[04:35] <nigelb> good morning
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <nigelb> hey dholbach
[08:33] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[08:33] <nigelb> dholbach: I talked to the openhatch folks last night/early today morning.
[08:34] <dholbach> how did it go?
[08:34] <nigelb> They're very much interested in us using openhatch to fill in the "need volunteers" and "I want to help" scenario.
[08:35] <dholbach> what would we have to do?
[08:35] <nigelb> There's a lot of intersect between the 2 communities, since paulproteus who found the project is also a DD and friend of a bunch of people in Ubuntu
[08:35] <nigelb> dholbach: I think we need to use the platform, but if you want you can talk to them at #openhatch
[08:36] <dholbach> what specifically would we have to change?
[08:36] <nigelb> I don't think we have to change anything,
[08:36] <nigelb> Openhatch gives us a medium and we'd need to use it.
[08:37] <dholbach> do you know which information we would have to feed in there?
[08:37] <dholbach> do you know if there's additional features that'd be valuable for us?
[08:38] <nigelb> dholbach: At this point, I can't comment. I've not looked at openhatch website in a while.  If you want I can look that up and get back to you.
[08:38] <dholbach> if you want to, that's great - I guess I'll also have a look
[08:38] <dholbach> not today, as I have something else to finish to day, but probably some time this week
[08:39] <nigelb> Great
[08:39] <dpm> morning all
[08:39] <nigelb> morning dpm
[08:53] <kim0> Morning everyone
[08:53] <kim0> nigelb: dholbach dpm  o/
[08:53] <kim0> The usual early birds
[08:55] <dholbach> hey kim0, hey dpm
[09:07] <dpm> hey dholbach, kim0, nigelb :)
[09:18] <nigelb> kim0: Morning!
[09:20] <nigelb> Firefox downloads just crossed 200,000,000. Wow.
[09:25] <AlanBell> and that doesn't include many linux users
[09:31] <nigelb> True, I'm using the PPA for both my machines.
[11:16] <czajkowski> have had 1 guy mail me twice over the weekend since jono mailed me and ccd him to help him with his team, last one asking when I was going to get back to him, clearly weekend doesn't matter with a teams enthuasim :)
[12:25] <greg-g> czajkowski: the weekend is usually the volunteer's time to get things done with their hobby :)
[12:25] <czajkowski> greg-g: and some people like to relax and do non geeky stuff
[12:25] <czajkowski> 3 mails is a lot to get from a person
[12:25] <czajkowski> :)
[12:26] <greg-g> true, that is excessive
[12:38] <nigelb> Anyone sub'd to launchpad.net/summit might kill me for what I did over the weekend.  Triaged a bunch of bugs, marked them bitesize, fixed a bunch, requested merge, :)
[12:57] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:32] <greg-g> nigelb: I would love you, actually
[14:46] <nigelb> greg-g: heh :)
[14:46] <nigelb> greg-g: Unless you're the person who has to review all the branches.  I'm not sure if mhall119 wants to hug me or stab me right now :P
[14:46] <mhall119> stabbing-hug
[14:47] <mhall119> isn't Daviey around to review summit MPs?
[14:47] <nigelb> I'm not sure how much time he has, let me ask him.
[14:52] <mhall119> "-from BeautifulSoup import BeautifulSoup" may be the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in a diff
[14:52] <mhall119> props to nigelb
[15:55] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:56] <jono> howdy dholbach
[15:56] <jono> hows things?
[15:57] <dholbach> good good - internet is still not working, so I went to my old office today and it's good to see the guys there again :)
[15:58] <jono> dholbach, cool :-)
[15:58] <dholbach> how about you?
[16:00] <jono> kim0, all set?
[16:00] <jono> dholbach, all good here thanks :-)
[16:00]  * kim0 plugs the mic
[16:01] <kim0> jono: ready
[16:12] <Daviey> mhall119, bah
[16:15] <mhall119> :)
[16:51] <jono> dholbach, want to bring our call forward?
[16:51] <dholbach> sure, why not - give me a sec
[16:52] <jono> dholbach, np
[16:52] <dholbach> jono, rock on
[17:08] <jono> jcastro, want to bring our call earlier?
[17:08] <jono> jcastro, have some interesting updates
[17:10] <dholbach> jono, bah, you didn't tell me about those interesting updates! now I'm curious! :)
[17:10] <jono> dholbach, they are about you
[17:10] <jono> LOL
[17:10] <jono> j/k
[17:10]  * dholbach storms out
[17:11] <jono> just some quality improvments re. Unity
[17:11] <dholbach> nice
[17:16] <jcastro> jono: we can, I'd like to bring DBO in, I've been trying to snag him all day but he's been in  meetings.
