[00:02] I formated a disk in a quick manner (2M @ ext3) for use in a virtual guest but I'n not entirly sure that was the right thing to do, anyone know any better? [00:06] quick format is never wrong [00:07] unless you need a bad block check [00:07] on a virtual disk, you don't [00:37] thanks :) [01:05] Hmm, I just had a guy message me from a reasonably big voice hosting company, after seeing my work in the game server modding community he wants to contract me to write a big IRC control system for all the major voice servers o.O [01:05] how much would be sane to charge for that? [01:11] as much as possible? [01:11] ;) [01:11] haha [01:13] I'd say you want to be charging between £25 to £150 per hour :/ [01:14] probably something like £1500 then [01:14] dunno, I made a rental management program for £700 [01:15] but that was dirt cheap tbh [01:15] hamitron: gonna take long, he wants irc/aim/msn/jabber/sms interfaces to mumble/vent/teamspeak [01:15] Jabber \o/ [01:15] MattJ: jabber party \o/ [01:16] I've never scripted that sorta stuff :) [01:16] hamitron: irc stuff kinda needs to be bomb proof and uber fast, there are plenty of botnets floating about on irc [01:16] and when your a business with irc presence, your bound to get hit [01:16] yeh [01:18] 2 ways to value it: 1) the time it takes you; 2) how much is it worth to them [01:18] also consider who else could do the work [01:18] sorta nasty deciding :/ [01:19] don't wanna lose the work, but don't want to undersell yourself [01:19] * Azelphur wants to loose the work, I'm lazy [01:19] probably gonna make Seta00 do it :D [01:19] haha [01:19] he's better at snakes than me anyway [01:20] charge him 10% fee for passing the work his way ;) [01:20] lol [02:09] JABBER \o/ (i'm a bit late) [02:09] Very late. [02:09] awww :( [02:09] I can only conclude you're a secret supporter of evil proprietary IM networks [02:10] only ones that have xmpp interfaces? :P [02:10] If they federate they're not so evil :) [02:11] it's main interface is over a stateless channel, badly :P [02:12] Oh, /them/ [02:12] attually, i'm not even sure it is federated :P [02:12] They're evil alright :) [02:13] I don't think so [02:13] (tried to add w@gmail.com as a contact to w@f.c [02:14] No, won't work [02:14] ah :( [02:14] One day, maybe [02:15] I'm not so sure, they're a bit fan of getting data in, not so much with the out [02:15] s/bit/big/ [02:15] True [02:40] gmail should federate fine; 'works for me' [02:44] hm, no-one's awake to test it with atm, but it's definately worked the other way around (gmail users can add my jabber address) [02:51] heh, I'm now my own friend. but it does federate - http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/Screen%20shot%202011-06-06%20at%2002.49.14.png [04:48] shauno: facebook doesn't federate :P [04:49] gmail does, half my contacts are not google talk addresses :P === ChrisB is now known as Guest77674 [08:28] Morning all [08:29] Where did Sunday go? [08:30] bank holiday here. we get to do-over sunday :) [08:30] lucky you [08:31] I've worked out where sunday went anyway....Minecraft land [08:31] Morning all. [08:31] morning TheOpenSourcerer [08:39] hello all [09:07] Morning all [09:07] morning [09:08] morning [09:08] How do I use a SOCKS proxy on the cli? I've already set one up, just need to use it [09:09] TheAshMan: use tsocks [09:10] AlanBell: to make use of the ssh tunnel I've already opened? [09:10] yeah, so if you did ssh -D 1080 me@server [09:11] then edit /etc/tsocks.conf to tell it the proxy is on localhost [09:11] then tsocks thunderbird to launch your app using the proxy [09:11] argh, it's not installed. and I can't install stuff, because our network proxy is screwed [09:11] s/thunderbird/thing you want to run/ [09:12] (I want to use it on a server) [09:12] ok, in that case apt knows about proxies, you can get it to use it directly [09:12] so forwarding all network traffic [09:12] Ahh, cool, thanks [09:13] do you have a regular proxy (not sure apt does socks) [09:14] yeah, but that's the one thats screwed :( [09:14] and we have no other [09:15] hmm, you seem stuck! [09:15] oh noes! [09:15] Stupid windows sys admin [09:16] ok, how about use ssh to tunnel port 80 [09:16] then get your tsocks installed [09:16] I can try [09:16] tsocks adds socks support to any application transparently [09:17] awesome [09:18] so you could tunnel port 80 to gb.archive.ubuntu.com and then in the hosts file tell it that gb.archive.ubuntu.com has IP address of 127.0.0.1 [09:18] how