| ScottL | hi abogani | 12:00 |
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| * ScottL is off towork | 12:02 | |
| ailo | scott-work, I've been having some internet problems. I should be able to connect now. I'm available for discussing the documentation this week. Did you start anything yet? | 13:06 |
| * abogani waves all | 13:07 | |
| scott-work | hi abogani ! | 13:08 |
| scott-work | which kernel should i be looking at for testing? the latest in /broken? | 13:09 |
| scott-work | hi ailo, we missed you yesterday at the meeting, but nevertheless i am glad you seem to have resolve your issues | 13:09 |
| abogani | scott-work: Yeah | 13:09 |
| ailo | scott-work, Yeah. Sorry about that. Haven't read through it yet. I'll have a look at it | 13:10 |
| scott-work | ailo: i am looking forward to working on the documentation. did you want to use the outline i had created before? | 13:10 |
| scott-work | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos | 13:10 |
| scott-work | ailo: it's not a big deal about the meeting, not much came out that (i think) we didn't already know | 13:12 |
| scott-work | except that jorge will not be working on the website any longer on account of life | 13:12 |
| * scott-work learned a lesson from this situation | 13:12 | |
| ailo | scott-work, jorge's dropping out completely? What about implementing his work? | 13:12 |
| scott-work | ailo: i'm not sure how involved he would have been during implementation, but yes practically immediately he will be needed to move on | 13:13 |
| scott-work | he took a job in japan and thought he had several months to prepare, turned out he had less than a month to move apparently | 13:14 |
| ailo | scott-work, I need to load the IntroTutVideos into my RAM :P. Later today I can let you know what I think. Seemed like everyone were really into jorge's work, so it would be a shame if we don't use it. | 13:15 |
| ailo | I read from the logs that it is to be used | 13:17 |
| scott-work | yes, he felt it was quite functional and could still be used | 13:17 |
| scott-work | and it remains a considerable improvement from our current site | 13:18 |
| scott-work | i will email him today or tomorrow about getting the work from him so we can implement it | 13:18 |
| scott-work | by the way, i pulled a few strings and got some help getting my access to our website on canonical's server | 13:18 |
| scott-work | however, this still leaves a huge bottleneck for access | 13:19 |
| scott-work | i will be researching hosting and thinking about our hosting needs | 13:19 |
| * scott-work was concerned about hosting user content, but if they go the vimeo or youtube route we can link those from our website | 13:19 | |
| scott-work | i feel that with the limited access [1] to the canonical servers that if we can find a comparatively inexpensive hosting resource then we should go with hosting the site our own | 13:22 |
| scott-work | my concern is financing the hosting, i personally do not want to be liable for this cost solely out of my own pocket | 13:23 |
| scott-work | it seems that jorge intimated that this wouldn't be a concern so i would like to get his thoughts on this | 13:23 |
| scott-work | cory also apparently had some ideas in this area as well, so i would like to discuss it with him as well | 13:24 |
| scott-work | [1] while i have access, this is not enough, and given how difficult and/or time prohibitive it is to get access, i am finding this option rather difficult | 13:25 |
| ailo | As long as one can update the main site whenever needed, I still think having it hosted under Canonical is the best alternative. | 13:30 |
| scott-work | ailo: let me know when you are ready to talk about the documentation, both identifying the content and the order you wish to work it | 13:39 |
| scott-work | ailo: also, we could decide on splitting the work between us | 13:39 |
| scott-work | sadly, i don't expect anyone else to assist, but i was going to send out an email to the -users and -devel lmailing list anyways | 13:39 |
| falktx | hey guys | 15:22 |
| scott-work | hi falktx | 15:39 |
| scott-work | holstein: thanks for chairing the meeting by the way! | 15:39 |
| holstein | scott-work: o/ | 15:41 |
| holstein | no problem | 15:41 |
| falktx | scott-work: did my us-menu thing got commited? | 15:41 |
| scott-work | falktx: i don't know, but i want to explain a few things to you so you have clear expectations | 15:51 |
| scott-work | falktx: pushing to bzr doesn't get teh package built or in the repos | 15:51 |
| scott-work | falktx: someone (i.e. persia or TheMuso or possibly someone else) has rights to do that currently | 15:52 |
| scott-work | falktx: but also before we do purse doing this i want to make sure we are making the right changes | 15:52 |
| falktx | scott-work: I know, we have to open a bug report first, then make a debdiff, blah ... | 15:52 |
