| brousch | geez, the crazy stuff people do to get django to run http://www.defuze.org/archives/262-hosting-a-django-application-on-a-cherrypy-server.html | 00:28 |
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| snap-l | Good evening | 02:01 |
| _stink_ | yo | 02:01 |
| rick_h_ | party | 02:02 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/78/detail/ | 02:02 |
| rick_h_ | good to know | 02:02 |
| snap-l | I think this is logging, but not sure. | 02:02 |
| snap-l | Yep, tape is rolling. :) | 02:03 |
| snap-l | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/06/%23ubuntu-us-mi.html#t01:00 <- Logs for the meeting | 02:03 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Are you free? | 02:03 |
| brousch | figures. i was just about to get some actual stuff done ;) | 02:03 |
| rick_h_ | that says monday though | 02:03 |
| snap-l | brousch: We run this channel like a business | 02:03 |
| rick_h_ | oh, damn time conversion | 02:03 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Welcome to UTC | 02:04 |
| snap-l | brousch: As soon as someone gets into the groove, it's meeting time. | 02:04 |
| brousch | ut oh, feerless leader is absent? | 02:06 |
| snap-l | Not sure | 02:06 |
| brousch | snap-l: take command | 02:07 |
| brousch | carpe gregum | 02:07 |
| snap-l | OK, since I'm the only person with a name that rhymes with Greg, I think we'll get started. | 02:07 |
| snap-l | I'm sure he'll have an "oh crap" moment shortly. | 02:08 |
| snap-l | Agenda item #1: We're up for reapproval | 02:08 |
| snap-l | I know greg-g sent out some notices to the mailing list about the re-approval | 02:09 |
| snap-l | He had a section in there on how to help out | 02:09 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports | 02:10 |
| snap-l | We need to have the reports of the various events, so that the loco council knows that we're an active and vibrant team | 02:10 |
| snap-l | Which, we are, but we need to show it. | 02:11 |
| snap-l | So, if you have some spare cycles, please help fill these out | 02:11 |
| brousch | link to call for help https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-mi/2011-May/001412.html | 02:11 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports | 02:11 |
| snap-l | Thanks, brousch | 02:11 |
| snap-l | http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/18/re-approvals-for-o-cycle-rules-and-overview/ | 02:12 |
| snap-l | We need to have our application in before the release of Oneiric | 02:12 |
| snap-l | (onomatopaeia) | 02:12 |
| snap-l | We'll likely need to meet about this next meeting. | 02:12 |
| brousch | how far back are we going? | 02:13 |
| snap-l | Team was last approved in 2007, iirc. | 02:13 |
| brousch | i don't think west existed before 2009 | 02:13 |
| snap-l | So I'd assume everything that's happened between now and then | 02:13 |
| snap-l | brousch: If you'd take charge of putting the formation of the west side, and any events, that would be great. | 02:13 |
| brousch | yep | 02:14 |
| snap-l | Awesome. | 02:14 |
| snap-l | Any questions about the re-approval? | 02:14 |
| snap-l | 3... | 02:14 |
| snap-l | 2.... | 02:14 |
| snap-l | 1...... | 02:14 |
| snap-l | OK, moving on, then | 02:15 |
| snap-l | MUG Meeting on June 14th | 02:15 |
| snap-l | Spoke with Jim McQuillan about this. He'd like to get something up on the MUG site tomorrow at the latest. | 02:15 |
| snap-l | so, what events do we have planned? | 02:15 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I believe you're on the hook for PPAs, correct? | 02:16 |
| brousch | I hope someone else is actually here right now, because I haven't a clue | 02:16 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: yep, I'll have a talk on that ready | 02:16 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Awesome. | 02:16 |
| brousch | ppas, good idea | 02:16 |
| snap-l | Did anyone else have something to talk about for the MUG meeting? | 02:17 |
| rick_h_ | other than that, calling out a bunch of bumms :P | 02:17 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Yeah | 02:17 |
| brousch | wish i could make it for video editing | 02:17 |
| snap-l | Blazeix, widox, waldo323_ ? | 02:17 |
| snap-l | I proposed talking about Natty if we needed some talks | 02:17 |
| snap-l | mostly Unity, though | 02:18 |
| snap-l | Speak now, or get drafted. ;) | 02:18 |
| brousch | audio editing, but i think you did last mug meeting | 02:18 |
| snap-l | brousch: A few meetings ago | 02:18 |
| brousch | a tour of the various spin-offs would be good: kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu studio | 02:19 |
| snap-l | OK, putting greg-g down for explaining why he's the model of a modern major general. | 02:20 |
| snap-l | He'll be singing the entire song, verbatim. ;) | 02:20 |
| snap-l | Reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGWoXDFM64 | 02:21 |
| snap-l | OK, a better question would be who all os going to be at the MUG meeting on June 14th? | 02:22 |
| snap-l | o/ | 02:22 |
| brousch | It feels lonely today | 02:24 |
| snap-l | Yeeah | 02:24 |
| snap-l | Maybe tonight isn't the best night for this? | 02:25 |
| brousch | :( | 02:28 |
| brousch | what's left? | 02:28 |
| snap-l | Last thing on the agenda is decommissioning the Google Calendar. | 02:30 |
| snap-l | And I know Wolfger had a dog in this | 02:30 |
| brousch | rename it the east michigan open source events calendar | 02:30 |
| snap-l | UNfortunately, he's in Germany right now | 02:30 |
| snap-l | That would make sense | 02:31 |
| snap-l | and then use the Ubuntu loco calendar for just loco events. | 02:31 |
| brousch | where's the loco calendar we should subscribe to? | 02:31 |
| snap-l | one sec. | 02:31 |
| brousch | http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical ? | 02:32 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical | 02:32 |
| snap-l | Yep, that's the one | 02:32 |
| snap-l | First off, if anyone has any issues with that calendar, please let us know | 02:33 |
| brousch | ok, i subscribed | 02:33 |
| brousch | i have no idea if anyone else outside of detroiland is actually subscribed to that calendar | 02:34 |
| snap-l | Check with greg-g to see if you have access to create events on that calendar | 02:35 |
| brousch | i can make loco events | 02:35 |
| snap-l | or rather, to get access if you don't have access to create... | 02:35 |
| snap-l | OK | 02:35 |
| snap-l | Anything else? | 02:36 |
| snap-l | I'm going to leave the meeting open, just in case someone else shows up | 02:37 |
| brousch | we need to vote on the punishment for missing the meeting | 02:37 |
