[12:00] <ScottL> hi abogani
[12:02]  * ScottL is off towork
[13:06] <ailo> scott-work, I've been having some internet problems. I should be able to connect now. I'm available for discussing the documentation this week. Did you start anything yet?
[13:07]  * abogani waves all
[13:08] <scott-work> hi abogani !
[13:09] <scott-work> which kernel should i be looking at for testing?  the latest in /broken?
[13:09] <scott-work> hi ailo, we missed you yesterday at the meeting, but nevertheless i am glad you seem to have resolve your issues
[13:09] <abogani> scott-work: Yeah
[13:10] <ailo> scott-work, Yeah. Sorry about that. Haven't read through it yet. I'll have a look at it
[13:10] <scott-work> ailo: i am looking forward to working on the documentation.  did you want to use the outline i had created before?
[13:10] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
[13:12] <scott-work> ailo: it's not a big deal about the meeting, not much came out that (i think) we didn't already know
[13:12] <scott-work> except that jorge will not be working on the website any longer on account of life
[13:12]  * scott-work learned a lesson from this situation
[13:12] <ailo> scott-work, jorge's dropping out completely? What about implementing his work?
[13:13] <scott-work> ailo: i'm not sure how involved he would have been during implementation, but yes practically immediately he will be needed to move on
[13:14] <scott-work> he took a job in japan and thought he had several months to prepare, turned out he had less than a month to move apparently
[13:15] <ailo> scott-work, I need to load the IntroTutVideos into my RAM :P. Later today I can let you know what I think. Seemed like everyone were really into jorge's work, so it would be a shame if we don't use it. 
[13:17] <ailo> I read from the logs that it is to be used
[13:17] <scott-work> yes, he felt it was quite functional and could still be used
[13:18] <scott-work> and it remains a considerable improvement from our current site
[13:18] <scott-work> i will email him today or tomorrow about getting the work from him so we can implement it
[13:18] <scott-work> by the way, i pulled a few strings and got some help getting my access to our website on canonical's server
[13:19] <scott-work> however, this still leaves a huge bottleneck for access
[13:19] <scott-work> i will be researching hosting and thinking about our hosting needs
[13:19]  * scott-work was concerned about hosting user content, but if they go the vimeo or youtube route we can link those from our website
[13:22] <scott-work> i feel that with the limited access [1] to the canonical servers that if we can find a comparatively inexpensive hosting resource then we should go with hosting the site our own
[13:23] <scott-work> my concern is financing the hosting, i personally do not want to be liable for this cost solely out of my own pocket
[13:23] <scott-work> it seems that jorge intimated that this wouldn't be a concern so i would like to get his thoughts on this 
[13:24] <scott-work> cory also apparently had some ideas in this area as well, so i would like to discuss it with him as well
[13:25] <scott-work> [1] while i have access, this is not enough, and given how difficult and/or time prohibitive it is to get access, i am finding this option rather difficult
[13:30] <ailo> As long as one can update the main site whenever needed, I still think having it hosted under Canonical is the best alternative.
[13:39] <scott-work> ailo: let me know when you are ready to talk about the documentation, both identifying the content and the order you wish to work it
[13:39] <scott-work> ailo: also, we could decide on splitting the work between us
[13:39] <scott-work> sadly, i don't expect anyone else to assist, but i was going to send out an email to the -users and -devel lmailing list anyways
[15:22] <falktx> hey guys
[15:39] <scott-work> hi falktx 
[15:39] <scott-work> holstein: thanks for chairing the meeting by the way!
[15:41] <holstein> scott-work: o/
[15:41] <holstein> no problem
[15:41] <falktx> scott-work: did my us-menu thing got commited?
[15:51] <scott-work> falktx: i don't know, but i want to explain a few things to you so you have clear expectations
[15:51] <scott-work> falktx: pushing to bzr doesn't get teh package built or in the repos
[15:52] <scott-work> falktx: someone (i.e. persia or TheMuso or possibly someone else) has rights to do that currently
[15:52] <scott-work> falktx: but also before we do purse doing this i want to make sure we are making the right changes
[15:52] <falktx> scott-work: I know, we have to open a bug report first, then make a debdiff, blah ...
[15:53] <falktx> scott-work: I can make a patch... ?
