[01:29] <TheMuso> Hrm. I just discovered that parts of Qt4 use libaudio2, which is from NAS. Hrm.
[01:58] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what is the name of the test X server?  Bryce was telling me about it
[01:58] <RAOF> robert_ancell: xvfb?
[01:59] <robert_ancell> RAOF, that's the one, cheers
[04:13] <micahg> robert_ancell: I've been having lightdm segfaulting all day
[04:13] <robert_ancell> micahg, do you have a core dump?
[04:13] <micahg> no, it takes X with it
[04:14] <robert_ancell> micahg, can you paste the log?
[04:14] <micahg> oh, hmm, apport's been off, let me fix that :)
[04:16] <micahg> robert_ancell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/619580/
[04:16] <robert_ancell> micahg, interesting, what is triggering it?  Are you in a session?
[04:16] <micahg> yeah, usually clicking something I think
[04:16] <micahg> then I get some junk output on tty1
[04:17] <robert_ancell> and are you running 0.3.7?
[04:17] <micahg> yep
[04:33] <robert_ancell> micahg, I'm assuming everything is good with GDM?
[04:33] <micahg> idk, haven't run gdm in over a week
[04:33] <micahg> this just started though I think
[06:35] <pitti> Good morning
[06:41] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[06:42] <GunnarHj> pitti: Morning! Thought I'd mention that I have adapted some gdm patches to 3.0.0. https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gdm/oneiric/+merge/63515 so noone else does the same thing unnecessarily.
[06:42] <GunnarHj> pitti: Haven't built successfully, though, so I can't tell if they all work. Hopefully it's useful anyway.
[06:44] <pitti> GunnarHj: oh, thanks
[06:45] <pitti> GunnarHj: right, I also think Seb just cleaned up some patches so far
[06:45] <pitti> someone still needs to get through the remaining bits, but every patch port helps indeed
[06:47] <pitti> GunnarHj: merged (haven't looked at the patches individually, for now this is just a "pool" kind of thing anyway :) )
[06:47] <GunnarHj> pitti: Only one left (the original file seems to be dropped). Indeed it should be reviewed carefully.
[06:48] <GunnarHj> pitti: Cool.
[07:55] <didrocks> good morning
[08:03] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:04] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:04] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti, how are you? did you enjoy your days off?
[08:05] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I did indeed, thanks! we had a nice concert in Berlin, and it was good to see family and friends in Dresden again
[08:06] <chrisccoulson> pitti. cool, sounds good :)
[08:10] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, pitti!
[08:10] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ca va?
[08:10] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien, merci! :-)
[08:10] <didrocks> pitti: so, you enjoyed some time in Desden?
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:11] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks, a lot of walk in the forest surrounding Lyon this week-end as usual :)
[08:11] <didrocks> and you?
[08:11] <pitti> didrocks: I did indeed, was great to meet my family and friends again
[08:11] <pitti> didrocks: we also spent a nice day (Thu) in Berlin, Mando Diao concert
[08:12] <didrocks> nice :)
[08:12] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, good thanks. i managed to cut my hedge this weekend, so my garden doesn't look so overgrown now
[08:16] <didrocks> heh :)
[08:51] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:52] <seb128> hey desktopers
[08:52] <seb128> hi rodrigo_
[08:53] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_, salut seb128!
[08:54] <pitti> bonjour seb128, ca va?
[08:55] <rodrigo_> hi seb128, didrocks, pitti
[08:55] <rodrigo_> had a good weekend?
[08:56] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[08:56] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[08:56] <pitti> indeed it was nice, met my family and friends in Dresden again
[08:56] <seb128> quite nice weekend, lot of tennis on TV ;-)
[08:56] <pitti> and the Mando Diao concert in Berlin was great!
[08:56] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh, Nadal won again, right?
[08:56] <didrocks> seb128: good ones?
[08:56] <seb128> yes ;-)
[08:57] <seb128> didrocks, indeed, I wouldn't have watched the full games if they were boring
[09:02] <mvo> seb128: hey, good morning! I hope you had a good weekend :) a bit of a silly question: where is the system menu stuff now in the oneiric gnome panel? it seems like usb-creator-gtk does not show up anymore (I only have applications and places in my test system panel)
[09:03] <seb128> mvo, they dropped it I think, check with rodrigo_ or vuntz I guess, I've not been using gnome-panel for a while
[09:03] <didrocks> yeah, they dropped the additional menu
[09:03] <seb128> they switched to 2 menus I think
[09:03] <mvo> oh, ok - so all the apps that use it need to be changed to appear again?