| falktx | scott-work: I can make a patch... ? | 15:53 |
| scott-work | falktx: we don't HAVE to make a bug report, etc | 15:53 |
| scott-work | falktx: The.Muso has regularly made necessary changes, pushed to bzr, then uploaded to the repos without bug reports | 15:53 |
| scott-work | falktx: my immediate concern is that the changes your are proposing are the correct ones | 15:54 |
| scott-work | falktx: is there something i can use to see what is changing? | 15:55 |
| falktx | scott-work: as I said, I can make a patch | 15:55 |
| falktx | give me 5 mins | 15:55 |
| scott-work | falktx: then sure :) i would like the patch then | 15:55 |
| scott-work | holstein: but i still ask that we use the action command when we/someone needs to do something, this way it helps coordination and remind people of tasks that need to be accomplished | 15:58 |
| scott-work | holstein: it will especially be helpful when creating the minutes from the meeting | 15:58 |
| holstein | scott-work: will do | 16:01 |
| holstein | i actually used the action command for the same reason though | 16:01 |
| falktx | scott-work: here: | 16:02 |
| falktx | http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/us-menu_xfce.patch | 16:02 |
| falktx | use wget, firefox has utf-8 issues | 16:02 |
| scott-work | holstein: oh, sorry then ;) i thought you used it in a few places to just announce some items, like new applications | 16:02 |
| holstein | the way that bot works | 16:02 |
| holstein | http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20110605_1202.html | 16:02 |
| holstein | in this log (which we dont really have a policy in place yet anyways) | 16:03 |
| holstein | but, if you dont say 'action' it doesnt show up | 16:03 |
| holstein | i also was doing that to kinda breeze through the topics a bit, and get them counted* | 16:03 |
| holstein | Daviey: ping | 16:03 |
| scott-work | holstein: OOOHHHH, that's nice :) | 16:05 |
| scott-work | holstein: in this case, i wholeheartedly apologize for my ignorance ;) | 16:05 |
| holstein | scott-work: nah, i agree with you | 16:06 |
| holstein | i just went with it for that reason though | 16:06 |
| scott-work | oh falktx, we might also wait for the menu update until we see what cory has, i'm not sure it will affect this but it might | 16:06 |
| holstein | action *should* be just for action items | 16:06 |
| holstein | scott-work: i'll ask daivey about how to get the mootbotuk fucntionality | 16:07 |
| scott-work | yeah, i looked for a [NOTE] command and only saw [IDEA] holstein | 16:07 |
| holstein | im sure its something im not familiar with* | 16:07 |
| holstein | mootbot-uk would spit out .html, and a moin log too | 16:07 |
| holstein | that was VERY helpful, and looked nice, and was paste-able on the wiki's | 16:08 |
| Daviey | holstein: o./ | 16:08 |
| holstein | Daviey: COOL | 16:08 |
| holstein | Daviey: do you have a minute? | 16:08 |
| Daviey | I am indeed. | 16:08 |
| scott-work | lol | 16:08 |
| holstein | hehe | 16:08 |
| scott-work | anythying we can do to make it easier would be great, including getting minutes into the wiki | 16:08 |
| Daviey | holstein: For you, i have 2 mins. | 16:08 |
| holstein | i have a question about the bot from -meeting | 16:08 |
| holstein | http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20110605_1202.html | 16:08 |
| holstein | ^ thats the log i get | 16:08 |
| scott-work | falktx: but i will look at the patch shortly, but i'm at work right now on a windows machine :/ | 16:09 |
| holstein | and i remember from mootbot-uk i was getting some moin? right? | 16:09 |
| holstein | thats really nice and easy | 16:09 |
| holstein | am i just not looking in the right place? | 16:09 |
| Daviey | holstein: yes.. only mootbot-uk has moin output | 16:09 |
| holstein | Daviey: DOOD, thats *so* nice | 16:09 |
| holstein | i cant believe its not in the -meeting bot :/ | 16:09 |
| Daviey | I didn't author the moin output facility, but i'll happily take the praise by proxy. | 16:10 |
| holstein | Daviey: :) | 16:10 |
| holstein | well, that answers my short-term question then | 16:10 |
| Daviey | Handy, because you are out of time :) | 16:10 |
| holstein | Daviey: thanks o/ | 16:11 |
| scott-work | holstein: i'm hoping to go ahead and implement a header like xubuntu does: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 16:16 |
| scott-work | i had played with this before i really would like to do this, maybe make a template that we start new pages with | 16:16 |
| scott-work | also, you notice that if you look at the code for the wiki, it's a reference, the code itself isn't listed on each page | 16:17 |
| scott-work | <<Include(Xubuntu/Toolbox/Menu)>><<Include(Xubuntu/Toolbox/Banner)>> | 16:17 |
| scott-work | that's two of the headers: the larger menu and the smaller banner | 16:17 |
| holstein | i realize that can happen* | 16:17 |
