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Sarvattwow, hd 6770m is one unhappy camper at the moment, all kinds of crashy in stock natty and compiz doesn't work with edgers06:56
Sarvattwell this is a firepro m5950 in a precision m4600, same GPU though06:57
RAOFHeh.  If only I had such problems :)06:58
Sarvatt240w power brick for it is bigger than a netbook :)07:01
RAOFSorry, *what* ?  That's a 240W power brick for a *laptop* ?07:04
RAOFOr should I say “portable”? :)07:04
Sarvatt10.4lbs with 2 little strips of foam in the box :)07:06
RAOF4.7 kg?  That's pretty heavy.07:07
Sarvattthe laptops only 2.8 of that07:08
Sarvattrest is power brick07:08
tjaalton...07:08
RAOFDoes the laptop not actually have a battery?07:08
RAOF:)07:08
Sarvattit's got the 6 cell option, 2 hours :)07:10
tjaalton"option"..07:10
Sarvattyeah vs the heavier 9 cell for an extra 20 minutes07:10
tjaaltonah07:10
RAOFHow much power does it draw under full load?07:11
Sarvatti'll let ya know tomorrow when it's working again and not 2 am, needs to sit without a battery for another hour or so to be able to power back on after what I did to it :)07:15
RAOFHow have you been mistreating the poor box!07:16
tjaaltonran unity on it, obviously07:16
tjaaltonor tried to07:16
Sarvattthe GPU is only 25W TDP07:25
Sarvattthink they just grabbed a brick from a m6600 and sent that07:25
RAOFWell, at least it can charge the battery under full load!07:28
LLStarkssarvatt, D:07:37
LLStarksi was about to get one07:37
LLStarks*the 6770m07:37
tjaaltonbryceh: I'll merge xorg and drop the drivers that were discussed on the list08:21
tjaaltonfrom -video-all08:21
brycehtjaalton, great08:22
tjaaltonprobably need to drop the doc-building stuff from build-deps, unless they are all in main08:25
tjaaltonwhich I doubt08:25
tjaaltonhum, it's only asciidoc now, and it's in main08:29
brycehtjaalton, btw I trimmed down the arm drivers a while back; if there's other architectures we care enough about, might want to do similarly for them08:35
tjaaltonbryceh: looks like powerpc is supported, I'll check that one too08:39
tjaaltonand i think -vesa is useless on arm?08:40
RAOFThat matches my understanding.08:41
RAOFVESA only works where there's a video bios, and since arm boards don't have bioses…08:42
tjaaltonright08:42
brycehtjaalton, yeah I left it only because I couldn't pin down an absolute, "Yes it's definitely not needed on arm" from anyone, and since it's such a trivially tiny driver just left it08:49
tjaaltonbryceh: indeed it is08:49
LLStarksbryceh. fallback in a nutshell: gnome-panel as manual fallback or automatic for gnome-shell. unity-2d as manual and automatic fallback for unity.08:50
LLStarksaccording to didrocks from ayatna/desktop08:51
LLStarksgnome-shell pulls in all requisite packages.08:51
LLStarksautomatic applies to all 3d-less scenarios. failsafex is our judgment call.08:52
LLStarkshttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-June/003079.html08:53
RAOFI've also replied to that; I think that whatever fallback session would normally kick in is the right thing to use.09:01
brycehtraditionally we've not bothered to fire up a WM at all.  Since we only need to run a single app we just run that as the root application09:11
brycehhowever nothing says we can't revisit that design09:11
brycehthe one trade off is the more things we depend on the less failsafey we become09:12
RAOFYeah.09:12
tjaaltonaren't we mixing two things here? the one fallback is if the hw can't handle full 3d-unity/gnome-shell, the other is where the normal gdm/lightdm startup failed and so we use some defaults09:13
RAOFHm.  We might be able to kill two birds with one stone.09:13
RAOFSince we'd want FailsafeX to *say* it's failsafe, we could pop up, say ‘Failsafe mode ENGAGE!’ and offer a minimal or full session.09:14
tjaaltonso the other fallback is for the system, the other for the user session09:14
brycehtjaalton, yeah two separate things conceptually09:17
RAOFMy conception of FailsafeX is that we want to end up with it kicking in when the recovery boot is activated, right?09:18
brycehin situations where the recovery boot is needed due to a graphics failure, that's correct09:23