| snap-l | heh | 02:41 |
| snap-l | OK, calling the meeting adjourned. | 03:06 |
| snap-l | Thanks everyone for coming out that did come out | 03:06 |
| snap-l | I'm pretty sure we'll be talking about some of these things tomorrow. | 03:07 |
| rick_h_ | night | 03:07 |
| greg-g | my apologies all, I was in a canoe, and it tipped, slowing our return home :/ | 03:26 |
| snap-l | Ouch, sorry to hear that | 03:28 |
| snap-l | You OK? | 03:28 |
| snap-l | I mean, other than the obvious that you're able to be on IRC> :) | 03:29 |
| greg-g | yeah, all good. | 03:29 |
| greg-g | I hate swimming through lake weeds though, I freak out a bit | 03:29 |
| greg-g | :/ | 03:29 |
| greg-g | lemme read the scrollback in a minute | 03:29 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Feeling things between your legs in murky water is always a bit freaky | 03:30 |
| snap-l | even if a minnow is just nibbling at your toes, it feels like you're being eaten alive. | 03:30 |
| greg-g | weeds are the worst, feels like you are being grabbed onto/pulled down | 03:37 |
| * greg-g shudders | 03:37 | |
| greg-g | so yeah, I'll be at MUG | 03:39 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Cool. | 03:39 |
| greg-g | what could i talk about.... any requests? | 03:39 |
| greg-g | other than signing a song | 03:39 |
| greg-g | ;) | 03:39 |
| snap-l | Oh, you're still on the hook for that | 03:40 |
| greg-g | hah | 03:40 |
| snap-l | don't think just because you tipped a canoe means you're scott-free. | 03:40 |
| snap-l | What would you be willing to talk about? | 03:41 |
| snap-l | Governance? | 03:42 |
| snap-l | Figured we could talk a little about what the loco teams do | 03:42 |
| greg-g | hmmm, yeah | 03:42 |
| greg-g | I could do a little "Who we are/what we do/why we do it" | 03:43 |
| snap-l | How we fit in the grand scheme of loco-dom? | 03:43 |
| greg-g | yep yep | 03:44 |
| snap-l | That would be awesome. :) | 03:44 |
| greg-g | cool, I'll work on that :) | 03:45 |
| snap-l | So that's three things | 03:45 |
| snap-l | I'm wondering if we can get some other folks to participate. | 03:46 |
| greg-g | I hope so :/ | 03:47 |
| greg-g | s/hope/hoped/ | 03:47 |
| snap-l | Yeah, no kidding. :) | 03:47 |
| greg-g | ;) | 03:48 |
| snap-l | Well, we can still ask around tomorrow morning | 03:48 |
| greg-g | I hoped Amy's message to the list would have spurred some more response | 03:48 |
| greg-g | yeah, def | 03:48 |
| snap-l | and if something comes up and someone feels the need to help out, we can always fit them in | 03:48 |
| greg-g | poke _stink_ smoser waldo323_ to talk at MUG :) | 03:48 |
| snap-l | I was wondering if we could get JOhn Gruber to talk about Lernid, but I'm not sure he's a loco member. | 03:49 |
| snap-l | John S. Gruber | 03:49 |
| greg-g | he's on the mailing list, but not LP | 03:49 |
| snap-l | hurm | 03:49 |
| greg-g | counts for me :) | 03:49 |
| snap-l | Want to ask him if he'd be interested? | 03:49 |
| snap-l | I see LErnid as being one of those loco-ish things. | 03:50 |
| greg-g | oh, definitely, and yeah, I can | 03:56 |
| snap-l | Awesome. Thank you. | 03:56 |
| greg-g | I'm back to using taskwarrior, so I should remember to do it tomorrow :) | 03:56 |
| snap-l | Heh | 03:56 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| _stink_ | i love to talk at MUG... but Tuesday are simply a no-go for me. | 03:57 |
| _stink_ | er | 03:57 |
| _stink_ | i'd | 03:57 |
| snap-l | _stink_: That's OK, just cancel your previous engagement | 03:57 |
| snap-l | we'll understand | 03:57 |
| _stink_ | shove the kid back up there | 03:57 |
| greg-g | no hard feelings here if you have to cancel on others | 03:57 |
| greg-g | ;) | 03:57 |
| snap-l | They might not, but they're not your real friends. | 03:57 |
| _stink_ | :P | 03:58 |
| greg-g | alright, time for bed | 04:04 |
| greg-g | long day tomorrow | 04:04 |
| greg-g | g'night all! | 04:04 |
| greg-g | and thanks much, snap-l, for taking the reigns | 04:05 |
| snap-l | np, glad I cold help out. | 04:05 |
| greg-g | reins, I guess | 04:05 |
| snap-l | Nah, reign is fine. ;) | 04:05 |
| greg-g | ;) | 04:05 |
| snap-l | king for an hour | 04:05 |
| snap-l | Good night! | 04:11 |
| greg-g | snap-l: you might appreciate this. I cooked up this weekly status report thingy: http://grossmeier.net/taskreports/daily.html | 04:11 |
| rick_h_ | morning party people | 12:14 |
| rick_h_ | so can someone do me a favor and pull the internt plug for the day? | 12:15 |
| rick_h_ | at least until the apple beer goggles fade off | 12:15 |
| greg-g | oh, today is WWDC? | 12:23 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 12:23 |
| greg-g | ugh | 12:23 |
| rick_h_ | and E3 starting | 12:23 |
| greg-g | yep, closing gwibber soon then, I guess | 12:23 |
| rick_h_ | my poor google reader is shaking in a corner | 12:23 |
| greg-g | haha | 12:23 |
| rick_h_ | yea, it's totally unprepared for the flood of "magic" coming its way | 12:24 |
| rick_h_ | man, starting off the day blown away http://www.infoq.com/news/2010/01/rest-api-authentication-schemes | 12:32 |
| rick_h_ | one of those "duh! that's brilliant, and I'd never thought of that" | 12:33 |
| rick_h_ | or maybe I'm just easily impressed on a monday morning | 12:33 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2011/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-of-rest-apis.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+oreilly%2Fnews+%28O%27Reilly+News+and+Commentary%29 | 12:33 |
| rick_h_ | api fun for a monday | 12:33 |
| snap-l | http://adamjury.com/2011/ignite-slides-from-pepcon/ <- A short run-down of a presentation given to the Print and ePublishing 2011 conference. | 13:33 |
| snap-l | If even a handful of publishers get this right, I think it could be remarkable. | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | awesome | 13:35 |
| snap-l | handful that don't already get it, rather. | 13:35 |
| greg-g | that was a good preso, thanks, snap-l | 13:39 |
| brousch | there's the slackjaw greg-g | 13:48 |
| greg-g | brousch: you missed my excuse! | 13:52 |
| greg-g | I was canoeing with Carrie and we, well, uh, tipped, and that kind of slowed down our return back home. | 13:53 |
| brousch | tipped? is that what we're calling it now? | 13:54 |
| greg-g | capsized | 13:54 |
| brousch | at least it was for fun reasons | 13:55 |
| greg-g | yeah, even though I *hate* swimming through lake weeds/lillies. Those things scare the crap out of me. | 13:56 |
| brousch | scare? | 13:56 |
| brousch | i find them unpleasant, but not scary | 13:56 |
