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Unit193genii-around: Howdy!02:17
genii-aroundUnit193: Hi :) Just seeing how many are here, someone asking an LXDE q in #ubuntu02:17
KM0201o/02:20
KM0201not that i'm all that smart.. :)02:20
head_victimgenii-around: what was the question?02:21
genii-aroundI may return later02:21
genii-aroundhead_victim: "<volkswagner> how can I show "shutdown" and "Reboot" options running LXDE on Ubuntu 11.04?  Usually in Debian I add user to powerdev group, but this group does not even exist for 11.04"02:22
KM0201genii-around: thats weird, thsoe options are there for me.02:22
genii-aroundI just pointed them here in case someone around knows02:23
* genii-around waves, leaves behind a complimentary pot of coffee02:24
Unit193Him and his coffee...02:24
KM0201lol02:25
head_victimvolkswagner: so you've created a new user I assume?02:25
volkswagneroops I tried to join #Lubuntu02:27
KM0201lol02:27
KM0201you're in lubuntu02:27
volkswagnerGreetings then... LOL02:27
KM0201o/02:28
volkswagnerhow can I show in menu "shutdown" and "Reboot" options running LXDE on Ubuntu 11.04?  Usually in Debian I add user to powerdev group, but this group does not even exist for 11.0402:28
volkswagnergive permissions I guess may be better, but even logging in as root these options don't appear in the shutdown menu.... just 'logout' and 'cancel'02:29
head_victimI'm trying to find something for you volkswagner, it's not something I've actually seen before02:29
volkswagnerI would have loved to use Lubuntu but my hard drive is limited to 512MB!  WebDT366 LX800 tablet02:30
head_victimI can't see any groups for that actually, it's odd.02:34
head_victimAs I'm not the most technical person I know I'd suggest writing a quick email to the mailing list at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop and seeing if someone there can help you further02:34
volkswagneryeah, this little project has a few hurdles, this is one of my last major hoops I hope02:35
head_victimI'd say it's got something to do with being a minimal install but I'm not sure what else you'd need to install to make it work02:35
KM0201hmmm02:36
volkswagnerhead_victim: thanks, I'll send out an email, folks at #ubuntu sent me here, as nobody there had any input :(02:36
head_victimvolkswagner: no problems, there's usually someone hanging around in here.02:37
KM0201where's Unit193 ?02:39
KM0201or bioterror02:39
LAcanguys, im thinking of setting up a webcam surveillance system on my lubuntu box... any tips or ideas?03:30
head_victimLAcan: I've heard good things about zoneminder03:38
LAcanya im taking a look at that right now03:38
LAcanany tips on picking a cheap webcam that will work easy with lubuntu?03:38
head_victimDepends on what you call a webcam and depends on what you call cheap ;)03:40
head_victimIf you just want a USB based thing I"d look at http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/cameras03:42
head_victimFor real ip cameras, I have no idea sorry03:42
LAcancheap webcam03:43
head_victimhttp://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_hardware has a list03:44
head_victimBut none of them really give prices03:44
LAcanya ill just head to chinatown... thanks for the list, but it seems a little sparse.. does ubuntu maintain a lrger list or is that it?03:45
head_victimThe main thing to look for is that it's UVC compliant03:45
LAcanUVC?03:45
head_victimBut most cheaper stuff won't say much of anything.03:45
head_victimIf you can, take a Lubuntu laptop with you and see if you can plug it in before buying03:45
LAcani have ubuntu on both my lappies but lubuntu only on desktop...03:46
head_victimIf it works on Ubuntu it should be working on Lubuntu03:46
LAcankk03:46
LAcanwhats UVC?03:46
head_victimhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_video_device_class03:47
LAcanhead_victim, from reading that link it seems that anything "certified for vista" or 7(?) must be UVC compatible... safe to assume that those will work with ubuntu?03:49
head_victimI hate assuming anything with hardware but seems plausible.03:52
head_victimI generally go look for what I want, come home and google it to make sure it works, then go back and buy it.03:52
head_victimIt's save me heaps of heartache over the years.03:52
