[00:28] geez, the crazy stuff people do to get django to run http://www.defuze.org/archives/262-hosting-a-django-application-on-a-cherrypy-server.html [02:01] Good evening [02:01] <_stink_> yo [02:02] party [02:02] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/78/detail/ [02:02] good to know [02:02] I think this is logging, but not sure. [02:03] Yep, tape is rolling. :) [02:03] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/06/06/%23ubuntu-us-mi.html#t01:00 <- Logs for the meeting [02:03] greg-g: Are you free? [02:03] figures. i was just about to get some actual stuff done ;) [02:03] that says monday though [02:03] brousch: We run this channel like a business [02:03] oh, damn time conversion [02:04] rick_h_: Welcome to UTC [02:04] brousch: As soon as someone gets into the groove, it's meeting time. [02:06] ut oh, feerless leader is absent? [02:06] Not sure [02:07] snap-l: take command [02:07] carpe gregum [02:07] OK, since I'm the only person with a name that rhymes with Greg, I think we'll get started. [02:08] I'm sure he'll have an "oh crap" moment shortly. [02:08] Agenda item #1: We're up for reapproval [02:09] I know greg-g sent out some notices to the mailing list about the re-approval [02:09] He had a section in there on how to help out [02:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports [02:10] We need to have the reports of the various events, so that the loco council knows that we're an active and vibrant team [02:11] Which, we are, but we need to show it. [02:11] So, if you have some spare cycles, please help fill these out [02:11] link to call for help https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-mi/2011-May/001412.html [02:11] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports [02:11] Thanks, brousch [02:12] http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/05/18/re-approvals-for-o-cycle-rules-and-overview/ [02:12] We need to have our application in before the release of Oneiric [02:12] (onomatopaeia) [02:12] We'll likely need to meet about this next meeting. [02:13] how far back are we going? [02:13] Team was last approved in 2007, iirc. [02:13] i don't think west existed before 2009 [02:13] So I'd assume everything that's happened between now and then [02:13] brousch: If you'd take charge of putting the formation of the west side, and any events, that would be great. [02:14] yep [02:14] Awesome. [02:14] Any questions about the re-approval? [02:14] 3... [02:14] 2.... [02:14] 1...... [02:15] OK, moving on, then [02:15] MUG Meeting on June 14th [02:15] Spoke with Jim McQuillan about this. He'd like to get something up on the MUG site tomorrow at the latest. [02:15] so, what events do we have planned? [02:16] rick_h_: I believe you're on the hook for PPAs, correct? [02:16] I hope someone else is actually here right now, because I haven't a clue [02:16] snap-l: yep, I'll have a talk on that ready [02:16] rick_h_: Awesome. [02:16] ppas, good idea [02:17] Did anyone else have something to talk about for the MUG meeting? [02:17] other than that, calling out a bunch of bumms :P [02:17] rick_h_: Yeah [02:17] wish i could make it for video editing [02:17] Blazeix, widox, waldo323_ ? [02:17] I proposed talking about Natty if we needed some talks [02:18] mostly Unity, though [02:18] Speak now, or get drafted. ;) [02:18] audio editing, but i think you did last mug meeting [02:18] brousch: A few meetings ago [02:19] a tour of the various spin-offs would be good: kubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu, edubuntu, ubuntu studio [02:20] OK, putting greg-g down for explaining why he's the model of a modern major general. [02:20] He'll be singing the entire song, verbatim. ;) [02:21] Reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGWoXDFM64 [02:22] OK, a better question would be who all os going to be at the MUG meeting on June 14th? [02:22] o/ [02:24] It feels lonely today [02:24] Yeeah [02:25] Maybe tonight isn't the best night for this? [02:28] :( [02:28] what's left? [02:30] Last thing on the agenda is decommissioning the Google Calendar. [02:30] And I know Wolfger had a dog in this [02:30] rename it the east michigan open source