[02:17] <Unit193> genii-around: Howdy!
[02:17] <genii-around> Unit193: Hi :) Just seeing how many are here, someone asking an LXDE q in #ubuntu
[02:20] <KM0201> o/
[02:20] <KM0201> not that i'm all that smart.. :)
[02:21] <head_victim> genii-around: what was the question?
[02:21] <genii-around> I may return later
[02:22] <genii-around> head_victim: "<volkswagner> how can I show "shutdown" and "Reboot" options running LXDE on Ubuntu 11.04?  Usually in Debian I add user to powerdev group, but this group does not even exist for 11.04"
[02:22] <KM0201> genii-around: thats weird, thsoe options are there for me.
[02:23] <genii-around> I just pointed them here in case someone around knows
[02:24]  * genii-around waves, leaves behind a complimentary pot of coffee
[02:24] <Unit193> Him and his coffee...
[02:25] <KM0201> lol
[02:25] <head_victim> volkswagner: so you've created a new user I assume?
[02:27] <volkswagner> oops I tried to join #Lubuntu
[02:27] <KM0201> lol
[02:27] <KM0201> you're in lubuntu
[02:27] <volkswagner> Greetings then... LOL
[02:28] <KM0201> o/
[02:28] <volkswagner> how can I show in menu "shutdown" and "Reboot" options running LXDE on Ubuntu 11.04?  Usually in Debian I add user to powerdev group, but this group does not even exist for 11.04
[02:29] <volkswagner> give permissions I guess may be better, but even logging in as root these options don't appear in the shutdown menu.... just 'logout' and 'cancel'
[02:29] <head_victim> I'm trying to find something for you volkswagner, it's not something I've actually seen before
[02:30] <volkswagner> I would have loved to use Lubuntu but my hard drive is limited to 512MB!  WebDT366 LX800 tablet
[02:34] <head_victim> I can't see any groups for that actually, it's odd.
[02:34] <head_victim> As I'm not the most technical person I know I'd suggest writing a quick email to the mailing list at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop and seeing if someone there can help you further
[02:35] <volkswagner> yeah, this little project has a few hurdles, this is one of my last major hoops I hope
[02:35] <head_victim> I'd say it's got something to do with being a minimal install but I'm not sure what else you'd need to install to make it work
[02:36] <KM0201> hmmm
[02:36] <volkswagner> head_victim: thanks, I'll send out an email, folks at #ubuntu sent me here, as nobody there had any input :(
[02:37] <head_victim> volkswagner: no problems, there's usually someone hanging around in here.
[02:39] <KM0201> where's Unit193 ?
[02:39] <KM0201> or bioterror
[03:30] <LAcan> guys, im thinking of setting up a webcam surveillance system on my lubuntu box... any tips or ideas?
[03:38] <head_victim> LAcan: I've heard good things about zoneminder
[03:38] <LAcan> ya im taking a look at that right now
[03:38] <LAcan> any tips on picking a cheap webcam that will work easy with lubuntu?
[03:40] <head_victim> Depends on what you call a webcam and depends on what you call cheap ;)
[03:42] <head_victim> If you just want a USB based thing I"d look at http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/cameras
[03:42] <head_victim> For real ip cameras, I have no idea sorry
[03:43] <LAcan> cheap webcam
[03:44] <head_victim> http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_hardware has a list
[03:44] <head_victim> But none of them really give prices
[03:45] <LAcan> ya ill just head to chinatown... thanks for the list, but it seems a little sparse.. does ubuntu maintain a lrger list or is that it?
[03:45] <head_victim> The main thing to look for is that it's UVC compliant
[03:45] <LAcan> UVC?
[03:45] <head_victim> But most cheaper stuff won't say much of anything.
[03:45] <head_victim> If you can, take a Lubuntu laptop with you and see if you can plug it in before buying
[03:46] <LAcan> i have ubuntu on both my lappies but lubuntu only on desktop...
[03:46] <head_victim> If it works on Ubuntu it should be working on Lubuntu
[03:46] <LAcan> kk
[03:46] <LAcan> whats UVC?
[03:47] <head_victim> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_video_device_class
[03:49] <LAcan> head_victim, from reading that link it seems that anything "certified for vista" or 7(?) must be UVC compatible... safe to assume that those will work with ubuntu?
[03:52] <head_victim> I hate assuming anything with hardware but seems plausible.
[03:52] <head_victim> I generally go look for what I want, come home and google it to make sure it works, then go back and buy it.
[03:52] <head_victim> It's save me heaps of heartache over the years.
