpg13:11
jussiseems a pretty effective way to stop bugs getting reported :/13:14
ScottKjussi: What package were you reporting a bug on?13:32
markey_nokialyzehey guys13:32
ScottKHey markey_nokialyze.13:32
markey_nokialyzebrb sorry13:32
jussiScottK: xserver-xorg-video-intel13:32
jussihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/79348713:35
ubottuUbuntu bug 793487 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu does not shut down when external monitor attached through displayport" [Undecided,New]13:35
ScottKNice.13:35
ScottKI'm asking the X folks about if that's intended.13:35
jussiScottK: ahh, thanks13:35
ScottKjussi: It's intentional as the bugs that get filed post-release on X stuff are generally very low quality.13:37
jussiScottK: ok13:38
jussiScottK: I assume #ubuntu-x is where hte discussion is at? (/me is now watching there)13:39
ScottKYes.13:39
ScottKyofel: Please let me know when that's updated in bzr and I'll look again.13:57
ScottKmaco: Did you talk with ev about our Ubiquity troubles?13:58
ScottKkdepim is in real need of merging (and updating boost to 1.46) is someone is looking for something worthwhile to do.14:27
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* ScottK is looking at kdemultimedia.15:14
shadeslayerhey all15:22
shadeslayeryofel: around?15:37
yofelsomewhat, yes?15:40
shadeslayeryofel: nvm i found the issue, emacs wasn't displaying column numbers for some reason :/15:42
shadeslayerused kate instead15:42
yofelI don't know scratch about emacs :P15:42
shadeslayeryofel: nah, it was about : W: libmarble-dev: debian-changelog-line-too-long line 915:43
yofelah15:43
shadeslayerapachelogger: when you're around, could you ping me ?15:52
shadeslayeryofel: btw shouldn't 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1 be a seprate entry?15:54
shadeslayereven tho unreleased15:54
yofelI didn't see a point in keeping it if it's unreleased15:54
shadeslayeryofel: also, did you see our discussion on #bzr?15:55
yofelnot yet, need to read the backlog15:56
shadeslayerah .. here's the gist of it : <wgrant> poolie, spiv, shadeslayer: The bzr upgrade has landed, and I'm QAing it now. Will be deployed in a couple of days.15:56
shadeslayerand then : <spiv> shadeslayer: and fwiw that branch is much larger than your xz'd 97MB.  'du -hs .bzr' says 509M.15:56
yofelnice  :)15:57
Quintasan\o/15:58
QuintasanNEW BZR15:58
Quintasanmagic15:58
shadeslayer... in theaters near you this summer 15:59
* yofel realizes he won't get free karma from the manual upload anymore :(15:59
shadeslayerlol ^^15:59
yofel:P16:00
shadeslayeryofel: you karmawhore16:00
shadeslayerhahahah ... i started typing /me in a konsole16:00
yofel^^16:02
micahgshadeslayer: use vi, line numbers is :se nu16:04
shadeslayerugh ... i could never master vi and the icky ':'s16:04
yofelyou'll get used to it :P16:05
shadeslayernah .... i've gotten used to emacs now16:06
shadeslayeri rarely use my mouse now ... everything is Ctrl this or Alt that16:06
Quintasan>emacs16:08
QuintasanTRAITOR16:08
shadeslayerQuintasan: jr uses emacs16:12
Quintasanbut jr is jr16:12
Quintasanand you are shadeslayer16:12
shadeslayerand?16:12
Quintasanand, well that ends my point :P16:14
QuintasanI mean, everyone should use vim16:15
QuintasanThey will switch from emacs someday for sure16:15
shadeslayerdoes not compute16:15
Quintasan:P16:15
shadeslayeri <3 my emacs right now16:15
ScottKmultimedia uploaded.16:17
debfxshadeslayer: what's the point in having a separate UNRELEASED changelog entry just because those changes were done before the merge?16:37
shadeslayerdebfx: yes, and well ... we also have other UNRELEASED entries earlier, if it really is a issue i can fix it\16:38
* ScottK finds them very untidy.16:38
ScottKQuintasan: If Gnome can be an OS, shadeslayer can use an OS for an editor if he wants.16:39