jmarsdenhead_victim: If you take a smartphone with you, you don't need to do the "come home and" and "then go back and" steps :)03:53
head_victimjmarsden: touche. I've only very recently acquired a smartphone though ;) Also I don't usually "go out" and look, it's usually all looked up online first, then ordered, then picked up.03:54
jmarsdenI'm fortunate, in that my work pays for my smartphone... and I usually shop online too, but when I am out and see a "bargain", it is very handy to be able to google it to both check prices and check Linux compatibility, before removing the debit card from my wallet :)03:56
head_victimI just got a Motorola Defy for free with my current provider. I don't ever pay for phones, providers here generally have a small, lower end of phones to give away for nothing if you sign up for 24 months.03:57
bioterrorKM0201, I was sleeping04:48
KM0201bioterror: no biggie.. someone above had an interesting issue i'd not heard of04:49
bioterrorthat power thingie to menu?04:50
KM0201no04:53
KM0201iirc, shut down and restart, were not in his "logout" menu.04:53
KM0201it wasn't to long ago, i think your name was in the room, scroll up to the last bit of conversation here, genii-around, and headvictim04:54
bioterrorI checked04:54
bioterrorhe talks about menu04:55
bioterrorbut I'm still a little tired :D04:55
bioterrorand now I'm off to work, laters ;)04:55
KM0201yeah, i was gonna ask him that, then he disappeared, from what i gathered (between here and #ubuntu) when he clicked logout, shutdown and restart, werenm't in the options that popped up04:56
KM0201have fun04:56
jmarsdenhead_victim: I meant work pays not just for the physical phone itself, but for its monthly usage charges :)05:13
head_victimjmarsden: ah ok, I never use up the allowed amount on my plan as it is. But always good to have someone else paying for things05:13
jmarsdenKM0201: The issue with the missing shutdown and reboot buttons has been traced to starting X using startx instead of using LXDM starting automatically, so the tester was (accidentally) running a default LXDE theme not the Lubuntu theme...05:14
KM0201ohhhhh.. ok05:14
KM0201so he just needs to start lxdm automatically05:15
KM0201why would he need to use startx anyway?05:15
jmarsdenwell, his installation won't quite to that, but if he starts it using sudo service lxdm restart    it works , or something close to that.05:15
KM0201ic05:16
jmarsdenHis Alpha 1 install drops him to a shell prompt, for unknown reasons.05:16
KM0201oh ok.05:16
Unit193Isn't startfluxbox also the right command? (Was in an older version)05:17
jmarsdenWe've got fluxbox in the default Lubuntu install??  Really?05:22
* jmarsden checks...05:22
jmarsdenUnit193: That doesn't seem to be there for me in Lubuntu 11.04 or in 11.10 Alpha105:24
Unit193jmarsden: I didn't think so, but that command did work at some poing >.>05:25
jmarsdenPerhaps Lubuntu switched from fluxbox to openbox at some point in its history.05:26
Unit193jmarsden: startlubuntu works for me, how about you?05:28
jmarsdenUnit193: Yes, that's probably what he should use.  I didn't know it existed, I get the GUI automatically on my VMs and on the 'real' PCs I have installed Lubuntu on, so far.05:30
head_victimYeah the only issue I've had with my VM of 11.10 is the icons which is already reported05:39
head_victimOh and the desktop doesn't automatically resize when I click and drag the corners of the virtualbox program. But that's hardly a bug.05:42
jmarsdenhead_victim: The autoresize thing only works in virtualbox after you install the guest additions... did you do that in your alpha1 VM?05:51
head_victimjmarsden: yeah I thought I had, at least it said it had05:51
jmarsdenI don't remember if I did that to by lubuntua1 VM, I'll check05:52
head_victimJust doing it again to double check05:52
head_victimHmm failed, I'll retry and paste the error05:53
head_victimCan't copy from the window, odd05:55
head_victimHmm screenshot is too poor quality to read05:58
head_victimOH wait, it's whinging that it can't build kernel modules, I will install build-essentials and retry06:02
jmarsdenSounds like a plan :)06:02
head_victimI don't recall seeing an error msg the first time though06:02
head_victimLets see if this works06:03
head_victimWell now it sort of works06:13