[09:03] <didrocks> mvo: http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2011/04/13/gnome-panel-is-dead,-long-live-gnome-panel!
[09:03] <seb128> it should probably be under the system tools in the application menu or similar
[09:03] <rodrigo_> mvo, is this gnome-panel 3.0?
[09:04] <mvo> I'm mainly concerned with my s-c tests (the menu searchers)
[09:04] <mvo> rodrigo_: whatever is currently in oneiric :)
[09:04] <mvo> rodrigo_: so I guess yes
[09:04] <mvo> thanks didrocks, reading that now
[09:04] <rodrigo_> yes, 3.0, so not sure, haven't used it
[09:04] <didrocks> "User menu: that's the third thing you'll notice: the menu bar lost its System menu, and instead, there's a user menu on the right. If gnome-panel is built with telepathy-glib, this menu will enable you to change your presence on the desktop (including for IM). It also contains, more or less, the same actions that were available in the old System menu."
[09:04] <didrocks> mvo: the part which will interest you I guess ^
[09:05] <didrocks> mvo: btw, on another topic, OneConf de-desktopcouchify :-) dropped a lot of the logic as well (1500 lines changes on a day, for only remaining 900 lines right now!)
[09:05] <mvo> didrocks: woah!
[09:05] <didrocks> mvo: we should take some time later this week to discuss about the next move (server part)
[09:06] <mvo> didrocks: sounds good to me, this is hopefully straightforward, its a relatively simple django server
[09:06] <didrocks> mvo: right, nice time for me to learn this framework after having heard about it so much :)
[09:07] <mvo> didrocks: :) the ISD people are great and the framework is pretty nice, so it will be fun!
[09:07] <didrocks> excellent, can't wait for working on this with them (and you ;))
[09:08] <mvo> :)
[09:09] <pitti> hey mvo, guten Morgen
[09:09] <mvo> hey pitti
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, how are you?
[09:13] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks, how are you?
[09:13] <chrisccoulson> seb128, good thanks. just waiting for a coffee machine to arrive :)
[09:14] <rodrigo_> hi chrisccoulson
[09:15] <seb128> chrisccoulson, coffee addict! ;-)
[09:15] <seb128> hum
[09:15] <seb128> didn't we keep the freedesktop sound theme out of the CD on purpose?
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, my current machine leaks all over the kitchen ;)
[09:16] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Ooh, shiny new espresso machine?
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've got all of the firefox 5 updates staged in https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next now. it's just waiting on language packs without the firefox 4 translations (and with the new dependencies)
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> would you be able to do that this week? i'd like to put out a call for testing soon :)
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, it's just a filter coffee machine, it doesn't do espresso
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> just good ole' mugs of black coffee :)
[09:20]  * RAOF strokes his shiny, stainless steel, pressure-boiler'd espresso machine.
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> oh, i'm meant to be patch-piloting today
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, -ETOOMANYTHINGSTODO
[09:26] <seb128> mvo, recent upload in debian suggest the categories of those .desktop need to be updated, gnome-menus in debian got a workaround to add a category back in the application menu until it's done
[09:26] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that is, new langpacks for lucid and maverick, too?
[09:26] <pitti> and natty?
[09:27] <pitti> chrisccoulson: langpack-o-matic needs the firefox-locale-* packages in -proposed to DTRT, though
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yes please (lucid, maverick and natty), although lucid and maverick are less urgent as we're targetting firefox 6 at those. but there is also more to test for those, so i'd like to get people testing the upgrades ASAP really
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, how do we do that? :)
[09:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: how urgently do we need to get them into -updates/-security?
[09:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: i. e. could we do one release each, and have two weeks per release? or faster?
[09:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm asking because QAing all these language updates will take time
[09:29] <pitti> usually we only get feedback for some 10 languages, and here we need to test all languages which have ffox translations
[09:29] <mvo> thanks seb128!
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> pitti - that's why i was asking to start testing soon really. we need to push firefox 5 to natty-security on june 21st
[09:30] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok, so we'll start with new natty langpacks then
[09:30] <pitti> dpm: ^ are we OK with a -base refresh for natty?