debfxyeah, though cleaning them up later is a bit confusing16:39
ScottKAgreed.16:39
Quintasan:O16:39
ScottKPost-upload changelog editing is quite wrong.16:39
shadeslayerScottK: kdeedu hasn't been uploaded yet16:40
ScottKExcept for perhaps obvious typographical errors.16:40
ScottKshadeslayer: Then merge the changelog entry.16:40
shadeslayeralright16:40
debfxi'll upload edu and plasma-addons16:41
Quintasankded4 using 25% of CPU16:41
debfxthen there is only pim left16:41
Quintasanmgraesslin: ping16:43
shadeslayerdebfx: pushed, if everything is okay, please merge :)16:43
debfxKRF: the amarok package with the svg bugfix has been built16:43
mgraesslinQuintasan: pong16:44
yofeldebfx: ScottK wanted me to redo the changelog for kdeplasma-addons16:44
Quintasanmgraesslin: http://www.doodle.com/zvnnsa9q8y8h4w88   <-- we would love it if you could show up for 30 minutes or so16:44
debfxKRF: I'd appreciate it if you could test it and push a comment on bug #78619216:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 786192 in amarok (Ubuntu Natty) "Wrong rendering of some elements of interface" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78619216:44
* yofel can do that now16:44
ScottKdebfx: I took just a glance at kdeplasma-addons and it had some unfortunate noise in debian/changelog since Debian went back and edited it.  We shouldn't carry that as diff.16:45
debfxScottK: many kde sc packages have that16:46
ScottKdebfx: There's cases where we have a longer history which I think we should keep (it's an acknowledged bug in the Debian package), but where they've gone and edited stuff we ought to just match it.16:47
debfxshadeslayer: thanks, I'll merge it16:47
debfxScottK: I've cleaned up the changelog in kde4libs, it had some duplicate entries, some were missing and a lot of trailing whitespace changes16:49
ScottKdebfx: Great.  Also missing pre-KDE4 Debian entries can be added to the qt-kde git so we don't have to deal with the diff in the future.16:49
mgraesslinQuintasan: just tell me the final date and I try to be around16:50
markey_nokialyzeare there any known bugs with HDD encryption with Kubuntu 11.04?16:52
ScottKmarkey_nokialyze: Full disk or /home?16:53
markey_nokialyzefull disk16:53
ScottK(note that nothing in disk encryption is Kubuntu specific except a slight bit of installer U/I so it's really more of a general Ubuntu question)16:54
ScottKI don't generally use it, but it's a tested use case so I would assume it mostly works.16:54
ScottKWhat's going on?16:54
* ScottK pokes at maco again about Ubiquity.16:55
macohi16:55
macosorry i didnt answer earlier this morning. i was busy puking16:55
shadeslayermaco: oh you need to teach me stuff about Ubiquity hacking tonight16:55
ScottKUnless that was a misspelling, I'm guessing today is not the best day.16:56
macoshadeslayer: i dont a whole lot, just...its python, so treat it like python16:56
KRFdebfx++16:56
KRF[krf@kerberos amarok 804K]% diff -u /usr/share/kde4/apps/amarok/images/default-theme-clean.svg src/images/default-theme-clean.svg16:56
KRF[krf@kerberos amarok 804K]%16:56
KRFseems to work ;)16:56
macoScottK: i dont think hot fudge agrees with me16:56
ScottKI'm sorry.16:57
ScottKReminds me I need lunch.16:57
macoshadeslayer: the text in a lot of places is templated, which is a bit weird16:58
shadeslayerhmm ... would the wiki be enough to guide me through the python muck?16:59
macoshadeslayer: overall it just looks like spaghetti most of the time. and i have NO IDEA WHY, but the keyboard layout listings are handled differently internally depending on if its qt or gtk, and not even like "put them into a different widget to display" but like they get fetched from the backend in two different ways, neither of which i understand16:59
shadeslayer@_@16:59
macoi rather suspect ev is likely to know what the gtk one is doing but not the kde because someone in this channel probably wrote the kde bit17:00