head_victimAh there we go :D06:14
jmarsdenSeems to work for me, but takes its time for the panel to resize :)06:15
head_victimNice work, only using 90 MB of RAM on base install. Yeah I wasn't allowing enough time. Sometimes I even had to use a shortcut to bring up a terminal to make the panel come back06:16
head_victimBase up to date installation is 2.12 GB for /06:16
jmarsdenWell, that's the result of "this time we will leave recommends turned on" -- I think we might be able to optimize away some of that extra baggage later.06:18
head_victimExtra baggage? 2GB installation?06:18
head_victimOr the 90MB of ram?06:19
* head_victim is installing libreoffice for kicks06:20
jmarsdenMore than 2GB of installation.  90MB RAM is probably fine.06:26
head_victimI just installed libre office and set the language to enAU we'll see how much more that takes06:27
head_victimBugger all, still under 2.506:28
head_victimSo is the goal fitting it to a 2gb hdd? I can't seem to find much of anything in use less than 406:28
jmarsdenI'm not sure that is an official goal, but some early netbooks did come with 2GB SSDs.06:29
head_victimAh fair call then.06:29
head_victimI can only remember the eee's with 4 but if 2s are out there may as well try :D06:32
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jmarsdenhead_victim: 2GB eee pc: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=420908:30
jmarsdenBut now I need to sleep...08:31
head_victimNight mate08:55
poltaknitenite08:59
poltaksweet dream and think of me.08:59
=== bioterror is now known as Outo_Jopo-Mies
=== Outo_Jopo-Mies is now known as bioterror
elroshi10:01
elrosi'd like to propose some changes to the lubuntu-desktop package, is launchpad's blueprints the proper area for that?10:01
head_victimelros: either there or the mailing list10:20
elrosthanks10:21
head_victimelros: no worries, I look forward to hearing about your ideas10:22
elrosit seems that I cannot add blueprints to lubuntu-desktop in launchpad10:27
elrosmy proposal would be to drop some packages from dependencies to recommends, in the manner of xubuntu-desktop10:28
elrosthat would make the installation more flexible for users10:28
elrosit's of course possible that there's been previous discussions about default applications for the desktop10:31
[deXter]Hi all10:31
[deXter]Lubuntu doesn't seem to recognise my sound card10:31
[deXter]But it works fine in Ubuntu10:32
head_victimelros: I think there will be a few changes in that regard when we move to the official build servers10:32
[deXter]Any help will be appreciated, thanks.10:33
head_victim[deXter]: what sort of video card?10:33
[deXter]head_victim, sound, not video10:33
head_victimSorry, thought sound, typed video10:34
[deXter]according to AlsaMixer it's an "HDA ATI SB"10:34
[deXter]there's also an HD-Audio  Generic, but that's the HDMI port10:34
head_victimSo is anything showing at all in Lubuntu? Last time I saw this issue it was trying to use the HDMI audio instead of the sound card.10:36
[deXter]That could be the issue - how can I fix that?10:36
[deXter]I don't have any HDMI device to test if that's the case..10:36
head_victimThere'd be some way of doing it through alsamixergui10:44
[deXter]head_victim, a guy in #ubuntu said10:45
[deXter] sound settings -> hardware -> select required output10:45
[deXter]But there's no such option  in lubuntu :/10:45
head_victim[deXter]: yes, but I think Lubuntu handles sound differently10:45
head_victim[deXter]: go to a terminal and type "alsamixer"10:46
[deXter]Then?10:46
head_victimIt should pop up a window with some bars10:46
[deXter]yep10:46
head_victimPress F6 to select a card and it should give you several options10:47
[deXter]The default card is HDMI10:47
head_victimAh change that to the other one10:47
[deXter]so how can I change that10:47
head_victimUp and down arrows and then the enter button10:48
[deXter]Yeah but I can't play anything still..10:48
[deXter]It's not changing the default card used by the system10:48
elroshead_victim: I think I'll wait for the topic to arise in the mailing list and then pounce10:52
head_victimI'd also check all the values are not muted and up high enough10:52
head_victimelros: fair enough, I'm not a developer myself so don't know exactly what's involved.10:52