| rick_h_ | my wife hates lakes | 13:56 |
| rick_h_ | just for that, "it's slimy OMG!!!!" | 13:56 |
| rick_h_ | ummm, we're not exactly riddled with beaches around here that aren't lakes dear | 13:56 |
| brousch | i'll take a lake over the ocean | 13:57 |
| rick_h_ | oh forget that, love me some ocean | 13:57 |
| brousch | salty, shark-infested, way too big | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | best thing of my cancun trip was getting a snorkel set during a trip | 13:58 |
| rick_h_ | used that stuff all week just swimming off the resort beach | 13:58 |
| brousch | sharks | 13:58 |
| snap-l | Yeah, the lakes you just have perceived dangers (slimy weeds) | 13:59 |
| rick_h_ | though did catch myself out a bit farther than I thought I should be a couple of times | 13:59 |
| greg-g | brousch: yeah, I'm abnormally afraid of it when I swim through it. Freaks the hell out of me. | 13:59 |
| snap-l | the ocean has things like jellyfish | 13:59 |
| rick_h_ | oh mean, I wonder if I still have that picture | 13:59 |
| rick_h_ | I got stung by a little jelly | 13:59 |
| brousch | i am not comfortable around any wild animal that is large enough to kill me | 13:59 |
| brousch | uncivilized | 13:59 |
| greg-g | brousch: I blame it on the fact that I drowned as a kid (in our pool in Texas, when I was around 5, fell with my tricycle into the pool. Heart stopped beating/breathed in water. Luckily mom is a nurse and dad worked in an ER) | 14:00 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: ouch man | 14:00 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That'll do it | 14:00 |
| brousch | greg-g: but that's a pool! | 14:00 |
| snap-l | brousch: That's unadulterated fear | 14:00 |
| snap-l | no child is ready for that. | 14:00 |
| brousch | true | 14:00 |
| greg-g | yeah, and I'm a-ok with pools now, because I can see everything/everyone/the bottom. But lakes kinda freak me out | 14:00 |
| brousch | scarred for life | 14:00 |
| greg-g | yep | 14:01 |
| snap-l | I remember diving into a wave pool without any life preserver | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | that'd suck, I love the water | 14:01 |
| brousch | i was always afraid of giant snapper turtles in our lake | 14:01 |
| snap-l | or tube. | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | I can't imagine being afraid of it | 14:01 |
| greg-g | I hope not to pass the fear on to my kids | 14:01 |
| brousch | greg-g: are you trying to tell us something? | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, we've been taking our little guy to the lake for swim lessons. Awesome to see an 18mo just fearless | 14:01 |
| snap-l | the alternating goung under water / getting a gulp of air before getting duked again was not pleasent. | 14:01 |
| greg-g | snap-l: ugh, that sucks. you feel so powerless | 14:01 |
| greg-g | brousch: well... | 14:02 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: so the dunking last night wasn't fun eh? | 14:02 |
| rick_h_ | was it canoe/kayak? | 14:02 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Yeah, though luckily after a while I could touch bottom | 14:02 |
| snap-l | and eventualy I made it to shallower water | 14:03 |
| greg-g | brb, one sec | 14:03 |
| snap-l | had a splitting headache, though, from all of the adrenaline | 14:03 |
| brousch | my son dislikes lake michigan because the waves are so loud | 14:03 |
| brousch | oh man, i just realized we get to go swimming this year without a diaper or swimmy diaper | 14:03 |
| rick_h_ | woo! | 14:04 |
| jjesse | looking forward to that | 14:04 |
| snap-l | W00t | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | that's the biggest thing, right now I need a sherpa to pack up and go to the beach | 14:04 |
| snap-l | jjesse: You still swim with a diaper? :) | 14:04 |
| jjesse | hahah | 14:04 |
| jjesse | for our little guy | 14:04 |
| jjesse | we got him a suit w/ floaties built into it for vacation | 14:04 |
| rick_h_ | awesome | 14:04 |
| greg-g | back to your question, brousch, yes, we're expecting :) | 14:09 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: canoe | 14:09 |
| brousch | ohmy | 14:09 |
| greg-g | December-ish | 14:09 |
| brousch | congrats! | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | what?! | 14:09 |
| greg-g | thankya :) | 14:09 |
| rick_h_ | what did I miss here? | 14:10 |
| brousch | you missed his subtle hint | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | well that reads like joking | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | for realz greg-g ? | 14:10 |
| greg-g | yep, we're about 13 weeks in | 14:10 |
| rick_h_ | DUDE! congrats! | 14:10 |
| greg-g | thanks! :) | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | man, everyone it these days it seems | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | you kids :P | 14:11 |
| greg-g | we've been slowly telling people | 14:11 |
| greg-g | hah | 14:11 |
| jjesse | congrats greg-g | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: definitely understand. That waiting to make sure all was cool was killer | 14:11 |
| rick_h_ | let me know when you guys want to practice, I'll bring the boy over :P | 14:12 |
| snap-l | greg-g: That's awesome! Congratulations! | 14:13 |
| widox | greg-g: nice, congrats! | 14:14 |
| snap-l | http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg06464.html | 14:15 |
| snap-l | Apparently since the Apache OOo announcement, people are donating much more to the Document Foundation | 14:15 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: that, actually, would be fun | 14:16 |
| greg-g | thanks snap-l widox :) | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | Soon we'll have UH:CHC with BabyHackerSpace | 14:16 |
| greg-g | BbabyHackerSpace! | 14:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | why are we congratulating greg-g? | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | we'll bring in all the kids and let them go | 14:16 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I missed it in the backlog | 14:16 |
| jjesse | ColonelPanic001 they are expecting | 14:17 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001: there's going to be a little-greg running around (well, crawling) in December | 14:17 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'll hold my congrats until it's confirmed he's born with an awesome beard. | 14:17 |
| jjesse | probablly not doing much in decembmer except eating, sleeping and pooping | 14:17 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I kid. Congrats, greg. | 14:17 |