[09:31] <pitti> dpm: I just requested a -base export for natty, to get this going
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks. are you able to target them to natty-security rather than natty-proposed? last time we did this, arne targetted them to proposed and i had to edit the changelogs
[09:31] <pitti> chrisccoulson: nope, they'll go to -proposed
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> ah, ok
[09:31] <pitti> and then we can copy them to -updates, and additionally to -security if required
[09:32] <pitti> we can't directly put them into -u or -s
[09:32] <pitti> chrisccoulson: why edit changelogs?
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i uploaded them manually to security before. i'm not sure how arne generated them though
[09:35] <dpm> pitti, chrisccoulson, sounds good, I'm ok with -base refresh, I was going to ping you (pitti) for an update this week as per the schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/NattyLanguagePackReleaseSchedule - Note that I requested an export schedule change to get the oneiric exports going: https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule. That was on Friday, and I need to check with the LP guys if the change actually went through
[09:35] <pitti> dpm: ah, so the timing sounds perfect for natty then
[09:36] <dpm> pitti, yeah, let me check if there is any launchpadder around that can confirm that the exports cron job has been updated
[09:46] <mvo> hey glatzor! nice to see you :)
[09:47] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i'm still confused about how we build the language packs btw (because there are no firefox-locale- packages in natty-proposed)
[09:48] <pitti> chrisccoulson: right, as I said, we'd need the new firefox in -proposed before I can start building the langpacks for -proposed
[09:49] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ah, so this might be a bit of a problem, as we don't usually put firefox updates through proposed :)
[09:49] <glatzor> hello!
[09:49]  * glatzor hugs mvo
[09:49] <bryceh> heya glatzor :-)
[09:49] <pitti> chrisccoulson: what stops us from doing it this time?
[09:50]  * glatzor waves to bryceh !
[09:51] <chrisccoulson> pitti - timing :) firefox 5 is a security update to firefox 4.0.1, so we need to be able to push it out to users within a day of release really (and we don't know the security issues up-front, so we don't have an idea of the urgency of that yet)
[09:53]  * mvo hugs glatzor
[09:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so this is a private PPA?
[09:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I can certainly see https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next
[09:55] <glatzor> mvo, have you had a good time?
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> pitti - the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA is public, and is where we stage the updates when mozilla start their release builds (which will probably be a couple of days out)
[09:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: as an alternative, I could run import with the PPA as archive root
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> the firefox-next PPA is where i'm tracking the beta channel, which is what will feed in to the ubuntu-mozilla-security PPA
[09:56] <pitti> as we currently only search for firefox-locale-* packages, this should be ok
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that should work
[09:57] <pitti> i. e. http://ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-next/ubuntu/
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's ok. those packages are basically what i'm going to upload to ubuntu-mozilla-security (albeit, the firefox packages will be from the release channel instead)
[09:58] <mvo> glatzor: yeah, fathers day, was a lot of fun
[09:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok, so I now need to wait for LP to do the new base export, then build new langpacks for -proposed against above PPA, then dpm starts his call for testing
[09:58] <mvo> glatzor: and you? good vacation?
[09:58] <pitti> chrisccoulson: however
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> pitti - excellent, thanks
[09:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it will mean that the -proposed langpacks will not have firefox translations while we test that
[09:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: and as the Recommends: is unsatisfyable, people who do test -proposed, will never get them installed
[09:59] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ah, that's not good :/
[09:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: which is why I'd really prefer having _some_ firefox package in -proposed as well
[10:00] <pitti> we really need to have people install new firefox and new langpacks in lockstep
[10:00] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i thought we were going with a depends rather than recommends? will update-manager pull in the new recommends in a regular update?
