[06:58] <sakhi> morning
[07:01] <superfly> heya sakhi
[07:54] <sakhi> superfly: how is it going?
[07:54] <sakhi> Maaz: forecast Cape Town
[07:54] <Maaz> sakhi: Sunday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 16° C., Sunday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 9° C., Monday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 14° C., Monday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 10° C., Tuesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 17° C., Tuesday Night: Mostly Cloudy. Low: 15° C., Wednesday: Partly Cloudy. High: 17° C., Wednesday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 11° C., Thursday: Partly Cloudy. High: 18° C., Thursday Night: Partly Cloudy. Lo
[07:57] <kbmonkey> morning ubuntu-za
[07:57] <superfly> hey sakhi, cold, but OK
[07:58] <kbmonkey> we need a geeky joke to start this week
[08:01] <kbmonkey> "File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)" :D
[08:29] <Owkkuri> The great thing about TCP jokes is that you always get them.
[08:30] <cocooncrash> the punchline sometimes arrives first. The problem with UDP jokes is that
[08:31]  * kbmonkey keels over!
[08:31] <Kilos> morning superfly and friends of ubuntu
[08:31] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey 
[08:31] <Kilos> wassup
[08:34] <kbmonkey> awe wow those are so funny!
[08:35]  * kbmonkey wi-fives Owkkuri and cocooncrash 
[08:35] <Owkkuri> P
[08:36] <cocooncrash> Maaz: http://twitter.com/#!/mgorven/status/77382856397168641
[08:36] <Maaz> cocooncrash: afernandez: "FTP Joke Incoming - Please see my other Twitter account for the Actual Joke #protolol"
[08:56] <kbmonkey> +1 for #protolol hashtag 
[09:36] <Squirm> hello
[09:37] <Squirm> anyone here know about samba and it's file permissions
[09:47] <kbmonkey> hi squirm
[09:48] <kbmonkey> what about the permissions?
[09:55] <kbmonkey> the samba docs and tuts are huge I only touched on some of them
[10:02] <queery> maaz, coffee on
[10:02]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:06] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery!
[10:07] <Squirm> kbmonkey: well, I want an excel file to have read/write permissions for all users. But as soon as a user edits the file, it changes the file permissions
[10:08] <queery> maaz, ty
[10:08] <Maaz> Enjoy queery
[10:09] <kbmonkey> hello queery 
[10:09] <queery> hi kbmonkey 
[10:10] <kbmonkey> excel, squirm? well excel locks the files you open so only one preson can edit it at a time. 
[10:10] <kbmonkey> that's not a samba issue, that is Excel being neurotic
[10:10] <Squirm> no, no
[10:10] <Squirm> look
[10:11] <Squirm> -rwxrwxrwx 1 shan     users  41472 Jun  1 10:23 Grade 1 - Shan.xls
[10:11] <Squirm> thats what it should like
[10:11] <Squirm> but
[10:11] <Squirm> -rwxr--r-- 1 joanine  users  53760 Jun  6 10:20 Grade 3 - Kirsten.xls
[10:11] <Squirm> thats what it looks like after joanine edits it
[10:11] <kbmonkey> ah
[10:12] <kbmonkey> okay I see
[10:12] <superfly> Squirm: check the umask of files in the config, I think you can set it there somewhere
[10:12] <Squirm> and in smb.conf, I have these
[10:12] <Squirm> 	create mask = ugo=rwx
[10:12] <Squirm> 	directory mask = ugo=rwx
[10:12] <Squirm> 	force group = users
[10:12] <Squirm>         force directory mode = ugo=rwx
[10:12] <Squirm>         force create mode = ugo=rwx
[10:12]  * superfly hasn't used samba in years
[10:13] <Squirm> and it used to be 7777
[10:13] <kbmonkey> yes you need to set the default permission
[10:13] <superfly> Squirm: isn't there a write mask as well?
[10:13] <kbmonkey> usually files keep their permissions. I bet excel is recreating the file which recreates the default ro permission
[10:14] <Squirm> thats why I put create mode
[10:14] <Squirm> and create mask
[10:14] <kbmonkey> try write mask as superfly said
[10:19] <kbmonkey> long shot but try use the 'mask = 0777' format instead of ugo=rwx
[10:21] <Squirm> ok
[10:21] <Squirm> lets see
[10:26] <Squirm> ok
[10:26] <Squirm> new problem
[10:27] <Squirm> the user can't write to the file, if they don't have ownership
[10:27] <Squirm> yet the rw permissions are 0777
[10:27] <Squirm> yet the user Joanine can
[10:27] <Squirm> bleh
[10:27] <kbmonkey> I had the same problem on my HTPC where copying files over the network changed ownership :/
[10:28] <Squirm> it changes ownership, but all users are on users
[10:28] <Squirm> in users*
[10:28] <kbmonkey> I think samba has it's own user (default nobody)
[10:29] <Squirm> I made it force group users
[10:29] <Squirm> as well
[10:29] <kbmonkey> if you restart the smbd service make sure the clients (your pc's) remount the share too
[10:29] <superfly> Squirm: if you force user, doesn't that negate the user themselves?