| ColonelPanic001 | (lol "kid") | 14:17 |
| greg-g | jjesse: good point | 14:18 |
| greg-g | ColonelPanic001: thanks buddy | 14:18 |
| brousch | lots and lots of pooping | 14:20 |
| jjesse | can you imagine if the kid comes w/ greg-g beard? | 14:20 |
| jjesse | that would be awesome | 14:21 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm hoping | 14:21 |
| brousch | i had to resent my droid. now it's trying to download 50 programs simultaneously | 14:25 |
| brousch | this won't end well | 14:25 |
| greg-g | so, the old wives tales, and Carrie's mom, who knew Carrie was pregnant before we told her we were trying (and before we knew), says it is a girl | 14:26 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: so I had 3 brothers, dad had 3 sisters | 14:27 |
| rick_h_ | so I thought I was doomed, the rule was I was allowed to call it a "he" until we knew otherwise | 14:27 |
| rick_h_ | everyone make girl jokes through the first several months | 14:27 |
| rick_h_ | ended up a boy :) | 14:27 |
| greg-g | :) | 14:27 |
| rick_h_ | so I say, think happy thoughts, talk to the little guy and let him know he's a he...and hope for the best | 14:27 |
| greg-g | haha | 14:27 |
| rick_h_ | don't know about you, but I don't know how to do girls, my mom wore a dress twice in her life | 14:28 |
| rick_h_ | so I was deathly afraid | 14:28 |
| greg-g | jjesse: oh, man, I missed your congrats, and didn't say thank you. Thanks buddy! | 14:28 |
| brousch | we're gonna need a playpen at the next ubuntu michigan meeting | 14:28 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: hah. I can be ok with them. WHen I was a camp counselor I most lead the girl groups | 14:28 |
| smoser | greg-g, i can talk about something... tomorrow. planning on attending. but dont want to sign up for more than 10-15 minutes. | 14:29 |
| rick_h_ | smoser: that'd rock. I think we're just doing loco hosted lightning talks kind of thing | 14:30 |
| rick_h_ | so that'd be perfect, just eat some time | 14:30 |
| smoser | whats the rest of the meeting ? | 14:30 |
| smoser | is there other stuff ? | 14:30 |
| rick_h_ | no, Ubuntu Loco take over | 14:31 |
| rick_h_ | we're sponsoring the meeting and just presenting from the group, so some natty stuff, I'll cover some PPA stuff | 14:31 |
| rick_h_ | doesn't have to be ubuntu, just the general idea was for the loco to raise the $$ to fund and take over a meeting | 14:32 |
| smoser | yes, i knew that. | 14:32 |
| smoser | i can talk a bit on what Ubuntu Server is doing this cycle. | 14:33 |
| greg-g | smoser: yeah, 10-15 is perfect | 14:34 |
| greg-g | that topic would be great, smoser, thanks | 14:34 |
| snap-l | THank you, smoser | 14:38 |
| snap-l | BTW: it's the 14th, not tomorrow. :) | 14:38 |
| smoser | oh. | 14:39 |
| smoser | wow. | 14:39 |
| smoser | i would have been there otmorrow | 14:39 |
| smoser | :) | 14:39 |
| snap-l | smoser: YOu would have, and we would have missed your talk. ;) | 14:39 |
| snap-l | OTOH, someone else would have had a great talk on Ubuntu Server this cycle | 14:40 |
| snap-l | And I'm sure that the automotive engineers of tomorrow meeting would have been that much better for it | 14:40 |
| smoser | s/great/"great"/ | 14:40 |
| snap-l | (or whatever they have that evening) | 14:40 |
| snap-l | No quotes needed. | 14:40 |
| greg-g | (emailed the Lernid guy about presenting at MUG) | 14:41 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: awesome | 14:42 |
| snap-l | Thanks, greg-g | 14:43 |
| greg-g | thank you, taskwarrior :) | 14:44 |
| snap-l | I'm going to send the MUG board a list of what'll be presented. | 14:45 |
| snap-l | (that which is already confirmed) | 14:45 |
| greg-g | snap-l: I have PPA:rick, Server:Scott, Unity:You, LoCo:Me | 14:47 |
| snap-l | Yep. | 14:47 |
| brousch | no jcastro? but he's our rock star! | 14:49 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.androidcentral.com/using-google-music-manager-ubuntu-made-easy ok that's kind of cool | 14:50 |
| _stink_ | greg-g: congrats!! | 14:52 |
| jcastro | no I am doing washlug this month already! | 14:53 |
| jcastro | I get a bye! | 14:53 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: we had our first case of me getting in trouble for bringing home the boy too dirty: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AvBuA3IBaPnebjWcdSHkuA?feat=directlink | 14:53 |
| rick_h_ | evidently there are limits when she puts the boy in a shite shirt | 14:53 |
| _stink_ | gah, the chance to sit in a huge tire trumps wardrobe | 14:54 |
| _stink_ | rick_h_: so you guys are doing swim lessons? | 14:54 |
| rick_h_ | _stink_: yea, we did them last year and just signed up for this year | 14:55 |
| _stink_ | ah, cool | 14:55 |
| rick_h_ | there's a pub beach just up the street that does them as part of the community program stuff | 14:55 |
| _stink_ | we did that for a 6 week deal - it was ok... the water was friggin' freezing | 14:55 |
| _stink_ | ah nice | 14:56 |
| rick_h_ | yea, we went on mem. day and it was chilly | 14:56 |
| rick_h_ | https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OdUmPhPc_IJGzx6qjcbctw?feat=directlink | 14:56 |
| rick_h_ | but sometimes you don't need to go in the water for fun | 14:57 |
| snap-l | jcastro: No bye. no bye | 14:57 |
| snap-l | you come, give presentation | 14:57 |
| jcastro | how long does it have to be? | 15:01 |
| jcastro | do I have to do unity? | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: is doing unity :P | 15:01 |
| snap-l | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/2ngaXSXdVRipSfzdqvEP/ | 15:01 |
| greg-g | _stink_: thanks, buddy! :) | 15:01 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Yeah, I'll take care of Unity / Natty | 15:01 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: do some ubuntu one stuff, you've been chatting about that recently | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | show off something using the api? | 15:02 |
| snap-l | jcastro: I know you're probably burned out already. | 15:02 |
| jcastro | so what should I do? | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | photo app, etc | 15:02 |
| jcastro | oh, U1 would be good | 15:02 |
| jcastro | yeah | 15:02 |
| jcastro | I can do that | 15:02 |
| jcastro | sign me up for that | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | yea, easy, demo, and can be impressive | 15:02 |
| snap-l | OK, awesome. | 15:02 |
| rick_h_ | and we can try to get some loco renewal points for showing off relevent "talk points" for this cycle :) | 15:03 |
| snap-l | Ubuntu One, Mark 2. ;) | 15:03 |