brycehgdm/lightdm failing to start X would be another situation (probably rare) where failsafex should be popped up09:24
brycehthere may be one or two other situations where we might want to tie it in09:25
brycehwhere I'm a bit fuzzy is if in the recovery boot should xdiagnose or whatever pop itself up, or just be provided as a clickable icon or some such09:25
tjaalton"clickable icon" sounds like something that needs X :)09:26
tjaaltonhmm forgot that it's not just failsafex09:28
tjaaltona flowchart from grub to unity, covering all the possible scenarios would be nice :)10:05
brycehtjaalton, ...and as soon as you finish drawing it, someone would immediately introduce a change to render it obsolete ;-)10:07
brycehactually, there is a good description of the sequence listed with one of the kernel troubleshooting docs10:07
hyperairSarvatt: meh. X segfaults. =(10:08
hyperairSarvatt: i guess it's to be expected from an ABI-incompatible X.10:08
brycehtjaalton, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/BlankScreen10:10
brycehhm, not much of a flow chart10:11
tjaaltonbryceh: well, one covering the boot-up from X's perspective, that shouldn't change too often :)10:12
scoundrel50aHi, I have a new Acer Aspire 5736Z laptop that I am having problems upgrading to 11.04 on. Have tried upgrading via the Update Manager, fresh install, alternative cd fresh isntall, and I get to reboot and as soon as the screen comes after clicking on the kernal option, the screen goes black, there is no backlight. There is a bug number #759104, has anybody any idea if this will get fixed? I cant upgrade otherwise. Funny thing though, I have10:52
scoundrel50a an Acer Aspire One netbook, and it works ok on there. 10:52
tjaaltonscoundrel50a: try installing 2.6.39-oneiric from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/11:08
scoundrel50aoh hello, just noticed this now. Thank you. Will see how far I get. Can that be installed over the top, or on another partition? 11:19
scoundrel50aOne thing I forgot, I am using 64bit, is there a 64bit version?11:20
tjaaltonhttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.39-oneiric/11:20
tjaaltonyes11:20
tjaaltongrab the amd64.deb and install it11:20
scoundrel50alinux headers, or linux image?11:22
tjaaltonimage11:22
scoundrel50aok, will give it a go, be back soon11:22
scoundrel50athank you11:23
scoundrel50ado I just install as I would a normal .deb package, not done it this way before.11:26
tjaaltondpkg -i ...deb11:26
scoundrel50aok, will give it a try11:27
scoundrel50adaft question I know, but should I close everything down before starting the installation, will be going offline if I do11:29
scoundrel50awill trying logging in again on a different pc11:29
tjaaltonum no11:30
tjaaltonyou can install it from a running session.. then reboot11:30
scoundrel50aok, well, I am about to install11:30
tjaaltonthough if you just have a black screen then you can't install it, right?11:30
scoundrel50ait gets to the end of the installation, I click on the kernal and the screen goes blac11:31
scoundrel50atoo late now its going through it again11:31
scoundrel50aok, installation finished, what do I do now?11:31
scoundrel50areboot?11:32
tjaaltonhow did you install it?11:32
scoundrel50ausing the command you gave, dpkg -i ....deb11:32
scoundrel50aI can see its added an extra kernal11:33
tjaaltonyou said it had a black screen, so I gave you bad advice11:33
scoundrel50aah11:33
scoundrel50awell, as its installed, I will try to boot that up, see if anything has changed, one sec11:33
scoundrel50abrb11:34
scoundrel50ahave another pc so will log in with that one11:34
scoundrel50a_ok,on different oc11:36
scoundrel50a_going to reboot other one now, 11:36
scoundrel50a_rebooting, same thing happened, backlight not working, can just see the log in screen, but can not log in as I cant see curser11:38
scoundrel50a_tried using ctrl+alt+ > not working either11:39
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: "same thing.." that's not the same you described earlier, getting a black screen and nothing else11:40
scoundrel50a_um, sorry, I thought I mentioned the backlight didnt work11:43
tjaaltonso what login screen are you talking about?11:44