[17:16] <jcastro> jono: I've got some stuff all set ready to go, just need to sync up
[17:17] <jcastro> jono: ok I'm going to lunch now then
[17:17] <jono> jcastro, np, we can chat later
[17:17] <jono> happy to chat now if you have time though
[17:17] <jcastro> yeah
[17:17] <jcastro> ring me up!
[17:17] <jono> is DBO essential to the call?
[17:17] <jono> ok cool
[17:18] <jcastro> eventually
[17:18] <jcastro> but it wouldn't hurt for us to sync up first
[17:18] <jono> yup
[17:24] <dholbach> alright - I call it a day
[17:24] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:24] <dholbach> have a great rest of your day
[17:26] <nhandler> You too dholbach
[17:39] <nigelb> Some days are awesome.
[17:39] <nigelb> I was trying to organize something around FTBFS.
[17:39] <nigelb> Randomly a Canonical employee pings me and volunteers to help :)
[17:40] <nigelb> I didn't even know him at all.
[17:41] <koolhead17> nigelb: canonical loves you, because you love ubuntu :)
[17:41] <nigelb> koolhead17: Not really. Its only about the person rather than where they work at.
[17:42] <koolhead17> Okey. as you say.
[17:42] <koolhead17> kim0: ping
[19:30] <jono> jcastro, can you give me the link to the Unity bitesize bug list?
[19:30] <jcastro> it's in the topic of #ayatana
[19:31] <jcastro> http://goo.gl/tiheb
[19:32] <jono> thanks jcastro
[19:34] <jcastro> jono: check this out
[19:35] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/727901
[19:35] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 727901 in ayatana-design "When dragging and dropping a file on to the Launcher, the Launcher icons that are valid drop receptacles don't highlight until the cursor is over the launcher." [Critical,Fix released]
[19:35] <jcastro> the new template IN ACTION.
[19:35] <jcastro> (see below the [19:36] <jcastro> we're putting these on every one of these backlog bugs
[19:37] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/backlog
[19:37] <jcastro> here's what the milestone will look like
[19:37] <jcastro> (note, it's currently a mess, I'm about 1/3 of the way through)
[19:37] <paultag> jcastro: hey big guy, can I use you for a ref' for a job I'm going for tommorow?
[19:38] <jcastro> NO.
[19:38] <jono> jcastro, that is awesome
[19:38] <jcastro> (of course)
[19:38] <paultag> jcastro: you rock, thanks man.
[19:38] <jcastro> jono: we're going to put the plan in each bug
[19:38] <jcastro> it will suck for jason right now
[19:38] <jcastro> but each one he does removes it from his list
[19:38] <jcastro> and helps people fix it faster
[19:39] <jcastro> so it's more of a plant now, harvest later
[19:39] <jono> totally
[19:39] <jono> jcastro, jason said this really helped last cycle
[19:39] <jcastro> yeah
[19:39] <jcastro> he writes this kind of thing down for himself /anyway/
[19:39] <jcastro> this just puts it in the bug
[19:39] <jono> jcastro, I am just working on a blog post about how indicators could raise the visibility of work, just did some mock-ups
[19:39] <jono> will get it online soon
[19:40] <jcastro> ok
[19:40] <jcastro> I'm going to be grinding lp for the rest of the day I bet, so you'll know where to find me
[19:40] <jcastro> some of these are all sorts of triaged wrong
[19:40] <jcastro> so we're putting them in good shape.
[19:40] <paultag> jcastro: could I have you PM a phone number so I don't have to stalk you? I'll beer you next time we meet up
[19:41] <pleia2> man, I should have held out the reference for a beer
[19:41] <jcastro> 1-800-OHI-OSUX
[19:41] <paultag> pleia2: I'll beer you when we meet up :)
[19:41] <paultag> pleia2: I owe you at least a few
[19:41] <pleia2> \o/
[19:41] <jono> jcastro, good work
[19:42] <jcastro> jono: here's the "as of now" list: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~unity-community-hackers
[19:42] <jono> awesome
[19:43] <jono> brb, lunch
[19:43] <jcastro> actually, we're closer to 50% through the list
[19:43] <jcastro> this isn't as sucky as I thought
[19:43] <jcastro> it's just "medium" sucky.
[19:45] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/683179
[19:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 683179 in unity-2d "Dash - Add BFB 'flirt' animation to startup sequence" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:46] <jcastro> can someone not-Canonical click on one of those movies and tell me if it works for you?
[19:49] <paultag> jcastro: fails
[19:49] <paultag> Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again. ←
[19:49] <jcastro> I deleted your lp account
[19:49] <jcastro> (j/k it's just a permissions problem I think)
[19:50] <paultag> hehe
[19:57]  * czajkowski prods paultag 
[19:59] <paultag> hey czajkowski, what's up friendo?
