[01:07] <kernellogger> shadeslayer: get jr to fix it plz
[01:07] <kernellogger> ScottK: I do not remember the question
[01:07] <kernellogger> we had sort of exhausting incidents here
[01:07] <kernellogger> maybe I shall tell you one day
[01:07] <kernellogger> well, actually there is parts of it on the youtubez
[01:31] <ScottK> kernellogger: Links plz.
[04:35] <LaserJock> ScottK: dude, I don't think I'm going to be able to work on this merge in the next week. I'm working on my interview lecture and I'll be gone in Missouri  from Tuesday to Friday
[04:36] <LaserJock> I wonder if somebody else should chase this one
[04:36] <ScottK> LaserJock: OK.  Can you push what you've done so far in bzr somewhere?
[04:36] <ScottK> Appreciate the effort you've put in on it so far.
[04:36] <ScottK> LaserJock: Did you make any contacts with siretart of the KDE guy kernellogger recommended?
[04:38] <LaserJock> ScottK: no, I was going to send an email to the KDE guy but realized that I won't be able to do anything with it for a week
[04:38] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[04:38] <ScottK> Just let us know where to find what you've done and someone else will pick it up.
[04:38] <ScottK> LaserJock: When will you be in MO?
[04:39] <ScottK> Oh, I should read what you wrote.
[04:39] <LaserJock> Tuesday through Friday
[04:39] <LaserJock> I still have some prep work to do
[04:41] <ScottK> It just misses.  I was in KC last week and will be there again week after next.
[04:41] <LaserJock> lol
[04:41] <LaserJock> oh well
[04:41] <LaserJock> one of these days we'll make it
[05:52] <LaserJock> ScottK: ok, my work is at lp:~laserjock/+junk/kdemultimedia-merge , I have what I've done and the KDE bug that's the problem
[05:53] <LaserJock> ScottK: I also put "please take: lp:~laserjock/+junk/kdemultimedia-merge" on MOM
[05:54] <LaserJock> I'm out for the week, hopefully I did a little good
[06:26] <shadeslayer> kernellogger: they did fix the bug iirc, but it seems the calligra branch is really too big
[06:26] <shadeslayer> kernellogger: as we saw last night ... 94 MB's in xz compression
[06:26] <micahg> shadeslayer: eh, chromium's bigger (180MB lzma compressed)
[06:27] <shadeslayer> O_O
[06:28] <shadeslayer> calligra is 460 MB's in tar.gz :P
[06:29]  * micahg hasn't tried recompressing chromium as .tar.gz, but my guess is that it would top that
[06:30] <shadeslayer> micahg: basically ... bzr runs out of memory, nothing i can do
[06:30] <shadeslayer> bzr people would probably know more
[06:30] <micahg> shadeslayer: ah, so maybe for that one branch, just store the debian dir
[06:31] <micahg> until the bzr people fix it
[06:31] <shadeslayer> eh?
[06:31] <micahg> like the desktop team does, just store the debian dir in bzr
[06:32] <shadeslayer> micahg: thats all well, but we need the source branch for automated recipes 
[06:32] <shadeslayer> micahg: https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-calligra
[06:32] <micahg> oh, yeah, no idea what to do for that...
[06:32] <shadeslayer> :)
[06:33] <micahg> shadeslayer: file a bug against launchpad :)
[06:33] <shadeslayer> micahg: its already there 
[06:33]  * micahg goes to sleep as he doesn't seem to be contributing anything useful here
[06:34] <shadeslayer> :D
[06:37] <shadeslayer> micahg: bug 676657btw
[09:02] <didrocks> debfx: hey, FYI, rebuilding Qt with gcc 4.5 worked. So, I can see a fun game coming (will ask doko first, as I've no clue about how to debug that in gcc) :-)
[09:43] <debfx> didrocks: ok, we could change the package to build with gcc 4.5 in the meantime if that doesn't screw up the symbols files
[09:44] <didrocks> debfx: the package is building without changing the symbols file, so it seems to be ok. I'll try to check with doko and other toolchains guys and if no evident solution is found, we can go that path meanwhile if you don't mind
[12:05] <ScottK> yofel: I took a quick look at your kdeplasma-addons merge in bzr and it's got a lot of noise in the changelog.  Would you please fix it to just align to Debian on their old changelog entries (yes, I think it's bogus to go back and change stuff, but they did it and we shouldn't maintain that as diff).
[12:17] <yofel> ScottK: looking
[12:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:18] <didrocks> ScottK: FYI, your assumption is correct, building Qt wigh gcc 4.5 work around the problem. So the issue is in the generated code. doko isn't there right now it seems
[12:18] <didrocks> ScottK: debfx proposed to rebuild for now Qt with gcc 4.5, wdyt?