tjaaltonand are you saying it hasn't changed with the new kernel11:44
scoundrel50a_the log in box, where it has the logo and choice to pick users, no it hasnt changed, still no backlight11:45
tjaaltonand you installed the .39 kernel when you had booted using the one from maverick?11:46
scoundrel50a_if you check the bug I posted, it should tell you there, and it gives you the xorg and old xorg files11:46
scoundrel50a_no, havent installed fromMaverick since the day 11.04 came out, as I got this same problem11:47
tjaaltonno they don't tell me how you installed the kernel11:47
tjaaltonI'm just trying to make sure you actually are running it11:47
tjaaltonon the bug you said that the way to boot natty was to use the previous kernel (=maverick)11:48
scoundrel50a_yes11:48
scoundrel50a_I could do it that way11:48
scoundrel50a_but it looked like windows 98 on a very old machine11:48
tjaaltonthen you could try the 3.0-rc1 kernel from the same url i gave you11:49
scoundrel50a_ok, need to reboot again11:50
scoundrel50a_how can I uninstall that version? as I dont want loads of kernals showing11:50
tjaaltondpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.39-020639-generic11:51
scoundrel50a_ok,11:51
tjaalton(and it's kernel)11:52
scoundrel50a_oh sorry using a netbook, 10 inch, and got big fingers11:52
scoundrel50a_purging now11:56
scoundrel50a_um, I dont have the url, it went when I rebooted and changed pc, can you give it to me again11:59
tjaaltonhttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.0-rc1-oneiric/12:01
scoundrel50a_ok, will try that one, thank you12:01
scoundrel50a_ok, about to install this version12:03
scoundrel50a_about to reboot12:10
scoundrel50a_exactly the same, once you chosse the kernel, it starts to boot, the backlight turns off, and that is it, 12:12
scoundrel50a_brb, 12:13
scoundrel50a_#12:13
tjaaltonthen it would be nice to get the dmesg output of the broken kernel12:13
tjaaltonattached to the bug12:13
scoundrel50a_how do I do that?12:15
tjaaltoninstall openssh-server on the system, and log in remotely with ssh12:15
scoundrel50a_have to start up, have to tell you, I cant even boot up the rescue bit, that has the same problem, no backlight12:16
scoundrel50a_ok, will see if i can do that12:17
scoundrel50a_ok, I'm on my netbook, on 11.04, my laptop do I need to boot up to the new kernel, the  try to connect from netbook?12:20
tjaaltondo you have ssh-access to the laptop?12:20
scoundrel50a_well openssh-server is installed on both machines12:21
scoundrel50a_how do I connect?12:21
tjaaltonso that the networking works without the user session running..12:21
tjaaltonssh uid@foo12:21
scoundrel50a_ok, not done this before, the uid is the id of the laptop yes? What is foo?12:22
tjaaltonno, username@machinename12:22
tjaaltonor ip instead of the name12:23
scoundrel50a_how do I find out the ip address? and see if both machines are viewable on the network?12:23
tjaaltoni give up12:23
tjaaltonsorry12:24
scoundrel50a_ok, I'm sorry too12:24
tjaaltonupstream might be interested, but they need the dmesg output12:25
tjaaltonthough, you can probably parse it from /var/log/kern.log too12:25
tjaaltonwhich you can get to with the maverick kernel12:26
scoundrel50a_but I cant get that till I can find out if I can get into other machine, thank you anyway,12:26
tjaaltonno, you use the same method to get it as you used to install the test kernels..12:27
scoundrel50a_I'll see if I can work it out, and find out the ip address adn connect12:31
tjaaltoneasier to find the kern.log* which has the information from the bad boot..12:32
scoundrel50a_how do I do that then?12:33
scoundrel50a_oh just saw12:33
scoundrel50a_will go check12:33
scoundrel50a_just rebooting other machine12:34
scoundrel50a_I found kern.log, would you like to see a copy? See if you find out?12:37
tjaaltonare there many of them? kern.log.1 etc12:38
tjaaltonlocate the one that has the info about the 3.0-rc1 kernel12:38
scoundrel50a_kern.log and kern.log.112:39
scoundrel50a_and I think it is just kern.log that shows the kernels you want, shall I pastebin it?12:40
tjaaltonfor instance12:40
tjaaltonyou know the 'pastebinit' command?12:40
tjaaltonneed to install the package first12:41