| greg-g | jcastro: doesn't have to be long, we're looking at 15ish minutes | 15:03 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: heh :) | 15:03 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: we all know we're part marketing arm heh | 15:03 |
| greg-g | 'tis true | 15:03 |
| brousch | snap-l: the mud meeting info on the calendar does not have a location | 15:04 |
| jcastro | it's not marketing, it's enablement! | 15:04 |
| jcastro | :) | 15:04 |
| jcastro | "hello, my name is rick, and today I will be going over vim and window management with vim." | 15:05 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yes, it does | 15:05 |
| snap-l | on the event itself, it does. | 15:05 |
| brousch | hm, must not transfer to the ical | 15:05 |
| snap-l | Unfortunately it's not in ical. | 15:05 |
| snap-l | *sigh* | 15:05 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: come on, I'm doing PPA's and I don't even use them any more so :P | 15:05 |
| snap-l | filing a bug | 15:06 |
| brousch | and no link to the event page | 15:06 |
| jcastro | how's that arch working out? | 15:06 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: sticking with it so far | 15:06 |
| jcastro | it was the buzz of UDS | 15:06 |
| rick_h_ | it's give/take. Enough good I'm going forward | 15:06 |
| jcastro | everytime someone said somethign you didn't like in a session | 15:06 |
| rick_h_ | has it's downside for sure | 15:06 |
| jcastro | you went "that's it, I AM SWITCHING TO ARCH!" | 15:06 |
| rick_h_ | hah, awesome | 15:07 |
| rick_h_ | I just want to be woo'd by my distro :P | 15:07 |
| rick_h_ | Ubuntu doesn't open the door for me any more, it's a stale relationship | 15:07 |
| jcastro | why not debian? | 15:07 |
| jcastro | you feel more debianish to me | 15:07 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: stale is also stable :) | 15:07 |
| greg-g | yeah, that's what I would have thought as well | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | because I need some newer packages I used to get from PPA's | 15:08 |
| greg-g | rick == debian | 15:08 |
| greg-g | ah | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | and so it's a bit trickier to add | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | though debian was a full option if this arch thing blew up | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | I think that's the path, ubuntu->arch->debian->ubuntu | 15:08 |
| rick_h_ | figure I'll be back in 3 releases | 15:08 |
| _stink_ | haha | 15:09 |
| _stink_ | i love that the failure map is already drawn | 15:09 |
| brousch | the meeting ends at 9pm? is that when people go home or when they head out to the afterparty? | 15:09 |
| jcastro | rick_h_: you should flav-style | 15:09 |
| jcastro | LTS only baby | 15:09 |
| jrwren | jcastro: i pulled a pint glass out of my cupboard last night and I realized that you've been married for a year last week. Happy Aniversary. | 15:09 |
| jcastro | jrwren: heh thanks | 15:09 |
| snap-l | https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/793557 | 15:09 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: I was doing that, ran lucid up until my upgrades borked | 15:09 |
| snap-l | Can I get some "Amens" on that link? | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: we go out to 'dinner' after the meeting | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | man, making me launch launchpad ugh | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | ok, "Amen"'d | 15:10 |
| brousch | so you go out to eat at 9pm? | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yes | 15:10 |
| jrwren | snap-l: may the force be with you | 15:11 |
| snap-l | and also with you. | 15:11 |
| greg-g | jcastro: oh dang yeah, happy 1 year! | 15:12 |
| snap-l | greg-g: I missed the taskwarrior report earlier. That's pretty cool. | 15:23 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yeah, basically a script that outputs the stuff into both RST and plain text files, emails the plain texts, and build html pages and copies those to my webspace for me. | 15:29 |
| greg-g | it is pretty specific/hardcoded for me, but it'd be cool to generalize it and share it with others | 15:30 |
| snap-l | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/06/06/1435259/Usenet-With-a-30-Year-Lag | 16:46 |
| snap-l | This looks awesome. Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be keeping up with reality. | 16:47 |
| snap-l | reality = slashdotting. ;) | 16:47 |
| greg-g | snap-l: yeah, I thought that was a neat idea | 16:56 |
| snap-l | Hanging out on twit.tv for their announcements. | 17:01 |
| snap-l | E3, Apple, etc. | 17:01 |
| snap-l | Should be an interesting day. | 17:01 |
| brousch | i'm following a twitter feed that publishes darwin's beagle diary 176 years from when he wrote them | 17:02 |
| snap-l | Heh | 17:02 |
| greg-g | brousch: are they associated with http://twhistory.org/ ? | 17:08 |
| brousch | i don't think so | 17:16 |
| snap-l | I just bought an air filter from Amazon. | 17:23 |
| snap-l | for my car | 17:23 |
| _stink_ | that's not a book. | 17:24 |
| snap-l | because Meijer doesn't stock my filter. | 17:24 |
| snap-l | That is because I am living in the future. | 17:24 |
| jrwren | what kind of car? | 17:24 |
| snap-l | Dodge Caliber | 17:24 |
| jrwren | figures. | 17:25 |
| snap-l | And O'Reilly Auto Parts doesn't carry anything that doesn't start with Honda or Toyota | 17:27 |
| jrwren | Murrays? | 17:30 |
| snap-l | Oreilly bought Murrays | 17:33 |
| jrwren | oh | 17:39 |
| jrwren | napa? | 17:39 |
| snap-l | That's just it... one click, and I don't have to care | 17:40 |
| jrwren | but you have to wait. | 17:41 |
| jrwren | i'm a same day auto maintenance kidn of guy. | 17:41 |
| rick_h_ | is the filter on fire? | 17:41 |
| jrwren | i go buy air filter, oil filter, oil and drive home and change it all. | 17:41 |
| * krondor snap-l reminds me I need a new air filter | 17:42 | |
| krondor | places never have mine either :| | 17:42 |
| jrwren | krondor: what do you drive? | 17:43 |
| snap-l | I'm watching this Call of Duty XBox thing | 17:43 |
| snap-l | and frankly, I don't undertstand the allure of modern warfare games | 17:43 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I am too, but I'm not a fan of driving all over town just to get an air filter. | 17:45 |
| krondor | jrwren: jag x-type | 17:45 |
| snap-l | And I'm not a fan of paying $15 for someone to drop it into my car at the oil change place. | 17:45 |
| jrwren | isn't jag x-type just a fancy taurus? | 17:45 |
| snap-l | ouch | 17:45 |