would I tunnel port 80 to gb.....? [09:19] would I not need a user account on there? [09:19] AlanBell: It doesn't. [09:20] TheAshMan: no, don't need an account there [09:20] ahh cool [09:20] ssh -L 80:gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 me@my.server.com [09:21] Hmm. [09:21] one of the 80s is the one you want to connect to, the other is where you want that re-served on localhost [09:22] * AlanBell wonders if jpds has a better idea [09:23] and then from another ssh session to the same box i edit /etc/hosts to point gb.archive.ubuntu.com to 127.0.0.1? and then try using apt? [09:24] yup [09:24] cool bean [09:24] s [09:25] mornin [09:25] I get this error: "W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/mercurial-ppa/releases/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/"binary-amd64/Packages.gz 401 Unauthorized" [09:26] TheAshMan: just a ppa, can you ignore that? [09:26] W: is a warning [09:26] ah ok [09:27] Another warning: "W: Failed to fetch http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-updates/restricted/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found" More predominantly a 404... [09:28] and one actually on the server you have forwarded [09:28] that shouldn't be a 404 [09:28] sudo apt-get install tsocks [09:28] whoops [09:28] other window [09:29] :D [09:29] get a e: 401 [09:30] "Err http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/universe tsocks 1.8beta5-9.1 401 Unauthorized" [09:30] 401 = authentication required [09:30] are you behind a transparent proxy that requires that you log in? [09:31] define "transparent"? [09:31] Transparent proxies are proxies that you don't set in your browser, but that your network admin has set in the router [09:31] ah, then yes [09:31] (forwarding all traffic to a specific server which forwards it to the interweb) [09:31] and that's what I'm trying to get around [09:32] TheAshMan: ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com, check it is localhost [09:33] and you are tunneling *all* the way out right? [09:33] good morning everyone, [09:33] morning brobostigon how are you this dull monday [09:33] * TheAshMan might have forgotten to add it to one of the /etc/hosts involved [09:34] although, I now get a 404 [09:34] MooDoo: not bad, alittle tired, but i have some plans. and you? [09:34] So my first ssh session opened the tunnel using "ssh -L 80:gb.archive.ubuntu.com:80 root@mydomain" [09:35] brobostigon: same but ok :D [09:35] MooDoo: :) [09:35] then a new ssh session to the same box i point gb.archiv... to 127.0.0.1 === seeker_ is now known as seeker [09:38] TheAshMan: yup, so try telnet localhost 80 [09:39] then type random stuff and hit return, should get a 501 error page in html including the line

Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at archive.ubuntu.com Port 80

[09:39] yup :) [09:39] cool, the tunnel is working then [09:39] now try telnet gb.archive.ubuntu.com 80, should get the same result [09:41] ah, apparently its not the same [09:41] fix your hosts file entry then [09:41] looks like the phpinfo() from the server i ssh'd into [09:42] Do I need to change local hosts file or remote? [09:42] the one you did the telneting on [09:42] I need to point gb.archive.. to localhost? [09:43] yes [09:43] thats already done [09:43] ping it [09:43] 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.057 ms [09:44] that was the result of ping gb.archive.ubuntu.com ? [09:44] mhm [09:46] Morning all [09:46] morning diplo [10:00] Hi, I am still trying to get used to Unity, but I really dont like when the window is maximised, all the drop down menu's etc go into the top panel, is there any way I get it back to ho it used to be ? [10:08] cam amybody help please? [10:08] scoundrel50a: I suspect there isn't inside of unity [10:09] it seems to be one of those core bits of unity's design [10:09] AlanBell: Thanks for all your help earlier. I think I'm just gonna resort to violence in the direction of the windows network sys admin [10:09] so another time where if you want it to behave like vanilla gnome2, you'll have to use gnome 2 [10:09] Oh ok, that is a shame....thank you any way [10:14] scoundrel50a: Have a google around for "removing ubuntu global menu" might give you something [10:14] Hey...how do I restore the default key-bindings of Unity? [10:15] as it seems to continue to use what I used on 10.10 which doesn't work on 11.04 too well [10:15] Unity --reset doesn't seem to do the trick by the way. [10:15] im, sorry