[10:29] <kbmonkey> to reload the permissions
[10:31] <kbmonkey> so did create mask = 0777 let it write the file at least?
[10:32] <Squirm> no
[10:32] <Squirm> it won't let me write to the file, when the owner is joanine
[10:32] <Squirm> yet the permission are 0777
[10:33] <Squirm> excel just throws, "Access Denied. Contact Administrator"
[10:33] <Squirm> so I chown trish:users
[10:33] <Squirm> aand it works
[10:34] <kbmonkey> is one person editing over the network and another on the pc itself?
[10:34] <superfly> kbmonkey: they can't, they're both Windows users ;-)
[10:35] <kbmonkey> Im not a samba fundi myself ;)
[10:36] <Squirm> its stored on a debian server
[10:36] <kbmonkey> it sounds like each user uses a different samba account 
[10:36] <Squirm> im logged into the server via ssh
[10:36] <Squirm> and each user has a samba account
[10:37] <Squirm> I'm at a school, all the teachers have a username and password to map the network drive, where they have to edit these files
[10:38] <kbmonkey> have a look here squirm http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-set-permissions-to-samba-shares.html
[10:38] <kbmonkey> also shows there adding valid users to a share, that may help
[10:39] <Squirm> I'm sure I set samba to use linux directory permissions
[10:39] <kbmonkey> linux permissions take precedence over samba permissions, that seems to be conflicting
[10:45] <Squirm> I'm really confused
[10:56] <kbmonkey> samba does that to me too squirm :/
[10:57] <kbmonkey> we need samba experts, have you tried their forums and mailing list?
[11:05] <Squirm> but why does it not work, yet all the users are in the group users
[11:05] <Squirm> and the file permission is 0777
[11:05] <Squirm> DIE
[11:12] <kbmonkey> sorry Squirm wish I knew the answer for you!
[11:12] <kbmonkey> googling gives many answers but all variations of the problem and the rest say what you have tried
[11:16] <Squirm> kbmonkey: I think I sorted it out
[11:17] <Squirm> they were in the directory attendance, which ended in the t dir permission. so maybe they could only edit it because they had ownership
[11:17] <Squirm> otherwise because only joanine could change the permissions, it wouldnt work
[11:19] <kbmonkey> :)
[11:20] <Squirm> so I think
[11:20] <Squirm> its done
[11:20]  * Squirm edits the file with joanine
[11:24] <kbmonkey> Im too clear on what you mean by 'directory attendance'?
[13:08] <Squirm2> kbmonkey: the directory, 'attendance'
[13:08] <Squirm2> but it seems the problem has now been sorted
[13:17] <kbmonkey> oh that's good Squirm!
[16:59] <Kilos> Paddy's in jail.  The Guard looks in his cell and see's him hanging by his feet. 
[16:59] <Kilos> "What are you doing?" he asks. 
[16:59] <Kilos> "Hanging myself," Paddy replies. 
[16:59] <Kilos> "It should be round your neck," says the guard. 
[16:59] <Kilos> "I tried that," says Paddy, "but I couldn't breathe." 
[17:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:00]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:04] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[17:04] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[17:38] <Kilos> any grub experts around?
[17:38] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20AOgDE7J
[17:42] <Kilos> i explained my prob and what i have done at the pastebin
[17:49] <superfly> tumbleweed: ping
[17:49] <superfly> Kilos: you only need 1 swap partition between multiple installations
[17:50] <superfly> why do you have 4?
[17:50] <Kilos> superfly, the installations made them on their own
[17:50] <Kilos> i didnt make my own partitions
[17:51] <Kilos> also now there is about 50g of the drive split into the extra installations
[17:52] <Kilos> also i bangerig to delete the swaps and make one just yet
[17:52] <Kilos> if i can remove the last 2 mavericks alongside then i will worry about swap
[17:57] <Kilos> and also is it safe to make the new swap with gparted
[18:01] <Kilos> hehe gparted shows what a mess the drive is in even though its working lekker
[18:01] <Kilos> dunno where to send a screenshot
[18:24] <queery> looking for a job in sciences and stumbled on to this: http://www.pnet.co.za/index.php?s=advert_view&g=3002&x=2187336&i=7007&pop=1
[19:58] <kbmonkey_> I really want a tux logo on my netbook win key
[21:50] <Kilos> night all sleep tight and warm