[12:18] <ScottK> didrocks: OK.  At least we know where to file the bug.
[12:18] <didrocks> right, I'm doing that right now
[12:19] <ScottK> didrocks: I forgot.  What was the issue we're fixing?
[12:19] <didrocks> ScottK: a crash in unity-2d-places: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/791213
[12:21] <ScottK> didrocks: I'm a bit concerned about what happens to KDE builds once we're building Qt with one gcc and KDE with another.  I'd suggest someone hunt down doko and get an idea of this is a fix in days or fix in weeks problem.
[12:22] <didrocks> ScottK: now that alpha1 is already missed, I don't really care of waiting a few extra days to find a proper solution, let's do that then
[12:22] <ScottK> didrocks: OK.  Can you see if you can find him?  You've got the most detail on this.
[12:23] <didrocks> ScottK: sure, I'll keep you posted
[12:23] <ScottK> Thanks.
[12:23] <didrocks> yw :)
[12:26] <yofel> ScottK: what's the noise? should I take out the older changelog entries from debian again that were added? (I just used merge-changelog)
[12:28] <ScottK> yofel: Make the older Debian changelog entries match what's in Debian.
[12:28] <yofel> aah, k
[13:11] <jussi> bah, what kind of rubbish screen is this to get when reporting a bug? http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/06/plasma-desktopcs1575.jpg
[13:14] <jussi> seems a pretty effective way to stop bugs getting reported :/
[13:32] <ScottK> jussi: What package were you reporting a bug on?
[13:32] <markey_nokialyze> hey guys
[13:32] <ScottK> Hey markey_nokialyze.
[13:32] <markey_nokialyze> brb sorry
[13:32] <jussi> ScottK: xserver-xorg-video-intel
[13:35] <jussi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/793487
[13:35] <ScottK> Nice.
[13:35] <ScottK> I'm asking the X folks about if that's intended.
[13:35] <jussi> ScottK: ahh, thanks
[13:37] <ScottK> jussi: It's intentional as the bugs that get filed post-release on X stuff are generally very low quality.
[13:38] <jussi> ScottK: ok
[13:39] <jussi> ScottK: I assume #ubuntu-x is where hte discussion is at? (/me is now watching there)
[13:39] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:57] <ScottK> yofel: Please let me know when that's updated in bzr and I'll look again.
[13:58] <ScottK> maco: Did you talk with ev about our Ubiquity troubles?
[14:27] <ScottK> kdepim is in real need of merging (and updating boost to 1.46) is someone is looking for something worthwhile to do.
[15:14]  * ScottK is looking at kdemultimedia.
[15:22] <shadeslayer> hey all
[15:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: around?
[15:40] <yofel> somewhat, yes?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: nvm i found the issue, emacs wasn't displaying column numbers for some reason :/
[15:42] <shadeslayer> used kate instead
[15:42] <yofel> I don't know scratch about emacs :P
[15:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: nah, it was about : W: libmarble-dev: debian-changelog-line-too-long line 9
[15:43] <yofel> ah
[15:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: when you're around, could you ping me ?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw shouldn't 4:4.6.3-0ubuntu1 be a seprate entry?
[15:54] <shadeslayer> even tho unreleased
[15:54] <yofel> I didn't see a point in keeping it if it's unreleased
[15:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: also, did you see our discussion on #bzr?
[15:56] <yofel> not yet, need to read the backlog
[15:56] <shadeslayer> ah .. here's the gist of it : <wgrant> poolie, spiv, shadeslayer: The bzr upgrade has landed, and I'm QAing it now. Will be deployed in a couple of days.
[15:56] <shadeslayer> and then : <spiv> shadeslayer: and fwiw that branch is much larger than your xz'd 97MB.  'du -hs .bzr' says 509M.
[15:57] <yofel> nice  :)
[15:58] <Quintasan> \o/
[15:58] <Quintasan> NEW BZR
[15:58] <Quintasan> magic
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ... in theaters near you this summer 
[15:59]  * yofel realizes he won't get free karma from the  manual upload anymore :(
[15:59] <shadeslayer> lol ^^
[16:00] <yofel> :P
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yofel: you karmawhore
[16:00] <shadeslayer> hahahah ... i started typing /me in a konsole
[16:02] <yofel> ^^
[16:04] <micahg> shadeslayer: use vi, line numbers is :se nu
[16:04] <shadeslayer> ugh ... i could never master vi and the icky ':'s
[16:05] <yofel> you'll get used to it :P
[16:06] <shadeslayer> nah .... i've gotten used to emacs now
[16:06] <shadeslayer> i rarely use my mouse now ... everything is Ctrl this or Alt that
[16:08] <Quintasan> >emacs
[16:08] <Quintasan> TRAITOR
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: jr uses emacs
[16:12] <Quintasan> but jr is jr
[16:12] <Quintasan> and you are shadeslayer
[16:12] <shadeslayer> and?