[10:00] <glatzor> mvo, indeed! was a good time. but today is my first working day :(
[10:00] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, new recommends will be pulled in on upgrade (when available)
[10:00] <mvo> chrisccoulson: yes
[10:01] <mvo> glatzor: meh :/
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti - we might be able to push the firefox beta to -proposed, as the beta channel is really closer to RC than beta atm
[10:01] <chrisccoulson> there's going to be 1 more beta release this week, and then the beta channel will be merged in to the release channel
[10:01] <pitti> chrisccoulson: we don't necessarily need to release that -proposed version
[10:01] <pitti> but it should work reasonably well, and build the f-locale-* stuff
[10:02] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, that's fine
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> so, just to clarify then, we're going to put the firefox 5 beta in to natty-proposed with the new language packs? then once we get the proper firefox 5 release, we just copy that from the u-m-s PPA in to natty-security (and natty-updates)
[10:03] <chrisccoulson> also, the language packs will need to be copied to natty-security too (in addition to natty-updates)
[10:06] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that sounds better to me
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> pitti - ok, thanks :)
[10:06] <alex3f> good morning
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - we'll also have this all to do for lucid and maverick too, although that can wait for firefox 6
[10:07] <alex3f> mvo: changes in branch, please review, when you have the time :-)
[10:10] <mvo> alex3f: cool, will do :)
[10:10] <mvo> alex3f: in a little bit, but definetely soon
[10:10] <alex3f> mvo: no hurry
[10:57] <dpm> pitti, chrisccoulson, before I can comment on the plan, there are a couple of things I don't quite understand. I've added some comments and a question about the FF5 language packs on http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/619772/ - could you please have a look at it when you've got a minute?
[10:57] <pitti> dpm: right, langpacks won't contain firefox translations any more; we'll continue to ignore those, as we already do
[10:58] <pitti> 3) we currently don't, and won't ship LP translations for firefox
[10:58] <pitti> the firefox-locale-* packages are built from firefox, not from langpack-o-matic
[10:58] <glatzor> mvo, I started to work on C bindings for aptdaemon to get intropestion support lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/glib
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> dpm - yeah, what pitti said :)
[10:58] <pitti> dpm: that's why we need ffox 5 in -proposed at the same time
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> so, the firefox-locale-xx packages will appear when i upload firefox
[10:59] <pitti> so that testing the langpacks can be done with ffox 5
[11:00] <dpm> pitti, chrisccoulson, that part I understand, the part I don't quite understand is the part where ff5 langpacks (the firefox-locale-packages) appear in -proposed. Those points mention the FF4 export from LP and split into the firefox-locale-packages, but I don't quite get when the FF5 version of those will appear in -proposed
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> dpm - point 2 in my e-mail :)
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> "Firefox 5 beta will be uploaded to natty-proposed once we get the
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> next beta release this week. Note that the current beta is closer to RC
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> quality than beta quality anyway, and the changes between the next beta
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> and release will be very minimal."
[11:01] <dpm> there's no reference to langpacks in that point
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> dpm - i didn't think i needed to. the language packs are built from the firefox source now
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> dpm - https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next/+build/2543016
[11:03] <dpm> chrisccoulson, so after point 2 and 4 we'll have firefox-locale-xx packages in natty-proposed for both FF4 and FF5?
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> dpm - no, we'll have FF5 translations in firefox-locale-xx, and firefox 4 translations in the old language packs until the new ones are uploaded (step 4)
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> note that the new firefox-locale-xx packages have a replaces on the old language pack to make sure that's not a problem
[11:05] <mvo> glatzor: woah, I check that out after lunch
[11:07] <glatzor> mvo, my first serious steps as a c programmer :) the new gio based dbus library is really nice
[11:07] <dpm> chrisccoulson, thanks. Do you think you'll have the chance to look at the feedback I left on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-firefox-translations-in-launchpad ?
[11:09] <mvo> glatzor: woah, that looks pretty cool, I just checked the branch out \o/
[11:10] <mvo> glatzor: you are always good for a suprise :)
[11:10] <glatzor> mvo, see you! I have to go to work now!
[11:11] <mvo> glatzor: see you!
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> dpm - sure. i don't need to do that for natty though do i?
[11:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 792099 looks like your cup of tea :)
[11:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 792099 in thunderbird-locales "Please remove thunderbird-locales source from oneiric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/792099
[11:15] <dpm> chrisccoulson, no, not for natty, you registered the spec for oneiric
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: done; it also removed a couple of languages, presumably they aren't available for tbird 5 any more
[11:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: (see my bug followup)
[11:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - thanks. i should re-add those as transitional packages really (i thought i'd caught them all already)
[11:17] <pitti> that'd be better, yes
[11:31] <seb128> pitti, is there any chance you can look at the gdm patches this week or should we just drop those and try to get gdm3 in?