[15:53] <scott-work> falktx:  we don't HAVE to make a bug report, etc
[15:53] <scott-work> falktx: The.Muso has regularly made necessary changes, pushed to bzr, then uploaded to the repos without bug reports
[15:54] <scott-work> falktx: my immediate concern is that the changes your are proposing are the correct ones
[15:55] <scott-work> falktx: is there something i can use to see what is changing?
[15:55] <falktx> scott-work: as I said, I can make a patch
[15:55] <falktx> give me 5 mins
[15:55] <scott-work> falktx: then sure :)  i would like the patch then
[15:58] <scott-work> holstein: but i still ask that we use the action command when we/someone needs to do something, this way it helps coordination and remind people of tasks that need to be accomplished
[15:58] <scott-work> holstein: it will especially be helpful when creating the minutes from the meeting
[16:01] <holstein> scott-work: will do
[16:01] <holstein> i actually used the action command for the same reason though
[16:02] <falktx> scott-work: here:
[16:02] <falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/us-menu_xfce.patch
[16:02] <falktx> use wget, firefox has utf-8 issues
[16:02] <scott-work> holstein: oh, sorry then ;)  i thought you used it in a few places to just announce some items, like new applications
[16:02] <holstein> the way that bot works
[16:02] <holstein> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20110605_1202.html
[16:03] <holstein> in this log (which we dont really have a policy in place yet anyways)
[16:03] <holstein> but, if you dont say 'action' it doesnt show up
[16:03] <holstein> i also was doing that to kinda breeze through the topics a bit, and get them counted*
[16:03] <holstein> Daviey: ping
[16:05] <scott-work> holstein: OOOHHHH, that's nice :)
[16:05] <scott-work> holstein: in this case, i wholeheartedly apologize for my ignorance ;)
[16:06] <holstein> scott-work: nah, i agree with you
[16:06] <holstein> i just went with it for that reason though
[16:06] <scott-work> oh falktx, we might also wait for the menu update until we see what cory has, i'm not sure it will affect this but it might
[16:06] <holstein> action *should* be just for action items
[16:07] <holstein> scott-work: i'll ask daivey about how to get the mootbotuk fucntionality
[16:07] <scott-work> yeah, i looked for a [NOTE] command and only saw [IDEA] holstein 
[16:07] <holstein> im sure its something im not familiar with*
[16:07] <holstein> mootbot-uk would spit out .html, and a moin log too
[16:08] <holstein> that was VERY helpful, and looked nice, and was paste-able on the wiki's
[16:08] <Daviey> holstein: o./
[16:08] <holstein> Daviey: COOL
[16:08] <holstein> Daviey: do you have a minute?
[16:08] <Daviey> I am indeed.
[16:08] <scott-work> lol
[16:08] <holstein> hehe
[16:08] <scott-work> anythying we can do to make it easier would be great, including getting minutes into the wiki
[16:08] <Daviey> holstein: For you, i have 2 mins.
[16:08] <holstein> i have a question about the bot from -meeting
[16:08] <holstein> http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ubuntu-meeting.20110605_1202.html
[16:08] <holstein> ^ thats the log i get
[16:09] <scott-work> falktx: but i will look at the patch shortly, but i'm at work right now on a windows machine :/
[16:09] <holstein> and i remember from mootbot-uk i was getting some moin? right?
[16:09] <holstein> thats really nice and easy
[16:09] <holstein> am i just not looking in the right place?
[16:09] <Daviey> holstein: yes.. only mootbot-uk has moin output
[16:09] <holstein> Daviey: DOOD, thats *so* nice
[16:09] <holstein> i cant believe its not in the -meeting bot :/
[16:10] <Daviey> I didn't author the moin output facility, but i'll happily take the praise by proxy.
[16:10] <holstein> Daviey: :)
[16:10] <holstein> well, that answers my short-term question then
[16:10] <Daviey> Handy, because you are out of time :)
[16:11] <holstein> Daviey: thanks o/
[16:16] <scott-work> holstein: i'm hoping to go ahead and implement a header like xubuntu does: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[16:16] <scott-work> i had played with this before i really would like to do this, maybe make a template that we start new pages with
[16:17] <scott-work> also, you notice that if you look at the code for the wiki, it's a reference, the code itself isn't listed on each page
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[16:17] <scott-work> that's two of the headers:  the larger menu and the smaller banner
[16:17] <holstein> i realize that can happen*
[16:17] <holstein> in practice though...