to be thick, but what is super, I am seeing it mentioned in conjunction with pressing say f to search? [10:15] scoundrel50a, it's the Win-key [10:15] scoundrel50a: it's the windows key [10:16] JGJones: You mean the "Fail"-key surely :p [10:16] daubers and BigRedS: thank you, [10:16] daubers, the naming scheme is a fail indeed....it's even used on the official Ubuntu keyboard you can buy in the store(!) [10:16] I know :( [10:17] I'm pretty pleased that with unity we've finally got a use for that key by default [10:17] it's as if for the past ten years Linux has been pretending it's not there. OTOH, it means I now do need to check before setting up win+something key combinations [10:18] ok, that is strange, I have an Acer Aspire One that came with :Linux Lite, so mby the looks of thigns, has no Super Key, is there another option? [10:18] scoundrel50a: Between the ctrl and alt keys on the bottom left hand row [10:18] I'm now running 110.4 on it, [10:18] Aye...although the key-binding's a tad messed up for me as I'm not using the defaults for Unity, and can't figure out how to restore to default for some reason (no I haven't dyed my hair blonde yet) [10:19] ah, it has a house on it, and just pressed it and got what I needed, thank you. [10:19] scoundrel50a, I'm jealous of your keyboard. [10:20] I thought not having a windows key was normal *licks his mac* [10:22] heh...however I really do not like those Apple keyboards... [10:22] JGJones: I quite like it, but I am still getting used to the Fn function keys.... [10:24] daubers: removing ubuntu global menu, is thatadding the drop down menus back to the windows itself.....just need to make sure [10:27] scoundrel50a, just a thought - why not just try using it for a week? [10:28] Take time to get used to - but the main advantage - just flick the mouse up to the top and you're in the menu - no precision skills needed ;-) [10:29] or flick to the top, and 2 foot to the left for the two monitor people [10:31] JGJones: unless you're using focus-follows-mouse and don't habitually full-screen everything... [10:32] Bah, two monitors is just plainly excessive - I suggest you just chuck out that 2nd monitor. (goes to make space on desk)...say...where do you live? [10:32] JGJones: hi, I have been trying to use it for quite a while, and just cant get used to it. I started using this when it was the Netbook remix, and I'm still finding it hard to get used to. [10:33] Does anybody know if the backlight problem has been fixed in the upgrade to 11.04? [10:33] which backlight problem? [10:33] best bet is to check on the bug, really [10:33] if there's a fix, it'll be noted there [10:34] I t happened on installation, once installed, there is no backlight. Its odd, I have a relatively new Acer Aspire which wont upgrade to 11.04 becasue of the back lihgt, but it works on my crappy Acer Aspire One [10:36] I havent heard anything back, since the day 11.04 came out a couple of weeks ago. [10:37] scoundrel50a: bug number? [10:38] I had ubuntu installed, then apt-get indtalled kubuntu-desktop. Now I want to keep KDE but remove gnome/unity. How do I do it? if I apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop, it only removes that meta-pkg not all its deps too :\ [10:38] bug 759194 ? [10:38] Error: Launchpad bug 759194 could not be found [10:39] that number does look familiar [10:39] wintellect: apt-get uninstall ubuntu-desktop ; apt-get autoremove ? [10:39] or are they not even marked for removal [10:39] ? [10:40] BigRedS: cool, will try that tonight [10:40] sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntu-desktop^ [10:40] ok, cool [10:40] just trying to get to a kubuntu desktop [10:40] and remove stuff I don't use/want [10:40] bug 759104 [10:40] Launchpad bug 759104 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[gm45] Upgrade to Natty wont load" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759104 [10:42] seems to be a dub of bug #693273 [10:42] Launchpad bug 693273 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[gm45] Ubuntu boots into blank screen (dup-of: 759104)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693273 [10:42] Launchpad bug 759104 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[gm45] Upgrade to Natty wont load" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/759104 [10:43] iot says it has a high priority, how soon could that be fixed then? [10:44] no idea. [10:44] you could ask in #ubuntu-x [10:44] less time than the average low