[11:31] <seb128> the lightdm mir got a +1 from kees
[11:35] <didrocks> pitti: can you remove the SRU team from bug #788981? this one won't make it in this compiz SRU round
[11:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 788981 in compiz "panels get stacked incorrectly on vp switch" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/788981
[11:36] <chrisccoulson> mmmm, nice fresh coffee again
[11:37] <chrisccoulson> i don't have to drink tea anymore!
[11:56] <seb128> Sweetshark, hi, did you see my question about libreoffice-gnome and gnome-vfs the other day?
[11:58] <seb128> lunch!
[12:24] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, how is bug 793466 a firefox bug? ;)
[12:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 793466 in firefox ""unity" does not work anymore !" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/793466
[12:25] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: because it's all your fault! :-)
[12:25] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:07] <xclaesse> rodrigo_, webkitgtk 1.4.1 released, next empathy version will need a fix from that release
[13:07] <xclaesse> could that webkit go to gnome3 ppa or at least oneric ?
[13:08] <xclaesse> *Oneiric
[13:11] <xclaesse> seb128, ^
[13:12] <seb128> xclaesse, what will happen to empathy without that fix?
[13:12] <seb128> webkit will be updated one day but it takes ages to build and it's no fun to update
[13:12] <xclaesse> switching adium theme variant drops the CSS, so you get conversations with no theming
[13:13] <xclaesse> closing and reopening the chat window fix it, though
[13:13] <seb128> doesn't seem like a blocker
[13:13] <seb128> you don't switch variants every day
[13:13] <seb128> we will update webkit in oneiric though, just not sure when
[13:13] <xclaesse> right, not blocker, but would be cool to have... dunno how hard it is to push new version of webkit...
[13:14] <seb128> it's not hard, it just takes 6 hours to build
[13:14] <seb128> then you need to fix issues if any and restart the build
[13:14] <xclaesse> yeah :(
[13:15] <kinouchou> hi seb128
[13:15] <seb128> lut kinouchou, ca va ?
[13:15] <kinouchou> yep :)
[13:30]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[14:10] <ogra_> so who had the glorious idea to enable metacity compositing by default
[14:11] <ogra_> it makes Xorg eat half of one of my CPUs on arm now
[14:11] <pitti> supposedly gnome 3.0 and g-s still run on metacity?
[14:11] <ogra_> pitti, on unity-2d
[14:11] <ogra_> which ran just fine until oneiric on framebuffer devices
[14:12] <ogra_> now it takes about 5 min to open the dash and about two to open the workspace switcher
[14:12] <mvo> alex3f: I pushed some small modifications to the refactor branch, could you please double check?
[14:13] <alex3f> mvo: yes, 1 sec
[14:13] <mvo> alex3f: no rush
[14:13] <mvo> alex3f: the pendingview really needs to get all this low-level stuff ripped out
[14:13] <pitti> ogra_: do you know if that's a runtime or compile time option?
[14:13] <ogra_> pitti, gconf key
[14:13] <pitti> if the latter, we might disable compositing if we are building for arm?
[14:13] <mvo> alex3f: and put into transactions-watcher instead with proper gsignals, I started that, but there is more to do
[14:14] <alex3f> there is at least one more thing I wanted to discuss with you
[14:14] <mvo> alex3f: fortunately the model of PK and aptdaemon are very similar so it should map to them both pretty well
[14:14] <pitti> ogra_: so perhaps a debian/rules hack to install a different gconf default when building on arm?
[14:14] <alex3f> I see
[14:14] <didrocks> ogra_: the patch with the gconf key is upstream?
[14:14] <alex3f> the installed and candidate properties
[14:14] <ogra_> didrocks, i have no idea
[14:14]  * pitti assumes we are actually talking about a gsettings key here
[14:14] <alex3f> mvo: these are currently apt.Version objects... which isn't cool
[14:14] <pitti> oh, wait
[14:14] <didrocks> pitti: no, metacity is still using gconf
[14:14] <ogra_> pitti, well, i see it in gconf-editor :)
[14:14] <pitti> we still have 2.34
[14:14] <pitti> not 3.0
[14:15] <ogra_> in any case that default changed
[14:15] <didrocks> pitti: there is no metacity 3.0, is it?
[14:15] <ogra_> very very recently
[14:15] <pitti> didrocks: ah, g-s uses mutter, I guess
[14:15] <ogra_> and it makes it hard to use on arm
[14:15] <didrocks> pitti: right
[14:15] <didrocks> ogra_: there was only one upload of metacity (today)
[14:16] <lucidfox> Hmm, that makes me wonder: what are you going to use as the non-compositing window manager in Oneiric?