events calendar [02:30] UNfortunately, he's in Germany right now [02:31] That would make sense [02:31] and then use the Ubuntu loco calendar for just loco events. [02:31] where's the loco calendar we should subscribe to? [02:31] one sec. [02:32] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical ? [02:32] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/ical [02:32] Yep, that's the one [02:33] First off, if anyone has any issues with that calendar, please let us know [02:33] ok, i subscribed [02:34] i have no idea if anyone else outside of detroiland is actually subscribed to that calendar [02:35] Check with greg-g to see if you have access to create events on that calendar [02:35] i can make loco events [02:35] or rather, to get access if you don't have access to create... [02:35] OK [02:36] Anything else? [02:37] I'm going to leave the meeting open, just in case someone else shows up [02:37] we need to vote on the punishment for missing the meeting [02:41] heh [03:06] OK, calling the meeting adjourned. [03:06] Thanks everyone for coming out that did come out [03:07] I'm pretty sure we'll be talking about some of these things tomorrow. [03:07] night [03:26] my apologies all, I was in a canoe, and it tipped, slowing our return home :/ [03:28] Ouch, sorry to hear that [03:28] You OK? [03:29] I mean, other than the obvious that you're able to be on IRC> :) [03:29] yeah, all good. [03:29] I hate swimming through lake weeds though, I freak out a bit [03:29] :/ [03:29] lemme read the scrollback in a minute [03:30] greg-g: Feeling things between your legs in murky water is always a bit freaky [03:30] even if a minnow is just nibbling at your toes, it feels like you're being eaten alive. [03:37] weeds are the worst, feels like you are being grabbed onto/pulled down [03:37] * greg-g shudders [03:39] so yeah, I'll be at MUG [03:39] greg-g: Cool. [03:39] what could i talk about.... any requests? [03:39] other than signing a song [03:39] ;) [03:40] Oh, you're still on the hook for that [03:40] hah [03:40] don't think just because you tipped a canoe means you're scott-free. [03:41] What would you be willing to talk about? [03:42] Governance? [03:42] Figured we could talk a little about what the loco teams do [03:42] hmmm, yeah [03:43] I could do a little "Who we are/what we do/why we do it" [03:43] How we fit in the grand scheme of loco-dom? [03:44] yep yep [03:44] That would be awesome. :) [03:45] cool, I'll work on that :) [03:45] So that's three things [03:46] I'm wondering if we can get some other folks to participate. [03:47] I hope so :/ [03:47] s/hope/hoped/ [03:47] Yeah, no kidding. :) [03:48] ;) [03:48] Well, we can still ask around tomorrow morning [03:48] I hoped Amy's message to the list would have spurred some more response [03:48] yeah, def [03:48] and if something comes up and someone feels the need to help out, we can always fit them in [03:48] poke _stink_ smoser waldo323_ to talk at MUG :) [03:49] I was wondering if we could get JOhn Gruber to talk about Lernid, but I'm not sure he's a loco member. [03:49] John S. Gruber [03:49] he's on the mailing list, but not LP [03:49] hurm [03:49] counts for me :) [03:49] Want to ask him if he'd be interested? [03:50] I see LErnid as being one of those loco-ish things. [03:56] oh, definitely, and yeah, I can [03:56] Awesome. Thank you. [03:56] I'm back to using taskwarrior, so I should remember to do it tomorrow :) [03:56] Heh === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [03:57] <_stink_> i love to talk at MUG... but Tuesday are simply a no-go for me. [03:57] <_stink_> er [03:57] <_stink_> i'd [03:57] _stink_: That's OK, just cancel your previous engagement [03:57] we'll understand [03:57] <_stink_> shove the kid back up there [03:57] no hard feelings here if you have to cancel on others [03:57] ;) [03:57] They might not, but they're not your real friends. [03:58] <_stink_> :P [04:04] alright, time for bed [04:04] long day tomorrow [04:04] g'night all! [04:05] and thanks much, snap-l, for taking the reigns [04:05] np, glad I cold help out. [04:05] reins, I guess [04:05] Nah, reign is fine. ;) [04:05] ;) [04:05] king for an hour [04:11] Good