priority? ;) [10:45] and make sure you mention the bug number [10:45] but even though it's high priority, there dont seem to be many people affected [10:46] ok, I will try there, thanks [10:55] what? when did dillo drop out of the repos? [11:01] hasn't been around since hardy by the look of it [11:03] Aloha [11:04] Ah, that was rhetorical but that's a long time for me to have not noticed... [11:05] morning all [11:05] * davmor2 prods czajkowski [11:06] people actually use dillo? [11:06] morning davmor2 [11:06] I use it for sites with broken CSS [11:06] 'cause ISTR it mostly ignores CSS [11:07] is there anybody around in #ubuntu-x? [11:07] dunno, I am not in there [11:07] you might need to wait patiently for a response [11:07] some of the people will be US citizens so not awake right now [11:07] BigRedS: it is mostly quiet, and the americans are all tucked up in bed still [11:09] at least the lucky Americans are :-/ [11:09] MooDoo: Morning Chap ow am ya [11:09] morning Pendulum [11:09] AlanBell: That was for scoundrel50a ? :) [11:09] davmor2: cracking although i might be ill as i've not prodded czajkowski today [11:09] BigRedS: it was, silly me [11:12] hi AlanBell [11:15] davmor2: hi [11:17] Oh right, didnt realise it was uS based....will leave it open. Hopefully will find an answer. Thanks. [11:18] Urgh. Why are customers a pain in the bum [11:18] well it is global, like most team channels [11:20] czajkowski: hi that sounds so formal coming from you? [11:20] davmor2: you too eh ;) [11:20] davmor2: she needs a prodding ... [11:22] MooDoo: I refer my colleague to the aforementioned prods to the Personage know as czajkowski at 11.05 this very morn [11:24] davmor2: i stand corrected sir ;) [11:30] wish it wasn't quite so humid :( [11:31] gord: buy a dehumidifying air con [11:32] no, i don't need more things imn [11:32] in my house that go "hmmmmmmm" [11:32] i want to make my computer quieter [11:32] you know when you boot a desktop PC and you hear a fan go really fast then slow down [11:32] popey: get a mac [11:32] :D [11:32] thats the CPU usually isnt it? [11:32] I want to find something that's noisier :/ [11:32] dogmatic69: I have two [11:33] i.e. not PSU or case fans [11:33] popey, http://www.ebuyer.com/product/177411 - get rid of the case fans, only use this [11:33] when the hdd spins down in this, it's completely silent. sat in my room last night, and realised that's the first time in years I haven't had a background whirrr [11:33] shauno: you can get my pc... sounds like a fing jet engine warming up [11:33] ooo whats that!? [11:33] i have SSD in my desktop now so no hard disk noise [11:33] its just fans [11:34] popey, its water cooling for your cpu, it connects to a radiator on a case fan, but the case fan doesn't need need to go very fast honestly so it never gets loud [11:34] my laptop doesn't seem to do much with the fans unless I'm putting any load on it (or the gpu ..) [11:34] i got a ~150mm fan on the side plus about 4 others [11:34] i have one, i have three other fans, *they* are loud, the one for the cpu is never loud [11:34] the moment I do keep the gpu busy tho, you could stick wheels on it and watch it go [11:34] s/150/300 [11:34] * AlanBell has new business cards [11:35] also nice that it keeps my quad core i7 at 30 degrees even when building stuff :) [11:39] gord: so the round bit goes on the cpu, the square bit goes on a fan? [11:40] popey, yup, you just have to make sure your case fans are the right size for it to fit [11:40] i have a fan on the front of the case blowing in [11:40] and one on the back blowing out [11:40] i guess the one on the back as that's nearest the cpu [11:41] gord: also will it fit on my c2d? [11:43] popey, its not cpu specific, its socket specific, so LGA1156 LGA 1155 LGA775 LGA1366 AM2 and AM3 [11:43] if you have one of those, you are good to go [11:44] * popey checks [11:44] PLGA775 [11:44] http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27251 [11:45] i have that cpu overclocked to 3.2GHz I think [11:45] 3.1GHz [12:02] bought a sony vaio c series laptop, but after two weeks it still hasn't arrived. Guy, at the other end of the line gave me attitude and told me to take my business elsewhere; just coz I'm getting impatient. Pretty rude I thought, but will look elsewhere now. [12:03] i would guess that works okay popey, not sure what the P means though =\ [12:04] livingdaylight: who did you buy it from? [12:04] * popey expects livingdaylight to say "Laptops Direct" [12:04] Sony