[14:16] <lucidfox> and beyond
[14:16] <ogra_> didrocks, well, on a fresh oneiric install composite is on by default
[14:16] <mvo> alex3f: apt.Version … indeed, that needs to go. is it used for anything else beside the addon stuff? I think the addon stuff just needs to go entirely into the PackageInfo class and specific to the packaging system in use
[14:16] <alex3f> mvo: I'm thinking about replacing all candidate.property accesses
[14:16] <alex3f> to _package.property
[14:16] <didrocks> ogra_: hum, weird, I didn't look at those patch closely enough, but the default (no key or whatever) was off, right? and only the unity session changed this key?
[14:17] <ogra_> didrocks, could it be that someone set the key in unity-2d ?
[14:17] <mvo> alex3f: sounds ok to me. would be nice to know where its used and if we can't just get rid of the usage and replace the current users with using PackageInfo properly (and adding required properties/methods there). what do you think?
[14:17] <didrocks> ogra_: well, I would first prefer understand what happens and what we expect rather than special casing one session (which doesn't work anyway)
[14:17] <alex3f> mvo: will check that; also the try_install_and_remove_*... I'm not about the PK equivalents, will check on it
[14:18] <alex3f> mvo: will investigate, and get back with details of usage.
[14:18] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, somehow it takes forever for my chat windows to appear after calling them from the indicator-applet, sometimes not at all.  And it appeared as if the indicators were slow to appear on the envelope when first starting empathy
[14:18] <mvo> alex3f: the try_install/try_remove should map to the PK simulate stuff
[14:18] <mvo> alex3f: thanks, take your time, no rush on this :)
[14:19] <alex3f> mvo: okay, I'm now struggling with pygobject incomplete GPtrArray gobject introspection
[14:19] <alex3f> actually with jhbuild on my system
[14:20] <mvo> alex3f: we have some wizzards when it comes to introspection in this channel :) so if there is a specific question, don't hesitate to ask
[14:20] <alex3f> awesome
[14:21] <alex3f> I've been whining on #introspection and #python until now, will try here too
[14:23] <ogra_> didrocks, well *something* sets it to true ... i would suspect unity-2d defaults or so
[14:23] <ogra_> but let me boot my oneiric arm netbook to check
[14:24] <didrocks> ogra_: /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true
[14:24] <didrocks> /apps/metacity/general/compositor_effects false
[14:24] <ogra_> didrocks, right
[14:24] <didrocks> in ubuntu-2d-gconf-defaul
[14:25] <didrocks> is that what you expect?
[14:25] <ogra_> compositing_manager false was what we had before
[14:25] <didrocks> not sure between the two, there is no doc to explain which one do
[14:25] <ogra_> and my dash only took 1min to come up instead of 10
[14:25] <ogra_> :P
[14:26] <didrocks> ogra_: well, the dash is crashing there, you are rather lucky :p
[14:26] <ogra_> its not crashing
[14:26] <ogra_> i see it keeping the same pid from click to display
[14:27] <ogra_> its just that yo enforce compositing in software now
[14:27] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, oh... not sure
[14:27] <didrocks> ogra_: it is crashing on i386
[14:27] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, i'll watch for that
[14:27] <ogra_> on unity-2d ?
[14:27] <didrocks> let me see if I changed the key by error
[14:27] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah
[14:27] <ogra_> funny
[14:28] <ogra_> so armel is ahead \o/
[14:28] <didrocks> not really funny, I'm spending a full day to debug with people why Qt is crashing only with gcc 4.6 :/
[14:28] <ogra_> weird
[14:29] <ogra_> doesnt crash here
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> also, may I PM you for some GTK questions
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine,  ^^
[14:29]  * ogra_ just tested again
[14:30]  * ogra_ is using 3.8.6-0ubuntu2 here
[14:30] <didrocks> ogra_: bzr qlog: rev 570: uriboni: "For the unity-2d session enable by default the compositor and disable the effects"
[14:30] <didrocks> ogra_: can you check with him?