| holstein | in practice though... | 16:17 |
| holstein | im still learning | 16:18 |
| scott-work | lol, why do you keep ending sentences with an asterisk? | 16:18 |
| scott-work | i keep waiting for the explanation at the bottom of the page :) | 16:18 |
| holstein | *reading this message may cause headaches ;) | 16:18 |
| scott-work | LOL | 16:18 |
| holstein | not sure... | 16:18 |
| holstein | its a bad habit* | 16:18 |
| scott-work | hehehe | 16:19 |
| holstein | its part of my using enter for punctuation problem | 16:19 |
| scott-work | i haven't done it yet because i kept thinking about trying to find all the things we might need there without showing too much and not actually doing _anything_ in the process | 16:20 |
| scott-work | oh, that was to be *anything* because i don't think my underscores showed up :/ | 16:20 |
| scott-work | oh, there they are, my bad | 16:20 |
| scott-work | but i realize now that if we get something up there then we can always add or take away from it :P | 16:20 |
| scott-work | as it is, nothing has been done up till this point | 16:21 |
| holstein | scott-work: header-wise? | 16:21 |
| scott-work | ailo: you up to testing abogani new kernel? I should be by this weekend | 16:21 |
| scott-work | holstein: yes | 16:21 |
| scott-work | although i guess that could be an apt description of many things....trying to get it set up perfectly and not actually accomplishing anything for months and months | 16:21 |
| holstein | eh, that could be another thing i could take on though | 16:23 |
| holstein | not too technical | 16:23 |
| scott-work | astraljava: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing | 16:48 |
| scott-work | this is the Xubuntu testing page that i said i would link to you | 16:49 |
| scott-work | linux outlaws published the episode with the xfce interview in it :) | 16:51 |
| scott-work | they used a crappy old picture of me for the show notes :( | 16:51 |
| scott-work | http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/211 | 16:51 |
| scott-work | holstein: don't feel like you have to be the one to do the header thing, i'll help as well | 17:45 |
| falktx | scott-work: oh, US related podcast ? | 18:05 |
| scott-work | falktx: the linux outlaw thing? yeah, i emailed them about ubuntu studio moving over and they wanted to interview about it | 18:07 |
| falktx | cool | 18:09 |
| falktx | scott-work: I see you... | 18:10 |
| scott-work | yeah, lol | 18:12 |
| scott-work | i told fab he choose the scrariest picture i have | 18:12 |
| scott-work | i'm totally cuddly and huggable...really ;) | 18:12 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Thanks, I'm on it! | 18:30 |
| scott-work | astraljava: as some point i'd like for us to put in the wiki the differences and uses of the daily images vs. the published alpha/beta/rc images | 18:31 |
| scott-work | as well | 18:32 |
| scott-work | and maybe even develop some levels of testing | 18:32 |
| scott-work | i.e. level0 might be test the iso, that is, does the iso image install and work | 18:32 |
| scott-work | level1 - system settings, that is, does jackd work because we have the user in the audio group | 18:32 |
| scott-work | level2 - application testing, does that latest version fix a bug | 18:33 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I agree, it should help bring in volunteers, or at the very least help understand what parts have been tested and where we stand in the devel cycle. | 18:33 |
| scott-work | these are just some things floating in my head | 18:33 |
| scott-work | astraljava: oh agree, the better we document how to test then we are more likely to get people who can and will test :) | 18:33 |
| astraljava | scott-work: That's good, all help is more than welcome, as I said, not a real tester. :D | 18:33 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i don't think anyone really is, ailo probably has dug into testing the kernel more than anyone else at this point however | 18:34 |
| astraljava | Right. Well, I shall do some initial preparation, and then we could have some meeting of sort, to go over the stuff and hear about people's ideas for what is missing etc. | 18:36 |
| falktx | cya | 18:56 |
| scott-work | i interviewed with the Linux Outlaws about ubuntu studio in general, and the xfce transition in specific: http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/211 | 21:56 |
| scott-work | i *think* it went pretty well | 21:56 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Coolness! Will listen to the podcast tomorrow. | 22:27 |
| ailo_ | ScottL, Sorry. Been a busy day. Got my internet working well today at least. I saw abogani's build of the new kernel, so I will install and try it. Soon time to start testing it. On the documentation, I'll need another day for it. After a quick look, it looks ok to me. I think I'll be mostly interested in the audio bit concerning system setup, hardware issues and even workflow. I would like to limit the documentation so it d | 22:33 |