[16:14] <Quintasan> and, well that ends my point :P
[16:15] <Quintasan> I mean, everyone should use vim
[16:15] <Quintasan> They will switch from emacs someday for sure
[16:15] <shadeslayer> does not compute
[16:15] <Quintasan> :P
[16:15] <shadeslayer> i <3 my emacs right now
[16:17] <ScottK> multimedia uploaded.
[16:37] <debfx> shadeslayer: what's the point in having a separate UNRELEASED changelog entry just because those changes were done before the merge?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> debfx: yes, and well ... we also have other UNRELEASED entries earlier, if it really is a issue i can fix it\
[16:38]  * ScottK finds them very untidy.
[16:39] <ScottK> Quintasan: If Gnome can be an OS, shadeslayer can use an OS for an editor if he wants.
[16:39] <debfx> yeah, though cleaning them up later is a bit confusing
[16:39] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:39] <Quintasan> :O
[16:39] <ScottK> Post-upload changelog editing is quite wrong.
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kdeedu hasn't been uploaded yet
[16:40] <ScottK> Except for perhaps obvious typographical errors.
[16:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Then merge the changelog entry.
[16:40] <shadeslayer> alright
[16:41] <debfx> i'll upload edu and plasma-addons
[16:41] <Quintasan> kded4 using 25% of CPU
[16:41] <debfx> then there is only pim left
[16:43] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: ping
[16:43] <shadeslayer> debfx: pushed, if everything is okay, please merge :)
[16:43] <debfx> KRF: the amarok package with the svg bugfix has been built
[16:44] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: pong
[16:44] <yofel> debfx: ScottK wanted me to redo the changelog for kdeplasma-addons
[16:44] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: http://www.doodle.com/zvnnsa9q8y8h4w88   <-- we would love it if you could show up for 30 minutes or so
[16:44] <debfx> KRF: I'd appreciate it if you could test it and push a comment on bug #786192
[16:44]  * yofel can do that now
[16:45] <ScottK> debfx: I took just a glance at kdeplasma-addons and it had some unfortunate noise in debian/changelog since Debian went back and edited it.  We shouldn't carry that as diff.
[16:46] <debfx> ScottK: many kde sc packages have that
[16:47] <ScottK> debfx: There's cases where we have a longer history which I think we should keep (it's an acknowledged bug in the Debian package), but where they've gone and edited stuff we ought to just match it.
[16:47] <debfx> shadeslayer: thanks, I'll merge it
[16:49] <debfx> ScottK: I've cleaned up the changelog in kde4libs, it had some duplicate entries, some were missing and a lot of trailing whitespace changes
[16:49] <ScottK> debfx: Great.  Also missing pre-KDE4 Debian entries can be added to the qt-kde git so we don't have to deal with the diff in the future.
[16:50] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: just tell me the final date and I try to be around
[16:52] <markey_nokialyze> are there any known bugs with HDD encryption with Kubuntu 11.04?
[16:53] <ScottK> markey_nokialyze: Full disk or /home?
[16:53] <markey_nokialyze> full disk
[16:54] <ScottK> (note that nothing in disk encryption is Kubuntu specific except a slight bit of installer U/I so it's really more of a general Ubuntu question)
[16:54] <ScottK> I don't generally use it, but it's a tested use case so I would assume it mostly works.
[16:54] <ScottK> What's going on?
[16:55]  * ScottK pokes at maco again about Ubiquity.
[16:55] <maco> hi
[16:55] <maco> sorry i didnt answer earlier this morning. i was busy puking
[16:55] <shadeslayer> maco: oh you need to teach me stuff about Ubiquity hacking tonight
[16:56] <ScottK> Unless that was a misspelling, I'm guessing today is not the best day.
[16:56] <maco> shadeslayer: i dont a whole lot, just...its python, so treat it like python
[16:56] <KRF> debfx++
[16:56] <KRF> [krf@kerberos amarok 804K]% diff -u /usr/share/kde4/apps/amarok/images/default-theme-clean.svg src/images/default-theme-clean.svg
[16:56] <KRF> [krf@kerberos amarok 804K]%
[16:56] <KRF> seems to work ;)
[16:56] <maco> ScottK: i dont think hot fudge agrees with me
[16:57] <ScottK> I'm sorry.