[14:31] <ogra_> hmm, i wonder if he tested that on his efikamx netbook :)
[14:31] <ogra_> my tegra at least has a dual core
[14:31] <ogra_> so i can easily donate one core to X
[14:31] <ogra_> :)
[14:31] <didrocks> heh, check with him please :-)
[14:31] <ogra_> will do
[14:32]  * ogra_ must admit it looks shiny 
[14:34] <didrocks> ogra_: the transparence in the dash border, right?
[14:34] <didrocks> (I don't see any other diff)
[14:34] <didrocks> well, when I saw the dash
[14:35] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, sure
[14:35] <ogra_> didrocks, notifications too
[14:35] <ogra_> they look a *lot* better than non transparent
[14:35] <ogra_> and the launcher background is transparent
[14:36] <didrocks> it's not transparent there?
[14:37] <ogra_> usually its not without composite
[14:37] <didrocks> (the launcher background, the notification is)
[14:37] <ogra_> looks a bit like a black hole punched into your desktop :)
[14:37] <ogra_> oh, right, i lied, launcher is non transparentl
[14:39] <didrocks> ah, I'm not crazy \o/
[14:39] <didrocks> (yet)
[14:47]  * didrocks tries compiz possible SRU, brb
[15:21] <tkamppeter> Is it correct that under Oneiric there is currently no theme and no desktop background by default?
[15:21] <seb128> yes, "known bug"
[15:22] <seb128> well theme is waiting on dx to provide one
[15:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, in addition no icons on background, windows leave traces when one moves them, no right-click on background, no theme selector in system settings, no close button for system settings.
[15:23] <tkamppeter> seb128, which bug number(s)?
[15:24] <seb128> tkamppeter, I don't know, there is several bugs about it, there is a work item for it and it's well known
[15:24] <seb128> the no theme selector is a design decision
[15:26] <seb128> tkamppeter, don't open bugs about missing options or such they are GNOME design decisions, not bugs
[15:27] <tkamppeter> Thanks, for the biggest problem of all these, the missing background and the windows leaving traces I have found a workaround by manually choosing a background image via "Background" in the system settings. This even survives logging out and logging in again.
[15:28] <tkamppeter> seb128, is forcing a laptop to suspend when one closes the lid without giving the user a possibility to prevent this also a design decision?
[15:29] <seb128> tkamppeter, yes
[15:30] <micahg> cjwatson: k, thanks for the MoM update, chromium-browser and flashplugin-nonfree are the ones that come to mind immediately, I'll let you know if I notice any others
[15:30] <geser> tkamppeter: http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2011/02/02/is-gnome-3-going-to-melt-your-laptop/
[15:30] <tkamppeter> seb128, for my use case of running my laptop with closed lid and SSHing in from my 23-inch-monitor PC I have to switch to KDE on my laptop?
[15:31] <rodrigo_> tkamppeter, or you can leave the lid open :)
[15:32] <micahg> oops wrong channel :-/
[15:38] <Laney> jj
[15:40] <saamm> hello, I am having a weird problem in Ubuntu 11.04. I disabled Automatic login and now 'Ubuntu' logs me into classic gnome. Earlier I was getting Unity interface.
[15:41] <zniavre_> good afternoon, im trying oneiric to see how the theming is easy or not, i can see the new nautilus in action but why zeitgest is not integrated to nautilus ?
[15:47] <tkamppeter> seb128, geser, rodrigo_, thanks.
[15:49] <cjwatson> micahg: OK, I've removed the merge output from disk for chromium-browser and flashplugin-nonfree; they should disappear from the web indices next time MoM updates
[15:49] <micahg> cjwatson: great, thanks!
[15:50] <kinouchou> cc
[15:51] <kaushal> Hi
[15:51] <kaushal> I have installed libreoffice 3.4 How do i add it in Launcher using Unity Desktop Shell ?
[15:56] <bcurtiswx> kaushal, the channel #ayatana is where you'll want to go
[15:58] <kaushal> bcurtiswx: thanks
[15:58] <bcurtiswx> kaushal, you're welcome :)
[15:58] <kaushal> bcurtiswx: Any clue ?
[16:07] <saamm> help, ubuntu always logs me into classic gnome, even if I select Unity as my session
[16:08] <didrocks> saamm: can you run /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[16:08] <didrocks> and put the output in a pastebin?
[16:11] <didrocks> hum, metacity-common broke the entire keybindings in multiple files
[16:12] <bcurtiswx> pitti, know of any good python examples using GIR ? that aren't too overly complicated for newbies/learners?