on tottenham court road, London [12:04] ah [12:04] what you gonna run on it? [12:05] he put it down to the fact that there was a bank holiday monday and that they had "construct" as if from scratch? [12:06] popey, I 'd like a dual-boot system; but definitely, (unfortunately) also need it to run windows [12:06] sigh I really really really hate red tape, having to call a dozen different departments etc just to find out one thing. [12:07] john lewis was selling hp dm4; its a 14" and nice looking and good battery life, but don't know [12:07] popey, I read the negative thread about Laptops Direct, lol [12:08] maybe its just as well, and Sony's customer services dept certainly has much to learn, but it was a really nice spec. [12:11] not sure I'd buy sony [12:11] well, I know I wouldn't [12:13] get a thinkpad [12:14] it had a new generation i5 (sandbridge processor) 500 gb hd, 512 dedicated Radeon graphics card, backlit keyboard, 14" (nice and compact) 4gb ram. Only downside was that battery life is only a couple hrs or so... [12:15] ali1234, at £650 it was already more than my budget really... think pads are even more... [12:16] popey, you buy Apples; to me they're even more evil than Sony. Sure they're nice machines, but also twice as expensive than most any other machine [12:17] at least apple knows how to run a webserver [12:17] * imexil finds it strange that with the previous update of Skype for linux it only took canonical one day to push the new version to the repo. Now it's already 4 days since the announcement and no 2.2.035 in sight :( [12:17] it's in the partner repo isn't it? that means skype does it [12:18] with apple, I basically got old and boring. I discovered I'm willing to pay for nice now [12:18] like shoes. if I'm gonna spend inhuman amounts of time using it, false economy to buy cheap shoes [12:19] Really, so canonical is just providing the upload space but skype has to provide it. Didn't know that, thanks ali1234 [12:21] shauno, I understand the false-economy principle which is why i was already willing to dig deeper and spend £650, but not all of us can afford £1k + on laptops. Then there also the fact that for the same money one can get more if one is willing to forego the brand which is what one often pays so much for as in the case of Apple [12:22] if you want to avoid false economy the thinkpad is the only laptop you should even consider [12:22] everything else is just garbage with a logo on it [12:22] * AlanBell had a rubbish thinkpad, and I now have a rather nice Samsung [12:22] lol [12:23] mmm, people seem to like Samsungs at the minute [12:23] but nobody does nipples as well as Lenovo [12:23] my lenovo R60e, albeit not a "thinkpad" still built by the same people, completely fell apart. Everything has a lifecycle [12:24] so I installed the deb file of Skype manually, and guess what, they've forgotten to update the version string in "about" ;) [12:24] if it's not a thinkpad it doesn't count [12:24] it's like buying a dell vostro or whatever they're called [12:24] the cheap line [12:24] yeah, thinkpads are very much not the same as the other lenovos [12:25] so, what about the new lenovo L520? not a thinkpad = no good? [12:25] AlanBell, which one? I read good reviews about the R580 I think [12:26] livingdaylight: that's teh general rule I go by :) [12:26] R530 [12:31] do the thinkpad Edge models count as thinkpads? [12:32] like these? http://goo.gl/jwBh6 [12:33] doesn't look like a thinpad [12:33] thinpad? [12:34] it does say thinkpad on it. but you mean the other traditional looking ones [12:34] ah yeah, my mum got one of those [12:34] it doesn't feel like a thinkpad [12:35] its a solid keyboard like you'd expect. They look nice too. But chassis gets uber hot like all lenovos I found. What I couldn't understand is why it doesn't come with a mic jack? [12:36] trust customers to call just as I stir the hornet's nest :/ [12:36] I like them in 13" [12:36] BigRedS, how is your mom getting on with it? [12:37] livingdaylight: she really quite likes it [12:37] but that might be more down to there being a picture of an elephant on it than any other reason [12:37] the battery's a funny shape, though. Almost precludes using it as a laptop [12:37] it sticks down out of the bottom of the laptop at the back, but not for the full width [12:52] livingdaylight: it's not about being evil [12:53] livingdaylight: it's about the quality of the hardware for me [12:53] I've never rated sony computer hardware highly. they make