| krondor | jrwren: no it's a ford modeo | 17:45 |
| krondor | mondeo or whatever | 17:45 |
| jrwren | i'm not a fan of paying the oil change place | 17:46 |
| rick_h_ | I'm not a fan of dealing with disposal, so I pay hte oil change guy | 17:46 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: ++ | 17:46 |
| jrwren | Washtenaw County FTW, I guess. | 17:47 |
| jrwren | just go to AA recycle center and drop it off | 17:47 |
| _stink_ | air filters are well worth doing yourself | 17:47 |
| _stink_ | oil... not so sure. | 17:47 |
| jrwren | oil... I drop Mobil 1 in for about eh same price you pay at a change place. Well worth it to me. | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | I do mobile 1 now, just pay throgh the nose for it | 17:48 |
| jrwren | It doesn't help that oil places always try to scam. | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | yea, always love the wipe blades and such upsel | 17:48 |
| jrwren | their upsell tactics disgust me. | 17:48 |
| rick_h_ | sell | 17:48 |
| snap-l | Yeah, we noticed a bug on your windshield. For $80 we can replace your windshield for you. | 17:49 |
| jrwren | oh, and one time a place trashed my mom's engine. Didn't put the drain plug in well enough... new engine for her. fail. | 17:49 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I had that happen :/ | 17:49 |
| rick_h_ | thankfully they've got insurance | 17:49 |
| krondor | jrwren anyway the mondeo wasn't sold here only EU so i'm not sure if that was why it's not a common filter size | 17:50 |
| snap-l | krondor: That would likely be part of it | 17:51 |
| snap-l | that and I think the Jag X-Type was more common here because of the ludicrous Ford lease deals. | 17:51 |
| krondor | yeah I got a good deal on it 2 years used, drives great and i like the AWD | 17:52 |
| snap-l | What the fuck | 18:10 |
| snap-l | Is everything now going fullscreen? | 18:10 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 18:11 |
| rick_h_ | only you'll be able to tile from time to time :P | 18:11 |
| snap-l | Seriously, we're going back to the DOS era because apparently the windowed environment is too ADD for people. | 18:11 |
| snap-l | Mission Control is what they're calling Spaces now. | 18:11 |
| snap-l | Oh hell no | 18:12 |
| snap-l | No scroll bars. | 18:12 |
| snap-l | I believe 201x is the era where the designers won, and we all get screwed. ;) | 18:13 |
| snap-l | I swear, if the next thing they talk about are TSRs, I'll spit fire. | 18:13 |
| rick_h_ | yea, and 202x is where the doctors get to treat all the finger trauma caused by 10 years of trying to 4 finger cha-cha on your laptop | 18:14 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: ++ | 18:14 |
| rick_h_ | "all you have to do, is find this completely undiscoverable set of methods to input" | 18:14 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's really annoying as hell | 18:14 |
| snap-l | I wonder if they're going to have a little card that you can use, like a "quick reference" | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | ooh, apps should have a "walkthrough" | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | it's so much better than trying to figure it out yourself | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | you can spend hours going through short video clips | 18:15 |
| rick_h_ | on how to use things | 18:15 |
| _stink_ | "the right way" | 18:16 |
| snap-l | https://identi.ca/notice/75568867 | 18:16 |
| snap-l | I'm also not terribly a fan of the page-flip thing (though it's essentially alt-tab) | 18:17 |
| snap-l | (although I'm thinking that I'm a bit of a hypocrite, since keyboard gestures are not discoverable either) | 18:18 |
| snap-l | Apparently Unity is forward thinking. ;) | 18:20 |
| rick_h_ | by 3wk | 18:20 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Watching live.twit.tv | 18:28 |
| snap-l | They're at least engaging. | 18:28 |
| jrwren | meh. | 18:28 |
| snap-l | They had a little bit of the feed until the person tho was feeding got yanked. | 18:29 |
| jrwren | twit.tv is like morning talk show radio. they just talk and talk and talk about nothing. | 18:29 |
| snap-l | Well, they're broadcasters | 18:29 |
| snap-l | though it's not that bad | 18:29 |
| snap-l | you don't have to pay too much attention | 18:29 |
| jrwren | tru | 18:34 |
| snap-l | Man, it's getting a little warm, but I'm loving this breeze. | 18:35 |
| rick_h_ | I was tempted to move outside earlier | 18:36 |
| rick_h_ | that's the downside of the smaller laptop though, giving up a lot of real estate to work outside | 18:36 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 18:38 |
| snap-l | Wondering if I should close up the house, or not | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | when out AC went that was the trick | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | open all the windows over night/first thing inthe morning | 18:38 |
| rick_h_ | and then by 10am close up, shut the shades, etc | 18:39 |
| snap-l | Yeah | 18:39 |
| brousch | my phone is no longer downloading updates. all i get is download unsuccessful for the last 2 weeks. cleared caches, formatted sd card, reinstalled CM 6 rom. no luck | 19:02 |
| brousch | no i can get 1/4 apps to download only if i do it over 3g, not wifi | 19:05 |
| krondor | brousch: which cache? app caches or when you reinstalled rom did you wipe data and dalvik cache? | 19:06 |
| snap-l | brousch: Lovely. | 19:06 |
| brousch | krondor: wiped all caches, data and dalvik | 19:06 |
| krondor | brousch: hmm, are you behind a proxy when on wifi? proxy gives me all kinds of fun issues with android. Doesn't explain the 3/4 on 3g that don't download though I guess.. | 19:07 |
| krondor | maybe an excuse to goto CM7 | 19:08 |
| brousch | i am behind a proxy, but never had problems | 19:08 |
| brousch | but you know what, work and home are both using comcast internet now | 19:08 |
| brousch | could comcast be blocking this? | 19:08 |
| krondor | I would be really surprised if they were, I don't use comcast though ... are you using comcast dns? | 19:10 |
| brousch | hm, yeah | 19:11 |
| brousch | very strange | 19:12 |
| krondor | I'd try using google's dns and check your logcat to see why it says the download fails | 19:13 |
| brousch | logcat? | 19:17 |
| krondor | android has a circular syslog called logcat, you can just run logcat from a shell and get the output, there's apps to track it too or adb | 19:24 |
| brousch | now if only i could install an app ;) | 19:25 |
| brousch | gonna try CM7 | 19:25 |
| brousch | krondor: btw, how is the detroit android group going? | 19:28 |