markey_nokialyzeScottK: yes you're right, it's a general Ubuntu issue. what's going on is very weird. some work mates have upgraded (we have to use full disk encryption), and basically it only works on every second reboot, and does weird things17:03
markey_nokialyzeworks fine in 10.1017:03
ScottKWeird.17:03
markey_nokialyzethe UI for entering the passphrase is not shown correctly17:03
markey_nokialyzeanyway, going home now17:04
markey_nokialyzelater17:04
yofelScottK, debfx: kdeplasma-addons changelog synced17:09
ScottKThanks.17:09
ScottKdebfx: I'll leave it to you if you're going to have a look.17:09
debfxKRF: great, could you say that on the bug report? it's a formality to get it accepted into natty-updates.17:22
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shadeslayerapachelogger: http://asiajin.com/blog/2009/09/22/uroboros-programming-with-11-programming-languages/17:29
JontheEchidnaScottK: are the special seed building instructions for kubuntu-meta still needed? I don't see the special instructions in the readme anymore17:29
ScottKJontheEchidna: No.  They aren't.17:29
JontheEchidnacool17:29
* JontheEchidna kicks firefox back to whence it came17:29
ScottKExcellent.17:29
yofelshadeslayer: @_@17:30
JontheEchidnathis is the root cause of firefox on the livecd: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.oneiric/revision/103917:30
shadeslayeryofel: uh ... ?17:30
yofelshadeslayer: people have too much free time :P17:31
shadeslayerah17:31
shadeslayerthat link ...  yeah17:31
debfxJontheEchidna: the location of the seeds branch has changed, I've just sent out a mail to kubuntu-dev17:52
JontheEchidnaoh, that's why the germinate update script isn't finding any changes17:53
ScottKYeah.  That'll need to be changed.  Forgot about thatone.17:53
* JontheEchidna pushes to new branch17:54
apacheloggershadeslayer: ping18:00
shadeslayerapachelogger: right, calligra is ~done, uploading another build with everything fixed now18:01
apacheloggershadeslayer: weeh, when will it be built?18:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: i have no idea, 2-3 hours? and also, what is the target for ARM devices this cycle? i need some details18:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending18:12
Quintasanapachelogger: ping18:20
DarkwingDuckMorning.18:22
QuintasanDarkwingDuck: \o18:23
DarkwingDuckHow is everyone?18:25
QuintasanCould be better18:26
Quintasantests, tests everywhere18:26
DarkwingDuck:D18:26
DarkwingDuckFor the sake of sounding really off... anyone know the language BBC Basic?18:27
Quintasanwait18:28
Quintasanwhat18:28
QuintasanBBC Basic18:28
QuintasanBasic as in programming language?18:28
DarkwingDuckYeah, there is an older program that i have in BBC Basic that runs on RISC OS18:29
DarkwingDuckI was looking for someone who knew it so help port it to Python18:29
DarkwingDuckI'll pour over it's website.18:29
DarkwingDuckIt look fairly simple.18:30
DarkwingDuckc2tarun: ping18:47
c2tarunDarkwingDuck, yup18:47
DarkwingDuckc2tarun: You going to be around wednesday the 8th at 8p UTC?18:48
c2tarunDarkwingDuck, yeah I 'll be what happened18:48
c2tarun?18:48
DarkwingDuckKubuntu Meeting. I see your name is up for membership18:48
c2tarunDarkwingDuck, I put my name there long time ago, but I was not able to do any packaging recently due to my exams and SoK project. :(18:49
c2tarunI dont think I'll get it18:49
DarkwingDuckc2tarun: Just wanted to give you a heads up. 18:50
c2tarunok I'll be there :)18:50
DarkwingDuckOkay, Interview time again. :)18:51
c2tarunDarkwingDuck, BTW do you have any idea what are the questions that will be asked?18:57
DarkwingDuckIt's been a while since I went through it. I think involvement questions and the like.18:58
c2tarun:/18:58