[16:18] <holstein> im still learning
[16:18] <scott-work> lol, why do you keep ending sentences with an asterisk?
[16:18] <scott-work> i keep waiting for the explanation at the bottom of the page :)
[16:18] <holstein> *reading this message may cause headaches ;)
[16:18] <scott-work> LOL
[16:18] <holstein> not sure...
[16:18] <holstein> its a bad habit*
[16:19] <scott-work> hehehe
[16:19] <holstein> its part of my using enter for punctuation problem
[16:20] <scott-work> i haven't done it yet because i kept thinking about trying to find all the things we might need there without showing too much and not actually doing _anything_ in the process
[16:20] <scott-work> oh, that was to be *anything* because i don't think my underscores showed up :/
[16:20] <scott-work> oh, there they are, my bad
[16:20] <scott-work> but i realize now that if we get something up there then we can always add or take away from it :P
[16:21] <scott-work> as it is, nothing has been done up till this point
[16:21] <holstein> scott-work: header-wise?
[16:21] <scott-work> ailo: you up to testing abogani new kernel?  I should be by this weekend
[16:21] <scott-work> holstein: yes
[16:21] <scott-work> although i guess that could be an apt description of many things....trying to get it set up perfectly and not actually accomplishing anything for months and months
[16:23] <holstein> eh, that could be another thing i could take on though
[16:23] <holstein> not too technical
[16:48] <scott-work> astraljava: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing
[16:49] <scott-work> this is the Xubuntu testing page that i said i would link to you
[16:51] <scott-work> linux outlaws published the episode with the xfce interview in it :)
[16:51] <scott-work> they used a crappy old picture of me for the show notes :(
[16:51] <scott-work> http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/211
[17:45] <scott-work> holstein: don't feel like you have to be the one to do the header thing, i'll help as well
[18:05] <falktx> scott-work: oh, US related podcast ?
[18:07] <scott-work> falktx: the linux outlaw thing?  yeah, i emailed them about ubuntu studio moving over and they wanted to interview about it
[18:09] <falktx> cool
[18:10] <falktx> scott-work: I see you...
[18:12] <scott-work> yeah, lol
[18:12] <scott-work> i told fab he choose the scrariest picture i have
[18:12] <scott-work> i'm totally cuddly and huggable...really ;)
[18:30] <astraljava> scott-work: Thanks, I'm on it!
[18:31] <scott-work> astraljava: as some point i'd like for us to put in the wiki the differences and uses of the daily images vs. the published alpha/beta/rc images
[18:32] <scott-work> as well
[18:32] <scott-work> and maybe even develop some levels of testing
[18:32] <scott-work> i.e. level0 might be test the iso, that is, does the iso image install and work
[18:32] <scott-work> level1 - system settings, that is, does jackd work because we have the user in the audio group
[18:33] <scott-work> level2 - application testing, does that latest version fix a bug
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: I agree, it should help bring in volunteers, or at the very least help understand what parts have been tested and where we stand in the devel cycle.
[18:33] <scott-work> these are just some things floating in my head
[18:33] <scott-work> astraljava: oh agree, the better we document how to test then we are more likely to get people who can and will test :)
[18:33] <astraljava> scott-work: That's good, all help is more than welcome, as I said, not a real tester. :D
[18:34] <scott-work> astraljava: i don't think anyone really is, ailo probably has dug into testing the kernel more than anyone else at this point however
[18:36] <astraljava> Right. Well, I shall do some initial preparation, and then we could have some meeting of sort, to go over the stuff and hear about people's ideas for what is missing etc.
[18:56] <falktx> cya
[21:56] <scott-work> i interviewed with the Linux Outlaws about ubuntu studio in general, and the xfce transition in specific:  http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/211
[21:56] <scott-work> i *think* it went pretty well
[22:27] <astraljava> ScottL: Coolness! Will listen to the podcast tomorrow.
[22:33] <ailo_> ScottL, Sorry. Been a busy day. Got my internet working well today at least. I saw abogani's build of the new kernel, so I will install and try it. Soon time to start testing it. On the documentation, I'll need another day for it. After a quick look, it looks ok to me. I think I'll be mostly interested in the audio bit concerning system setup, hardware issues and even workflow. I would like to limit the documentation so it d
[22:33] <ailo_> oesn't get too specific with some things.