[16:57] <ScottK> Reminds me I need lunch.
[16:58] <maco> shadeslayer: the text in a lot of places is templated, which is a bit weird
[16:59] <shadeslayer> hmm ... would the wiki be enough to guide me through the python muck?
[16:59] <maco> shadeslayer: overall it just looks like spaghetti most of the time. and i have NO IDEA WHY, but the keyboard layout listings are handled differently internally depending on if its qt or gtk, and not even like "put them into a different widget to display" but like they get fetched from the backend in two different ways, neither of which i understand
[16:59] <shadeslayer> @_@
[17:00] <maco> i rather suspect ev is likely to know what the gtk one is doing but not the kde because someone in this channel probably wrote the kde bit
[17:03] <markey_nokialyze> ScottK: yes you're right, it's a general Ubuntu issue. what's going on is very weird. some work mates have upgraded (we have to use full disk encryption), and basically it only works on every second reboot, and does weird things
[17:03] <markey_nokialyze> works fine in 10.10
[17:03] <ScottK> Weird.
[17:03] <markey_nokialyze> the UI for entering the passphrase is not shown correctly
[17:04] <markey_nokialyze> anyway, going home now
[17:04] <markey_nokialyze> later
[17:09] <yofel> ScottK, debfx: kdeplasma-addons changelog synced
[17:09] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:09] <ScottK> debfx: I'll leave it to you if you're going to have a look.
[17:22] <debfx> KRF: great, could you say that on the bug report? it's a formality to get it accepted into natty-updates.
[17:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://asiajin.com/blog/2009/09/22/uroboros-programming-with-11-programming-languages/
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: are the special seed building instructions for kubuntu-meta still needed? I don't see the special instructions in the readme anymore
[17:29] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  They aren't.
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> cool
[17:29]  * JontheEchidna kicks firefox back to whence it came
[17:29] <ScottK> Excellent.
[17:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: @_@
[17:30] <JontheEchidna> this is the root cause of firefox on the livecd: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.oneiric/revision/1039
[17:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: uh ... ?
[17:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: people have too much free time :P
[17:31] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:31] <shadeslayer> that link ...  yeah
[17:52] <debfx> JontheEchidna: the location of the seeds branch has changed, I've just sent out a mail to kubuntu-dev
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's why the germinate update script isn't finding any changes
[17:53] <ScottK> Yeah.  That'll need to be changed.  Forgot about thatone.
[17:54]  * JontheEchidna pushes to new branch
[18:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[18:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, calligra is ~done, uploading another build with everything fixed now
[18:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: weeh, when will it be built?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have no idea, 2-3 hours? and also, what is the target for ARM devices this cycle? i need some details
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending
[18:20] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[18:22] <DarkwingDuck> Morning.
[18:23] <Quintasan> DarkwingDuck: \o
[18:25] <DarkwingDuck> How is everyone?
[18:26] <Quintasan> Could be better
[18:26] <Quintasan> tests, tests everywhere
[18:26] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[18:27] <DarkwingDuck> For the sake of sounding really off... anyone know the language BBC Basic?
[18:28] <Quintasan> wait
[18:28] <Quintasan> what
[18:28] <Quintasan> BBC Basic
[18:28] <Quintasan> Basic as in programming language?
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, there is an older program that i have in BBC Basic that runs on RISC OS
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> I was looking for someone who knew it so help port it to Python
[18:29] <DarkwingDuck> I'll pour over it's website.
[18:30] <DarkwingDuck> It look fairly simple.
[18:47] <DarkwingDuck> c2tarun: ping
[18:47] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck, yup
[18:48] <DarkwingDuck> c2tarun: You going to be around wednesday the 8th at 8p UTC?
[18:48] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck, yeah I 'll be what happened
[18:48] <c2tarun> ?
[18:48] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntu Meeting. I see your name is up for membership
[18:49] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck, I put my name there long time ago, but I was not able to do any packaging recently due to my exams and SoK project. :(
[18:49] <c2tarun> I dont think I'll get it
[18:50] <DarkwingDuck> c2tarun: Just wanted to give you a heads up. 
[18:50] <c2tarun> ok I'll be there :)
[18:51] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, Interview time again. :)
[18:57] <c2tarun> DarkwingDuck, BTW do you have any idea what are the questions that will be asked?
[18:58] <DarkwingDuck> It's been a while since I went through it. I think involvement questions and the like.