scoundrel50a_can I do it via ubuntu pastebin it, can copy it12:41
scoundrel50a_give you the url12:41
tjaaltonno, apt-get install pastebinit, then run 'pastebinit /var/log/kern.log'12:42
tjaaltonthen give me the url12:42
scoundrel50a_http://paste.ubuntu.com/619840/ sorry took so long, netbook at its limit12:47
scoundrel50a_brb12:49
tjaaltonyou could try adding 'GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text' to /etc/default/grub, then run update-grub12:53
scoundrel50a_ok, will give it a go, is that done in Maverick?12:55
tjaaltonno, it's a new feature in natty12:55
scoundrel50a_so how do I GET INTO IT THEN?12:56
tjaaltonhuh?12:56
scoundrel50a_oops sorry didnt know I had caps lock on till I sent sorry12:56
tjaaltonyou edit the file, and add that line..12:56
scoundrel50a_ok12:56
tjaaltonthen run update-grub, and reboot12:56
scoundrel50a_ok, do I need to add the inverted commers or leave them out12:59
scoundrel50a_ok, going to reboot into 11.04, after updating13:03
tjaaltoninverted commers?13:04
scoundrel50a_things at beginning and end of text you gave me, dont know what they call them here13:05
scoundrel50a_and left them out, ran update rebooted and nothing13:05
scoundrel50a_backlight turned off again13:05
scoundrel50a_it actually turns off just before the log in page appears, and the drums sound13:06
scoundrel50a_why should it turn the light off13:06
tjaaltoncan you ctrl-alt-F113:07
tjaaltonto change to the virtual console13:07
scoundrel50a_I dont know, tried but no backlight, cant see anything13:07
scoundrel50a_I treid to get into recovery mode, a load of script went up the page, then the screen went black and now I cant see anything13:09
scoundrel50a_something is turning the light off13:09
tjaaltonprobably when the i915 module is loaded13:11
scoundrel50a_is there a way around it? I just tried to log on blind, clicked enter, then entered my password and I get logged in, but no light13:12
scoundrel50a_I have to use the on off button to turn off then13:13
scoundrel50a_it is loading13:13
tjaaltonwhat is?13:13
scoundrel50a_Ubuntu13:13
scoundrel50a_I get the music13:14
scoundrel50a_but black screen13:14
scoundrel50a_the backlight needs to turn on13:14
scoundrel50a_I wish there was a way foryou to see what was happening13:15
scoundrel50a_I honestly think it is as simple as finding out what is turning the backlight off13:15
scoundrel50a_if this little netbook, Acer Aspire One can work on 11.04 I dont understand why my Lsptop which is the same make cant work either13:16
tjaaltonyou can blacklist the i915 kernel module, but you'd have a "crippled" system then13:16
tjaalton"the same make" != "the same hw"13:17
scoundrel50a_but if I have a crippled system that isnt worth using then13:17
tjaaltoni bet the netbook doesn't have intel GM45 on it13:17
tjaaltonthen stick with maverick13:17
scoundrel50a_dont know13:17
tjaaltonor lucid13:17
tjaaltonwhich is lts13:17
scoundrel50a_I think I am going to have to. Its Maverick13:18
scoundrel50a_thank you I really appreciate the help13:18
scoundrel50a_I hope they manage to find out why it keeps turning the backlight off13:18
tjaaltonan upstream bugreport might help..13:19
scoundrel50a_how can I do that?13:19
tjaaltonsign in on bugs.freedesktop.org and file it under xorg, driver/intel13:20
scoundrel50a_ok, not seen that before, will try set up an account an file a report, thank you13:22
tjaaltonactually, use product DRI and component DRM/Intel13:24
scoundrel50a_what version?13:29
scoundrel50a_and should I add an attatchment of anything?13:30
tjaaltonleave the version13:31
tjaaltonyou could boot with adding 'drm.debug=0x02' to the kernel options13:33
ScottKRAOF: Is http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/06/plasma-desktopcs1575.jpg what's supposed to happen when someone reports a bug on xserver-xorg-video-intel?13:34
tjaaltoneither by editing the grub boot entry when selecting the kernel, or add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" in /etc/default/grub13:34
scoundrel50a_tjaalton: ok, will try adding that to the grub file, just finishing the bug report13:36
RAOFScottK: In Natty, or in Oneiric?  It is in natty, because the bugs filed post-release are generally of very low quality.13:36