[03:53] <jmarsden> head_victim: If you take a smartphone with you, you don't need to do the "come home and" and "then go back and" steps :)
[03:54] <head_victim> jmarsden: touche. I've only very recently acquired a smartphone though ;) Also I don't usually "go out" and look, it's usually all looked up online first, then ordered, then picked up.
[03:56] <jmarsden> I'm fortunate, in that my work pays for my smartphone... and I usually shop online too, but when I am out and see a "bargain", it is very handy to be able to google it to both check prices and check Linux compatibility, before removing the debit card from my wallet :)
[03:57] <head_victim> I just got a Motorola Defy for free with my current provider. I don't ever pay for phones, providers here generally have a small, lower end of phones to give away for nothing if you sign up for 24 months.
[04:48] <bioterror> KM0201, I was sleeping
[04:49] <KM0201> bioterror: no biggie.. someone above had an interesting issue i'd not heard of
[04:50] <bioterror> that power thingie to menu?
[04:53] <KM0201> no
[04:53] <KM0201> iirc, shut down and restart, were not in his "logout" menu.
[04:54] <KM0201> it wasn't to long ago, i think your name was in the room, scroll up to the last bit of conversation here, genii-around, and headvictim
[04:54] <bioterror> I checked
[04:55] <bioterror> he talks about menu
[04:55] <bioterror> but I'm still a little tired :D
[04:55] <bioterror> and now I'm off to work, laters ;)
[04:56] <KM0201> yeah, i was gonna ask him that, then he disappeared, from what i gathered (between here and #ubuntu) when he clicked logout, shutdown and restart, werenm't in the options that popped up
[04:56] <KM0201> have fun
[05:13] <jmarsden> head_victim: I meant work pays not just for the physical phone itself, but for its monthly usage charges :)
[05:13] <head_victim> jmarsden: ah ok, I never use up the allowed amount on my plan as it is. But always good to have someone else paying for things
[05:14] <jmarsden> KM0201: The issue with the missing shutdown and reboot buttons has been traced to starting X using startx instead of using LXDM starting automatically, so the tester was (accidentally) running a default LXDE theme not the Lubuntu theme...
[05:14] <KM0201> ohhhhh.. ok
[05:15] <KM0201> so he just needs to start lxdm automatically
[05:15] <KM0201> why would he need to use startx anyway?
[05:15] <jmarsden> well, his installation won't quite to that, but if he starts it using sudo service lxdm restart    it works , or something close to that.
[05:16] <KM0201> ic
[05:16] <jmarsden> His Alpha 1 install drops him to a shell prompt, for unknown reasons.
[05:16] <KM0201> oh ok.
[05:17] <Unit193> Isn't startfluxbox also the right command? (Was in an older version)
[05:22] <jmarsden> We've got fluxbox in the default Lubuntu install??  Really?
[05:22]  * jmarsden checks...
[05:24] <jmarsden> Unit193: That doesn't seem to be there for me in Lubuntu 11.04 or in 11.10 Alpha1
[05:25] <Unit193> jmarsden: I didn't think so, but that command did work at some poing >.>
[05:26] <jmarsden> Perhaps Lubuntu switched from fluxbox to openbox at some point in its history.
[05:28] <Unit193> jmarsden: startlubuntu works for me, how about you?
[05:30] <jmarsden> Unit193: Yes, that's probably what he should use.  I didn't know it existed, I get the GUI automatically on my VMs and on the 'real' PCs I have installed Lubuntu on, so far.
[05:39] <head_victim> Yeah the only issue I've had with my VM of 11.10 is the icons which is already reported
[05:42] <head_victim> Oh and the desktop doesn't automatically resize when I click and drag the corners of the virtualbox program. But that's hardly a bug.
[05:51] <jmarsden> head_victim: The autoresize thing only works in virtualbox after you install the guest additions... did you do that in your alpha1 VM?
[05:51] <head_victim> jmarsden: yeah I thought I had, at least it said it had
[05:52] <jmarsden> I don't remember if I did that to by lubuntua1 VM, I'll check
[05:52] <head_victim> Just doing it again to double check
[05:53] <head_victim> Hmm failed, I'll retry and paste the error
[05:55] <head_victim> Can't copy from the window, odd
[05:58] <head_victim> Hmm screenshot is too poor quality to read
[06:02] <head_victim> OH wait, it's whinging that it can't build kernel modules, I will install build-essentials and retry
[06:02] <jmarsden> Sounds like a plan :)
[06:02] <head_victim> I don't recall seeing an error msg the first time though
[06:03] <head_victim> Lets see if this works
[06:13] <head_victim> Well now it sort of works
[06:14] <head_victim> Ah there we go :D
[06:15] <jmarsden> Seems to work for me, but takes its time for the panel to resize :)
[06:16] <head_victim> Nice work, only using 90 MB of RAM on base install. Yeah I wasn't allowing enough time. Sometimes I even had to use a shortcut to bring up a terminal to make the panel come back
[06:16] <head_victim> Base up to date installation is 2.12 GB for /
[06:18] <jmarsden> Well, that's the result of "this time we will leave recommends turned on" -- I think we might be able to optimize away some of that extra baggage later.