night! [04:11] snap-l: you might appreciate this. I cooked up this weekly status report thingy: http://grossmeier.net/taskreports/daily.html [12:14] morning party people [12:15] so can someone do me a favor and pull the internt plug for the day? [12:15] at least until the apple beer goggles fade off [12:23] oh, today is WWDC? [12:23] yea [12:23] ugh [12:23] and E3 starting [12:23] yep, closing gwibber soon then, I guess [12:23] my poor google reader is shaking in a corner [12:23] haha [12:24] yea, it's totally unprepared for the flood of "magic" coming its way [12:32] man, starting off the day blown away http://www.infoq.com/news/2010/01/rest-api-authentication-schemes [12:33] one of those "duh! that's brilliant, and I'd never thought of that" [12:33] or maybe I'm just easily impressed on a monday morning [12:33] snap-l: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2011/06/the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-of-rest-apis.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+oreilly%2Fnews+%28O%27Reilly+News+and+Commentary%29 [12:33] api fun for a monday [13:33] http://adamjury.com/2011/ignite-slides-from-pepcon/ <- A short run-down of a presentation given to the Print and ePublishing 2011 conference. [13:33] If even a handful of publishers get this right, I think it could be remarkable. [13:35] awesome [13:35] handful that don't already get it, rather. [13:39] that was a good preso, thanks, snap-l [13:48] there's the slackjaw greg-g [13:52] brousch: you missed my excuse! [13:53] I was canoeing with Carrie and we, well, uh, tipped, and that kind of slowed down our return back home. [13:54] tipped? is that what we're calling it now? [13:54] capsized [13:55] at least it was for fun reasons [13:56] yeah, even though I *hate* swimming through lake weeds/lillies. Those things scare the crap out of me. [13:56] scare? [13:56] i find them unpleasant, but not scary [13:56] my wife hates lakes [13:56] just for that, "it's slimy OMG!!!!" [13:56] ummm, we're not exactly riddled with beaches around here that aren't lakes dear [13:57] i'll take a lake over the ocean [13:57] oh forget that, love me some ocean [13:58] salty, shark-infested, way too big [13:58] best thing of my cancun trip was getting a snorkel set during a trip [13:58] used that stuff all week just swimming off the resort beach [13:58] sharks [13:59] Yeah, the lakes you just have perceived dangers (slimy weeds) [13:59] though did catch myself out a bit farther than I thought I should be a couple of times [13:59] brousch: yeah, I'm abnormally afraid of it when I swim through it. Freaks the hell out of me. [13:59] the ocean has things like jellyfish [13:59] oh mean, I wonder if I still have that picture [13:59] I got stung by a little jelly [13:59] i am not comfortable around any wild animal that is large enough to kill me [13:59] uncivilized [14:00] brousch: I blame it on the fact that I drowned as a kid (in our pool in Texas, when I was around 5, fell with my tricycle into the pool. Heart stopped beating/breathed in water. Luckily mom is a nurse and dad worked in an ER) [14:00] greg-g: ouch man [14:00] greg-g: That'll do it [14:00] greg-g: but that's a pool! [14:00] brousch: That's unadulterated fear [14:00] no child is ready for that. [14:00] true [14:00] yeah, and I'm a-ok with pools now, because I can see everything/everyone/the bottom. But lakes kinda freak me out [14:00] scarred for life [14:01] yep [14:01] I remember diving into a wave pool without any life preserver [14:01] that'd suck, I love the water [14:01] i was always afraid of giant snapper turtles in our lake [14:01] or tube. [14:01] I can't imagine being afraid of it [14:01] I hope not to pass the fear on to my kids [14:01] greg-g: are you trying to tell us something? [14:01] greg-g: yea, we've been taking our little guy to the lake for swim lessons. Awesome to see an 18mo just fearless [14:01] the alternating goung under water / getting a gulp of air before getting duked again was not pleasent. [14:01] snap-l: ugh, that sucks. you feel so powerless [14:02] brousch: well... [14:02] greg-g: so the dunking last night wasn't fun eh? [14:02] was it canoe/kayak? [14:02] greg-g: Yeah, though luckily after a while I could touch bottom [14:03] and eventualy I made it to shallower water [14:03] brb, one sec [14:03] had a splitting headache, though, from all of the adrenaline [14:03] my son dislikes lake michigan because the waves are so loud [14:03] oh man, i just realized we get to go swimming this year without a diaper or swimmy diaper [14:04] woo! [14:04] looking forward to that [14:04] W00t [14:04] that's the biggest thing, right now I need a sherpa to pack up and go to the beach [14:04] jjesse: You still swim with a diaper? :) [14:04] hahah [14:04] for our little guy [14:04] we got him a suit w/ floaties built into it for vacation [14:04] awesome [14:09] back to your question, brousch, yes, we're expecting :) [14:09] rick_h_: canoe [14:09] ohmy [14:09] December-ish [14:09] congrats! [14:09] what?! [14:09] thankya :) [14:10] what did I miss here? [14:10] you missed his subtle hint [14:10] well that reads like joking [14:10] for realz greg-g ? [14:10] yep, we're about 13 weeks in [14:10] DUDE! congrats! [14:11] thanks! :) [14:11] man, everyone it these days it seems [14:11] you kids :P [14:11] we've been slowly telling people [14:11] hah [14:11] congrats greg-g [14:11] greg-g: definitely understand. That waiting to make sure all was cool was killer [14:12] let me know when you guys want to practice, I'll bring the boy over :P [14:13] greg-g: That's awesome! Congratulations! [14:14] greg-g: nice, congrats! [14:15] http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg06464.html [14:15] Apparently since the Apache OOo announcement, people are donating much more to the Document Foundation [14:16] rick_h_: that, actually, would be fun [14:16] thanks snap-l widox :) [14:16] Soon we'll have UH:CHC with BabyHackerSpace [14:16] BbabyHackerSpace! [14:16] why are we congratulating greg-g? [14:16] we'll bring in all the kids and let them go [14:16] I missed it in the backlog [14:17] ColonelPanic001 they are expecting [14:17] ColonelPanic001: there's going to be a little-greg running around (well, crawling) in December [14:17] I'll hold my congrats until it's confirmed he's born with an awesome beard. [14:17] probablly not doing much in decembmer except eating, sleeping and pooping [14:17] I kid. Congrats, greg. [14:17] (lol "kid") [14:18] jjesse: good point [14:18] ColonelPanic001: thanks buddy [14:20] lots and lots of pooping [14:20] can you imagine if the kid comes w/ greg-g beard? [14:21] that would be awesome [14:21] I'm hoping [14:25] i had to resent my droid. now it's trying to download 50 programs simultaneously [14:25] this won't end well [14:26] so, the old wives tales, and Carrie's mom, who knew Carrie was pregnant before we told her we were trying (and before we knew), says it is a girl [14:27] greg-g: so I had 3 brothers, dad had 3 sisters [14:27] so I thought I was doomed, the rule was I was allowed to call it a "he" until we knew otherwise [14:27] everyone make girl jokes through the first several months [14:27] ended up a boy :) [14:27] :) [14:27] so I say, think happy thoughts, talk to the little guy and let him know he's a he...and hope for the best [14:27] haha [14:28] don't know about you, but I don't know how to do girls, my mom wore a dress twice in her life [14:28] so I was deathly afraid [14:28] jjesse: oh, man, I missed your congrats, and didn't say thank you. Thanks buddy! [14:28] we're gonna need a playpen at the next ubuntu michigan meeting [14:28] rick_h_: hah. I can be ok with them. WHen I was a camp counselor I most lead the girl groups [14:29] greg-g, i can talk about something... tomorrow. planning on attending. but dont want to sign up for more than 10-15 minutes. [14:30] smoser: that'd rock. I think we're just doing loco hosted lightning talks kind of thing [14:30] so that'd be perfect, just eat some time [14:30] whats the rest of the meeting ? [14:30] is there other stuff ? [14:31] no, Ubuntu Loco take over [14:31] we're sponsoring the meeting and just presenting from the group, so some natty stuff, I'll cover some PPA stuff [14:32] doesn't have to be ubuntu, just the general idea was for the loco to raise the $$ to fund and take over a