ScottKIt was natty.13:37
RAOFBryce added that to the apport hook for natty post-release; a lot of the bugs that we get post-release for X *are* support requests, and so aren't well-handled on launchpad.13:38
jcristaua non-question with a question mark and yes/no answers?13:38
ScottKOne of our more technical users was a bit put off by it, but was cool with it once I explained.13:38
ScottKIn fact, there he is now.13:38
* ScottK waves to jussi.13:39
jussiheya ScottK13:39
RAOFjcristau: Hm.  Now that I *read* it more thoroughly, it could do with a bit of a reword :)13:39
ScottKI've started using 'convert to a question' more, but you're right, that doesn't really solve the problem.13:39
RAOFIt went through a couple of revisions; at first it pointed more directly at askubuntu.com, and that resulted in a lot of poor quality questions there :/13:40
ScottKThat sounds like progress at least.13:41
ScottKPoor quality questions in the place for questions beats poor quality questions on the bug tracker.13:41
jussiI think it may be useful to reword the second option to include something like "Im sure its a bug" or something, rather than the only options being that it started after an update or I talked to people already. It doesnt leave much room for "I understand what Im doing, I want to report the bug"13:44
ScottKThe problem is everyone thinks they know what they are doing.13:45
RAOFHeh.13:45
jussiHrm13:46
RAOFI think it could do with a re-wording, and we'll likely do the same thing once 11.10 ships.  Would you consider sending a mail to ubuntu-x?13:47
jussiRAOF: of course I can do that - ubuntu-x@l.u.c? 13:47
RAOFYup.13:48
jussiOk, Ill try send it this afternoon. If you get a chance, please take a look at bug 793487 :) (and scream at me for all the things Ive missed telling you). 13:50
ubot4`Launchpad bug 793487 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu does not shut down when external monitor attached through displayport (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/79348713:50
scoundrel50a_tjaalton: hi I entered a bug, its #3798613:59
jussiRAOF: sent. Hope that isnt too log'sy.13:59
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: ok, now add the drm.debug=0x02 to the kernel options so the kern.log gets debugging info about the state14:03
scoundrel50a_so how do I do that? Would not have a clue14:04
jussibryceh: looks like my message got caught in moderation or rejected. do I need to resend now Im subscribed or can you just accept it? 14:05
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: scroll back..14:07
jussibryceh: never mind, I resent. 14:11
scoundrel50a_tjaaltonnow you lsot me, if I add that to /etc/default/grub how do I add it to the bug report? I have no clue, sorry, I have not entered a bug report before.14:16
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: add it to /etc/default/grub, run update-grub, boot with the bad kernel, then boot with the good one and edit kern.log to only have the bootlog from the bad kernel, attach that to the bugreport...14:18
tjaaltonthat=the edited log14:18
scoundrel50a_ok, I know you are going to kill me when I ask this, but how do I edit kern.log to only have bootlog from bad kernel......as I said this is completely new to me.......I am really sorry. :(14:20
tjaaltonso you have a program you use to edit /etc/default/grub...14:20
tjaaltonnow copy kern.log somewhere and edit it14:20
tjaalton..14:21
tjaaltonit's big, but you'll find the new stuff at the end14:22
tjaaltonor just attach the whole file, but remember to mark it as text/plain14:23
scoundrel50a_ok, added drm.debug=0x02 to /etc/default/grub ran update-grub and got this error /etc/default/grub: 13: drm.debug=0x02: not found.......it wont update now14:25
scoundrel50a_ok, added drm.debug=0x02 to /etc/default/grub ran update-grub and got this error /etc/default/grub: 13: drm.debug=0x02: not found.......it wont update now14:26
scoundrel50a_oh, sorry about that, dont know why it posted twice14:27
tjaaltonyou need to add it inside the double quotes in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""...14:27
scoundrel50a_ohhh14:27
scoundrel50a_updating now,14:29