[deXter]head_victim, Yep they're all up high and not muted, it's clearly using the wrong sound card10:54
head_victim[deXter]: odd because going to alsamixer and changing it there SHOULD have changed it10:54
head_victimMaybe it needs sudo ?10:54
[deXter]O.o10:54
head_victimhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1043308110:55
[deXter]Hmm, no go10:57
[deXter]head_victim, Fixed it :)11:01
[deXter]I had to edit alsa-base.conf and change the index of the driver11:01
[deXter]So it doesn't get index 0 which is the default11:01
[deXter]after that I restarted alsa11:02
head_victim[deXter]: glad to hear you got it sorted, sorry I couldn't help quicker11:02
[deXter]and now in alsamixer the default card is shown :)11:02
[deXter]head_victim, How and where can I file a bugreport? :)11:03
head_victimNot sure if that would be an alsa bug or a Lubuntu bug?11:05
[deXter]Well it's not present in Ubuntu or Mint11:05
[deXter]so unless they fixed it internally and havent submitted it upstream..11:06
head_victimHmm compare alsa versions?11:06
[deXter]hmm11:06
[deXter]it's the same version11:09
[deXter]1.0.24.111:09
[deXter]Well, according to distrowatch, anyways11:09
head_victimHmm well alsa don't use launchpad for bug tracking but you can file one against Lubuntu at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop if you think that's the best place for it11:14
[deXter]thanks11:18
jgrateroTrying to force an app into autostart14:03
jgraterobut having some doubts here14:03
jgrateroguides over LXDE autostart talk about an autostart folder in the .config folder14:03
jgrateroI have no such folder14:04
bioterrorcommon sense says to create one14:04
jgrateroI haven't thought about it14:05
jgraterothanks14:05
bioterroryou're welcome ;)14:05
jgrateroI was trying to install dropbox, so far I was ok14:07
jgraterobut I needed to adjust the autostart option14:07
bigjockerI had to come here and say that lubuntu has returned the fun to linux :D16:48
bodhi_zazenbigjocker: lubuntu is nice17:07
silverarrow_can dillo be used in lubuntu?17:25
silverarrow_a tiny browser17:25
silverarrow_I am using opera17:25
silverarrow_so no dillo?17:30
KM0201silverarrow_: if it's a linux app, i don't see why you couldn't use it17:40
KM0201!info dillo17:40
ubot5Package dillo does not exist in natty17:40
silverarrow_I discovered that too17:41
KM0201!info epiphany17:42
ubot5epiphany (source: epiphany): clone of Boulder Dash game. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.0-4 (natty), package size 85 kB, installed size 296 kB17:42
KM0201!info epiphany-browser17:42
ubot5epiphany-browser (source: epiphany-browser): Intuitive GNOME web browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.30.6-1ubuntu5 (natty), package size 344 kB, installed size 968 kB17:42
silverarrow_and on the dillo homepage there's no direct download eiter?17:42
KM0201silverarrow_: i know dillo is a browser, what is it, a text browser?17:42
silverarrow_I can try epiphany17:42
silverarrow_only text, no pictures, flash or scripts17:43
KM0201!info links17:43
ubot5links (source: links2): Web browser running in text mode. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.3~pre1-1 (natty), package size 500 kB, installed size 1144 kB17:43
silverarrow_cool17:43
silverarrow_lots of browsers I never knew about17:43
KM0201there's a bunch.17:44
silverarrow_I discovered dillo in the latest puppy linux17:44
Ahmuckwhat's stable?18:53
AhmuckLTS?18:53
Ahmuck10.10?18:53
bioterror11.04 ;)18:54
bioterror10.04 is "stable" as it supports i586 machines18:54
bioterrorlxde is so new, that it evolves all the time ;)18:56
elrosAhmuck: 10.04 is the LTS version, becomes obsolete with 13.04, the biggest drawback with it is the 0.5.2 pcmanfm20:47
elrosif you want the improvements with 0.9.x, then you can install 11.04 (or even 11.10 if you feel the need)20:48
szczurelros, in lubuntu ppa there is pcmanfm 0.9.8 available for lucid20:51
elrossounds good, i think it's worth the upgrade20:52
phillwelros: Ahmuck 10.04 Lubuntu is NOT an LTS, it is a stable beta. The very small team have, however, committed themselves to supporting via the ppa all things that are possible for as long as possible (The hope is that we can treat it as an LTS, but we are scarce on devs). Lubuntu's 1st LTS will be 12.04.21:16