| brousch | at least rom manager and clockwork mod recovery work for me now | 19:29 |
| krondor | not bad, last meeting had about 9 people. The first two were just kind of unstructured with no topic. looks like the next one will have a topic (setting up the android dev environment(s)) | 19:34 |
| snap-l | Man, I'd like to upgrade to Natty, but I'm not sure what'll break in the process. :) | 19:34 |
| rick_h_ | when/where is this krondor? | 19:35 |
| snap-l | I guess you don't know how deep the water is until you jump in | 19:35 |
| krondor | rick_h_: It's been the 4th tuesday of each month, probably will stay there though there was some discussion of moving it to thursday. It's at i3Detroit in Ferndale so far. | 19:38 |
| brousch | krondor: i'm going to see what mobile monday michigan has to offer before starting the android gr group | 19:39 |
| krondor | i3detroit -- http://bit.ly/kxrqhe | 19:39 |
| krondor | brousch: yeah I saw that link you sent me, had an interesting topic. I need to make it out that way sometime too | 19:39 |
| krondor | stupid corporate proxy. blogspot.com ban was bad enough and now tumblr.com.. yet exploit-db.com is totally fine | 19:46 |
| brousch | krondor: it looks like CM7 is working | 19:48 |
| krondor | nice and now you have CM7 too sounds like a win | 19:48 |
| brousch | strange that 6 would just stop like that | 19:48 |
| brousch | well, i tried cm7 a few months ago and it had some weirdness for me. the camera and flash were out of sync | 19:49 |
| krondor | what phone? | 19:49 |
| brousch | droid1 | 19:52 |
| krondor | I love these password habit breakdowns off of hacks http://www.troyhunt.com/2011/06/brief-sony-password-analysis.html | 20:06 |
| rick_h_ | yea, just frightening isn't it | 20:25 |
| rick_h_ | 99% no non-alphanum | 20:25 |
| rick_h_ | so single best password rule "pick something that's not a-z09 buddy" | 20:25 |
| jrwren | and longer than 10 characters. | 20:29 |
| jrwren | longer than 14 characters if windows is going to hash it | 20:29 |
| jrwren | because... http://www.golubev.com/files/ighashgpu/readme.htm | 20:30 |
| krondor | jrwren:++ rainbowcrack has had a gpu option I'm not sure how that ighashgpu proggie is different/better. I haven't looked at that in a bit, but the pre-built 14 character ntlm hash has been around for awhile now | 20:33 |
| jrwren | ighashgpu isn't even rainbow tables and they are cracking 8char [A-Za-z0-9`~!@#$%^&*()-_=+[]{}\|;',./<>?] paswords in hrs. | 20:35 |
| krondor | ah ok | 20:35 |
| jrwren | just brute force. | 20:35 |
| _stink_ | damn, including special chars | 20:37 |
| jrwren | yup | 20:37 |
| jrwren | GPUs are FAST | 20:37 |
| jrwren | and this is on 1 system with 1 gpu. | 20:37 |
| jrwren | they ahve numbers for 4 GPU | 20:38 |
| jrwren | and imagine a small cluster each node with a couple GPU | 20:38 |
| jrwren | or a larger cluster on EC2 with the GPU nodes. | 20:38 |
| jrwren | you could tear through a huge password file in very short time. | 20:38 |
| _stink_ | so here's a question i suspect is stupid, and if i thought about it would be more obvious, but you guys are smart | 20:38 |
| jrwren | yes, women are beautiful. | 20:39 |
| jrwren | wrong question? oops | 20:39 |
| _stink_ | i need to think about that one more | 20:39 |
| _stink_ | if hashed passwords aren't as safe as i might have thought, what are ways other than a security breach somewhere that hashed passwords would be exposed? | 20:39 |
| _stink_ | that is, if i hear that there is a breack somewhere where i have an account, i need to change all reuses of that password everywhere else *anyway* | 20:40 |
| _stink_ | and i don't really care whether they hashed it or not | 20:40 |
| _stink_ | unless i'm overlooking some other way the hash would be exposed. | 20:40 |
| jrwren | i don't even know what you just said. | 20:40 |
| _stink_ | hmm | 20:40 |
| _stink_ | ok | 20:41 |
| jrwren | salted hashes are still pretty secure AFAIK | 20:41 |
| _stink_ | why do i care whether hashed passwords can be reversed quickly? | 20:41 |
| jrwren | oh, i guess you don't have to care. | 20:41 |
| jrwren | the harder part is still getting the password file | 20:41 |
| _stink_ | right, ok. | 20:41 |
| _stink_ | i'm with you. | 20:41 |
| greg-g | oh, snap-l's not here, but damn, his dents, that sucks | 20:41 |
| krondor | _stink_: if you're going on the premise that you will 'know' the place has been compromised and you will need to change that password everywhere else you re-use it. You don't need to care. | 20:41 |
| krondor | but you're assuming you'll know | 20:42 |
| _stink_ | yeah, i can grant that | 20:42 |
| _stink_ | ultimately the problem with reuse. | 20:42 |
| jrwren | my concern is more as a developer i need to know this crap when i write apps. | 20:43 |
| jrwren | because md5(password) is almost always the wrong thing these days | 20:43 |
| krondor | failed login lockouts need to happen in more places. There are so many things that let you try whatever password over and over again sometimes with a slight delay. | 20:44 |
| jrwren | and actually.. i guess salted passwords are just as vulnerable since its NOT a rainbow attack | 20:44 |
| jrwren | exponential backoff delay has proven to work pretty well. | 20:44 |
| jrwren | i'm not aware of too many compromises that have occurred against such an implementation | 20:44 |
| krondor | definitely it does, I suppose. It just seems better to slam the door in someone's face then tell them try again in 30 seconds. Probably more user issues then legitimately that are annoying though. | 20:45 |
| krondor | I think more of these hacks come from sql injection or 0day whatever then brute force though, but still not an excuse to not countermeasure it | 20:46 |
| krondor | wwdc looks like apple assuming android features (notifications bar, widgets (well that's a bit different), split keyboard). oh well good ideas a good idea *copy/paste* | 20:48 |
| jcastro | OH MY GOD. IF I BUY THE SONG I DONT HAVE TO SYNC ANYTHING? | 20:48 |
| brousch | so what should i do instead of md5(password)? | 20:48 |
| rick_h_ | bcrypt is one way | 20:50 |
| rick_h_ | I do sha256 of a salted password | 20:50 |
| rick_h_ | where each salt is unique per user | 20:50 |
| rick_h_ | but things like login throttling, https for all auth, and account lock outs are important | 20:51 |
| rick_h_ | but annoying at times | 20:51 |
| snap-l | Oh, I am not a happy camper | 20:52 |
| brousch | that's why i prefer a hotel | 20:53 |
| snap-l | Bluetooth: Screwed | 20:53 |
| snap-l | ATI drivers: screwed (won't install) | 20:53 |