scoundrel50a_ok done that, now I have opened the kern.log what do I add, to the log?14:31
tjaaltonnot add, delete the stuff that aren't interesting14:34
tjaaltonwhich kernel did you boot?14:35
scoundrel50a_the broken one, now i am booting the old one, Maverick14:35
tjaaltonwhich broken one, natty or 3.0-rc114:36
tjaalton?14:36
scoundrel50a_I see what you mean about editing, if I can work out what we need14:36
tjaaltonso you can skip everything else, just take what was generated by the previous boot, and why not the current one that's with the known good kernel14:37
tjaalton+also14:38
scoundrel50a_I dont have natty, I only have 3.0-rc1 I am looking through now, but cant work out when it started from booting to 3.0-rc1, I found something that talks about backlight, trying to look through14:40
tjaaltonsure you do14:41
tjaaltoncheck the timestamps14:41
tjaaltonand the version string14:42
scoundrel50a_even found something about status failed, timestamps are what I found14:42
hyperair /aw14:43
hyperairoops14:43
tjaalton"Linux version 3.0.0-0300rc1-generic", search for that14:43
scoundrel50a_ok, completely lost, can I give you the file in pastebin, so you edit it? I honestly dont know what I am looking for.14:44
tjaaltonno14:44
tjaaltonif you can't edit it, then attach the whole file as text/plain mimetype14:45
scoundrel50a_I think I will have to do that, as I cant see what I am looking for......14:46
tjaaltonyou can't search for a string?14:46
tjaaltonwhat editor are you using?14:46
scoundrel50a_sorry I havent got back to you, trying to add the file, but getting an error saying its too big, even though I set it to plain text.....have to pastebin it, by the looks of things.14:53
tjaaltonit won't stay there forever14:54
scoundrel50a_Its times like this I wish I was younger and went to college to learn about computers14:55
tjaaltonor buy machines that are certified ;)14:55
scoundrel50a_kern.log added, edited, but not sure if it is in the right place15:06
scoundrel50a_added the kern.log as attachment15:06
tjaaltonyeah, looks good15:09
scoundrel50a_ok, I have to say, that was the most difficult thign i have done in ages, I love Ubuntu, but sometimes it is really confusing using it and the things associated with it. 15:10
scoundrel50a_Thank you for your help, I really appreciate it15:10
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: can you see a blinking cursor or the "ubuntu" splash-screen when the machine is booting up, and does the backlight turn off right when the login screen appears?15:27
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: also, you could try editing /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf, and add a line that says "blacklist acer_wmi", then try booting the 3.0-rc1 kernel15:32
tjaaltoncould be that it's conflicting with the i915 graphics module, both fighting for the acpi backlight control15:33
tjaaltonat least that's something not loaded with the maverick kernel, so maybe blacklisting it will fix the issue15:44
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: I added that to the bug too, update it with what you find out15:49
tjaaltongotta run ->15:49
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scoundrel50a_its booting up now17:24
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: booting up, as in working fine or not?18:07
scoundrel50a_not working18:11
tjaaltonis the latest log with the acer_wmi module blacklisted?18:12
scoundrel50a_yes18:13
scoundrel50a_and still doesnt work18:13
scoundrel50a_no, sorry, just got what you meant, i WILL HAVE TO POST THAT NOW. sORRY18:13
scoundrel50a_sorry about caps18:14
tjaaltonthanks :)18:14
scoundrel50a_on netbook18:14
scoundrel50a_tjaalton: have added the kern.log hope its worked properly18:41
tjaaltonscoundrel50a_: ok, add to the upstream bug that this was with the acer_wmi module blacklisted18:56
bjsniderricotz, have you noticed anything weird about the numlock key in gnome 3? Mine is chaotic. the key needs to be off for the numpad to work, or something20:25
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ricotzbjsnider, havent noticed this, works for me as expected21:13

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