[16:12] <saamm> didrocks, sure
[16:13] <pitti> bcurtiswx: do you know https://live.gnome.org/PyGObject/IntrospectionPorting ?
[16:13] <didrocks> but anyway, there is no more gnome-keybindings-properties
[16:13] <pitti> bcurtiswx: that has some initial porting guide, and also some links to actual ports in the "Examples" section
[16:13] <bcurtiswx> pitti, i will look it over, thx :)
[16:13] <pitti> bcurtiswx: you can look at apport, jockey, computer-janitor, or a few other small programs if you want something that runs
[16:14] <bcurtiswx> pitti, OK will do
[16:17] <saamm> didrocks, not blacklisted is no, everyhting else is yes
[16:17] <pitti> seb128: hah, finally got the icon-theme split working
[16:17] <pitti> gnome-icon-theme_3.0.0-2ubuntu1_all.deb is now 580 kB
[16:18] <saamm> didrocks, unity supported 'no'
[16:18] <didrocks> saamm: ok, so your card is blacklisted, what is it?
[16:18] <pitti> and g-i-theme-full is 8.4 MB (I added all the 256x256 back)
[16:18] <pitti> IOW, a 5.8 MB win
[16:18] <seb128> pitti, \o/
[16:19] <pitti> took a bit to get it right, to not break symlinks etc.
[16:19] <saamm> didrocks, nvidia gs 7300. But it was working all the time. I was using unity all the time with this card.
[16:20] <didrocks> saamm: see http://askubuntu.com/questions/37629/geforce-go-7300-7400-blacklisted-can-i-still-run-unity/37686#37686
[16:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, is http://people.gnome.org/~rodrigo/Screenshot-System%20Info.png something in g-c-c or still gnome-session?
[16:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, a mockup for g-c-c
[16:29] <seb128> rodrigo_, was that discussed somewhere? we had an UDS session about startup applications cleaning and a spec about it but you didn't mention there was changes planned?
[16:29] <rodrigo_> still being discussed, not sure it will get in
[16:29] <seb128> would be nice to let others known about changes that might impact ongoing work
[16:29] <rodrigo_> seb128, this is based on the session we had at UDS
[16:30] <seb128> didrocks asked vuntz and he said there was no plan to do move that iirc
[16:30] <rodrigo_> yes, there was no plan, we're trying to make a plan
[16:30] <rodrigo_> as I said, still being discussed
[16:30] <seb128> where?
[16:31] <seb128> I've not seen any email about that on the gnomecc list
[16:31] <rodrigo_> on #gnome-design
[16:31] <seb128> doh, yet another channel ;-)
[16:32] <rodrigo_> yes :(
[16:32] <seb128> rodrigo_, is there any list discussion or wiki page that set the goals of the dialog? if they are just user application? or system services as well or desktop components?
[16:32] <rodrigo_> that's why I just did a mockup (it's really a basic implementation), to fire again the discussion
[16:32] <rodrigo_> seb128, still trying to decide what to do
[16:33] <seb128> ok, let me know if there is a public discussion on a place which doesn't require to be online when the discussion is happening ;-)
[16:33] <rodrigo_> yeah, sure
[16:33] <rodrigo_> although I don't know of any
[16:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/
[16:49] <rodrigo_> seb128, you can subscribe to the wiki pages there
[16:49] <seb128> rodrigo_, thanks
[16:53] <pitti> good night everyone!
[16:56] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:56] <rodrigo_> bye pitti
[17:00] <didrocks> good night pitti!
[17:21] <rodrigo_> seb128, https://live.gnome.org/Design/Proposals <- specific to the autostart thing, adding now much more data from the discussions I've had
[17:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, well autostart can be services (i.e vino) or softwares
[17:22] <rodrigo_> yeah, right
[17:43] <rodrigo_> ok, going out for a bit, later all
[19:21] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner, ping
[19:36] <tuhina112> when i try to login ubuntu says "failed to load session gnome/ubuntu"
[19:45] <tuhina112> when i try to login ubuntu says "failed to load session gnome/ubuntu"
[19:46] <tuhina112> hey can anyone helo ?
[19:46] <tuhina112> *help
[19:50] <tuhina112> hello ?
[19:50] <tuhina112> when i try to login ubuntu says "failed to load session gnome/ubuntu"
[21:18] <didrocks> ok, time to go to bed, have a good evening everyone!