great tellys, or did anyway. [12:53] computers, not so much [12:53] popey, I thought you were making the ethical distinction. [12:54] i put function over ethics usually [12:54] popey, ok, that's clear... [12:55] there's plenty of other things I'd avoid if ethics was the primary driver in my purchasing [12:55] like Coke, Nestle and so on. [12:55] popey: you turned into Jono :) [12:56] * popey shudders [12:56] popey, in that regard i have no idea where Sony are on the spectrum from shite to awesome. I appreciate that Apples make good pieces of kit. Unfortunately, with a price tag to match.. Sony's struck me as a good mid-range laptop? not that I have anything to base that on, which is why I'm asking here. I get that thinkpads are also in the top end of the quality spectrum, but again not affordable at this time [12:56] popey: that was jono reply when asked why he recorded LR on windows/mac [12:57] I got a cheap msi cr620 a few weeks back and had to immediately return that based on the quality. [13:00] livingdaylight: i thought sony was expensive too [13:00] yeah, expensive *and* badly put together [13:01] Bonjour! [13:03] Looks like I'm not missing anything then [13:05] Afternoon all! Has anyone had any experience with the new Nvidia drivers dropping your resolution down to 640x480? I installed perfectly ok from the Live CD (all was fine there) version 10.04 though when I started for the first time, it did some updates, installed the Nvidia drivers and now my resolution is way out (can only see the top left corder of the screen) [13:05] * popey cuddles bigcalm[mob] [13:05] \o/ [13:06] popey: it's good to be missed [13:06] :D [13:07] Time to drive again! Toodles pip [13:18] popey, I think they are generally, yes, which is why i never looked at them before. But the new C series came with second gen. i5 processor, dedicated graphics card and couldn't find anyone else that matched them for spec and price [13:18] *so, far. [13:34] Anyone had the Nvidia issue? [13:36] I've had lots of nvidia issues [13:38] with it changing the resolution after installing the new drivers? [13:38] Mines changed the resolution to some ridiculous setting and I cant seem to change it back [13:39] mandrews: there aren't many issues I haven't had with nvidia cards. Never using those again. [13:40] !nvidia [13:40] For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto [13:41] thanks for that lubotu3 - il have a read through it [13:41] im assuming there will be a simple fix [13:42] sounds like a brave assumptio [13:42] n [13:50] nvidia has changed the default list of resolutions [13:50] so for example i have a 1280x1024 monitor connected through a KVM [13:51] that blocks the DDE signals === carl__ is now known as carl0s- [13:51] on older drivers 1280x1024 was one of the defaults === seeker_ is now known as seeker [13:51] now the defaults are all silly HD 16:9 modes [13:51] so after installing natty that monitor would only go to 1024x768 or 1366x960 or something stupid like that [13:52] luckily i kept my old xorg.conf [13:53] it still beats my ati card though, which has graphical corruption over 1/5 of the screen for no reason at all [13:54] * MartijnVdS loves his Intel i5 *My preciousss* [13:54] it Just Works® [13:54] unless you want to do anything moderately taxing [13:54] ali1234: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTUyOQ [13:54] ali1234: it's getting better :) [13:54] my sandybridge device doesn't really "Just work" [13:55] so much corruption, bad drivers [13:55] um yeah... get back to me when intel graphics can run minecraft at more than 3 fps [13:55] mine runs left4dead 2 at 30fps [13:55] not interested in playing that game [13:56] right, but its a good benchmark, minecraft runs fairly well [13:56] Orange Club milks are addictive. [13:56] that is all [13:57] I just had to use unity's menu to open an app. I agree with most of its detractors. [13:58] unity has started doing this thing where first click on the launcher reveals two firefox windows- 1 browser, 1 download manager- and clicking the browser window does nothing === gaz is now known as Guest87449 [13:59] i think there has been a patch added that makes it try to avoid the download manager window [13:59] because sometimes now, if there's only the dl window open, clicking the launcher does nothing at all [14:00] which is even worse because now i can't even get to it to close it so i can restart firefox [14:00] alt+f2, killall firefox-bin ? [14:00] i don't have time for that [14:01]