yofelyou could look at the logs, but usually it's like what you did and what you plan for kubuntu in the near and far future18:59
c2tarunplan O_O18:59
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c2tarun_why broadcom suks on ubuntu or ubuntu suks on broadcom :( I am getting fed up of my wifi not working and kernel freezes :( can anyone help please?19:08
ScottKWorks fine here.  Just because you have problems doesn't mean it's broadly problematic for everyone.19:08
c2tarun_ScottK, you having broadcom wifi card?19:08
ScottKYes.19:09
c2tarun_ScottK, and you never expected any freezing or wifi not getting detected or something like that?19:09
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ScottKc2tarun: Yes.19:09
c2tarunScottK, yes means you got any freezes like that? 19:10
ScottKNo.  Yes means I "never experienced ..."19:10
c2tarunScottK, :( how often do you reboot?19:11
ScottKDunno.  Not very often.19:11
c2tarunScottK, I get this wifi problem too often :( what should I do?19:12
ScottKNo idea.19:13
ScottKIt's not free software, so it either works or it doesn't.19:13
c2tarunScottK, but how come it work sometimes but stop working after sometime? :(19:14
ScottKDunno.19:14
c2tarun:(  I am about to cry ;*(  need a shoulder ;(19:15
KRFdebfx: done19:23
* ScottK thinks shadeslayer is closest to c2tarun.19:25
c2tarunScottK, broadcom now creates open source drivers :( http://www.osnews.com/story/23786/BREAKING_BROADCOM_OPEN_SOURCES_WIRELESS_DRIVERS19:29
c2tarundon't know whether it'll be of any good :(19:30
ScottKI've heard of people having mixed results.19:30
debfxKRF: thanks19:30
ScottKI think they are packaged, but I don't know any details.19:31
Quintasansheytan: more like ping here19:55
bambeeevening19:56
sheytanQuintasan pong19:59
Quintasansheytan: feeling like redesigning Kubuntu Business Card?19:59
Quintasansheytan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards20:00
QuintasanThere is link to old one20:00
QuintasanLook plainish to me20:00
Quintasan+ it uses old logo20:00
sheytanQuintasan already done some time ago. Look at my blog under Moje projekty20:00
Quintasanwoah20:00
QuintasanWhy it is not on BusinessCard page then?20:01
sheytanQuintasan: dunno20:01
Quintasansheytan: 40420:02
Quintasansheytan: as in, onet deleted them20:04
sheytanw820:05
debfxScottK: could you accept kdeedu from binary NEW?20:15
* ScottK looks20:15
ScottKdebfx: Is libkdeedu-data arch all or arch any?20:17
debfxScottK: it is any but should be all20:18
ScottKAlso  I don't think you need to include the scalable icons in the binary.  Those are really more like source AIUI.20:18
ScottKdebfx: Please fix in bzr for the next upload.  Also check and see if Debian has this problem too.20:18
debfxyes, it needs to be fixed in Debian20:20
ScottKPlease have a chat with them about it/fix it.20:23
sheytanQuintasan: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/07/wizytowki-kubuntu.html20:23
ScottKThe rest looks fine.20:23
ScottKdebfx: Done.20:24
Quintasansheytan:  http://sheytan-files.xt.pl/kubuntu/kubuntu-business-card.tar.gz -> 40420:24
debfxI'm not sure about the svg files, the build system install them.20:24
debfxScottK: thanks20:24
sheytanQuintasan will reupload in few minutes20:25
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apacheloggerQuintasan_: pogo20:51
=== Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan
markey_nokialyzeyou're still using bzr? :)22:28
markey_nokialyzeomg22:28
ScottKmarkey_nokialyze: bzr is all LP supports.  Unless we want to provide all our own infrastructure that's what we use.22:33
ScottKIt's not so bad anyway.22:33
ScottKCertainly easier to learn than Git.22:33
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EagleScreenhello23:41
EagleScreenshould new users in admin be able to install updates with packagekit and polycikit? 23:43

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