[06:18] <head_victim> Extra baggage? 2GB installation?
[06:19] <head_victim> Or the 90MB of ram?
[06:20]  * head_victim is installing libreoffice for kicks
[06:26] <jmarsden> More than 2GB of installation.  90MB RAM is probably fine.
[06:27] <head_victim> I just installed libre office and set the language to enAU we'll see how much more that takes
[06:28] <head_victim> Bugger all, still under 2.5
[06:28] <head_victim> So is the goal fitting it to a 2gb hdd? I can't seem to find much of anything in use less than 4
[06:29] <jmarsden> I'm not sure that is an official goal, but some early netbooks did come with 2GB SSDs.
[06:29] <head_victim> Ah fair call then.
[06:32] <head_victim> I can only remember the eee's with 4 but if 2s are out there may as well try :D
[08:30] <jmarsden> head_victim: 2GB eee pc: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4209
[08:31] <jmarsden> But now I need to sleep...
[08:55] <head_victim> Night mate
[08:59] <poltak> nitenite
[08:59] <poltak> sweet dream and think of me.
[10:01] <elros> hi
[10:01] <elros> i'd like to propose some changes to the lubuntu-desktop package, is launchpad's blueprints the proper area for that?
[10:20] <head_victim> elros: either there or the mailing list
[10:21] <elros> thanks
[10:22] <head_victim> elros: no worries, I look forward to hearing about your ideas
[10:27] <elros> it seems that I cannot add blueprints to lubuntu-desktop in launchpad
[10:28] <elros> my proposal would be to drop some packages from dependencies to recommends, in the manner of xubuntu-desktop
[10:28] <elros> that would make the installation more flexible for users
[10:31] <elros> it's of course possible that there's been previous discussions about default applications for the desktop
[10:31] <[deXter]> Hi all
[10:31] <[deXter]> Lubuntu doesn't seem to recognise my sound card
[10:32] <[deXter]> But it works fine in Ubuntu
[10:32] <head_victim> elros: I think there will be a few changes in that regard when we move to the official build servers
[10:33] <[deXter]> Any help will be appreciated, thanks.
[10:33] <head_victim> [deXter]: what sort of video card?
[10:33] <[deXter]> head_victim, sound, not video
[10:34] <head_victim> Sorry, thought sound, typed video
[10:34] <[deXter]> according to AlsaMixer it's an "HDA ATI SB"
[10:34] <[deXter]> there's also an HD-Audio  Generic, but that's the HDMI port
[10:36] <head_victim> So is anything showing at all in Lubuntu? Last time I saw this issue it was trying to use the HDMI audio instead of the sound card.
[10:36] <[deXter]> That could be the issue - how can I fix that?
[10:36] <[deXter]> I don't have any HDMI device to test if that's the case..
[10:44] <head_victim> There'd be some way of doing it through alsamixergui
[10:45] <[deXter]> head_victim, a guy in #ubuntu said
[10:45] <[deXter]>  sound settings -> hardware -> select required output
[10:45] <[deXter]> But there's no such option  in lubuntu :/
[10:45] <head_victim> [deXter]: yes, but I think Lubuntu handles sound differently
[10:46] <head_victim> [deXter]: go to a terminal and type "alsamixer"
[10:46] <[deXter]> Then?
[10:46] <head_victim> It should pop up a window with some bars
[10:46] <[deXter]> yep
[10:47] <head_victim> Press F6 to select a card and it should give you several options
[10:47] <[deXter]> The default card is HDMI
[10:47] <head_victim> Ah change that to the other one
[10:47] <[deXter]> so how can I change that
[10:48] <head_victim> Up and down arrows and then the enter button
[10:48] <[deXter]> Yeah but I can't play anything still..
[10:48] <[deXter]> It's not changing the default card used by the system
[10:52] <elros> head_victim: I think I'll wait for the topic to arise in the mailing list and then pounce
[10:52] <head_victim> I'd also check all the values are not muted and up high enough
[10:52] <head_victim> elros: fair enough, I'm not a developer myself so don't know exactly what's involved.