meeting [14:32] yes, i knew that. [14:33] i can talk a bit on what Ubuntu Server is doing this cycle. [14:34] smoser: yeah, 10-15 is perfect [14:34] that topic would be great, smoser, thanks [14:38] THank you, smoser [14:38] BTW: it's the 14th, not tomorrow. :) [14:39] oh. [14:39] wow. [14:39] i would have been there otmorrow [14:39] :) [14:39] smoser: YOu would have, and we would have missed your talk. ;) [14:40] OTOH, someone else would have had a great talk on Ubuntu Server this cycle [14:40] And I'm sure that the automotive engineers of tomorrow meeting would have been that much better for it [14:40] s/great/"great"/ [14:40] (or whatever they have that evening) [14:40] No quotes needed. [14:41] (emailed the Lernid guy about presenting at MUG) [14:42] greg-g: awesome [14:43] Thanks, greg-g [14:44] thank you, taskwarrior :) [14:45] I'm going to send the MUG board a list of what'll be presented. [14:45] (that which is already confirmed) [14:47] snap-l: I have PPA:rick, Server:Scott, Unity:You, LoCo:Me [14:47] Yep. [14:49] no jcastro? but he's our rock star! [14:50] http://www.androidcentral.com/using-google-music-manager-ubuntu-made-easy ok that's kind of cool [14:52] <_stink_> greg-g: congrats!! [14:53] no I am doing washlug this month already! [14:53] I get a bye! [14:53] _stink_: we had our first case of me getting in trouble for bringing home the boy too dirty: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/AvBuA3IBaPnebjWcdSHkuA?feat=directlink [14:53] evidently there are limits when she puts the boy in a shite shirt [14:54] <_stink_> gah, the chance to sit in a huge tire trumps wardrobe [14:54] <_stink_> rick_h_: so you guys are doing swim lessons? [14:55] _stink_: yea, we did them last year and just signed up for this year [14:55] <_stink_> ah, cool [14:55] there's a pub beach just up the street that does them as part of the community program stuff [14:55] <_stink_> we did that for a 6 week deal - it was ok... the water was friggin' freezing [14:56] <_stink_> ah nice [14:56] yea, we went on mem. day and it was chilly [14:56] https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OdUmPhPc_IJGzx6qjcbctw?feat=directlink [14:57] but sometimes you don't need to go in the water for fun [14:57] jcastro: No bye. no bye [14:57] you come, give presentation [15:01] how long does it have to be? [15:01] do I have to do unity? [15:01] snap-l: is doing unity :P [15:01] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/2ngaXSXdVRipSfzdqvEP/ [15:01] _stink_: thanks, buddy! :) [15:01] jcastro: Yeah, I'll take care of Unity / Natty [15:02] jcastro: do some ubuntu one stuff, you've been chatting about that recently [15:02] show off something using the api? [15:02] jcastro: I know you're probably burned out already. [15:02] so what should I do? [15:02] photo app, etc [15:02] oh, U1 would be good [15:02] yeah [15:02] I can do that [15:02] sign me up for that [15:02] yea, easy, demo, and can be impressive [15:02] OK, awesome. [15:03] and we can try to get some loco renewal points for showing off relevent "talk points" for this cycle :) [15:03] Ubuntu One, Mark 2. ;) [15:03] jcastro: doesn't have to be long, we're looking at 15ish minutes [15:03] rick_h_: heh :) [15:03] greg-g: we all know we're part marketing arm heh [15:03] 'tis true [15:04] snap-l: the mud meeting info on the calendar does not have a location [15:04] it's not marketing, it's enablement! [15:04] :) [15:05] "hello, my name is rick, and today I will be going over vim and window management with vim." [15:05] brousch: Yes, it does [15:05] on the event itself, it does. [15:05] hm, must not transfer to the ical [15:05] Unfortunately it's not in ical. [15:05] *sigh* [15:05] jcastro: come on, I'm doing PPA's and I don't even use them any more so :P [15:06] filing a bug [15:06] and no link to the event page [15:06] how's that arch working out? [15:06] jcastro: sticking with it so far [15:06] it was the buzz of UDS [15:06] it's give/take. Enough good I'm going forward [15:06] everytime someone said somethign you didn't like in a session [15:06] has it's downside for sure [15:06] you went "that's it, I AM SWITCHING TO ARCH!" [15:07] hah, awesome [15:07]