[18:58] <c2tarun> :/
[18:59] <yofel> you could look at the logs, but usually it's like what you did and what you plan for kubuntu in the near and far future
[18:59] <c2tarun> plan O_O
[19:08] <c2tarun_> why broadcom suks on ubuntu or ubuntu suks on broadcom :( I am getting fed up of my wifi not working and kernel freezes :( can anyone help please?
[19:08] <ScottK> Works fine here.  Just because you have problems doesn't mean it's broadly problematic for everyone.
[19:08] <c2tarun_> ScottK, you having broadcom wifi card?
[19:09] <ScottK> Yes.
[19:09] <c2tarun_> ScottK, and you never expected any freezing or wifi not getting detected or something like that?
[19:09] <ScottK> c2tarun: Yes.
[19:10] <c2tarun> ScottK, yes means you got any freezes like that? 
[19:10] <ScottK> No.  Yes means I "never experienced ..."
[19:11] <c2tarun> ScottK, :( how often do you reboot?
[19:11] <ScottK> Dunno.  Not very often.
[19:12] <c2tarun> ScottK, I get this wifi problem too often :( what should I do?
[19:13] <ScottK> No idea.
[19:13] <ScottK> It's not free software, so it either works or it doesn't.
[19:14] <c2tarun> ScottK, but how come it work sometimes but stop working after sometime? :(
[19:14] <ScottK> Dunno.
[19:15] <c2tarun> :(  I am about to cry ;*(  need a shoulder ;(
[19:23] <KRF> debfx: done
[19:25]  * ScottK thinks shadeslayer is closest to c2tarun.
[19:29] <c2tarun> ScottK, broadcom now creates open source drivers :( http://www.osnews.com/story/23786/BREAKING_BROADCOM_OPEN_SOURCES_WIRELESS_DRIVERS
[19:30] <c2tarun> don't know whether it'll be of any good :(
[19:30] <ScottK> I've heard of people having mixed results.
[19:30] <debfx> KRF: thanks
[19:31] <ScottK> I think they are packaged, but I don't know any details.
[19:55] <Quintasan> sheytan: more like ping here
[19:56] <bambee> evening
[19:59] <sheytan> Quintasan pong
[19:59] <Quintasan> sheytan: feeling like redesigning Kubuntu Business Card?
[20:00] <Quintasan> sheytan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BusinessCards
[20:00] <Quintasan> There is link to old one
[20:00] <Quintasan> Look plainish to me
[20:00] <Quintasan> + it uses old logo
[20:00] <sheytan> Quintasan already done some time ago. Look at my blog under Moje projekty
[20:00] <Quintasan> woah
[20:01] <Quintasan> Why it is not on BusinessCard page then?
[20:01] <sheytan> Quintasan: dunno
[20:02] <Quintasan> sheytan: 404
[20:04] <Quintasan> sheytan: as in, onet deleted them
[20:05] <sheytan> w8
[20:15] <debfx> ScottK: could you accept kdeedu from binary NEW?
[20:15]  * ScottK looks
[20:17] <ScottK> debfx: Is libkdeedu-data arch all or arch any?
[20:18] <debfx> ScottK: it is any but should be all
[20:18] <ScottK> Also  I don't think you need to include the scalable icons in the binary.  Those are really more like source AIUI.
[20:18] <ScottK> debfx: Please fix in bzr for the next upload.  Also check and see if Debian has this problem too.
[20:20] <debfx> yes, it needs to be fixed in Debian
[20:23] <ScottK> Please have a chat with them about it/fix it.
[20:23] <sheytan> Quintasan: http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2010/07/wizytowki-kubuntu.html
[20:23] <ScottK> The rest looks fine.
[20:24] <ScottK> debfx: Done.
[20:24] <Quintasan> sheytan:  http://sheytan-files.xt.pl/kubuntu/kubuntu-business-card.tar.gz -> 404
[20:24] <debfx> I'm not sure about the svg files, the build system install them.
[20:24] <debfx> ScottK: thanks
[20:25] <sheytan> Quintasan will reupload in few minutes
[20:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan_: pogo
[22:28] <markey_nokialyze> you're still using bzr? :)
[22:28] <markey_nokialyze> omg
[22:33] <ScottK> markey_nokialyze: bzr is all LP supports.  Unless we want to provide all our own infrastructure that's what we use.
[22:33] <ScottK> It's not so bad anyway.
[22:33] <ScottK> Certainly easier to learn than Git.
[23:41] <EagleScreen> hello
[23:43] <EagleScreen> should new users in admin be able to install updates with packagekit and polycikit?