[20:00] <czajkowski> paultag: you keep wanting to skype me
[20:00] <czajkowski> when I'm asleep
[20:00] <czajkowski> I'm awake now
[20:00] <paultag> czajkowski: have time now?
[20:00] <paultag> k :)
[20:00] <czajkowski> I do
[20:00] <paultag> roger doger
[20:00] <czajkowski> oi who you calling dodgey
[20:00] <czajkowski> fecker
[20:01] <czajkowski> no sound...
[20:06] <paultag> popey: prod
[20:07] <popey> o/
[20:07] <popey> wassup?
[20:08] <paultag> popey: czajkowski and I are chatting if you want in
[20:08] <popey> ok
[20:08] <popey> one mo
[20:09] <popey> ok, call me
[20:09] <paultag> popey: roger, moment
[20:10] <mhall119> jcastro: I can't get either movie to play because of missing codecs, what are they using?
[20:11] <jcastro> probably h264?
[20:16] <mhall119> jcastro: oh, the links are broken
[20:16] <mhall119> trying to go through OpenID
[20:18] <mhall119> ok, got them now
[20:38] <czajkowski> mhall119: did you break loco.u.c
[20:43] <czajkowski> jono: darling you here?
[20:43] <mhall119> czajkowski: nope
[20:43] <czajkowski> mhall119: if I or paultag click on teams, nothing happens
[20:44] <jono> czajkowski, yup
[20:44] <mhall119> czajkowski: loaded for me, just slow
[20:44] <mhall119> czajkowski: are you logged in?
[20:44] <mhall119> if so, log out and try it again
[20:44] <czajkowski> jono: if the LC runs a competition to design a logo will you pick one for us ?
[20:44] <czajkowski> mhall119: not logged in
[20:44] <jono> czajkowski, logo for what?
[20:45] <czajkowski> just for the loco council, like a brand, we're setting up our blog
[20:45] <mhall119> czajkowski: huh, you sure it's not just being slow?
[20:45] <czajkowski> thought it'd be a nice way to get loco teams aware of the ocuncil
[20:45] <jono> czajkowski, do we need another logo?
[20:46] <czajkowski> well there is none for the LC it was just an idea, something that would appear on LP and also on the blog
[20:46] <mhall119> I know there's the community fishbowl, is there a specific Local Community logo?
[20:46] <czajkowski> mhall119: nope
[20:46] <czajkowski> we just had a productive call wiht paultag and popey
[20:46] <mhall119> so maybe the logo should be for locos, instead of just the council
[20:47] <czajkowski> mhall119: nice idea don't we use the cirlce of friends?
[20:52] <cjohnston> I kinda liked the idea of a governance blog in which every board can post to.
[20:53] <czajkowski> cjohnston: cool, well you can bring that up wth them, in the mean time we're gonna make a bit of an effort to get the word out on stuff and get ours up and running and then maybe more will join in
[20:53] <czajkowski> hopefully
[20:53] <czajkowski> :)
[20:56] <jono> jcastro, what are the latest docs for writing an indicator?
[20:57] <jcastro> same as before
[20:57] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[20:57] <jcastro> the python example needs to be updated to GI
[20:58] <nhandler> cjohnston: Or people can just subscribe to planet.ubuntu.com
[20:58] <cjohnston> nhandler: I think it would be nice to have one place to go to see all posts from the councils
[20:58] <cjohnston> which you wont really get from planet
[20:59] <cjohnston> planet isnt really conducive to going back and finding something in the past
[20:59] <nhandler> cjohnston: I don't really see the need. But it is rather trivial to setup a Yahoo Pipes or Planet Planet to pull in all the council feeds if someone wanted
[20:59] <nhandler> cjohnston: That is what your feed reader is for
[21:10] <jono> doctormo, ping?
[21:10] <jono> doctormo, on the subject of our "community experience built into the desktop" discussion, see http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/06/better-community-with-better-technology/
[21:11] <mhall119> nhandler: how long does your feed reader keeps articles?
[21:14] <cjohnston> mine isnt very long
[21:14] <cjohnston> unless i star it
[21:14] <nhandler> mhall119: No clue. I use google reader, And I star anything I need to keep.