[10:54] <[deXter]> head_victim, Yep they're all up high and not muted, it's clearly using the wrong sound card
[10:54] <head_victim> [deXter]: odd because going to alsamixer and changing it there SHOULD have changed it
[10:54] <head_victim> Maybe it needs sudo ?
[10:54] <[deXter]> O.o
[10:55] <head_victim> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10433081
[10:57] <[deXter]> Hmm, no go
[11:01] <[deXter]> head_victim, Fixed it :)
[11:01] <[deXter]> I had to edit alsa-base.conf and change the index of the driver
[11:01] <[deXter]> So it doesn't get index 0 which is the default
[11:02] <[deXter]> after that I restarted alsa
[11:02] <head_victim> [deXter]: glad to hear you got it sorted, sorry I couldn't help quicker
[11:02] <[deXter]> and now in alsamixer the default card is shown :)
[11:03] <[deXter]> head_victim, How and where can I file a bugreport? :)
[11:05] <head_victim> Not sure if that would be an alsa bug or a Lubuntu bug?
[11:05] <[deXter]> Well it's not present in Ubuntu or Mint
[11:06] <[deXter]> so unless they fixed it internally and havent submitted it upstream..
[11:06] <head_victim> Hmm compare alsa versions?
[11:06] <[deXter]> hmm
[11:09] <[deXter]> it's the same version
[11:09] <[deXter]> 1.0.24.1
[11:09] <[deXter]> Well, according to distrowatch, anyways
[11:14] <head_victim> Hmm well alsa don't use launchpad for bug tracking but you can file one against Lubuntu at https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop if you think that's the best place for it
[11:18] <[deXter]> thanks
[14:03] <jgratero> Trying to force an app into autostart
[14:03] <jgratero> but having some doubts here
[14:03] <jgratero> guides over LXDE autostart talk about an autostart folder in the .config folder
[14:04] <jgratero> I have no such folder
[14:04] <bioterror> common sense says to create one
[14:05] <jgratero> I haven't thought about it
[14:05] <jgratero> thanks
[14:05] <bioterror> you're welcome ;)
[14:07] <jgratero> I was trying to install dropbox, so far I was ok
[14:07] <jgratero> but I needed to adjust the autostart option
[16:48] <bigjocker> I had to come here and say that lubuntu has returned the fun to linux :D
[17:07] <bodhi_zazen> bigjocker: lubuntu is nice
[17:25] <silverarrow_> can dillo be used in lubuntu?
[17:25] <silverarrow_> a tiny browser
[17:25] <silverarrow_> I am using opera
[17:30] <silverarrow_> so no dillo?
[17:40] <KM0201> silverarrow_: if it's a linux app, i don't see why you couldn't use it
[17:40] <KM0201> !info dillo
[17:41] <silverarrow_> I discovered that too
[17:42] <KM0201> !info epiphany
[17:42] <KM0201> !info epiphany-browser
[17:42] <silverarrow_> and on the dillo homepage there's no direct download eiter?
[17:42] <KM0201> silverarrow_: i know dillo is a browser, what is it, a text browser?
[17:42] <silverarrow_> I can try epiphany
[17:43] <silverarrow_> only text, no pictures, flash or scripts
[17:43] <KM0201> !info links
[17:43] <silverarrow_> cool
[17:43] <silverarrow_> lots of browsers I never knew about
[17:44] <KM0201> there's a bunch.
[17:44] <silverarrow_> I discovered dillo in the latest puppy linux
[18:53] <Ahmuck> what's stable?
[18:53] <Ahmuck> LTS?
[18:53] <Ahmuck> 10.10?
[18:54] <bioterror> 11.04 ;)
[18:54] <bioterror> 10.04 is "stable" as it supports i586 machines
[18:56] <bioterror> lxde is so new, that it evolves all the time ;)
[20:47] <elros> Ahmuck: 10.04 is the LTS version, becomes obsolete with 13.04, the biggest drawback with it is the 0.5.2 pcmanfm
[20:48] <elros> if you want the improvements with 0.9.x, then you can install 11.04 (or even 11.10 if you feel the need)
[20:51] <szczur> elros, in lubuntu ppa there is pcmanfm 0.9.8 available for lucid
[20:52] <elros> sounds good, i think it's worth the upgrade
[21:16] <phillw> elros: Ahmuck 10.04 Lubuntu is NOT an LTS, it is a stable beta. The very small team have, however, committed themselves to supporting via the ppa all things that are possible for as long as possible (The hope is that we can treat it as an LTS, but we are scarce on devs). Lubuntu's 1st LTS will be 12.04.