| ailo_ | oesn't get too specific with some things. | 22:33 |
| ailo_ | Specific things can be covered in the wiki. It would be nice to have a page with links in alphabetical order to anything related to Ubuntu Studio | 22:37 |
| astraljava | ailo_: I would very much appreciate your advice and views on how to document some of those from testing point of view. | 22:37 |
| astraljava | ailo_: Also a good point, will keep that in mind. | 22:37 |
| ailo_ | astraljava, Documentation on testing? | 22:39 |
| astraljava | ailo_: We were talking about this with Scott, that we want to have quite detailed steps of what things need to be tested in order to provide a solid and functional distribution. | 22:40 |
| astraljava | ailo_: I will be in charge of creating such documentation. Since you have quite a lot of experience in working with these kind of multimedia distributions, your opinions would be greatly valued. | 22:41 |
| ailo_ | astraljava, I suppose I do have some experience from different things that have been a problem in the past concerning multimedia distros, but I haven't worked on a testing procedure myself. I'm sure I can contribute with a few ideas on audio orientated stuff. | 22:45 |
| ailo_ | I know holstein has experience from recording. Ralf on the mail list seems to have some experience on some specific areas like midi | 22:46 |
| ailo_ | I myself am mostly experienced in setting up a system for realtime audio, but I don't use a big variety of software normally. I do have experience with all sorts of software on other systems, like sequencers, daws and wave editors | 22:48 |
| ailo_ | So, I know my way around audio software, just not as much on Linux as on Windows for instance | 22:50 |
| astraljava | ailo_: Sure, well, one part of the testing will be how the system settings can be set, for instance Scott mentioned jackd settings. | 22:51 |
| ailo_ | jackd I do know my way around, so no problem ther3e | 22:52 |
| astraljava | Cool. Well, I will at some point create a base page for the testing stuff, I'll quite possibly borrow heavily from Xubuntu. When I have something in place, I'd like to have a meeting of sort to discuss about that. | 22:53 |
| astraljava | Create test cases, see what needs to be done in order to be confident we have a solid release coming by the end of the devel cycle. | 22:54 |
| ailo_ | From my experience with Natty so far, I think doing more testing with standard stuff like jack / pulseaudio may be a good idea | 22:55 |
| ailo_ | If there is a nice, clean testing procedure that is not too hard to complete, it would be easier to try get more people to do tests | 22:57 |
| ailo_ | So, I'm all for getting some work done on that | 22:58 |
| astraljava | ailo_: Good to hear! Thanks. :) | 23:06 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: Going to strat listene to your interview right now :D | 23:37 |
| rlameiro | 6 AM??????? | 23:38 |
| rlameiro | WTF???? lol | 23:38 |
| astraljava | Fame doesn't look at the clock, you know. :D | 23:39 |
| rlameiro | lol | 23:40 |
| ScottL | rlameiro, 6 am was when the interview started... | 23:42 |
| ScottL | i actually got up a bit earlier than that | 23:43 |
| ScottL | ailo, i'll read this in a bit after i take the dogs outside for their business ;) | 23:43 |
| rlameiro | ScottL: man, if i were a woman I would ask you to marry me :D | 23:43 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Cool! What kind of dogs? | 23:43 |
| astraljava | rlameiro: He's taken. | 23:44 |
| astraljava | rlameiro: If he weren't, I would. | 23:44 |
| astraljava | You're next in line. | 23:44 |
| rlameiro | yeah, I know, but one can try, cant we? | 23:44 |
| ScottL | astraljava, we have two shih tzu's | 23:53 |
| ailo | I usually get to walk a Samojed that likes to lick female pee off the grass. He also likes used raindeer food. Dogs are wonderful animals | 23:55 |
| ScottL | our dogs like to eat either deer or rabbit poop...strange little buggers | 23:55 |
| ailo | ScottL, Are you available tomorrow? I'd like to drop by then. | 23:56 |
| ScottL | ailo, i agree that an index would be nice, i think there is a way to do this if we "tag" each wiki page with a "group" or "subgroup" or we could do it the old fashion and manual way | 23:57 |
| ScottL | ailo, yes i will be at work tomorrow and should be available at almost any time during the day | 23:57 |
| ailo | ScottL, Tagging should be easy enough. Seems like there's a similar system to what is used in wikipedia | 23:57 |
| ScottL | ailo, please work on any part of the documentation that moves you and I will happily work on the rest | 23:57 |
| ailo | Wikipedia uses categories and subcategories | 23:58 |
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