[22:37] <ailo_> Specific things can be covered in the wiki. It would be nice to have a page with links in alphabetical order to anything related to Ubuntu Studio
[22:37] <astraljava> ailo_: I would very much appreciate your advice and views on how to document some of those from testing point of view.
[22:37] <astraljava> ailo_: Also a good point, will keep that in mind.
[22:39] <ailo_> astraljava, Documentation on testing?
[22:40] <astraljava> ailo_: We were talking about this with Scott, that we want to have quite detailed steps of what things need to be tested in order to provide a solid and functional distribution.
[22:41] <astraljava> ailo_: I will be in charge of creating such documentation. Since you have quite a lot of experience in working with these kind of multimedia distributions, your opinions would be greatly valued.
[22:45] <ailo_> astraljava, I suppose I do have some experience from different things that have been a problem in the past concerning multimedia distros, but I haven't worked on a testing procedure myself. I'm sure I can contribute with a few ideas on audio orientated stuff. 
[22:46] <ailo_> I know holstein has experience from recording. Ralf on the mail list seems to have some experience on some specific areas like midi
[22:48] <ailo_> I myself am mostly experienced in setting up a system for realtime audio, but I don't use a big variety of software normally. I do have experience with all sorts of software on other systems, like sequencers, daws and wave editors
[22:50] <ailo_> So, I know my way around audio software, just not as much on Linux as on Windows for instance
[22:51] <astraljava> ailo_: Sure, well, one part of the testing will be how the system settings can be set, for instance Scott mentioned jackd settings.
[22:52] <ailo_> jackd I do know my way around, so no problem ther3e
[22:53] <astraljava> Cool. Well, I will at some point create a base page for the testing stuff, I'll quite possibly borrow heavily from Xubuntu. When I have something in place, I'd like to have a meeting of sort to discuss about that.
[22:54] <astraljava> Create test cases, see what needs to be done in order to be confident we have a solid release coming by the end of the devel cycle.
[22:55] <ailo_> From my experience with Natty so far, I think doing more testing with standard stuff like jack / pulseaudio may be a good idea
[22:57] <ailo_> If there is a nice, clean testing procedure that is not too hard to complete, it would be easier to try get more people to do tests
[22:58] <ailo_> So, I'm all for getting some work done on that
[23:06] <astraljava> ailo_: Good to hear! Thanks. :)
[23:37] <rlameiro> ScottL: Going to strat listene to your interview right now :D
[23:38] <rlameiro> 6 AM???????
[23:38] <rlameiro> WTF???? lol
[23:39] <astraljava> Fame doesn't look at the clock, you know. :D
[23:40] <rlameiro> lol
[23:42] <ScottL> rlameiro, 6 am was when the interview started...
[23:43] <ScottL> i actually got up a bit earlier than that
[23:43] <ScottL> ailo, i'll read this in a bit after i take the dogs outside for their business ;)
[23:43] <rlameiro> ScottL: man, if i were a woman I would ask you to marry me :D
[23:43] <astraljava> ScottL: Cool! What kind of dogs?
[23:44] <astraljava> rlameiro: He's taken.
[23:44] <astraljava> rlameiro: If he weren't, I would.
[23:44] <astraljava> You're next in line.
[23:44] <rlameiro> yeah, I know, but one can try, cant we?
[23:53] <ScottL> astraljava, we have two shih tzu's
[23:55] <ailo> I usually get to walk a Samojed that likes to lick female pee off the grass. He also likes used raindeer food. Dogs are wonderful animals
[23:55] <ScottL> our dogs like to eat either deer or rabbit poop...strange little buggers
[23:56] <ailo> ScottL, Are you available tomorrow? I'd like to drop by then.
[23:57] <ScottL> ailo, i agree that an index would be nice, i think there is a way to do this if we "tag" each wiki page with a "group" or "subgroup" or we could do it the old fashion and manual way
[23:57] <ScottL> ailo, yes i will be at work tomorrow and should be available at almost any time during the day
[23:57] <ailo> ScottL, Tagging should be easy enough. Seems like there's a similar system to what is used in wikipedia
[23:57] <ScottL> ailo, please work on any part of the documentation that moves you and I will happily work on the rest
[23:58] <ailo> Wikipedia uses categories and subcategories