| snap-l | my /var/storage directory, which contained things like backups, and my entire, ripped CD collection in FLAC format: erased. | 20:53 |
| brousch | natty loves you | 20:53 |
| brousch | that's odd | 20:54 |
| snap-l | It's bullshit. | 20:54 |
| snap-l | It mounted it, and then figured since it was under /var, it should be completely obliterated | 20:54 |
| greg-g | fucking eh, man, that sucks | 20:55 |
| snap-l | Also not present after upgrade: irssi, postgresql | 20:55 |
| rick_h_ | postgresql gets moved because it does side by side support | 20:55 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure why we offer an upgrade, because frankly it doesn't fucking work. | 20:55 |
| rick_h_ | so it doesn't "upgrade" it should side by side 8 and 9 | 20:55 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: No, it didn't even let me do psql | 20:55 |
| rick_h_ | ah, not sure then | 20:56 |
| rick_h_ | agree though, I never upgrade and my one time trying it with natty ended in fail | 20:56 |
| snap-l | Well, I didn't expect it to mount a drive, only to delete the contents of it | 20:57 |
| jrwren | krondor: you understand "exponential backoff" right? | 20:57 |
| snap-l | But, that does expose a chink in my armor, which is I never backed that up because it was too big | 20:57 |
| rick_h_ | yea, +1 for cloud because I've gotten sick of getting a bigger and bigger drive every year | 20:58 |
| jrwren | brousch: definitely use a salt. and yeah... sha256(saltedpassword) | 20:58 |
| krondor | jrwren: yeah, you're delaying login longer with each failure on some exponential growth curve right | 20:58 |
| rick_h_ | I want to check out bcrypt sometime just because of that work load factor built in | 20:59 |
| snap-l | I love too that "development is completed on Natty", which means "we don't want to hear about your stupid problems". | 20:59 |
| snap-l | And I'm done. | 21:00 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.mindrot.org/projects/py-bcrypt/ | 21:00 |
| rick_h_ | done being angry? or done in another way? | 21:00 |
| krondor | can I go home yet? This day is dragging | 21:00 |
| jrwren | blowfish? | 21:01 |
| rick_h_ | yea, you get to put a 'work' factor into the password gen | 21:01 |
| jrwren | interesting call :) | 21:01 |
| snap-l | Well, I'm going to run the upgrades to see if something might have been fixed along the way | 21:01 |
| snap-l | but if not, I'm dropping back to LTS. | 21:02 |
| snap-l | or maybe something else. I'm not sure | 21:02 |
| snap-l | am rather hurt right now | 21:02 |
| * greg-g hugs snap-l | 21:02 | |
| brousch | so it mounted your drive and then deleted it? | 21:03 |
| _stink_ | there's another topic for MUG! | 21:03 |
| greg-g | there should be some way to get the data back, I mean, it didn't write over it, did it? | 21:03 |
| _stink_ | but really, that totally sucks and i would be livid. | 21:03 |
| greg-g | yeah, ditto | 21:03 |
| snap-l | No, but I'm not sure what condition the data will be in once recovered | 21:03 |
| greg-g | depends | 21:03 |
| snap-l | and yes, it mounted it, and then deleted it | 21:03 |
| greg-g | I mean, some of those data recovery tools aren't too bad | 21:03 |
| snap-l | I'm going to copy off the hidden directory that was on there to another drive | 21:04 |
| snap-l | and then see what I can do to get the data off of it | 21:04 |
| snap-l | Never thought making a hidden directory would save my ass | 21:04 |
| krondor | extundelete may work (assuming it was ext3 or 4) | 21:04 |
| snap-l | it's ext4 | 21:04 |
| snap-l | And that'll teach me to mount something as /var/storage. ;) | 21:05 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I always mount as a subdir in /home/rharding | 21:05 |
| greg-g | alright, ehading home time | 21:06 |
| greg-g | laters | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | even my sdcards and such I manually mount to /home/rharding/tmp | 21:06 |
| snap-l | laterness | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | have fun greg-g, good day for a ride it looks like | 21:06 |
| snap-l | I'd love to know why fglrx isn't working on this machine | 21:06 |
| brousch | i mount stuff in /media or /mnt | 21:06 |
| jrwren | /var/storage was something special? | 21:09 |
| snap-l | it was, and not anymore. | 21:10 |
| brousch | it was his cloud | 21:11 |
| brousch | and a narwhal ate it | 21:12 |
| brousch | and he is left with nappy narwhal farts | 21:12 |
| jrwren | I'm still not clear on how having a /var/SOMETHING mount screwed an upgrade. | 21:18 |
| snap-l | jrwren: It didn't screw up the upgrade, the upgrade deleted the contents of the directory | 21:21 |
| jrwren | how the hell did it do that? | 21:21 |
| jrwren | that sounds super fucked. | 21:21 |
| snap-l | I would love to know, personally. | 21:22 |
| snap-l | What a mess | 21:26 |
| brousch | someone buy snap-l a drink | 21:27 |
| snap-l | And shotwell decided to try and import every graphic on my hard drive | 21:37 |
| snap-l | Not sure why, it just decided to. | 21:38 |
| snap-l | I swear, this versionof Ubuntu is going to drive me to a Mac. | 21:38 |
| snap-l | And Banshee is haging | 21:44 |
| brousch | apple has ubuntuone now | 21:44 |
| brousch | appleone | 21:44 |
| brousch | ut oh | 21:44 |
| krondor | why stream your music when you can push copies of it to all your devices, just make sure you buy that 64 gb iphoneX t house it. | 21:45 |
| brousch | i need to give ampache a try. it has android clients | 21:48 |
| jrwren | apple has had mobile me for years. | 22:48 |
| brousch | but no one uses it | 22:50 |
| jrwren | only mac heads. | 22:50 |
| jrwren | which i suspect will be true of the new stuff too | 22:50 |
| brousch | i'm about 1/3 of the way moved back to linux from osx | 22:50 |
| brousch | has snap-l returned yet? | 22:51 |
| snap-l | Who is the patron saint of lost causes? | 23:14 |
| snap-l | Because I thnk I need an intercession | 23:15 |
| brousch | it is Nay | 23:19 |
| brousch | she is an old nag | 23:20 |
| snap-l | And JoDee just burned three pork chops | 23:21 |
| snap-l | Technology can go fuck itself. | 23:22 |
| greg-g | :( | 23:24 |
| brousch | not good | 23:24 |
| brousch | greg-g: is that what you said when your canoe flipped? | 23:25 |
| greg-g | that was more "oh sh!t!!" | 23:25 |
| greg-g | and then "I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry" | 23:25 |
| greg-g | (yeah, it was my fautl) | 23:25 |
| brousch | and then, "ewewewewewewe" | 23:26 |
| greg-g | yep | 23:27 |
| greg-g | :) | 23:27 |
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