[21:15] <cjohnston> i may not think that i need to keep something, but then want to go back for reference
[21:15] <nhandler> But, if anything, that is an issue with the current feed readers, not a reason for a new council blog
[21:15] <mhall119> but I think cjohnston's scenario was the case where you want to go back and find something that you didn't think was worth keeping when you first read it
[21:15] <mhall119> feed readers aren't meant to be content archives
[21:21] <AlanBell> and new community members don't have feed reader history
[21:21] <AlanBell> and I don't have a feed reader for that matter
[21:29] <nhandler> Well, this doesn't really solve the problem. With a shared blog, you would go to the blog, and then search it for the post. With the current system, it is no different. You go to the person's blog and search for the post. If you want to make it easier for people to subscribe to all the council members' posts, use something like yahoo pipes to create a feed that pulls in all of the other feeds.
[21:43] <jono> jcastro, to be clear, https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.14 is the upcoming Unity SRU, right?
[21:43] <jcastro> jono: .16
[21:44] <jcastro> .14 is all fixed released
[21:44] <jono> jcastro, .16 is SRU
[21:44] <jono> SRTU2
[21:44] <jono> isnt it?
[21:44] <jcastro> SRU1 is past already
[21:44] <jcastro> .16 is SRU2
[21:44] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/3.8.16
[21:44] <jono> jcastro, I thought SRU1 was the one that is locked in proposed?
[21:45] <jono> and SRU is being worked on
[21:45] <jono> and SRU2 is being worked on
[21:45] <jcastro> SRU2 is being worked on
[21:45] <jcastro> SRU1 is out, not sure if it's still in proposed or not
[21:45] <jono> ahhh cool, thats what I wanted to double-check
[21:46] <jono> brb rebooting
[21:46] <jcastro> I am checking now
[21:46] <jcastro> with Ken
[21:46] <jcastro> (I have proposed enabled so I have it already)
[21:47] <jono> yeah I just installed propoped
[21:47] <jono> proposed
[21:47] <jcastro> dpkg -l unity will tell you the version you have
[21:47]  * jono getting used to his new keyboard
[21:47] <jcastro> new PC?
[21:47] <jono> jcastro, btw, see my new blog post, think it could be interesting for bitesize bugs
[21:47] <jono> no new keyboard for lappy
[21:47] <jono> now in my office working
[21:47] <jono> brb
[21:48] <jcastro> oh dude
[21:48] <jcastro> "rmadison unity" will tell you everything you need to know
[21:49] <nhandler> jcastro: rmadison is a very handy tool. You can also do 'rmadison -debian somepackage' to check on what versions debian has
[22:12] <jcastro> bacon
[22:12] <jcastro> jono: "rmadison unity"
[22:12] <jcastro> for the win
[22:12] <jcastro> (I always forget about that tool)
[22:12] <jono> jcastro, eh?
[22:13] <jcastro> it tells you what each version of unity in each pocket is
[22:13] <jono> oh cool
[22:13] <jcastro> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/620283/
[22:13] <jcastro> voila
[22:13] <jcastro> so yeah, it's still in proposed
[22:14] <cjohnston> nhandler: im not saying something for every members posts.. I'm saying a council blog, in which the councils post blog posts.. not council members posting blog posts.
[22:15] <jono> jcastro, I just installed it
[22:15] <jono> seems be running well far
[22:37] <nhandler> cjohnston: That just sounds like one more place that we need to duplicate announcements. Most councils send it to some ML, post on some blog that is on the planet, post in certain relevant irc channels, and submit to the fridge/uwn (which should be up and running again soon)
[22:55] <jono> folks, can you folks help me test Lernid in a few mins?
[22:55] <jono> We are running a Lernid testing event in 5 mins - go and download the new Lernid release from a PPA and join the session: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/06/05/new-lernid-release-please-test/
[23:11] <doctormo> jono: are you still testing?
[23:12] <jono> doctormo, yup
[23:13] <doctormo> Let me join in the fun...
[23:29] <jono> doctormo, did you see my recent blog entry?
[23:29] <jono> it resonates with our discussion about community built into the desktop
[23:30] <doctormo> jono: Interesting, I'm reading it now
[23:30] <jono> doctormo, :-)
[23:35] <doctormo> jono: OK read, looks like you've specified several projects with quite a bit of work to get them done.
[23:35] <doctormo> The first job is to put them into blueprints
[23:35] <doctormo> So we can pass out the work to people when they come forward
[23:35] <doctormo> And duplication is avoided.
[23:35] <jono> doctormo, yeah, I just wanted to share some ideas to see if interested folks to write some code
[23:36] <jono> wasn't sure if you fancied writing one of these?
[23:36] <doctormo> I need to double check the new backend for launchpadlib, if their new login framework is easy enough, then it should be simple to do.
[23:37] <doctormo> GroundControl suffers because it needs access to the ssh keys, which the launchpad API doesn't provide yet. But none of your proposals need ssh keys to work.
[23:37] <doctormo> So the default launchpadlib access control work should do the trick.
[23:38] <doctormo> Right I have to head out --> "home James"