elrosphillw: thanks for the correction, I'll advise everyone to keep upgrading21:19
elrosalso because there's less fuss/development with lxde than with gnome21:21
phillw10,04 still uses the ppa, the devs (and they are few), are about to get their heads around the 'official' iso building stuff, along with dev work for 11.10. The commitment is there, and they will do everything that they can. There are, however, only so many hours in a day for our devs who also have full time jobs.21:22
phillwUnless some one specifically needs 10.04 (for the i586 chips), my honest advice would be to run with 11.04.21:24
phillwI will enquire as to when pcman thinks he may be able to backport the most stable pcmanfm into 10.04.21:31
dzoneHi all, is Ubiquity crash during install fixed already?22:07
dzoneI can't install neither Ubuntu nor Lubuntu :(22:07
bioterror!mini | dzone22:13
ubot5dzone: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD22:13
bioterroryou can take mini or alternative22:13
dzoneOk, but a week ago I tried  to install Lubuntu and Ubuquity crashed, will MiniCD install go trough full installation without ubiquity problems?22:15
bioterroryes22:16
bioterrorwhen you have mini installed, you need to install lubuntu-desktop22:16
dzonebioterror, I'll try it, Thank you!22:17
bioterrorI recommend twisted pair cable connection22:17
bioterrorethernet22:17
bioterrorduring the installation22:18
dzoneI agree but I have only WiFi Connection, will it work?22:20
dzonewith external wifi adapter tp-link22:20
bioterrorI dunno, I've never used wifi with minimal. even considered that option22:25
* phillw there is no WiFi in the minimal install system - it MUST be hooked up by ethernet.22:28
dzoneThanks!22:29
phillwdzone: if ubiquity is failing because of lack of RAM (you need ~256) there is an alternate iso at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#10.10 Which should install without Ethernet22:34
dzoneI have 256 but it crash22:35
dzoneI dont know if it is because of the RAM, I want Lubuntu because it is lighter for my old PC22:36
dzoneThanks for helping me! See you again here ;)22:43
elrosdzone: if you are very low on memory / disk space, you can also skip lubuntu-desktop and install just lubuntu-core22:44
dzonewill it give me Lubuntu desktop interface22:45
elrosit will give you the bare essentials22:45
elrosremember to install lxterminal alongside it :)22:46
elroshttp://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lubuntu-desktop and http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lubuntu-core22:46
dzoneaha, ok. I need only the simple things22:46
dzoneI am not developer :D22:46
dzoneI see the difference in these two links :)22:47
elrosif you don't need all of lubuntu-desktop, install lubuntu-core and other packages when you need 'em22:48
dzoneyes, I think this is my way to Lubuntu22:49
bioterroryou can then also drop lxde and use plain openbox with tint2 or another panel22:49
elrosjust remember, that if you ask questions, people on this channel will assume that you have lubuntu-desktop, so "buyer beware"22:49
bioterrorelros, people nowdays likes to have a complete desktop environment22:51
elrosand you will get one with lubuntu-desktop22:52
dzoneI like the complete  desktop, bt I just don't need it on that old PC22:52
dzoneso I'll play around the core22:53
dzoneThanks guys, and good night! See you!22:55
bioterrorsilverarrow, you have your aeropress? :)23:50
silverarrowno, it is slow23:51
bioterror:(23:51
silverarrowI have ordered23:51
silverarrowmaybe tomorrow23:51
silverarrownot unlikely23:51
silverarrowso you aeropress has been in used today?23:52
bioterrorsure :)23:52
bioterrorI use it every day23:52
bioterrorand I love it23:52
silverarrowcool23:52
silverarrowit comes with 300 something filter pads23:52
bioterrormakes me pour my coffee at work down the drain23:52
bioterror35023:52
bioterroryou can reuse them23:53
silverarrowlike a years supply, if I don't go totally mad using it all the time23:53
bioterroryeah, but new box of filters costs like 9euros23:53
silverarrowI see23:53
bioterrornot that expensive23:53
silverarrowyes, no problem23:53
bioterrorgood night23:53
silverarrowand 350 is plenty23:53
silverarrowgood night23:53

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