[21:19] <elros> phillw: thanks for the correction, I'll advise everyone to keep upgrading
[21:21] <elros> also because there's less fuss/development with lxde than with gnome
[21:22] <phillw> 10,04 still uses the ppa, the devs (and they are few), are about to get their heads around the 'official' iso building stuff, along with dev work for 11.10. The commitment is there, and they will do everything that they can. There are, however, only so many hours in a day for our devs who also have full time jobs.
[21:24] <phillw> Unless some one specifically needs 10.04 (for the i586 chips), my honest advice would be to run with 11.04.
[21:31] <phillw> I will enquire as to when pcman thinks he may be able to backport the most stable pcmanfm into 10.04.
[22:07] <dzone> Hi all, is Ubiquity crash during install fixed already?
[22:07] <dzone> I can't install neither Ubuntu nor Lubuntu :(
[22:13] <bioterror> !mini | dzone
[22:13] <bioterror> you can take mini or alternative
[22:15] <dzone> Ok, but a week ago I tried  to install Lubuntu and Ubuquity crashed, will MiniCD install go trough full installation without ubiquity problems?
[22:16] <bioterror> yes
[22:16] <bioterror> when you have mini installed, you need to install lubuntu-desktop
[22:17] <dzone> bioterror, I'll try it, Thank you!
[22:17] <bioterror> I recommend twisted pair cable connection
[22:17] <bioterror> ethernet
[22:18] <bioterror> during the installation
[22:20] <dzone> I agree but I have only WiFi Connection, will it work?
[22:20] <dzone> with external wifi adapter tp-link
[22:25] <bioterror> I dunno, I've never used wifi with minimal. even considered that option
[22:28]  * phillw there is no WiFi in the minimal install system - it MUST be hooked up by ethernet.
[22:29] <dzone> Thanks!
[22:34] <phillw> dzone: if ubiquity is failing because of lack of RAM (you need ~256) there is an alternate iso at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#10.10 Which should install without Ethernet
[22:35] <dzone> I have 256 but it crash
[22:36] <dzone> I dont know if it is because of the RAM, I want Lubuntu because it is lighter for my old PC
[22:43] <dzone> Thanks for helping me! See you again here ;)
[22:44] <elros> dzone: if you are very low on memory / disk space, you can also skip lubuntu-desktop and install just lubuntu-core
[22:45] <dzone> will it give me Lubuntu desktop interface
[22:45] <elros> it will give you the bare essentials
[22:46] <elros> remember to install lxterminal alongside it :)
[22:46] <elros> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lubuntu-desktop and http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/lubuntu-core
[22:46] <dzone> aha, ok. I need only the simple things
[22:46] <dzone> I am not developer :D
[22:47] <dzone> I see the difference in these two links :)
[22:48] <elros> if you don't need all of lubuntu-desktop, install lubuntu-core and other packages when you need 'em
[22:49] <dzone> yes, I think this is my way to Lubuntu
[22:49] <bioterror> you can then also drop lxde and use plain openbox with tint2 or another panel
[22:49] <elros> just remember, that if you ask questions, people on this channel will assume that you have lubuntu-desktop, so "buyer beware"
[22:51] <bioterror> elros, people nowdays likes to have a complete desktop environment
[22:52] <elros> and you will get one with lubuntu-desktop
[22:52] <dzone> I like the complete  desktop, bt I just don't need it on that old PC
[22:53] <dzone> so I'll play around the core
[22:55] <dzone> Thanks guys, and good night! See you!
[23:50] <bioterror> silverarrow, you have your aeropress? :)
[23:51] <silverarrow> no, it is slow
[23:51] <bioterror> :(
[23:51] <silverarrow> I have ordered
[23:51] <silverarrow> maybe tomorrow
[23:51] <silverarrow> not unlikely
[23:52] <silverarrow> so you aeropress has been in used today?
[23:52] <bioterror> sure :)
[23:52] <bioterror> I use it every day
[23:52] <bioterror> and I love it
[23:52] <silverarrow> cool
[23:52] <silverarrow> it comes with 300 something filter pads
[23:52] <bioterror> makes me pour my coffee at work down the drain
[23:52] <bioterror> 350
[23:53] <bioterror> you can reuse them
[23:53] <silverarrow> like a years supply, if I don't go totally mad using it all the time
[23:53] <bioterror> yeah, but new box of filters costs like 9euros
[23:53] <silverarrow> I see
[23:53] <bioterror> not that expensive
[23:53] <silverarrow> yes, no problem
[23:53] <bioterror> good night
[23:53] <silverarrow> and 350 is plenty
[23:53] <silverarrow> good night